3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134
Date: 2024-02-07
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Daphne(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_05Venus Vixen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sarah Stock(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Angelique(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Katie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Sarah Ramirez(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:11
IntroVenus Vixen introduces herself as a professional porn actress and OnlyFans creator.
“my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans”
00:08:44
Key MomentSarah Ramirez reveals she has been single her whole life and has only been on one first date.
“I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys”
00:42:12
TopicVenus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist, setting up major capitalism vs communism debate.
“I would say I'm probably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist”
00:45:55
Key MomentJake challenges Venus on communist countries, noting communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.
“communism was responsible for the death of north of a 100 million people in the 20th century”
00:46:12
Key MomentVenus says she lives in a capitalist country so she might as well benefit from it, when challenged on selling content while believing in communism.
“I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could”
00:55:17
IntroAngelique announces she is president of Life Dress, a pro-life nonprofit that hand-paints apparel.
“I am a the president of a nonprofit organization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel”
02:39:39
ControversyDaphne admits to pandering to the audience with her traditional/conservative answers.
“I think that's fair I mean I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this”
02:59:29
Key MomentBody count round reveal: Venus announces ~120 body count (majority from work scenes).
“it's eight four I can give like roundabout sure I 120 120 okay four four eight zero zero zero”
03:59:00
ControversyBrian pulls up Daphne's Instagram reels showing her making out with multiple women and other explicit content, confronting her on claiming to be 'extremely traditional'.
“that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes”
04:01:00
Key MomentDaphne acknowledges her content is not traditional but claims she's growing.
“I wouldn't make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all”
04:05:20
Key MomentBrian offers Daphne a deal: delete OnlyFans and scrub Twitter to prove traditionalism.
“I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your only fans”
04:45:56
ControversyBrian tells Daphne she is not a traditional woman, she is a modern woman, after extended contradiction between her stated values and her content.
“you're a modern woman look I'm not that's fine don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, dating history.
00:15:00
Capitalism vs. Communism/Socialism debate
Venus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist. Jake and Brian debate her on failed communist states, Cuba, North vs South Korea. Ends with Venus acknowledging communism hasn't successfully been implemented.
00:45:00
Abortion debate: pro-life vs. pro-choice
Panel split ~6 pro-life vs 2 pro-choice. Debate on when life begins (conception per biology argument), late-term abortion, legal paternal surrender, rape/incest exceptions. Angelique leads pro-life argument.
01:08:20
Physical attractiveness ratings (1-10 scale)
Guests rate themselves on 1-10 scale. Debate on whether attractiveness is objective or subjective. Discussion of women's prime attractiveness window.
01:25:00
Women's prime / age and attractiveness
Discussion on whether women peak at 18-25. Daphne agrees; Venus thinks she'll be hotter at 30; Katie and Sarah Stock disagree that 30 is past prime.
01:57:00
Body count and mate value
Extended discussion on whether body count affects a woman's value as a partner. Goes around the table. Body count round: Venus ~120 (mostly work), Jake 4, Daphne undisclosed, Sarah R 0, Sarah S 0, Angelique 0, Brian declines.
03:08:20
OnlyFans / porn industry ethics
Debate on whether porn harms relationships, trafficking in the industry, STD testing gaps (herpes/HPV not required). Brian notes porn conversations are repetitive on the show.
03:50:00
Illegal immigration and US border policy
Panel goes around on whether they'd date an illegal immigrant. Discussion of US border, other countries enforcing immigration laws, losing the country.
03:53:20
Traditional values vs. OnlyFans content (Daphne)
Brian confronts Daphne on her Instagram/Twitter content vs. her claim of being 'extremely traditional.' Reviews her public reels showing makeout sessions and suggestive content. Challenges her to delete OnlyFans to prove traditionalism.
04:00:00
2024 election: Trump vs. Biden
Panel votes: Daphne=Trump, Jake=Trump (implied), Sarah Stock=Trump, Alyssa=neither, Katie=won't say (implied Biden), Angelique=neither (pro-life litmus), Venus=implied Biden, Sarah R=skipped.
04:13:20
Dating wild stories / experiences
Brian reads pre-show notes; guests share unusual dating/relationship stories.
04:48:20
Men being pro-choice as a red flag
Sarah Stock argues pro-choice men are a red flag; discussion on what a pro-choice man's stance signals about his values toward women.
04:58:20
Friendship before dating
Discussion on whether couples should be friends before becoming romantic partners.
05:30:00
Engagement rings / marriage proposals
Discussion on whether proposal rings are necessary, diamond industry, kneeling. Guests largely want a proposal and ring.
05:53:20
Female submission / bowing debate
Discussion on whether women would bow to a man as an act of submission. Panel largely declines; Venus notes she'll do more explicit acts for work but not bow to a partner.
06:05:00
Feminism debate
Brian argues feminism is about securing benefits for women, not equality. Discussion on women in military service and selective service registration.
Transcript
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00:57:35
Venus Vixenthis is something that you know there are responsibilities to Bear once this happens and there are a lot of children in foster care and there's a lot of people who are pro and I'm not saying
00:57:45
SPEAKER_07this is you right like you put a lot of effort into fixing the is donated $100 greater than 90% of biologists agree that life begins at conception
00:57:56
SPEAKER_07also an important principle of bioethics when making decisions regarding life or death always are on the side of life hey Dr Nas thank you man appreciate it continue with your point go ahead but it
00:58:08
Venus Vixenit becomes more tricky when it's like most of the people that are pro-life are just like oh just don't do anything or provide anything provide resources for people in tricky positions do you know
00:58:18
Venus Vixenwhat I mean like domestic violence is a huge issue and it's most of it isn't even you know put on to numbers um I mean I would argue honestly that
00:58:29
Angeliquepro-life people generally do care more about like the entire life versus just the fetus because you hear that a lot you know oh pro life people only care about the fetus that's not true Pregnancy Resource Centers actually are like four to one to plan Parenthood and
00:58:43
Angeliqueif you call up a planed Parenthood and ask them hey I'm having a baby do you have any like resources like diapers and like can I have a place to stay they're going to be like what are you talking about all we have is the abortion pill like that's all we have for you whereas pro-life people are actually giving
00:58:56
Angeliqueresources to women to be able to say like you can do this you're you know you're strong enough to be a mother so I would argue that that's really not the case and that also adopt the kid as well yeah they would let that would make you take it to term and then the adoption
00:59:07
Brian Atlaslist in America is much bigger than the amount of abortions that take place I I want to try to get a little bit more precise on the question that I asked you before so I asked you would you be okay
00:59:18
Brian Atlaswith a woman getting an abortion uh a day before she would otherwise go through with a healthy pregnancy her health her life isn't at
00:59:27
Venus Vixenrisk the baby's health is fine you said you'd be okay with that correct I mean I feel like it's not for me to put my opinion on what someone else should judge that's for someone else to weigh
00:59:38
Brian Atlasout not me that is not my responsibility then I'll I'll make it a two-pronged question for you let's say you decided a day before you were otherwise going to give birth you decided you want wanted
00:59:51
Brian Atlasto get an abortion would you I wouldn't do that okay so then and and you don't you you would
00:59:59
Brian Atlasnot legislate or to let me think about this you would not put forth legislation to prevent women from getting an abortion a day before they would
01:00:11
Venus Vixenotherwise give birth no would you at least have some sort of moral objection or judgment to them doing that perhaps you wouldn't want
01:00:22
Venus Vixento a little bit excessive like I feel like it's you're waiting up until the last point you know what I mean do you find it morally objectionable I mean I guess to a degree
01:00:35
Brian Atlasokay what about so what about an hour before a woman were to otherwise give birth one hour she's in the hospital right but she's in the hospital oo the Pain's really bad let's just do an
01:00:46
Brian Atlasabortion not that I don't think that would that might not be the the uh pretext for why she would get an abortion but um I suppose the pain would still persist anyways but let's say an hour before she was otherwise going to
01:00:59
Venus Vixengive birth she wanted to get I feel like it's not for me to say like it's not my decision to make like I feel like that's for each individual person to assess their situation but didn't you agree was a moral issue though you agreed was a
01:01:10
Venus Vixenmoral issue where if if you agree it's killing a person that's why you wouldn't do it why would you I didn't agree that it was killing a person I'm saying for me it would feel immoral for me to do well why is it immoral to you because if
01:01:22
Venus Vixenit wasn't under extreme circumstances for me then I have the financial resources that I'm okay with a child like I have you agree it's a child so the moral issue for you is that it kills your child is that correct just no no so then what then what's wrong with
01:01:35
Venus Vixenabortion if it doesn't kill a person then abortion is totally fine right you would want more abortions in some ways my personal opinion on what I would do for my body is still I don't think I should push that on anyone else it's the
01:01:46
Brian Atlassame thing for like a religious belief or anything else like that I if there was let me ask you a question if there was a prif Lobby trying to leg slate
01:01:56
Brian Atlasthat a woman could not get an abortion uh a day a day before she would otherwise give birth would you be against
01:02:10
Brian Atlasthat like if you had or there was there was a uh something on the ballot you know you you could vote can women get an abortion a day before they
01:02:21
Venus Vixenwould otherwise give birth I feel like a day is excessive and if I had to have an opinion it would probably lean more towards I wouldn't want that to happen because it is so
01:02:32
Brian Atlaslast minute what about a second she's she's a second away from from is this still excess like is this realistic no
01:02:40
Brian Atlasbut okay she's she's 1 second away from giving birth should she be able to have an
01:02:51
Jakeabortion like a ridiculous question like one second with the hypothal do you think it's right or wrong like do you think that it's morally right or wrong to do that I feel like for me personally and I can
01:03:04
Venus Vixenonly answer for myself it would be wrong for me but I cannot answer for other people why is it wrong cuz I feel like I have I can bear the responsibility of a child if it were to happen I feel like I
01:03:15
Brian Atlascould I have the right resources I can't make that decision for someone else here let me give you a hypothetical so okay uh the woman's in the hospital she's an hour away from otherwise giving
01:03:26
Brian Atlasbirth at 59 minutes before giving birth she realizes that her entire life savings have been wiped out she can no longer financially you know she's
01:03:37
Brian Atlasrealized oh no my my finances have been totally wiped away on this sole basis now before I was able to financially provide now I can't uh she wants to now
01:03:49
Brian Atlasget an abortion because just financially she's not in a good position do you think that that that is uh sufficient reason to get an abortion like I don't know how many
01:04:00
Venus Vixentimes I have to say it like it's not my opinion to have it's it's that simple it's not for me to have an opinion on someone else like can I jump in I understand your point that you're not
01:04:10
Sarah Ramireztrying to like make your opinion um influence someone else's decision um and it's kind of like oh each individual person should just do what they want but then what would be the point in having a
01:04:22
Venus Vixengovernment that takes care of people if we just say oh do whatever ever you want at the risk of whoever like it doesn't make sense it's not at the risk of whoever this a a contain issue it's the same thing as if you were to push a
01:04:33
Venus Vixenreligion on every single person that it doesn't there are certain things that don't work and they aren't so black and white and this is one of the things that sit in a very gray area but there are certain rights that everyone has that is
01:04:45
Venus Vixenblack and white like life liberty and the pursuit of happiness why is it all black and white for you because it is an issue of morality but there's it's not black and
01:04:58
Brian Atlaswhite we just decided oh yo Rick are you Hunter on streamlabs is that you Rick are you Hunter send another Super so I can see it um here last last back and forth and we were going to switch gears
01:05:11
Angeliquea bit if you guys want to just wrap up on the point um I just wanted to also ask uh do you know what the point of viability is like what's the difference between a child at 20 weeks versus like right before
01:05:21
Venus Vixenbirth um like probably like pain much it can feel pain like I don't know biological because most places in the United States you can have an abortion
01:05:31
Angeliqueall the way up to the point of viability and babies are being born in the same hospitals where they're being aborted do you think that that's a moral issue where like these children one child gets
01:05:43
Angeliquethe right to life they get to have you know the life that you have right now because their mother made a decision versus a child in a different room is literally being killed pulled apart limb from limb at that at that point in an
01:05:55
Venus Vixenabortion and they don't have that right to live why is it someone else's decision whether someone lives or dies but it's also Consciousness and don't you think once you become unconscious right like if you're in the if you're in
01:06:07
Venus Vixena coma then you no longer have the ability to assess decisions for yourself it's the same thing someone that would be a caretaker to you would make that decision if you should live or die or when it happens it's the same situation
01:06:19
Angeliqueyou're not conscious so Consciousness decides whether you're you have like value it has for a long time can you just kill me if I'm asleep just cuz I would never know the same level of Consciousness I don't think there's a
01:06:29
Daphnegray area it's life or like and death I think I mean if even the moment of contraception it's a living being it's life there is no gray area there shouldn't be a gray area conscious or
01:06:42
Venus Vixennot there should be no gray area it's it's completely that's so linear because at the same time you could be like murder is bad but if you were stuck somewhere situation Life Death right and you were to kill someone who was trying
01:06:54
Angeliqueto kill you that would be different you Mur someone that's not Mur preor sense isn't murder selfdefense is not murder this is it's an opinion there are some people that would that's the whole issue
01:07:05
Angeliqueonce the baby is born that newborn requires provably requires their mother would be murder once the baby's born that's a newborn right and you you can't just leave a baby and walk away they're not just like now they're on their own like now it's a person separate from
01:07:18
Angeliqueitself and no other has nothing to do with it the child still requires support from people around them so what is the fundamental difference if you're you're saying it's their her body her choice 5 seconds before birth but then 5 seconds
01:07:30
Angeliqueafter birth suddenly you know why kill that child like that's it may be Consciousness do you remember anything from that moment like when you wait do you think that a child doesn't have Consciousness right before they're born like once it takes its first breath and
01:07:43
Angeliqueit's into the world and it's scientifically a child actually has Consciousness very very early in pregnancy in fact the starts being mother even know she PR all of it like they have brain waves
01:07:56
Angeliquevery early in pregnancy in fact mothers don't even know they're pregnant while their baby's heart starts beating and then not shortly after do they have brain waves so that's why I'm telling you viability is very early because you can have a baby born premature and we
01:08:08
Brian Atlascan they can survive outside the womb do you have a final thought or otherwise I'm going to switch gears no is there okay so going back to my initial initial question uh is there anything anyone who
01:08:19
Brian Atlasdisagrees with me you seen a clip anything anything else anybody okay all right so uh maybe we there will be some other things we can disagree on
01:08:30
Brian Atlaswe have me too here Canadian 50 Brian not a huge fan of you you're not much better than the Tates you're making money off these women at least Tate pretends he's not disgusted with these women I may consider joining this LOL
01:08:43
Brian Atlaspodcast simp simply to put you in your place well Hey listen we invite I invite people on all the time who disagree with me I'm very open to dissenting opinions and debates so um you can it could be
01:08:55
Brian Atlasyou could certainly uh shoot us a DM on Instagram I I like your Karen haircut there it's probably not even you but um it would be so good to get a Caren on
01:09:04
Brian Atlasthis podcast Nick come back um so I mean you're welcome to uh shoot us a DM we can see about having you come on the show uh I it's kind of failing to see
01:09:15
Brian Atlasyour comparison to the Tates because I mean they were uh I mean I H like I'm hosting a podcast where I invite women on the show um I
01:09:27
Brian Atlasnot really a Critic of the Tates but I mean they were involved in like cam cam modeling which like I don't produce any pornographic content so it's
01:09:36
Brian Atlastotally different but uh anyways you're welcome to DM us I'm happy to uh debate all right we have uh let's see oh we have Stiffler here okay let's just get this one out of the way early ask
01:09:47
Daphneeveryone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead if I to rate myself on a scale of 1 to 10 right now on this outfit I would say like seven okay yeah I feel
01:10:00
Katielike a seven six uh currently I would say I'm like in the five range but when I'm at my best and taking care of myself better I think
01:10:11
AngeliqueI can get up to like a six or seven okay I have no idea I I've never really thought about this scaling of people's
01:10:21
Brian Atlasattractiveness on a number scale of 1 to 10 but okay so I don't know well I'll push a little there or do you want to do you want to try it right
01:10:34
Angeliquenow not really I just don't I don't really believe in putting people on like number scales basically okay well I can I'll engage with you on that in a bit but go ahead what about you I'm kind of the
01:10:45
SPEAKER_07opposite um oh hold on matth Le donated $100 thanth once you say you have no opinion then why speak stupid any
01:10:55
Angeliqueanything you say means nothing is this directed is that for me at vixon I think that was wild it was on the abortion topic opinion Matthew Lee
01:11:07
Venus Vixenappreciate it man thank you do you want to I think this is directed to you and do you want to respond I mean it's basically like I have an opinion and I have an opinion for myself and then also my opinion is that I shouldn't make
01:11:19
Brian Atlasopinions for other people because it's so like personalized to other people's issues what they have going on but I mean so would you fight against legislation that outright banned
01:11:31
Brian Atlasabortion in this country yes so you do have an opinion you do have a position somewhat yes like and I have an opinion for myself also okay that's pretty much it like I don't think there should be a
01:11:45
Sarah Ramirezruling thumb um so I kind of want to like jump off uh uh what you were saying you don't think about it a lot honestly when it comes to other people I don't I say they're either pretty or they're not
01:11:57
Sarah Ramirezpretty like I can tell off the bat when it comes to myself though I'm the opposite I've been thinking about this like all the time just because I have like struggles with like looking like um like lately it's like oh I wish I looked
01:12:09
Sarah Ramirezmore like Latina or I wish it look more like what I am so um I don't know kind of harsh on myself but I'd say like right now about a five okay yeah
01:12:20
Sarah StockSarah I think it's kind of a stupid question I don't really like I think beauty is subjective for the
01:12:27
Jakemost part so that's true okay um Jake give myself a seven again has
01:12:37
Brian Atlashasn't e off flow I give myself a five once I lose some weight though I'll be back to a sixth let's go um wait so remind me what
01:12:48
Angeliqueyou said right you said I just said in general I'm not a big fan of the 1 to 10 concept like scaling system and I've and I've heard you say many times you're very objective about this and you're you're very intense about making sure
01:13:01
Angeliquepeople know that attractiveness is objective and it's on a 1 to 10 scale and you use Victoria Secret models as like your basis I think that was Jake okay sorry someone said I I used Victoria Secret models is like a
01:13:12
Brian Atlasalthough if you have you seen some of the Victoria Secret models lately I it's like have you seen the the like Calvin Klein you know the like obese Calvin Klein model they've gone woke have they Victoria I ever said it this
01:13:25
Angeliqueis that's actually perfect for what I'm my point is because once you create like this like top thing like you mentioned like actresses or Victoria Secret models suddenly that's like the standard that like women have to look to like all of
01:13:38
Angeliqueus would look to to say like oh I'm like a five compared to this person's name and as you just pointed out Victoria Secret models can change all the time and the con like the classic Victoria Secret models like the Candice and like
01:13:51
Daphneback when they had the runways when people actually had legs to walk down and the aisle and now it's like obese people in a wheelchair posing a lingerie honestly I don't think either side is really that good honestly because what
01:14:03
Angeliquewe saw is like a complete like 180 to like what Victoria Secret Secret models like classically are so I totally agree with that like I don't think we need to go from like anorexia to you know full obesity I'm saying to put that as like
01:14:15
Angeliquethe height of your scale and like mention women's names who are famous does it work in my opinion because someone can become famous who isn't conventionally attractive but now we see them that people who are famous we were
01:14:27
Jakesaying that these ladies who are typically seen as the most beautiful women in the world the Victoria Secrets even really I don't really know too much about this world if I'm if I'm honest but that's just what I sort of saw I
01:14:38
Jakethink mostly it's females who they tend to appeal to their Victoria Secret supermodels CU females are obviously the ones who are buying this but you know they're pretty attractive as well to men so I think I think that beauty is something that we can quantify you can
01:14:51
Jaketell if someone's ugly you can tell if someone's beautiful and you know can look at all sort of statistics on on dating apps as well the kinds of people that people swipe on and I think there's definitely certain objective things that
01:15:03
Angeliquemake someone attractive or not attractive but in general a scaling system is my is my issue because putting someone on like a number scale where there's like a one and a 10 and you're using examples of like people you particularly find attractive cuz there
01:15:15
Brian Atlascould be like a woman you you put a picture in front of both of you and one of you guys is like the other one's like people have types yeah sure there's types but I mean for example so we're we're not far from UCSB here and I think
01:15:26
Brian Atlasthe you go to UCSB correct right I mean there's 20,000 undergrads or something like that uh probably about 12,000 of those because you know there's more women who go to college but 12,000 of
01:15:38
Brian Atlasthose are women um and I think if you asked all the male undergrads like okay rank every single woman at this University like and if you had 10,000 men and you put you put all the it would
01:15:49
Brian Atlastake a long time to do this but you you had them rank them there would probably be like people would start like moving more towards the top you know there'd be some more towards
01:16:01
Brian Atlasthe bottom so I mean I think you can if if you were to survey people people would come to some degree of consensus now do some people have certain types would some people you know I I would say probably and if people were being honest
01:16:14
Brian Atlasin their rankings and their ratings I would say most people are going to be able to put someone within Plus or plus or minus a point typically maybe plus or minus two but you will have a generalized sort of uh graph there
01:16:27
Brian AtlasGeneral consensus of like what there's a beauty standard for a reason now let's I mean when it comes to like you know it's kind of perhaps super I don't know I don't want to put words in your mouth but you said it's you don't see the
01:16:38
Brian Atlaspoint of like actually ranking somebody using this sort of scale um I know you're currently in a relationship right now I mean maybe looks don't matter a whole lot to you but
01:16:48
Brian Atlasum how tall is your boyfriend um he's 5'8 how tall are you 5 like three four 53 or four okay and I mean you've dated people before him
01:17:00
Angeliquecorrect no oh he's been your only partner yes okay you've been on first dates at all or you've just like accidentally afterwards like I guess that was a date but not really now okay
01:17:10
Brian Atlasyou're 24 correct yes okay this is your first relationship so from like 18 to 22 you've pretty much been single is that correct yeah okay no First Dates during that period no okay well in that case I
01:17:23
Brian Atlasdidn't really believe in D not hit totally as i' liked it to but um do you have any he preference for a man preference height preference preference sorry um no no hyp preference I mean so
01:17:36
Angeliqueyou wouldn't like I okay to Fair I've never thought about it because I just met the person I'm with and like I never thought about it ever again okay so so perhaps you're an outlier in this regard but would you would you agree that most
01:17:47
Angeliquewomen tend to have a height preference and tend to prefer men who are tall yes I think you you you uh miscalculated my position before when you said I don't care about like attractiveness or
01:17:58
Angeliquewhatever I do I'm saying you mentioned the point about the Santa Barbara College and ranking people tens of thousands of votes and everything I would agree on my analysis if I was put into that pool and someone said like oh
01:18:12
Angeliquebased on the rankings you're like a six or a five or whatever be like okay cuz that's the opinions that was was determined by like statistics I'd be like sure I'm a statistic now right but when you're asking me in a table like what do I think I'm just going to be like I don't know like it doesn't
01:18:25
Brian Atlasthere's no statistic to tell me that so I I'm not going to put myself in a number right and and I'm this I'm bringing this up because I I want to ask Sarah here too Sarah do you have a height preference at all when it comes
01:18:35
Brian Atlasto men um how tall are you I'm 5'9 would you date a guy who's 5'7 I've dated a guy who's like 5'8 would you prefer to date a guy who's a couple inches taller
01:18:45
Brian Atlasthan you yeah okay well I mean so I mean you said that the question to ask is stupid to ask people to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 but I mean you're quite literally qualifying or
01:18:57
Brian Atlasdisqualifying men based on a literal numerical uh metric a numerical measurement someone's height which has absolutely no bearing on their capability to be a good partner to you um
01:19:08
Brian Atlasso you know this this whole idea of you know this this is being a stupid question one it's sort of like a uh a check on someone's degree to which they can accurately self assess their own
01:19:20
Brian Atlasphysical attractiveness which I think when it comes to dating is extremely important because and I won't Linger on it too long cuz I've talked about it plenty of times but if you have an inaccurate self assessment of your own
01:19:31
Brian Atlasuh attractiveness you're going to tend to perhaps pursue men who uh I don't pursue
01:19:38
Brian Atlasmen that's a good one that's you are okay you don't pursue men you okay you to some degree you are competing for
01:19:50
Sarah Stockmen though no I'm not they're competing for men you think that men are competing to get you but you don't have competition with other women for like a man that you may have your compete for a man like I
01:20:03
Jakewouldn't go for a man that I had to compete for I want a man that wants me do you think that you have to do your hair and look nice and pretty and wear makeup and all these sorts of things so that you can look pretty so that eventually one of the suitors might think that you're
01:20:14
Sarah Stockpretty yeah that's not like the whole reason I do I like you're making an effort so that you can look good so that a man I want people to think I look good but that doesn't mean I I would like no but wouldn't compete with other women for a men if they were like natur you
01:20:28
Jakedon't have to say that you are or you're not you just are wait what you just are you don't have to say that you are or you're not you just are because we exist in a Marketplace so that you're you're competing to look pretty so that you can
01:20:40
Jakelook pretty so that men will find you attractive and it's not that you're trying to Elbow some out the way but you just are naturally existing in the sexual Marketplace so men are going to find you attractive or unattractive due to their
01:20:53
Jakeown type and due to how much effort you you make and you keep yourself in great shape you look very pretty which is fantastic and you're uh putting yourself in a good posy in the marketplace would you agree I guess so I don't really look at
01:21:04
Jakeit like a Marketplace though I don't know it's not you know it's not like a shopping center but it's it's somewhere where you know you want to increase your value and you take certain steps to increase your value and then you can
01:21:16
Sarah Stockattract the best the best buyer I don't know that's just not really my view on like dating and relationships is that it's like a market and people have their own specific values because I think different people
01:21:27
Sarah Stockhave different preferences like I want someone who has the same values as me and outlook on like on life and everything so like what I'm looking for in a man is maybe going to be different
01:21:40
Sarah Stockthan like what the average what are you looking for in a man like I want someone who shares the same values and beliefs as me so like I'm like very specific things to give me your most important thing what is it um well Christianity
01:21:53
Sarah Stockfor sure like someone who has a relationship with God I think that's like the most important thing for me so that's why I'm saying like that's a completely different value system than maybe like the world has in the sexual Mar so would you say that a Christian
01:22:05
Jakeman to you is more appealing than an atheist man yeah would you say that if the if we did look at the sexual Marketplace or the dating Marketplace as a Marketplace he would have be of higher value to you you'd be willing to do more
01:22:17
Jaketo attract that man's attention yeah but that isn't that like more subjective though yeah but it's a Marketplace and I go but then that's like personal market right yeah exactly but it is a Marketplace though because you are looking at men and their qualities
01:22:29
Jakeand their features and you're making an assessment on them whether they're a good partner for you and they're doing the same for you so you're you're you know like I said before keeping yourself in good shape looking very pretty and then men are going to judge you based on
01:22:42
Jakethat and also your internal values as well so I think we do exist in a Marketplace either even though we don't want to look at it as somewhere where we can go and check out at the counter it
01:22:52
Sarah Stockis more well I do think I want to take back my answer earlier about um Beauty being subjective because I think it's kind of like I view it kind of 50% and with what you're saying too like part of
01:23:04
Sarah Stockit is people do have types and people do have specific preferences like a lot of people want to have people date people with the same values as them or whatever maybe they even just have specific interests that they're looking for so
01:23:16
Sarah Stockand same with attractiveness like what what I might find attractive someone might not find attractive at all like there's some guys that I've dated my friends they're like oh they're so
01:23:26
Sarah Stockugly but to me right and like it's true everyone has different types um so I think it's like 50% honestly 50% objective but there's an element of subjectivity I would I would agree I
01:23:40
Jakethink that beauty is something that's completely unexplainable by any sort of scientific metric but it's also like you said it's I think beauty is very objective but there's also a subjective nature to Bea to Beauty as well because we find different things beautiful but I
01:23:52
Jakealso don't think that that necessarily detracts from the fact that we are sort of competing with each other not necessarily in a way that you're super conscious about that you're always thinking about I got to compete got to compete but you know we the re there's a reason why you're not allowing yourself
01:24:06
Jaketo get really fat and there's a reason why you're not allowing yourself to like look really ugly and why you might take care of yourself that's because you want to present yourself nicely and present yourself nicely to men as well to potential suitors you're a young single
01:24:18
Sarah Stocklady of course yeah I don't know I don't view it as like a conscious competition though I guess I don't think most people view it
01:24:27
Angeliquelike that yeah yeah I would agree would you would you agree with that um I personally have never yeah I've never really thought about it that
01:24:38
Angeliqueway before I met the person I'm with I really never thought about dating much I was focused on other things and it didn't really appeal to me at all so yeah I get I get what you guys are saying there because you know you guys
01:24:50
Jakeare hold yourself to a very high standard and I can understand why you'd have that attitude where you're not thinking about it all the time so but I certainly agree that in a sense like the word Marketplace is it's an interesting term to use for people but I agree with
01:25:03
AngeliqueI think it's kind of just the colloquial term that gets used in this space it's the same as like an intellectual Marketplace like it's something that exists amongst the society where we're all like eventually trying to you know populate the world like it's down to a science like it's true
01:25:18
Brian Atlasyeah okay um well here I'll I'll do this one just to uh on the ah well nobody was like really claiming 10 or anything I don't know if I have to go for it but
01:25:30
Brian Atlasreally quick okay are you more attractive now or will you be more attractive in 10 years physically attractive um I mean I think it's
01:25:40
Daphneobvious I'm women age and I feel like a prime for a woman is 18 to 25 I'm 24 so what I
01:25:49
Daphnehave one year left and then like it's down yeah I mean it's a sad thing to you know think about but I mean it is truth
01:25:59
Daphneand it's biology and it's 18 to 25 is prime time prime time yeah prime time for babies for all of it you know I may not have this fast metabolism forever
01:26:10
Daphnebut um yeah I think that I definitely will become unattractive in the next 10 years but I think I have two good you're going to be it's not that you're going to be not attractive it's just are you
01:26:22
Venus Vixenmore attractive now than you will be in 10 years oh yeah by like the second as the seconds go on I just it's all downhill okay I don't know I feel like when I'm 30 I'm going to have like big
01:26:33
Brian Atlasass titties and be like a hot mil so I don't know took some mil okay um so you're currently 20 so you think you'll be more physically
01:26:44
Venus Vixenattractive at 30 than you are now what about at 40 40 Prime no but hot yeah still hot but
01:26:53
Alyssanot okay yeah okay all right okay I guess not or I guess I would so you're 28 will you be more attractive at
01:27:03
Alyssa38 or now at 28 I guess 28 cuz I'm not 18 to 25 I guess now
01:27:12
Katieokay um I personally don't think the prime is uh so short for women um but I know you guys probably disagree but uh yeah no I'm hotter now than 38 what do
01:27:23
Katieyou think the prime is just curious I think for like you know I'm 28 and I was like very naive like when I was in my early 20s like I didn't know how to do myself up like I didn't know
01:27:35
Katiehow to look good um and yes technically maybe my body was like I don't I don't even know I your body was better I don't think it's changed that much and I think I actually learned to be like more fit
01:27:46
Angeliqueum like it's it's not like I'm falling apart you know what I mean oh my God I'm hot what about what about you um once again I've never really thought about
01:27:55
Angeliquethis but if I'm now confronted with the question I would say now probably okay I have no idea what I'm going to look like in 10 years well I mean
01:28:07
Sarah Ramirezknowing what you know about you know the just the reality of aging and biology um you want to take a wager um yeah probably now not now let's say a year
01:28:19
Sarah Ramirezfrom now after I have been going to the gym and figured out my skincare a year from now so when I'm 20 I'll be I'll be uh in my
01:28:29
Sarah StockPrime I really don't know I think it's like 5050 because right now I don't have that much time to work out or anything so like if I'm 30
01:28:40
Sarah StockI'm thinking I'll have a lot more time to I don't know do Pilates and stuff get toned up so I might look better and also I have no money right now at all so do you think money will help you become
01:28:51
Sarah Stockmore physically attractive yeah in what about in 20 years time no I think I think by that time but 30 like 30 you guys are acting like 30s old 30 is not old 30 is hot as F 30 looks
01:29:04
Sarah Stockreally good I think a lot of women look better when they're 30 than 20 like also you think women okay also like I like as you get older you learn to do yourself up better like you guys were saying but
01:29:14
Brian Atlasokay you have to understand right so you when we're asking this question it's not like at 20 you're just taking dog
01:29:24
Brian Atlascare of yourself you don't know how to do your makeup you're obese and then 30 you're like a fitness model you you're the best at doing makeup your diet's the
01:29:35
SPEAKER_07best no it's like your Optimum at 20 and your Optimum at 30 One Motorsports donated $100 women's Marketplace value is youth physical appearance Purity and a ability
01:29:47
SPEAKER_07to have children this is what defines your Marketplace value feminism has failed you by telling you that you have time I completely agree with that based
01:29:58
Sarah RamirezBas based grid One Motorsports dude good to see you in the Chatman thank you I kind of agree with that kind of disagree because well okay obviously with Grid or
01:30:08
Sarah Ramirezwhat I just said because um I don't know what grid considers like a like a um optimal like time uh limit in which uh women still have value like in Youth and
01:30:21
Sarah Ramirezwhatnot obviously when you're 30 you're not as young as you used to be there's going to be your Prime like you said 18 through 25 but also like sorry to put you out on the spot
01:30:32
Sarah Ramirezhere Mom but my mom had me when I was 28 my mom had my youngest sister when she was like 32 so there is still time in the 30s I think gagging on 30s in a
01:30:42
Sarah Ramirezphysical appearance you guys are you guys have um some groundw work there but when it comes to like the scientific fact oh yeah women are attractive only when they can have children you like it's it's
01:30:54
Jakethere's still there is time like feminism isn't telling me this it's just my I so you're saying that there's time to have children still yeah if you take care of yourself obviously there obviously is time to have children but if you if you thought about it right now
01:31:08
Jakein terms of the attractiveness of a young woman who's got those years ahead of her as compared to 10 years time those those years are going to be detracted you're not going to have those years anymore I be much more difficult
01:31:19
Sarah Ramirezto have children that's what I said when I agreed with you guys but when I'm like thinking about what his comment is saying specifically on like the children part um not in the like attractiv part because I will say you're the younger
01:31:31
Sarah Ramirezthe more attractive but I will say um I don't know maybe you guys don't uh have like a full concept of just how like just how far along in your life you can
01:31:42
SPEAKER_07have children no you can have children Motorsports donated $100 35 when I married my wife who was 24 I consciously avoided women over 30
01:31:53
JakeToo Many Bodies too much baggage too many disqualifiers so what we were saying before and I think pre based but um so what we was saying for in terms of having children well done as a woman
01:32:06
Jakegets past 25 it starts to go down a little bit and then start and then as a woman gets past 30 it starts to go quite significantly down and then 35 is is like very difficult to have children so
01:32:17
Jakeas between 20 and 24 kind I mean it's actually younger than that would be the ideal like time to have children in if you're looking it biologically and then up to 25 you're pretty good but then when you get past 30 it starts to really
01:32:29
Sarah Ramireztaper off like and especially like conditions with children children having things like down syndrome becomes much higher well yeah I know that but I'm just saying like it's not impossible and
01:32:41
Sarah Ramirezlike you said past 35 I would say past 35 but if we're talking specifically about just like 30 even like 31 32 yeah there's still a possibility I mean it's not impossible IDE was impossible yeah
01:32:52
Brian Atlaswe're not arguing this I mean women can uh have children into their late 30s early 40s uh like Jake was saying though it does start declining I mean and once you get past 35 I think that's when you
01:33:03
Brian Atlasget into high-risk pregnancy territory much greater likelihood of miscarriages uh there is a greater likelihood of birth defects that sort of thing but uh yes women can certainly get pregnant
01:33:14
Brian Atlasinto their late 30s early 40s um perhaps even I mean pretty low percentage but mid-40s they can but uh I think the you know fertil thing there's that's more so
01:33:25
Brian Atlaslike a Evo Evo pych biological reason for why men are more attracted to uh you know younger adult women and um but uh yeah did you have more Jake or no I I
01:33:38
Jakeagree with you in terms of that women can have children then so it's not like they just sort of like lose all their value at 25 I think that women above 25 can have children can have an immense amount of value however if you look at it from a man who's wanting to start a
01:33:50
Jakefamily maybe wanting to have 3 four 5 6 13 13 children like me then I'd probably look at a little bit younger 22 23 sort of thing how old are you 28 yeah I
01:34:01
Angeliquewondered to ask it's grid right the last comment that came up he said he was 35 and he married someone who's 24 I would just ask why did you wait so long to get married like what were you doing all that time why why didn't you get married
01:34:14
Brian Atlaswhen you were 24 well I have a bit of backstory actually on grid so maybe I mean if he wants to come in with another one but I'll let you know so grid for for you know his his early 20s he was he
01:34:26
Brian Atlaswas uh in the Peace Corps yeah and so he was like in mosan Beek building houses and and Wells uh then he he came back and then he he got
01:34:38
Brian Atlasinto stocks and he was focused on his stock Investments and he s he sold oil future you know there's oil Futures he invested heavily in that he made a ton so he
01:34:50
Brian Atlasdidn't prioritize having a family and having kids yes he was very much one very focused on oil Futures and then he's like he does racing he's he's he's
01:35:01
Brian Atlaswow Taladega kns type like he sells helmets as well very productive I like that yes and he's also a uh a
01:35:13
Brian Atlashunter you're just making a bounty hunter a bounty hunter it was hard for him no this is all true he was a bounty hunter he was a bounty hunter so like
01:35:23
Brian Atlashe's going from City to City trying to catch the bad guys and it's just very hard for bounty hunters I have a lot that contact me who reach out to me uh
01:35:34
Brian Atlasyou know asking for advice on dating you know how do you date on the road while trying to catch criminals and it's tough okay it's tough that's beautiful it was very it's very
01:35:44
Brian Atlasbeautiful thank you Brian are you a high valuee man wait where did that come from I'm just I'm just wondering uh well I sort of object to like for example like terms like alpha male beta male high
01:35:55
Brian Atlasvalue man low value man I kind of object to those sorts of terms uh but I mean to actually engage with your question can hey can you guys be quiet back there um
01:36:06
SPEAKER_07to actually engage with your question I think in some dimensions of uh human achievement oh okay I'll let G One Motorsports donated $100 men build
01:36:17
SPEAKER_07themselves up to have a family and good men do not have a family until they can afford them I had nothing to offer a woman Beyond a bad attitude at 24 but at 35 I was a full-grown
01:36:29
Brian Atlasman build themselves that good men do not have a family uh yeah I guess there's a little uh you know longer uh incubation period for men you know they have to uh if women want providers men need to become providers it takes them a
01:36:42
Brian Atlasbit of time uh so I think to answer your question am I high value man uh not in all Realms I mean I think certainly there's some Realms of human endeavor
01:36:51
Brian AtlasI'd like to improve on um I think in certain Realms I would consider myself yes but uh in totality I'd
01:37:02
Brian Atlassay ah it's it's hard to to really answer that question but um and again I I preface this by saying I don't like those kind of categorizations high value
01:37:12
Brian Atlasman low value man because I I that sort of exists on the Spectrum but um like for example my fitness is not where I'd like it to be right now and I think uh you know that's one dimension that I'm
01:37:24
Brian AtlasI'm lacking in but when it comes to for example you know My Career Success or my finances I think I'm doing doing fairly well uh so there's that and then I think I'd like to think I have my head on
01:37:36
Brian Atlasfairly straight I don't smoke don't do drugs um have no debt uh don't smoke what don't don't drink don't smoke don't
01:37:45
Brian Atlasdo drugs don't party don't go to bars don't have really any vices um so uh I think in the those Dimensions I'm doing quite well so do you agree with the
01:37:56
Sarah Stockwhole red pill thing that it's like good for men to sleep around and um it makes you have a higher value as a man if you're sleeping around have a ton of bodies uh so I don't think promiscuity
01:38:07
Brian Atlasis good in men or women I do think it when men and women are promiscuous I do think that there are differences there I do think that it it can certainly have a
01:38:18
Brian Atlasnegative impact on both but I do think that the negative impact tends to be more significant in women for men who are promiscuous but uh I certainly think
01:38:29
Brian Atlasthere are differences between the genders uh I'm not in favor of uh uh Pro promiscuity in either sex um I will say though that I do think it is the case
01:38:40
Brian Atlasthat uh that to be broadly attractive to women you're going to have to have a much higher degree of uh relational dating and relationship experience than
01:38:51
Brian Atlasthe reverse so I think that um you know a man who lacks experience with women is going to be probably deemed uh what about seual experience like the number of Partners uh if the
01:39:04
Brian Atlaswoman's a virgin then it probably won't matter but uh once a woman's lost her virginity and if she's had a few sexual partners a man lacking in that department is actually going to be a
01:39:15
Brian Atlaspretty could be a pretty B big deal breaker for a wide swath of women um I don't think requires a man to sleep with
01:39:24
Brian Atlas50 or 100 women to become sexually experienced but uh I think for example like uh even sex very sexually experienced men may very well prefer
01:39:37
Brian Atlaswomen who are not sexually experienced they might find that attractive or sexually arousing whereas the reverse is very rarely the case sexually experienced women are repulsed by men
01:39:47
Daphnewho are virgins I feel like most high value men look for women who are not experienced I feel like high value men in this world look for or at least in my opinion I feel like if I
01:39:58
Daphnewhen I think what does a high value man want 18 to 25 virgin fin woman of God no tattoos I feel like it's um it's
01:40:10
Daphnedifferent like for me personally I'm not necessarily looking for a high value man but I would want someone a man that has a little bit of experience but I feel like from a man's perspective when they're looking for like the woman of
01:40:21
Jaketheir dreams they would find a woman that doesn't know anything kind of depends I think we maybe need to Define high value man though a little bit better do I Define some people would look at a high value man as a guy who's like sort of in Dubai with the Maserati
01:40:34
Jakeand sort of has all these chicks I wouldn't say that's a high value man but some people would look at I like I look at for example Michael nolles who was on the podcast last week I think he's a high value man just because he carries himself self so well and he's a husband and I think he's a father now as well I
01:40:48
Jakelook at guys who are fathers who have been in a relationship for a while and who have made been good leader of their family is high value men and especially good leaders of their Community I think leadership sometimes having experience
01:40:59
Daphnewith women does come in handy with that so it's just one of those realities of the world we live in right now yeah I think there's a you know people say there's a double standard but I think there's a double standard for a reason
01:41:10
Daphnemen and women are very very different and I personally don't see an issue with a man going around and being with a bunch of women even you know my ex who I dated he would go see other women every
01:41:22
Daphnenow and then and I never really had a problem with it I didn't think that there was an issue with it I think it's normal but as a woman I feel like there's just this system in place where like you just you can't I feel like it's
01:41:33
Angeliquewrong that's just the way that I feel your position is that women don't want women want men to be experience and go with a bunch of women but you would
01:41:43
Angeliqueprefer not to to go and do that because the first part again so you your position is that you value men who go out and get experience with other women no I don't I think it doesn't matter but
01:41:54
DaphneI don't I don't look man but you want to like preserve yourself for the man you're with is that what you're saying I mean I have not preserved myself in the best way but I think ideally though like if that's what your view is if I'm in a
01:42:06
Daphnerelationship with a man I think that I mean I am 100% loyal I am purely just with the one man that I'm with I think that from
01:42:17
Daphnehis area I feel like it's okay for him why to do it I feel like men and women love and lust are very different emotions and for me
01:42:28
Daphnepersonally as a woman when I'm have any sort of sexual interaction with someone it's emotional whether it's a friend or it's in a relationship I there is emotion there and to me I could never
01:42:39
Daphnegive my emotion to someone else if I'm in a relationship as a man I feel like it's much easier for a man to go out and have a casual hookup and there be absolutely no emotions for a woman it's not it is easier for them but do you
01:42:52
Angeliquethink that's okay you that's right just because it's harder for man to separate like his emotions from sexual desires that he should just go out and do it just because it's easier I don't I mean it's not something I would want but I think that have that standard though
01:43:05
Angeliquelike if if that's what you want if you want your man to have the standard to look at you emotionally not just like sexually that like he should live up to that like there's men out there that aren't just going to like succumb to
01:43:16
Angeliquetheir opponent ended to their desires and you know and just do that there's actually men out there who do see sex as an emot connection emotional bond and they're not going to just do it with random women just because they can just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something I think if
01:43:30
Daphneyou're in a relationship and it's emotional and you love the other person there really isn't time I would not be able to give my emotions away to someone else even if I want even if I triy I don't think that I could physically give my love and emotion to someone else so I
01:43:42
Daphneknow that that won't happen even if he does want to go be with another woman I know that that emotion won't go anywhere that I'm solid and I'm secure where I am in the in the relationship and I'm I wouldn't necessarily mind it and you
01:43:55
Angeliquedon't want that same thing reciprocated to you what do you same what do you mean well so you're saying you know you have this great loyalty and that's beautiful I'm wondering why you wouldn't want to see that in the person you're with I would 100% I think loyalty is important
01:44:07
DaphneI think that I get my validation in different ways than you know my ex-boyfriend would get his validation my validation would be I would post a cute selfie on Snapchat or maybe even a bikini picture on Instagram and people would comment and be like oh you look so
01:44:20
Daphnecute that's my sense of validation I think that his sense of validation would be going out and maybe flirting or you know being having a one night stand and i' do you think that having a one night
01:44:31
Angeliquestand is more harmful than posting a cute pick on Instagram like in terms of he's bonding with another person chemically you're posting a photo on Instagram I don't think there's necessarily a chemical bond I think that it's just well scientifically there is so are you are you denying that science
01:44:45
Jakeor you just kind of is that your no I'm not denying the science I think it's just the way that I feel I don't necessarily you guys kind of token past each other a little bit as well because if you look at the the dating Market at the moment especially in terms of like
01:44:57
Jakeum The Atheist world that we live in so you look at dating as like a man and a woman in a Unity under God would I be right in saying that of course y so he created all of us exactly right I would I would agree with you however in the
01:45:09
Jakemarket that we live in at the moment especially with women's sexual hypergamy um there's a bunch of men who are sort of at the top who are getting all of the attention this is born out on all the sort of dating apps and all this sort of
01:45:20
Jakething so I think what we're seeing is sort of a a turn to polygamy in a way where where women are saying I'm okay with my man going and sleeping with other with other women because I want the highest value man and I know it might be very difficult for you guys to
01:45:33
Angeliquecomprehend but I think that you'd be very surprised how often this is happening I think the monogamy is just destroying relationship each other I think I was trying to understand what like literally what your view is I'm actually really curious understand it
01:45:46
Daphneyeah I think monogamy is one of the reasons why the divorce rates are so high monogamy is not natural for me as a woman I don't need to go out and be with another man or flirt with another man or get another man's attention or sleep
01:45:59
Daphnewith another man if I'm in a relationship I don't need that I don't even want that I think that I don't know why but I feel like men as time goes on and you're with your wife or you're with
01:46:10
Daphneyour woman and there's like you know the woman has kids and she's spending all of her time with her children and then it's the man doesn't get any love or attention I think that that's why
01:46:19
Daphnedivorce rates are so high families are falling part and monogamy is not natural I don't but for me as a woman I'm not I don't care I'm going to be loyal to my
01:46:30
Angeliquehusband I'm going to be 100% obedient and submissive at all times and that's just how I so if you go into a marriage knowing that there's a chance that you're like accepting the fact that this man's going to get bored with you after
01:46:42
Angeliqueyou have his children like you mentioned her children it's their children right like it's his children too if you're like kind of expecting it almost based on like what I'm gathering from your your current position of dating if you were to Mar a man like that honestly it
01:46:54
Angeliqueseems like it wouldn't be shocking at all and therefore that is why the divorce rate is so high but if you enter a marriage both being on the complete same page that divorce is completely off the table that like that's what marriage is about it's not dating dating you can
01:47:06
Angeliquebreak up marriage why are we breaking up the whole point is you're bonded for life so if you both enter that marriage with that understanding you both have that understanding whereas your position seems to be that you have that loyalty
01:47:19
Angeliquebut you're okay with the man not having that loyalty and you kind of expect him to get bored after a few years I wouldn't say that it's not loyal I think it's just biology I I think it's the way that men are engineer very like low view
01:47:32
Angeliqueof men like men are notable of making an emotional connection with you oh they are 100% be loyal to you that's love and lust those are very different but don't you think if a man really loves you he's going to
01:47:43
Daphnebe loyal to you like lov's in action of course of course my man will be loyal to me I know that did you just say that you let him cheat on you that I don't consider cheating as part of loyalty
01:47:53
Sarah Ramirezfrom a man that's the way that I can I I view it can I jump in um say okay and this is coming from the Christian girl you say monogamy is not natural but God
01:48:04
Sarah Ramirezgave adam one wife one wife and they had their kids and then they they each had their own wives and I know in the Old Testament you know everyone used to have a million wives and whatnot but in the
01:48:15
Sarah Ramirezbeginning before all of that God gave adam Eve and you know she kind of like screwed us all over but we're not going to talk about that um but also like if
01:48:24
SPEAKER_07you don't consider that cheating that's all right grid One Motorsports donated $100 as a man married 18 years monogamy
01:48:34
SPEAKER_07is natural and Men Who cheat are low class monogamy is not ruining marriages this idea that women can divorce a man because they are bored and get paid for
01:48:44
Sarah Ramirezit I okay I'll come back to that I just wanted to say like you can have your opinion on what cheating is what cheating not is I mean but why would you want that for yourself like you're putting in all this time
01:48:57
Sarah Ramirezputting in all this effort and he's not giving it back like it doesn't make it doesn't make sense how you can be happy with that if you're putting in all this effort it's like it's like on a scale
01:49:09
Sarah Ramirezyou're doing a lot and he goes and he like treats you as if you're like replaceable and I don't know I think the whole like men are bi like biologically like promiscuous like they should have
01:49:20
Sarah Ramireztheir uh needs fulfilled blah blah blah blah blah blah yes a relationship is give and take yes men do have sexual needs that they need to be satisfied with their partner but once you commit to one person you need to stick to that
01:49:33
Sarah Ramirezcommitment like this is all about uh making choices making decisions and sticking to them I don't care if you have oh my God oh my God I literally like I need to like go hook up with this girl you don't need it okay you want it
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Daphneand you make the conscious decision to go and do it you make a con decision to go and cheat on your partner it's not okay for me I I see where you're coming from it's not okay it's you know that's
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Daphnehow your sense of loyalty is for me if that I I feel like I have I hold this sense of being so submissive that
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Daphnemaybe it rubs I feel like it rubs some people the wrong way if my man wants to go cheat on me and wants to go be with another woman and that would make him happy then I want him to do that I my
01:50:16
Daphneworld revolves around exactly what my man wants and what he needs do you have a high value of yourself like would you say you like have a lot of selfworth I wouldn't necessarily say that I have a lot of selfworth I I think
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DaphneI'm pretty realistic I think one of the big issues with modern dating is that a lot of women have this distorted sense of value they think that they're way more valuable than they really are I
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Daphneknow my value I'm not a virgin I'm not 18 I'm not a 10 out of a 10 I'm not some tall blonde thin you know Swedish girl I know where I stand and I know like my
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Daphneexpectations of what's realistic and what I think that I deserve I'm not saying that I think I'm going to get some high value man I know where I am it's like the food chain in the wild
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Daphnelike there's Lions then you have your gazel and cheetah and there's a whole order to everything and I know where I where I'm at what's most important for you in terms of like what a man brings
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Daphneto the table what I would want a man to bring to the table I need um a sense of control from a man I don't necessarily like making my own decisions I don't
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Daphnereally I think a sense of control I think um dominance I masculinity true masculinity um resources paron resources
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Daphneyou want a man to have resources sure yeah I think resources are important um I have this thing where I I kind of like being a pet in a sense I don't really
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Daphnewant to make my own decisions I just kind of want to be told what to do I look for leadership and guidance um experience intelligence um I think those are really really important also Financial
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Jakestability I think is important I mean I think nobody really wants to work yeah working sucks as much as I um wouldn't necessarily agree I do think that I I don't see any moral inconsistency with what you're saying because in the world
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Jakethat you that we live in right now the dating culture is totally screwed it's awful yeah and if you if you want a guy who's you know masculine and strong and like sort of alpha type guy has
01:52:26
Jakeresources and all of that then you're going to need to probably look at a guy who isn't a Christian or isn't you know a God-fearing man and I look for a man who believes in God as well or a follower of Jesus Christ not necessarily
01:52:38
Jakereligion but belie in Jesus Christ no no offense or anything but like they wouldn't really look at an only fan skill just realistically they might they they might do I mean they might be some out there but realistically with the position that you're in youve put
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Jakeyourself in with doing only fans and and this um it's obviously your choice you've put yourself in a position where you are looking at the sorts of men that would cheat on you because you're not really looking at a at like a man who puts morals and principles before
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Daphneanything you're absolutely right I think the my definition of a high value man is someone who would never even look in my direction that's not what I'm looking for I know what I deserve and I know the kind of man that I will probably end up
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Daphnebeing with and I'm happy with that I'm comfortable with that just because I want these things doesn't mean I know or feel that I deserve them I know that what I've done in the past you know has had a little bit of an effect on the men
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Angeliquethat I would you know bring into my life and I'm okay with that I'm comfortable with that do you think that your value changes based on the things that you do in life like AB you do really bad things but then you change your life are you
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Angeliquejust the same person you were back then or can you change I think that's that's a good question I think that's a pretty vague not not vague sorry a pretty broad question I mean I think if you grew up
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Daphneand you didn't believe in God and then you found God and you changed I think yes that's great but if you killed someone and like then you want to you know say oh sorry I I think can you make
01:54:02
Angeliqueit like a like a specific point like f for example well I just mean in the sense that you mentioned you know your value is and then you listed like your physical appearance your age and like these things that change over time that
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Angeliquearen't innate to like your soul and like who you are as a person um and like when you talk about value towards a man like what a man looks for in you mhm don't you want that man to look towards you like yourself and not like the things
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Daphnethat you are the things that you chose and maybe you can walk away from I do and and you're right there are some things I didn't list I think I mean I make really good food I think that's something that gives me value I love cooking I love cleaning I think the
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Daphnethings that I would bring to the table that aren't necessarily my appearance would be submission obedience really good food um cooking cleaning um I love to listen I take Direction very well I'm
01:54:53
Angeliquea good listener um and then I had one other question for you cuz I was really curious about this you said that you were looking for a man who can control you because you don't want to make your
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Angeliqueown decisions and a man who um like is intelligent right yes but you also said you are totally fine with your man if in some ways it could be good that he goes out and like re receives things from