3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134
Date: 2024-02-07
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Daphne(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_05Venus Vixen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sarah Stock(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Angelique(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Katie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Sarah Ramirez(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:11
IntroVenus Vixen introduces herself as a professional porn actress and OnlyFans creator.
“my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans”
00:08:44
Key MomentSarah Ramirez reveals she has been single her whole life and has only been on one first date.
“I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys”
00:42:12
TopicVenus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist, setting up major capitalism vs communism debate.
“I would say I'm probably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist”
00:45:55
Key MomentJake challenges Venus on communist countries, noting communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.
“communism was responsible for the death of north of a 100 million people in the 20th century”
00:46:12
Key MomentVenus says she lives in a capitalist country so she might as well benefit from it, when challenged on selling content while believing in communism.
“I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could”
00:55:17
IntroAngelique announces she is president of Life Dress, a pro-life nonprofit that hand-paints apparel.
“I am a the president of a nonprofit organization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel”
02:39:39
ControversyDaphne admits to pandering to the audience with her traditional/conservative answers.
“I think that's fair I mean I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this”
02:59:29
Key MomentBody count round reveal: Venus announces ~120 body count (majority from work scenes).
“it's eight four I can give like roundabout sure I 120 120 okay four four eight zero zero zero”
03:59:00
ControversyBrian pulls up Daphne's Instagram reels showing her making out with multiple women and other explicit content, confronting her on claiming to be 'extremely traditional'.
“that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes”
04:01:00
Key MomentDaphne acknowledges her content is not traditional but claims she's growing.
“I wouldn't make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all”
04:05:20
Key MomentBrian offers Daphne a deal: delete OnlyFans and scrub Twitter to prove traditionalism.
“I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your only fans”
04:45:56
ControversyBrian tells Daphne she is not a traditional woman, she is a modern woman, after extended contradiction between her stated values and her content.
“you're a modern woman look I'm not that's fine don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, dating history.
00:15:00
Capitalism vs. Communism/Socialism debate
Venus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist. Jake and Brian debate her on failed communist states, Cuba, North vs South Korea. Ends with Venus acknowledging communism hasn't successfully been implemented.
00:45:00
Abortion debate: pro-life vs. pro-choice
Panel split ~6 pro-life vs 2 pro-choice. Debate on when life begins (conception per biology argument), late-term abortion, legal paternal surrender, rape/incest exceptions. Angelique leads pro-life argument.
01:08:20
Physical attractiveness ratings (1-10 scale)
Guests rate themselves on 1-10 scale. Debate on whether attractiveness is objective or subjective. Discussion of women's prime attractiveness window.
01:25:00
Women's prime / age and attractiveness
Discussion on whether women peak at 18-25. Daphne agrees; Venus thinks she'll be hotter at 30; Katie and Sarah Stock disagree that 30 is past prime.
01:57:00
Body count and mate value
Extended discussion on whether body count affects a woman's value as a partner. Goes around the table. Body count round: Venus ~120 (mostly work), Jake 4, Daphne undisclosed, Sarah R 0, Sarah S 0, Angelique 0, Brian declines.
03:08:20
OnlyFans / porn industry ethics
Debate on whether porn harms relationships, trafficking in the industry, STD testing gaps (herpes/HPV not required). Brian notes porn conversations are repetitive on the show.
03:50:00
Illegal immigration and US border policy
Panel goes around on whether they'd date an illegal immigrant. Discussion of US border, other countries enforcing immigration laws, losing the country.
03:53:20
Traditional values vs. OnlyFans content (Daphne)
Brian confronts Daphne on her Instagram/Twitter content vs. her claim of being 'extremely traditional.' Reviews her public reels showing makeout sessions and suggestive content. Challenges her to delete OnlyFans to prove traditionalism.
04:00:00
2024 election: Trump vs. Biden
Panel votes: Daphne=Trump, Jake=Trump (implied), Sarah Stock=Trump, Alyssa=neither, Katie=won't say (implied Biden), Angelique=neither (pro-life litmus), Venus=implied Biden, Sarah R=skipped.
04:13:20
Dating wild stories / experiences
Brian reads pre-show notes; guests share unusual dating/relationship stories.
04:48:20
Men being pro-choice as a red flag
Sarah Stock argues pro-choice men are a red flag; discussion on what a pro-choice man's stance signals about his values toward women.
04:58:20
Friendship before dating
Discussion on whether couples should be friends before becoming romantic partners.
05:30:00
Engagement rings / marriage proposals
Discussion on whether proposal rings are necessary, diamond industry, kneeling. Guests largely want a proposal and ring.
05:53:20
Female submission / bowing debate
Discussion on whether women would bow to a man as an act of submission. Panel largely declines; Venus notes she'll do more explicit acts for work but not bow to a partner.
06:05:00
Feminism debate
Brian argues feminism is about securing benefits for women, not equality. Discussion on women in military service and selective service registration.
Transcript
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05:40:33
Brian Atlasguys you guys want a guy to get down on his knee you want to to kneel and I think kneeling that's way Lamer than a bow a kneel what does that mean there's so many different like traditional
05:40:47
Angeliquethings that don't actually equate to reality like for example there's a tradition of like women wearing white on the wedding day but men don't necessarily wear white but there's no reason why the
05:40:55
Brian Atlasactual actual movement think of the actual movement bro it's way more weak to submissive getting kneeling
05:41:05
Jakeyou're looking up oh baby it is gay kneeling kneeling yeah kneeling I think you ask the you ask the woman's father for her hand in marriage and then that's it what's that you agree to it no
05:41:16
Jakekneeling and then you buy the wedding ring and father what's the what's that c about kneeling I'd rather you you ask the woman's father for her hand
05:41:27
Katiemarriage no that's what I'd do but you only kneel once right but the bow would be and that Neil the knil forever forever means a
05:41:38
Sarah Stocksubmission to your wife it's like begging on your kneese can I do one bow and that be the to be fair that is the one time the man puts himself in that position and it's a pretty important so
05:41:51
Brian Atlasthat's like why it's significant because he's puring the woman he's when she divorces him he's on both knees he is broken I thought you me he broken by the woman he actually never
05:42:02
Jakegets up off that knee he never gets up he stays on that knee the whole time At Last At Last hold on
05:42:12
Brian Atlassecond he gets down on both knees because he is broken by the woman the white man knee at
05:42:25
Brian Atlaslast the white woman breaks the white man's Spirit what am I doing I I'm channeling
05:42:35
Brian Atlassomething might get me CAU can here um she you divorce the man you divorce the man and then he ends up on both
05:42:46
Sarah Stockknees why are you so pessimistic Brian who hurt you well I'll tell you that
05:42:54
Brian Atlasuh here's the thing right uh when a woman even if she's
05:43:03
Brian Atlasreligious when uh if she chooses she can a woman woman even if she's Christian even even if she's Catholic she reserves the right at any time to become a
05:43:15
Brian Atlasfeminist and then divorce the man and then she can get alimony and all these other things and financially ruin him and
05:43:27
Brian Atlasuh it's not about who hurt me it's about seeing that when religious women get divorces they don't go to God they don't go to their priest they don't
05:43:38
Brian Atlasgo to a pastor they don't go to the church the state presides over your marriage not your religion and you will seek recourse
05:43:49
Brian Atlasthrough the state and the state is going to say well community property alimony so I'm good I'll pass on marriage good
05:44:01
Brian Atlastalk do you have any do you have any suggestions on how uh religions intend to um uh address the absolute Corruption of
05:44:12
Sarah Stockthe state of the family court system in this country well actually Christian marriages like the highest statistic of people who stay together are a man woman who pray together every single night
05:44:23
Brian Atlaslike there's statistics that show like Christians who are actually practicing their faith they stay married well the stud have the least marital problem the study you're referencing about like
05:44:34
Brian Atlassomething like 1% of or um the divorce rate is 1% among uh Christian couples who pray together I don't know how frequently they pray but they pray
05:44:44
SPEAKER_07together I believe that was done in the 1990 DUS estimated $100 Alysa is marriage material modestly dressed conservative feminine and
05:44:56
SPEAKER_07apparently humorous with the curtsy I throw my hat in for position of husband number three coffee and chat for our first date do you accept like coffee are you
05:45:08
Brian Atlasmore of a tea you I'm a hot chocolate type of girl hot hot cocoa if he are you down though can by the way I want to just say Dustin um he
05:45:18
Brian Atlashe saved me from a uh like a raccoon attack once yeah that was crazy yeah was wild so I cosign has a charity for lost
05:45:27
Brian Atlasdogs yep we'll see oh so the study you referenced I believe it was in the early 1990s which was over 30 years ago very
05:45:37
Brian Atlaslong time ago uh a lot has changed in the culture since then chiefly social media dating apps and the proliferation of uh only fans right
05:45:51
Brian Atlasso the dating Marketplace the landscape hellscape has totally changed so the study that you referenced is is so outdated I don't think it can apply to a
05:46:02
Sarah Stockmodern day um I think that if you're like a Christian with a relationship with God and that's what your marriage is based on you're not going to be participating in only fans sorry that right but and
05:46:15
Sarah Stockyou're not going to be you know watching porn or like that's what having a relationship with God is if you're actually pursuing your faith and taking it seriously so I don't think those types of marriages have a high chance in divorce but I know you're an atheist so
05:46:29
Brian Atlasyou probably do have a high chance of divorce Brian am I an atheist I from what you've said on this show he's been reading he's been reading I look I I'm man of God however but you don't have to get
05:46:41
Brian Atlasmarried I don't think anyone has to get married or anything I'm a man I am a man of God however the state of marriage is untenable for men in the
05:46:51
Angeliquewest and women no well where do you look for the women that you're pursuing where do I look going to different yeah so if you if you're only
05:47:03
SPEAKER_07looking at the women around this table like every time you have a show donated $100 yeah Alysa seems okay I'm a Chad engineer that likes demeaning my GFS can
05:47:15
AlyssaI get in line for husband number four wow Alissa is really popular no okay she's have you sworn off marriage is it are you just done with marriage I'm I Jesus would have to walk
05:47:28
Jakeme down the aisle at this point guys grow a beard and grow your hair out that's the only way um yeah I mean who said passport Bros was
05:47:40
Jakethat you I've been referred to as a passport bro many times really for coming to the I thought people are fing last year for example I traveled to like maybe like 20 different countries or so and I did do a little bit of dating uh
05:47:52
Jakehere and there and then people often ask me what's the mo what is the best sort of nationality for a woman and I've come to the conclusion that it's a woman who fears God that's it because if you date
05:48:03
Jakean atheist woman then she just doesn't have the sense of accountability and she doesn't understand the relationship between man and woman she doesn't understand what it means to be in that unity and but if you date Christian
05:48:15
Jakewomen they're really aware of it like really lucidly aware of it so I'd say that you're probably right about that but I mean maybe this this study would have um been bit Yeah marriage is like a really difficult thing so honestly I
05:48:28
Brian Atlasjust don't see if you don't have God at the center of your relationship yeah I think it has a really high chance of failing for both sides well I mean I can think of some examp but uh I it's not
05:48:38
Brian Atlasclear to me if uh even people who are devoutly religious at anytime you can always change your view on things you
05:48:49
Jakecan always you as women you reserve the right to become a raging liberal feminist at any point in your life you'd mess up so if you if you were with a really Christian woman for example like a woman who's waiting for marriage and
05:49:02
Jakethen a few years down the line she becomes a raging feminist you are a terrible like read of character mhm because it like those values are something that are really sort of fundamental to the person and it takes
05:49:14
Jakelike a lifetime of training to sort of get yourself there and to then turn it around it' be like a massive spiritual shift for that person I mean chance of that happening so I don't think your argument is very valid like you're just talking like yeah a person can become
05:49:27
Brian Atlasanything with time but why can you Google the divorce rates amongst among the various religious groups I'm just curious you mentioned before like nominal yeah like I don't even think those
05:49:39
Sarah Stockstatistics would be valid I'm talking about an actual spiritual relationship with God where they're pursuing it anyone can say they're Christian or even go to church and they can still you know be watching porn on the side look that's
05:49:49
Brian Atlasfine the reality is is that the divorce industry is a I don't know if it's it's a billion dollar industry um there's you can pull it up
05:49:59
Brian AtlasNick uh could you make it a little bigger and make us smaller yeah that's probably a little easier marital status can you make it bigger yeah
05:50:11
Brian Atlasuh that's fine uh Buddhist oh divorced okay scroll down Evangelical Pro wait but hold on scroll up What's
05:50:22
Brian Atlasthe title of this marital status is there something just for well keep it here um divorced 14% for Protestant
05:50:32
Brian Atlasnext Hindu small historically black Protestant 19 Jehovah's Witness 12 Jewish n Mainline Protestant seven
05:50:42
Brian AtlasMuslim 8 Mormon 7 unaffiliated religious nuns is unaffiliated atheist or yeah religious nuns usually
05:50:53
SPEAKER_07means like unaffiliated they're less snake donated $100 for the Rings I bought my wife a
05:51:02
SPEAKER_07$400 ring after X years of marriage I got her a $30,000 ring she was with me when I was grinding and she's rewarded when we're coasting Golding to your own
05:51:14
Brian Atlasgrave and gold ding to your own grave and gold ding gold digging gold dig probably gold digging by my wife okay that's nice of him he you know he upgraded the ring I
05:51:27
Angeliquedon't think it's gold digging to want a man who's financially stable enough to afford fa you can be financially stable and then if anything it show your financial like stability by choosing to
05:51:40
Angeliquelike buy something that's less expensive because you know it's not yeah it's practical cuz like you don't need a $10,000 ring but like you could have 10 grand in the bank but it's like I'm not going to spend that on a ring I'll spend it on something useful you know what I mean like especially if no one's bowling
05:51:52
Angeliquein the situation you know yeah but you can be well off enough to get married and like provide and have a family and a house all these things and not give someone a ring that's more than it's necessary I don't know I would just
05:52:03
Angeliquequestion if a guy can really afford to you know pay for part of a wedding a house you would know that you could know his finances yeah you would know his finances without being like Oh if you can't afford $ ring that means you don't
05:52:14
Sarah Stockhave well I would just think he doesn't care that much also if if he's in his uh like if he spends like 100 I'm not even saying I think he should spend 10,000 I think that's ridiculous I'm just saying a $100 just seems kind of tacky but if
05:52:25
Jakehe's in his mid to late 20s um there's also an element of investment there you want to sort of back a good horse because if he's a guy who has potential in 10 years time to be something quite special and women can normally sort of that then that's a good investment as
05:52:38
Jakewell whereas in in their 20s they might not be but they might have a really Fierce entrepreneurial fire about them that you can see but it's probably better to go for a guy like that that doesn't have as much money now but he's got a lot of ambition than a guy who's sort of just coasting into sort of a
05:52:50
Sarah Stockceiling job so it's another thing to think about I would agree but I also think you probably shouldn't get married to a woman if you couldn't like potentially provide for a house absolutely but that isn't that's not
05:53:03
Sarah Stockpart of the Ring question though like would you personally buy a $10,000 object when did I say 10,000 okay sorry like $1,000 I'm just saying not $100 like I'm saying not because when I think of $100 I think you go to Walmart and
05:53:16
Sarah Stocklike there's just no thought effort put into that at all like I want a man who wants to put effort and you know get me something nice like you only get one I mean the I guess you can say oh I'm upgrading the ring later but it's a
05:53:28
Angeliquestill like a pretty special thing I'd want a man to put a little bit more effort cheap low effort no I age I think it should the effort should be shown in the ring and how like they pick it out like it actually matches who you are
05:53:41
Angeliqueobviously you've heard the stories of like guys getting a girl like a gold ring and she only wears silver her whole life and it's just like oh you don't know me well that's a different conversation than like did you spend x amount of money equals your love for me
05:53:52
Brian Atlasyou know what I mean true look if you if you love each other you don't need to spend um tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding ring to show it uh if you
05:54:03
Brian Atlasdon't love each other no amount of money will change or improve your relationship and the whole wedding ring thing these holidays or you know Valentine's Day which is coming up it's got nothing to
05:54:14
Brian Atlasdo with love I mean it's just a commercial gimmick that's manufactured by corporations compelling men Sometimes women too to spend money on things they neither need nor
05:54:27
Angeliquewant and I think it's counter it's actually counterproductive too cuz it almost makes it sound like men should only be romantic on this random day that like Hallmark decides rather than like you should just be romantic all the time
05:54:39
Brian Atlaslike like don't let's get back to the Bowing though let's get back to the Bowing okay first off look again again I got to tackle this y'all want to do to kneel but you won't bow we could talk
05:54:52
Brian Atlasabout what we're giving him like we're giving him CH like we're literally using our bodies what's that quote from who's the what's the quote with the whole I'd rather live on my knee wait what is it i' rather rather die on my feet than
05:55:04
Brian Atlaslive on my knees I'd rather die on my feet than live on on my knees who said that chat anybody like three seconds what is the proposal a bow is like nothing though loose
05:55:15
SPEAKER_07energy donated $100 these feminists have such a problem with bowing but will let Chad's SL Tyrone's nut on their faces you stole
05:55:24
SPEAKER_07this fromed to being 20 cats Brian Abdul is sending a large order of rocks # fic number8 at 18 get the Rocks I don't
05:55:36
Sarah RamirezAbdul yeah get the Rocks get the Rocks free Nick Fair because the people who are answering that question the ones that are in that industry I I coined this a
05:55:48
Brian Atlascouple shows ago but you well you'll have women typically like more liberal women who like but they're feminist right who like I Don't Need No Man and
05:55:57
Brian Atlaslike would never be like recoil at the thought of being submissive to a man or um doing a bow for example not even a bow they just don't they want to be
05:56:10
Brian Atlasindependent boss babes they they're not open to following a man's lead being submissive whatever they will gladly let a
05:56:20
Brian Atlasman come on their face though what the like I just want to Bow but oh you'll let a dude
05:56:29
Brian Atlasblast like would you bow you would bow yeah honestly somebody asked me like yeah I mean I can be like pretty submissive like I don't okay all right it doesn't apply to you but there's
05:56:41
Brian Atlasdefinitely like women out there who are like wanted you to come on their face but oh no he wants a bow an innocent bow that's where they draw that's where they draw the
05:56:53
Venus Vixenline I love the bow thing everybody is very upset with the Bowing I don't know I know I think it's kind of hot like the Bowing thing like I think it could be like a hot thing I don't know all right she's redeemed her the
05:57:04
AngeliqueCommunist has redeemed her but you also don't have like mutual respect views with your partner right like they you're out with other guys while he's at home so like I feel like that opinion it only goes so far in the sense of like what
05:57:17
Brian Atlasyou would or wouldn't do it's okay it's a w you have you got a w on this one I hate to do this but I have like a really long drive oh we are give us five minutes we're going to I promise we're wrapping up here in just a sec I didn't want to be that yeah no I'm I'm just
05:57:30
Brian Atlasgoing to read a couple things and then we're going to wrap uh Curtis Leon Brian in keeping with the oh hold on let me pull it up Brian in keeping with the show theme today you are sentenced to Soviet goog for 10 years but you can get released if
05:57:42
Brian Atlasyou breed Leila and she gets to broadcasted live on her o would you do it I mean this is such a Curtis you send me these scenario he he DMS me once a
05:57:53
Brian Atlasweek these scenarios with this girl named Lila who's been on the show who I she just I mean I've turned her down uh it was she was doing a bit but
05:58:03
Brian Atlasbasically she's done uh content with a man she's had sex with a man on camera and for me that's a deal breaker like you there's no going back
05:58:13
Brian Atlasfrom that so um he's asking me what if I was would I have sex with her if I was in
05:58:21
Brian Atlasa Soviet prison camp for 10 yes I would to get out of 10 years of hard labor in a Soviet goog in the in the
05:58:33
Brian Atlaswhere's the cold area of of Russia Siberia thank you uh yes I would I would have intercourse with with Leila
05:58:43
Brian Atlasdisgusting wait what's disgusting you would do that you would give away your soul bro send this girl to the Co legs let's see what she's let's see
05:58:54
Brian Atlaswhat she's ready to do to get out that yes I would have I would have sexual intercourse and he said breed so yes I would I suppose I would impregnate uh that would be another form of slavery I
05:59:06
Brian Atlassuppose Little Brian running around little little little little Brian okay um but yes I would really you wouldn't
05:59:16
Brian Atlasdo the trade she'd be offering it up on a you're Siberian hard labor camp never I don't even know who that is how I'm trying to think what would be
05:59:29
Brian Atlasthe correspond if it was Brian what the wow that's a thanks Jake thank you appreciate it Soviet goag it
05:59:43
Brian Atlasis I got to push back a little bit on this hold on so you're okay just as to debate you wouldn't have
05:59:53
Brian Atlasyou you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with me to to get out to get out of Siberian hard labor prison are you marrying me first yeah sure why not okay
06:00:06
Brian AtlasI'll I do it then oh so that's that's the that's the the the what's it called he said sure why not not I guess I can marry you um provisa get her a good
06:00:18
Brian Atlasring should we open this up to the ladies like would you ladies no to get out of hard labor bro these it just doesn't make you know
06:00:29
Brian Atlaswhat's funny I've done like I I did a social experiment way back in the day where i' I I had like legit $1,000 cash on me and well I'd go the social
06:00:42
Brian Atlasexperiment was as a woman are you willing to shave your head for $1,000 oh never right no I I don't think that's totally unreasonable but like when when I that's all I had on me for the social experiment to see if any women like
06:00:54
Brian Atlasliterally here's cash pay you a th bucks dudes dudes would do that for a hamburger um they probably do for free yeah free haircut let's go uh
06:01:05
Brian Atlasbut then I like I hypothetically kept bumping it up and there were literally women who said they would not shave their head for a million dollars I kid you not which to
06:01:16
Brian Atlasme is like the most no offense ladies is like the most brain dead how like you wouldn't shave your head for million and then I asked them well what do you do for work oh I I'm a
06:01:27
Brian Atlasserver I make $17 an hour I'm like so you're saying you're you would what would take 10 minutes of time and you could buy the fanciest wig and
06:01:38
Brian Atlasyou would regrow within a couple years you'd be how much would it how much does it take someone to make let's say you make $50,000 a year that's 20 years of
06:01:49
Brian AtlasLabor that you I'm sorry some of you okay it's just that a thousand is different than a million no but they turn down the hypothetical million they wouldn't even do it they would not Buzz their hair off for a million dollars and
06:02:00
JakeI want to go around the table on this would you buzz your hair off for a million dollars yeah okay all right I probably should have asked that first before I made
06:02:10
JakeM yes there's wigs yes it goes back 100% sure yeah I shaved my head in high school so okay Britney Spear's over here yes I
06:02:21
Brian Atlaswould I shouldn't have gone on my whole that's too easy that's too easy I'm not kidding you though I never released the footage cuz it was kind of like a dumbass idea like oh let's see
06:02:32
Brian Atlasuh it's fine but we have the footage like almost every single woman when we asked for a million would you and they said no and I was like okay all right I don't know how I
06:02:44
Brian Atlashow did we get there what were we talking about having sex the okay yeah this is crazy me like yeah you would you say it but you'd probably have yeah okay whatever uh okay we have
06:02:57
Brian Atlassleepy bear a ring does not reflect wealth you know if your fiance is financially stable long before ring I bought my wife a prairie diamond for $3 she wears it with pride hey sleepy bear
06:03:08
Brian Atlasappreciate it man thank you very much we have Fally coming in here in just a
06:03:18
Brian Atlassec Fally my bad not that Lila commands respect with the stuff she said on the panel but my apologies for the butchering the name have a good night y'all what's this in reference to I'm
06:03:29
Brian Atlasnot sure yo F appreciate it man thank you thank you we have CJ here CJ here's how you can tell tell Daphne is fake AF Google her off handle no account needed it says she's
06:03:42
Brian Atlascurrently online her post account increased during the show she's making enough to pay a management company to con simps explain how that's not
06:03:53
SPEAKER_07fraud I don't have a manager oh Hunter donated $100 my guy are you rapping it up or not you said you were 20 minutes ago you're
06:04:03
SPEAKER_07just reaching now wow the girl girls probably have to get home long I just got to do these chats I don't know what to say to that why don't you just stop watching like you don't have to uh did
06:04:15
SPEAKER_10you want to did you want to respond to CJ here I don't know I don't know what to say I mean do you have a typer no I don't know what to say to
06:04:25
Brian Atlasthat okay all right Aaron Chambers shout out from Tuscaloosa Alabama we may be from the South but we know what a man or woman is I don't join tribes but when I do I vote Trump 2024 California
06:04:36
Brian Atlasis the ideolog state no critical thinking I was 12E Democrat then I grew up Aaron Chambers thank you are you talking about
06:04:46
Brian Atlascomifornia cforia is that or California stand as I like to call it thank you man appreciate it okay uh last things here before we wrap um for the Communist do you have any other hot
06:04:59
Brian Atlastakes no question for you what is a
06:05:09
Venus Vixenwoman um someone who presents as a woman someone who identifies as a woman can you can you define that without using the word
06:05:21
Brian Atlaswoman like can you define woman without using the word woman no I guess just someone who identifies a
06:05:31
Brian Atlasso okay okay I'm going to do a rapid fire last some hot takes from me rapid fire and then we're going to wrap up the show
06:05:42
Brian Atlasand then I want you guys to uh respond if you have to um wait hold on and do you do you have a heart out like no no I'm just you can you go for another 5 10 minutes you good I know I said five
06:05:53
Brian Atlasminutes five minutes ago but that's okay I swear I swear okay hold on uh let's see okay if anybody disagrees with any of the following
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Brian Atlasfeminism is not about equality it's about securing benefits for women anyone want to argue with me on that false I mean if you're talking about modern F feminism then then maybe
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Angeliquebut true feminism is not they're hijacking when was it true feminism in the very beginning the very fundamental purpose of feminism what's the definition of feminism I disagree though what's theun what's the
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Brian Atlasdefinition of feminism sure well okay I'll give you the most generous definition half of it now what I actually think feminism is is quite frankly a man-hating ideology sure I can agree that that's what modern feminists
06:06:45
Sarah Ramirezfeminist I think it's always been that way but um always what yeah always what happened in the always look up senica Falls you think women wanting to vote is like
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Brian Atlasanti-men no that's not what I said I said feminism has and is anti- has been and is anti-man you think get started off that way like absolutely do you
06:07:07
Brian Atlasthink we should repeal the 19th no I'm I'm uh I'm not that hardcore I I'm uh I believe women should have the right to vote however speaking of the 19th Amendment which is kind of related to
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Brian Atlasyou're saying that you know so the definition oh so okay the most generous definition I give feminism is feminism is a woman's advocacy
06:07:31
Brian Atlasmovement it's notoc it's never been about equality for what women's it's been about women's advocacy now feminism is is not about equality and
06:07:43
Brian Atlashere's why feminists will only pursue equality if said equality stands to benefit women if if they were they will not pursue some form of equality if that
06:07:55
Brian Atlasequality uh could conceivably or otherwise would be to the detriment of women here's a perfect example in Florida the National Organization for
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Brian AtlasWomen and one of the leading feminist uh organizations very mainstream feminist organizations uh fought against a bill to I believe it was to equalize uh child
06:08:16
Brian Atlascustody between both parents that would be equality uh that's one example let's go back to for example you mentioned the 19th Amendment women were able to secure the right to vote without the
06:08:27
Brian Atlascorresponding responsibility which was the Genesis of men getting the right to vote which was their milit their their being subject to forced military conscription for the longest period of
06:08:39
Brian Atlashuman history men didn't have the right to vote either men got the right to vote before women because they had more responsibilities than women did through forced military conscription what
06:08:51
Brian Atlashappened right before women got the right to vote can anybody tell me please in the in the 1910s prohibition like Amendment order okay n look from n
06:09:02
Brian Atlasuh from 1914 to 1918 what happened World War I Jake kind of sorry preempted that but that's fine that's fine okay so it's very convenient that women waited until
06:09:13
Brian Atlasafter one of the most deadly and brutal Wars to secure their to uh secure their right to vote well really men pushing for women to vote weren't women what the SE suff Jets want to tell us I don't
06:09:26
Angeliquethink that we should men and women are different that's it doesn't mean that they shouldn't have the right to vote just because they don't have the same exact exact responsibilities as men do the other thing
06:09:36
Brian AtlasSociety P taxes if we're talking about if you're talking about like on a more like social level perhaps I agree with you however
06:09:45
Brian Atlaswhat is what is put down by the government this I I'm failing how you can make an
06:09:56
Brian Atlasargument that women are should have a right provided to them by the government without the corresponding responsibility that enabled men to have access to the vote which was through forced military
06:10:08
Brian Atlasconscription and to this day in order for a man to be able to vote in 2024 he must register with the selective service if he doesn't it's a felony if he
06:10:19
Brian Atlasdoesn't it's a $250,000 fine it would uh it would preclude you from getting certain federal jobs certain government jobs it would preclude you from getting
06:10:28
Brian Atlasfinancial aid if you wanted to uh you know be able to go to school so feminism has always attempted to secure privileges for women without the
06:10:41
Brian Atlascorresponding responsibilities do you not support the woman's right to vote or do you I do but you were able to secure it you were able to secure it without the core responsibility which is the
06:10:53
Brian AtlasGenesis of feminism I'm ask I asked that for a reason because I want to know why you support a woman's right to vote because it occurs to me that that's the egalitarian thing and I'm an egalitarian so it is a good thing the women have the right to vote yeah so
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Angeliqueyou're trying to get me on a Goa but I believe women should have the right to vote now you should what do you mean why well you're arguing that there's some there isn't a corresponding responsibility and therefore that's why women shouldn't have had the right to vote at that time but now I'm I'm asking
06:11:20
Brian Atlasyou if if you agree with that stance then why do you support a women's right to vote now well I it's not that I think we need to walk back women's right to vote I
06:11:30
Angeliquethink it's an injustice that you did not that women were not made subject to military conscription I can understand that you would you would feel that way I just feel like there's differences in men and women and the right to vote
06:11:42
Angeliqueshouldn't be entirely based on that prescription it absolutely should I don't think it should be because there's other responsibilities as a citizen that you would have if you should still have the right to to speak in our politics
06:11:52
Brian Atlaswhat government so so explain to me what is the corresponding government force that is placed on
06:12:03
Brian Atlaswomen that coincide that is in some conceivable way commensurate to force military conscription explain it to me there isn't one I've already already pointed out there's other
06:12:15
Angeliqueresponsibilities that women have citizens femin still allow them the right to vote we're we're still citizens in this country that so we should have the right to vote for other reasons besides just
06:12:26
Brian Atlasone which is the militant prescription but there is no women don't have a corresponding there's not there's not even a social
06:12:36
Brian Atlasthere's not even a civil like a what's the term for uh the civil service women don't even have to do that and I'm telling there's a reason that doesn't what is the reason explain the reason to me we're different men and women are
06:12:48
Angeliquedifferent but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the equal to feminists but I'm not making that argument not I'm not a modern Fein fake feminist they're not true feminists they stand for putting men down and claiming that we
06:12:59
Angeliqueshould have more rights than men that's not feminism So when you say feminist I literally don't hear hear modern feminist I hear original feminism which had a very specific and very simple goal
06:13:11
Brian Atlasto have equality with men in the law and that was the right to vote right but and to eventually like have a debit card and have a job and do certain things that when in today's society there's no right that a man has
06:13:23
Angeliquethat the woman does corre except I've already explained this before but except for the right to life we don't have equal right to life okay we already talked about that but again so my
06:13:33
Angeliqueposition on this is that military conscription ought to be equalized women should be subject to military conscription do you think having women be the military like forced into combat
06:13:45
Angeliqueand deployed is an idea if they're not even like no but here's the difference
06:13:50
Brian Atlasum first off uh Man created uh excuse me God created when is it the holy I'm sorry guys I'm butchering it uh God
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Brian Atlascreated man unequally Smith and Wesson uh SMI holy how am I I'm sorry guys Nick can you Google it I've already butchered it maybe somebody in the chat
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Brian Atlaswhat's the whole Equalization with Smith Smith and Wesson um women are cap women make excellent snipers women are capable of I don't disagree on no no no no but hold on I I will grant you that yes
06:14:25
Brian Atlasabsolutely there are differences between men and women I think though for if if you want to be equals women should be subject to military conscription and they can be in support role r s but not allowing women
06:14:38
Angeliqueto be subject to mil military conscription is a great Injustice I could I could see myself being convinced of that you make a good point on that in that aspect but when you're talking about like Deployable and like the men
06:14:50
Angeliqueand women are the same in this regard that they should they should both do that in order to have the right to vote I don't agree with but I could I could get on board with the last thing you said but then who are we fighting for if we're all just at War know's home well there's there's people of typically the
06:15:02
Brian Atlasdrafting age I I don't know the exact drafting they're not drafting like 35y olds they're draft they if there was a draft they're drafting 18 19 20 kids why would you take away both parents well I'll
06:15:15
Brian Atlastell you this much if there was if there was a draft a lot of women would all of a sudden start getting pregnant and actually a funny thing even women who are volunteers in the
06:15:25
Brian Atlasmilitary as soon as that deployment notice comes all of a sudden a lot of women get pregnant maybe because those design no you get a lot of a lot of female
06:15:38
Brian Atlassoldiers get pregnant intentionally to avoid deployment look I just don't think that equates to the right to vote but what do you do what do you mean what do I do
06:15:50
Angeliquewe're still we're you can't argue are you're not even talking about the points I'm making where we we pay taxes we're citizens those are still like completely equal situations that we have with
06:16:00
Brian Atlasmen have an equal right of say Politics as a man any man in the country in order to be able to vote you need to be subject to military conscription yes and
06:16:11
Brian Atlaswe are different no yes we are not in this regard well we are women ought to be subject to no there's not women yes but you guys did away with that feminists
06:16:23
Angeliquedid away with it hey don't blame it on me yeah that's not that's not real feminism that's not an accurate representation of feminism feminism today says all the kind of things that are the antithesis of equality so I
06:16:33
Brian Atlasdon't believe that modern day feminist women can function in the military I don't think that we should be putting women on the front lines but women can be in support roles I already told you I I could agree with that right and you
06:16:47
Brian Atlasshould be subject to military conscription and the draft and if there ever is one you can be in a support Brian I have a question who voted in the 19th Amendment men or women how's that
06:16:57
Sarah Stockto how's that because couldn't even vote it in so men did this why' you do that why' you give well because you're saying pre I mean I mean honestly because obviously because only men could vote so
06:17:09
Sarah Stockit was men who brought in the 19 Amendment at the time so you did this to us who's I mean I don't I don't believe in viewing it as this like you guys know that like the original feminists were
06:17:21
Sarah Stockvehemently anti-christian yeah honestly I think it was fine before wom could vote I would be totally fine with that if everything say the same because at that time it was like the man was voting for the household the whole doctrine of like
06:17:33
Jakeanti of of feminism in the early days was very anti-christian they thought that they wanted to destroy Christianity because they thought that the only way to liberate the the woman was to destroyed Christianity that's not true
06:17:44
Jakefor all early feminists there might have lot of feminist they were also but if you look at like like you can like I've recorded in this book before there's a book called occult feminism by Rachel
06:17:55
JakeWilson and she goes through all of the basically like the major early suffragettes and feminists vehemently anti-christian much of many of them actually practiced a lot of like
06:18:05
JakeWitchcraft and and like blood magic and all that sort of stuff and a lot of them um married very powerful men like like your Rockefellers and these sorts of guys who would then go and fund these movements to to with with the intention
06:18:18
Jakein mind of destroying Christianity and creating a new world religion it's all very well documented So when you say you ideologically align with the early feminists would you say that you ideologically align with those people or
06:18:28
Angeliqueis there anyone in particular who you can who I say I align with the original version of feminism much the original version of feminism ithy yeah I don't exactly I don't align with specific
06:18:40
Angeliquefeminists who were everything the antithesis of feminism I'm talking about the original feminism yeah exactly sus Anthony it's perfect example of someone who was a true feminist who actually stood free equality was pro-life and
06:18:52
Angeliquesaid in we don't need abortion to be equal to men but we should have some level of equality in the law and have a right to vote because our vote matters
06:19:02
Brian Atlasand our voices matter yeah but okay so should it there okay here's why men got the right to vote before women and again for the vast majority of human history
06:19:14
Brian Atlasboth men and women didn't have access to vote you had kings and queens and tyrants and monarchs and all this sort of thing so one of the reasons men got access to the vote before women and it
06:19:25
Brian Atlaswas for a very short period of human history uh women caught up very quickly again it because of military conscription if your representatives
06:19:35
Brian Atlascould send just you to war then and not women that was the that was the basis of why men got the right to vote before women I understand that but we're talking about a different
06:19:48
Angeliquebasis for women you can look at other countries and say that you know there's not a right to vote for women for other specific reasons and do you agree with a woman not having the right to vote like that's what I'm saying I can't I don't
06:19:59
Angeliqueknow can't speak to the specifics of those countries but that's what makes us unique as un States of America is that we do value freedom of spe you keep trying to get me in a gotcha again I'll reiterate again yes I think women should
06:20:11
Brian Atlasvote but I it's I'm not trying I'm not trying to walk back the women's right to V I'm trying to say it's an injustice
06:20:21
SPEAKER_07$100 she just said you did this to us really men did this to themselves not you you got included when you got the
06:20:30
Brian Atlasright to vote men voted men in tell me you don't know what ological fallacy is look the reality is um I believe I
06:20:40
Brian Atlasdon't know thank you uh satch 88 the reality is I mean there I do think eventually the I forgot the there there's some they've they've tried to
06:20:51
Brian Atlasbring legal cases against this uh discrimination against men when it comes to uh the military draft they frankly it needs to be uh equalized are you against
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Angeliquethat I against it no I I could see myself supporting it I already I already told you that about your the the position that so what are weing about well I said that I said hypothetically I could agree with you but but I still I
06:21:16
Angeliquestill think that we're talking about the difference between the original decision that women had the right to vote and then you're talking about like a modern day fix to women being like drafted and everything so we're we're kind of
06:21:28
Brian Atlastalking about two different no but okay this all stemmed from me saying that feminism is not a true equality movement it only seeks to secure uh Privileges and preferential treatment for women so
06:21:39
Brian Atlasyou okay do you think that rights come with responsibilities and duties absolutely okay women were able to secure a right without a corresponding Duty that okay corresponding to men but
06:21:51
Angeliquecorresponding to the United States government we are citizens we pay taxes we have a right to speak and under the Constitution yes and under the Govern respons under the government I can't I I don't know how
06:22:03
Angeliqueelse to explain this doesn't have to be equal to to the yes it does though it does we're different the equality of the right to vote shouldn't be gender based there there's lit what's there's a the
06:22:15
Brian Atlasthere's a clause I don't know if it's in the Constitution or an amendment but the anti is it an anti-discrimination hold on the anti-discrimination
06:22:28
Brian Atlasanti-discrimination no taxation without representation flaws in the Constitution uh what time is it trying to find it hold
06:22:41
Brian Atlason this whole Trope like then shouldn't we just make the argu we could just as easily make the argument that men and women are different air go women should not have the right to vote I already agree with you about your
06:22:54
Brian Atlasconscription prescription but if your position is that men and women are different and that that youth you have this women are you know damsels in distress and they're not capable of
06:23:05
Angeliqueproviding providing or assisting in the war effort then at that time in history that's what happened so we're either arguing that like what happened was wrong and then therefore you don't agree
06:23:17
Brian Atlaswith the women's right to vote based on how it happened or you do and that's the reality of it the women have the right to vote well I can't go back and undo history but like but would you if you could no again I you keep trying to get
06:23:29
Brian Atlasme in aacha here but I'm in favor I'm in favor of women voting okay but you don't want them to vote unless they have that same prescription as it's curious to me that women were
06:23:40
Brian Atlasable to secure a right without the corresponding
06:23:47
Angeliqueresponsibility it could be curious but that's just what happened and I think there there's still good reasons to have a right to vote even if you're not part of that that I paay taxes I want to be
06:23:58
Angeliqueable to vote on on how high those taxes are there's other reasons to that you have respons posties as a citizen to have the right to vote than just so are men second class citizens no they're not well AB they absolutely are under the
06:24:10
Angeliqueunder this current setup they have a different conscript conscription than we do right now but there is no corresponding uh
06:24:20
Brian Atlasgovernment force that that is that W like there's no civil service for women there is nothing enforced by the government on women that corresponds to males duty to register with a
06:24:32
Angeliqueselective service and be subject to military conscription right which is why I agreed with your your suggestion to do that otherwise we could also just get rid of it entirely obviously that's just aist view but I you okay you offered
06:24:44
Brian Atlasthis up in rebuttal to me saying that feminism yes has never been about equality it's been about SEC uh women's
06:24:54
Brian Atlasadvocacy and securing benefits for women would you agree that women being able to get the right to vote is a benefit I think I think it's a moral
06:25:05
Brian Atlasit's a responsibility it's a right it can benefit you it can't benefit you it's notar directly a benefit okay so am I wrong to state that
06:25:17
Brian Atlaswomen were able to secure the vote without the corresponding responsibility of being subject to military conscription the way that mended that's a historical fact so
06:25:28
Brian Atlasregardless of whether men and women are different which I agree with you we are you're you're offering that up in rebuttal to my statement that feminists attempt to
06:25:39
Angeliquesecure rights for women without any core responding responsibility that's one example if you want we could talk about other things besides voting we spent all this time on voting do you have any other examples of things that women are
06:25:50
Brian Atlastrying to fight for I'm trying to think if there's anything else uh well I gave you the uh Na the uh National Organization of Women example
06:26:01
Brian Atlaswh uh feminist organizations will fre quently fight uh when it comes to like the family court system they'll fight for uh presumed 50-50 custody for example yeah I don't I don't necessarily
06:26:14
Angeliqueagree or disagree with that I mean I I haven't really looked into that as much but I don't think that one feminist organization of our modern day is representative of a true feminist
06:26:25
Brian Atlasmovement okay but again I said that my view of feminism feminis feminism is not inequality move movement because it's always about
06:26:36
Angeliquesecuring benefits for women what do you think is the current modern modern feminist view is that the same thing do you don't think that what are yes because here here's why what would be equality equalizing
06:26:49
Angeliquemilitary conscription in this country correct that's pretty much your your big Crux like that's what you care about the most is this is the military as that's a major you got to die at War so it's pretty important absolutely but that it
06:27:00
Angeliqueyou agree with taking away I mean I'll give you more I'll give you I mean want men not to do that then like go to war are you a pacifist well here's the CU of
06:27:09
Brian Atlascourse I war is bad but I recognize that no you can never get rid of the draft because conceivably there could be some some uh scenario on the world stage some
06:27:21
Brian Atlasmilitary conflict that would require a draft to occur so no and it's not even politically tenable to ever get rid of the draft frankly it'll never happen so we must equalize the draft in the name of equality
06:27:38
Angeliqueokay seems like you guys have been agreeing this whole conversation already agree with that aspect of it that if that was actually put forth are you putting forth that legislation are you working on that right now cuz I would I maybe I I'm a podcaster know but you're
06:27:49
Brian Atlasbut you're very passionate I'm saying maybe you should I advocate I frequently advocate for men but the point I'm trying the point I was trying to make is
06:27:58
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AngeliqueI'm just confused because you're you're trying to we're just going you're literally trying to argue with me like I'm pretty sure we mostly agree the reason why I'm feminist is very straightforward and has nothing to do with that aspect I think you're not even
06:28:47
Angeliquelike listening to what I'm saying I have a pretty coherent worldview on this and I agreed with you and I'm saying you should put it into legislation because you keep bringing back the historical aspect but you can't change history like I'm just acknowledging that history
06:29:00
Brian Atlashappened and I'm giving you a reason why it happened I'm holy I am saying I am saying that feminism has never been
06:29:09
Brian Atlasan equality movement because if an if if fighting for Ane equality could conceivably come at the detriment of
06:29:20
Brian Atlaswomen AKA being subject to military conscription feminists will not push for set equality they will not fight for set equality if the equality does not
06:29:30
Brian Atlasbenefit women and that's that's evid evidenced by the fact that even back in 1920 women secured the right to the vote without a corresponding responsibility of being subject to
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Brian Atlasmove some chats thank you Jay jensson welcome to 2024 Brian women pick and choose rights during a challenge men cannot facts okay which rights are we talking about H would what do you mean what rights we were we only have talked
06:30:25
Brian Atlasabout the right to vote we could talk about any we talk there's a whole bunch um let me think here uh this isn't really something that's this is more on like a social level not a government level but for example well I mean you could actually
06:30:37
Brian Atlasmake the argument that we've outlawed female genital imun delation but uh male circumcision is absolutely legal so I mean it's uh it's not circumcision is not something that's like enforced by the government but it is legal under the
06:30:50
Brian Atlasgovernment to circumcise young me uh excuse me uh baby boys um and uh so uh I think
06:30:59
Brian Atlasuh I think um I mean I'm I'm against uh male genital mutilation okay so on that's more on like a societal level something that's
06:31:11
Angeliqueuh a different there's definitely like cultural reasons for that so I think that's kind of a bigger that's probably a bigger conversation that has nothing well it does have to do with government but we have David McFarland sounds like
06:31:23
Brian Atlasshe has a PHD in gender studies well it could be related to the government because we could Outlaw um circumcision could but we don't but we've outlawed female genital uh
06:31:35
Brian Atlascircumcision yeah it's true so perhaps it should be uh David appreciate it man uh she does she have a PhD in gender studies that's a good question on practice Brian the draft is a very weak
06:31:45
Brian Atlasargument South Korea has an actual men only draft The Selective Service System is not the draft much bigger Injustice is paternity fraud when has a woman ever paid child support from another woman's
06:31:57
Brian Atlaskid never well absolutely paternity fraud is uh uh catastrophe absolutely terrible that's not really something something that's uh totally related to rights in the government although there
06:32:09
Brian Atlascan be things where like for example let's say a man uh signs the birth certificate and he's assumed that the child was his and he raises the child as
06:32:19
Brian Atlasit was his after a period of a certain year let's say you at year five you take a paternity test and determine provably with genetic DNA
06:32:30
Brian Atlastesting that the child is not yours you can still be forced to pay child support even if the kid is not yours because you
06:32:41
Brian Atlasfor a period of time you acted as if the kid was yours and uh that that in the law like if you I don't care what the situation is if you think the kid's
06:32:52
Brian Atlasyours but it's not you should be free you should not be subject to child support if the kid is not yours um so that's that's a good one
06:33:03
Brian Atlaspractice um I will say though I think the draft is a major argument actually it's a huge argument and you guys say well there hasn't been a draft
06:33:13
Brian Atlasin a while uh we got freaking what's look at what's going on in the world in in the Middle East
06:33:24
Brian AtlasUkraine uh I think we're closer to a worldwide conflict today than in any time in the
06:33:32
Brian Atlaspast I don't know I don't know 20 30 years uh so uh I think the draft is actually a very strong argument um anyways let's see we
06:33:43
Brian Atlashave other chats here we have Matthew Lee rights are socially constructed women should not have any right to vote because they are not able to enforce anything as the enforcement arm is men the right to vote came along with
06:33:56
Brian Atlasdrafting as well that's from Matthew Lee that's not true what do you mean what is the enforcement arm this isn't this this is I'm going to
06:34:09
Brian Atlasjust I'll be Devil's Advocate on this this is take from Andrew Andrew Wilson so uh like all these feminist POS I don't I feel like I'm not the best
06:34:20
Brian Atlasperson to actually articulate this but um like who enforces rights enforces them like the judicial system and like the what do you mean
06:34:33
Brian Atlaslike in like women women as a group versus men as a group like who for examp I mean again this is of the argument is that
06:34:43
Jakerights are rights are enforced by force and that men have a monopoly on Force so if you can't actually enforce the rights then you actually are you talking about like on a minuscule level like police or
06:34:56
Jakewhat are you talking about no just in general like if you if you strip everything back men have a uh Monopoly on Force so what is that can you give an example you'd have to ask ask Andrew I don't I don't believe in a patriarchy
06:35:09
Angeliquelike in in our entire culture but what you just said sounds like you're believe in a patriarchy like there's this overarching like men everything okay so I do believe in patriarchy yeah oh you do so yeah yeah oh okay sorry again this
06:35:20
Brian Atlasis not this is not an argument I make but it's he's kind of echoing something that I've heard Andrew Wilson say is basically if all the men
06:35:30
Brian Atlasdecided to to stop enforcing women's rights would there be women's rights anymore you rely on men because for
06:35:40
Brian Atlasexample if somebody breaks a law who do you rely on to enforce that Law Men typically men with guns like the police police force right well those those fields are definitely predominantly male
06:35:53
Brian Atlasrun but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any women in it okay let ask you question and I don't think that our rights are given to us by men they're given again I'm not not saying we should I'm not saying we should get rid of women's rights but simply as a
06:36:04
Brian Atlasthought experiment if all men just banded together in the supposed uh Ultimate Super form patriarchy and said we're going to walk
06:36:14
Angeliqueback women's rights and we just banded together as men collectively would men be able to walk back all of women's rights no there's still women out there
06:36:24
Angeliquewho would fight for their own voice no who's physically but okay when any it's just we're human beings and we want to have a voice in our in our government that's all the right to vote is but do
06:36:36
SPEAKER_07you realize that bashful bashful donated $100 what do you think we should do with the draft completely get rid of it or
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SPEAKER_07should we enforce it for both be and women the volunteer Force the US has had for the past 50 years has been way better it should just be both men and women um you can't get rid of it it's
06:36:59
Brian Atlasnot polit it's not politically tenable it'll never happen there's conceivable scenarios where a draft might be necessary thank you for the for the um the
06:37:08
Brian Atlasmessage almost everything like could if if there's a conflict geez I feel like I'm GNA butcher this um if there's