3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134
Date: 2024-02-07
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Daphne(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_05Venus Vixen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sarah Stock(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Angelique(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Katie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Sarah Ramirez(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:11
IntroVenus Vixen introduces herself as a professional porn actress and OnlyFans creator.
“my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans”
00:08:44
Key MomentSarah Ramirez reveals she has been single her whole life and has only been on one first date.
“I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys”
00:42:12
TopicVenus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist, setting up major capitalism vs communism debate.
“I would say I'm probably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist”
00:45:55
Key MomentJake challenges Venus on communist countries, noting communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.
“communism was responsible for the death of north of a 100 million people in the 20th century”
00:46:12
Key MomentVenus says she lives in a capitalist country so she might as well benefit from it, when challenged on selling content while believing in communism.
“I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could”
00:55:17
IntroAngelique announces she is president of Life Dress, a pro-life nonprofit that hand-paints apparel.
“I am a the president of a nonprofit organization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel”
02:39:39
ControversyDaphne admits to pandering to the audience with her traditional/conservative answers.
“I think that's fair I mean I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this”
02:59:29
Key MomentBody count round reveal: Venus announces ~120 body count (majority from work scenes).
“it's eight four I can give like roundabout sure I 120 120 okay four four eight zero zero zero”
03:59:00
ControversyBrian pulls up Daphne's Instagram reels showing her making out with multiple women and other explicit content, confronting her on claiming to be 'extremely traditional'.
“that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes”
04:01:00
Key MomentDaphne acknowledges her content is not traditional but claims she's growing.
“I wouldn't make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all”
04:05:20
Key MomentBrian offers Daphne a deal: delete OnlyFans and scrub Twitter to prove traditionalism.
“I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your only fans”
04:45:56
ControversyBrian tells Daphne she is not a traditional woman, she is a modern woman, after extended contradiction between her stated values and her content.
“you're a modern woman look I'm not that's fine don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, dating history.
00:15:00
Capitalism vs. Communism/Socialism debate
Venus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist. Jake and Brian debate her on failed communist states, Cuba, North vs South Korea. Ends with Venus acknowledging communism hasn't successfully been implemented.
00:45:00
Abortion debate: pro-life vs. pro-choice
Panel split ~6 pro-life vs 2 pro-choice. Debate on when life begins (conception per biology argument), late-term abortion, legal paternal surrender, rape/incest exceptions. Angelique leads pro-life argument.
01:08:20
Physical attractiveness ratings (1-10 scale)
Guests rate themselves on 1-10 scale. Debate on whether attractiveness is objective or subjective. Discussion of women's prime attractiveness window.
01:25:00
Women's prime / age and attractiveness
Discussion on whether women peak at 18-25. Daphne agrees; Venus thinks she'll be hotter at 30; Katie and Sarah Stock disagree that 30 is past prime.
01:57:00
Body count and mate value
Extended discussion on whether body count affects a woman's value as a partner. Goes around the table. Body count round: Venus ~120 (mostly work), Jake 4, Daphne undisclosed, Sarah R 0, Sarah S 0, Angelique 0, Brian declines.
03:08:20
OnlyFans / porn industry ethics
Debate on whether porn harms relationships, trafficking in the industry, STD testing gaps (herpes/HPV not required). Brian notes porn conversations are repetitive on the show.
03:50:00
Illegal immigration and US border policy
Panel goes around on whether they'd date an illegal immigrant. Discussion of US border, other countries enforcing immigration laws, losing the country.
03:53:20
Traditional values vs. OnlyFans content (Daphne)
Brian confronts Daphne on her Instagram/Twitter content vs. her claim of being 'extremely traditional.' Reviews her public reels showing makeout sessions and suggestive content. Challenges her to delete OnlyFans to prove traditionalism.
04:00:00
2024 election: Trump vs. Biden
Panel votes: Daphne=Trump, Jake=Trump (implied), Sarah Stock=Trump, Alyssa=neither, Katie=won't say (implied Biden), Angelique=neither (pro-life litmus), Venus=implied Biden, Sarah R=skipped.
04:13:20
Dating wild stories / experiences
Brian reads pre-show notes; guests share unusual dating/relationship stories.
04:48:20
Men being pro-choice as a red flag
Sarah Stock argues pro-choice men are a red flag; discussion on what a pro-choice man's stance signals about his values toward women.
04:58:20
Friendship before dating
Discussion on whether couples should be friends before becoming romantic partners.
05:30:00
Engagement rings / marriage proposals
Discussion on whether proposal rings are necessary, diamond industry, kneeling. Guests largely want a proposal and ring.
05:53:20
Female submission / bowing debate
Discussion on whether women would bow to a man as an act of submission. Panel largely declines; Venus notes she'll do more explicit acts for work but not bow to a partner.
06:05:00
Feminism debate
Brian argues feminism is about securing benefits for women, not equality. Discussion on women in military service and selective service registration.
Transcript
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01:55:15
Angeliqueother women and and does seem with other women do you do you think that a man who goes around and does that is an intelligent man I do so he's making Intelligent Decisions by being with a bunch of different women what if he impregnates them is that a
01:55:27
Daphnesmart move I think it's pretty stupid if a guy does that I would have confidence in my man that he would not put himself in a situation to give it a possibility to impregnate a woman I hope that he would be responsible but like having sex
01:55:39
Angeliquethere's always a small chance there is I think there's ways to be pretty sure that you won't depends what you mean by intelligent as well though possibly wondering her gauge of like
01:55:49
Jakeintelligence after I have children theom of men who are not God-fearing men and who have certain values in inside of a relationship that would be considered intelligent men so what do you mean by intelligent well that's why I'm asking her because she said she wants an
01:56:02
Angeliqueintelligent man but she also said she wants a man who would would if she if he's not getting what she he wants from her he would go out and do it with other people so I'm saying like those don't really but there's a premise there's like a premise to your question that suggests that a man who does that can't
01:56:15
Angeliquebe intelligent that's what I that's what I was getting to so a man who cheats is not a smart man absolutely not no of course not what do you mean by intellig multiple reasons for it if you are promiscuous you're not only harming Yourself by bonding with all those
01:56:28
Angeliquedifferent women scientifically like that's just there's going to be negative consequences of that also you mention pregnancy you and you're saying that oh that would never happen he would do the certain precautions but you see where there's like this path you're going down
01:56:40
Angeliquelike as soon as a man walks out of your house and says bye I'm no longer committed to you I'm going to go do whatever I want there's going to be negative consequences to that do you think that there are lots of men in high positions in society who would do that absolutely do you think that they're
01:56:53
Angeliqueintelligent not in that way absolutely not that way so you have to be a bit more specific when you say intelligent though well that's exactly what I'm talking about I just Define that that decision would be unintelligent so they sexual soci within the bounds of a relationship you think they're
01:57:06
Angeliqueunintelligent I think that people are not you have 180 IQ and still sure well I think that if if he's going to be unintelligent in that way he might be unintelligent other ways maybe he runs a business and he also looks what if he's
01:57:17
Angeliquegot a 180 IQ then he's very maybe he's book smart but he's not smart with but said in front I think maybe wisdom is like a better term Wise Wise Men intelligent cuz she mentioned
01:57:30
Brian Atlasthe word intelligence so I was just kind of going off of like her what she defined as intelligence I have a question for can be intelligence well Sarah before you ask that question uh you asked me a question I responded good
01:57:41
Brian Atlasquestions by the way do you want to go back to that because I think you were asking me well what do you think about uh this whole thing about well it's okay for men to be promiscuous but not for women and I responded to you there and
01:57:53
Sarah Stockthen the conversation went on from there did you want to respond to to me trying to remember that was a little while ago um well I think it depends on your worldview like from a Christian
01:58:04
Sarah Stockworld viw like for me like I would not want a priscu is man like for me that's low value it's like you don't have morals um but I was wondering if you think
01:58:14
Sarah Stocklike I guess you were saying is good for men to have sexual experience is that what you're saying uh I mean I could re reiterate my
01:58:23
Brian Atlasanswer I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women I think it's I think the negatives are more uh tend to manifest themselves a little bit more in women than they do in men again I'm not saying
01:58:36
Brian Atlasthat it's good in men but there are differences between the uh Sexes um and uh I I think one example that I could perhaps give is that I think for example when it comes to
01:58:47
Brian Atlassomebody's body count I think women are much more say forgiving of of a man's promiscuity or high body count I I find that generally speaking most women don't
01:58:58
Brian Atlasseem to really care all that much or as much as men seem to care about body count and I mean if given the option like if we gave you a scenario for
01:59:08
Brian Atlasexample we could perhaps ask the entire table here okay so would you prefer a dating a man who's 30 who makes $500,000 a year who's who's confident and well
01:59:20
Brian Atlasput together but he's slept with 70 other women compared to a guy who same age uh not nothing weird about him but
01:59:32
Brian Atlashe's not quite as confident and he makes $110,000 a year and he slept with zero women uh a lot of women are going to
01:59:41
Brian Atlaslike probably accept the high body count of that hyp successful man over the guy who makes $10,000 a year whose uh sexual
01:59:51
Brian Atlaspurity or virtue is intact now if you reverse it though you give men the option of dating a woman who makes $500,000 a year but she's has a
02:00:02
Brian Atlassignificant body count what did I say 50 or 70 or something like that 70 um and that compare it to a woman who uh not indebted uh but you know she doesn't
02:00:12
Daphnemake a lot of money most men are going to pick the let's say she's a virgin I think most men are going to prefer the Virgin so I feel men don't care how much money women make they don't really yeah
02:00:24
Katieit's not couldn't give a squ yeah like what would be something that would make the woman's higher value like the way that the man makes $500,000 like what would be the woman young young and
02:00:33
Angeliquevirgin okay 1825 virgin not fat uh Pleasant uh Pleasant brings peace uh i' pick the 10K personally can cook you'd
02:00:43
Angeliquepick the 10K all day because you can you can always get higher in your career but you can't take back all the promiscuity that you had and all the chemical bonding that you already had with yeah I think the the body count would say a lot more about his character than the 10K
02:00:57
Sarah Stockbut at the same time like 10K it's like how are you only making 10K I make more than 10K and I'm not even working full-time so I would question like his competence just as a person but we we
02:01:07
Brian Atlascan like this could be to be really stupid I think to or just no work ethic this could be tested out for example like who do you of the two men that I like generally speaking which one do you think is going to be more like
02:01:19
Brian Atlassuccessful in the dating Marketplace the first one with a high body count yeah yeah the first like despite your specific value set like which one do you think will be more successful in like in
02:01:30
Sarah Stockthe marketplace yes but not according to my personal values okay which just tells you the marketplace is really really bad and just not just doesn't have the right place just it's a fair assessment but
02:01:42
Katiewould the would his high body count indicate in this situation that he was going to cheat on me or would I know that like he's a good guy and it's just his past and cuz that would make it's a good question actually cuz it kind of depends on where the GU at at the moment
02:01:55
Jakethat you arrive at that and if he's somebody who sort of rained it in a little bit then yeah he's making a conscious effort to do that but if he's still sort of just throwing it around then that's a obviously a red flag it's
02:02:06
Daphnea bad indication I couldn't deal with in terms of cheating yeah but I feel like men can cheat and not have the emotion behind it I feel like it's more of a feminine if they if they don't fear God
02:02:16
Jakethey will do that if they don't what if they don't fear God they can do that and not have any account ability but a religious man will not he'll like you know you won't be able to sleep at night so you don't think that a religious man
02:02:28
Jakecan go out and cheat on his wife and he he can and it does it does happen but if you actually have a relationship with God and if you're actually in tune with it then you have you ever um he wouldn't have read this I was going to say dov's
02:02:41
JakeCrime and Punishment it's a book about the human cons like the human conscience and the fact that it just eat story about I love dooi oh yeah very
02:02:50
Brian Atlasnice she loves do he's the man yeah he's the um wait actually this kind of brings up a uh oh sorry did you want to continue with the point no I was just I was just saying I think it's it's
02:03:02
Jakea like so for example me I've come into Faith over the last few years and I was I was never a CH boy growing up you know from my teenage years early 20s and I've I've had my
02:03:12
Jakeexperiences so back then I would have been a bad bet but now as I've come into it a little bit more and as I've developed a relationship with God and I've sort of gotten more tuned in and plugged with other men who are sort of
02:03:23
Brian AtlasChristians it's helped me a lot not perfect by anyone's imagination but you know it's it's helped Jake your view on this okay when it comes to cheating and I don't I don't think cheating is good
02:03:33
Brian Atlaswhether it's a man or a woman doing it if you cheat that's wrong no matter what I do think though that there is a tendency the reasons why men and women
02:03:43
Brian Atlascheat are different would you agree with that yes absolutely yeah and I think I think it could be said that when a woman cheats like that's the end of the
02:03:54
Brian Atlasrelationship in terms of in terms of how she views her partner but if a man cheats now again if if that's a deal
02:04:03
Brian Atlasbreaker for the woman absolutely but I think a man cheating doesn't necessarily indicate that like if a woman cheats on you she's not in love with you it's over
02:04:14
Brian Atlasit's done she doesn't like but like I think she doesn't respect you anymore it's gone like it's done whereas I do think and again I'm not saying cheating is good I'm not in favor of cheating but
02:04:27
Brian Atlasthe differences are different and I do think men will cheat purely on like a physical urge level without any emotion being involved whereas like if a woman
02:04:38
Angeliquecheats I think there's like it's like way heavier it is way heav it just makes it sound like men are like terrible though like it makes it sound like men don't have a way to have an emotional connection to the person that
02:04:51
Angeliquethey're with that you would say that if a woman cheats oh man she's like she doesn't respect me at all but if a man cheats I'm not going to have that same reaction of course I it's true though if a woman resp I think your your your reaction is totally understandable if a
02:05:03
Jakeman cheats on you and if that's like your your value set particularly however the act of having sex for a man and a woman is is just two different things the act of a woman opening herself up and letting a man inside it's like a
02:05:14
Jakevery very like submissive act as well and the thought for a man of your girl being submissive in that way to another man is just it's it's horrifying and I can understand it would be the same same
02:05:26
Angeliquefor you I think it comes back to how does the man value sex because if we're you're saying that a woman is like oh this is like the big important thing and that's why it's worse when she cheats on somebody why doesn't the man think of it the same way if a man thought of sex the
02:05:38
Angeliquesame way that you're claiming women do that we see it this high value like you know if if she cheats on me then like it's the end of the world why can't men value sex the same way that it's giving of yourself yeah I mean IDE ideally we
02:05:50
Angeliquewould cuz then you would see your partner as like you're the only person I will ever do this with I can't even imagine doing it with somebody else yeah if the world was perfect that would be the way it is I know I'm just saying that to to to make it like so do you think that men and women having sex the
02:06:02
Angeliquesame are like terrible people do you think that women and men having sex is the same do you think it's biologically the same no and and I think that's why to actually to the point you were making before how you you're okay with with a man cheating on you I think if anything
02:06:16
Angeliqueif we actually agree that men having sex is different than women then it it shows loyalty and commitment and dedication even more and you can fall more in love with somebody knowing that they're not
02:06:27
Daphnedoing the thing that you claim biologically they're they're meant to do for your for you would rather him not have sex with anyone else yeah I mean of course that's what I would wish for but I don't necessarily want to make that
02:06:38
Angeliquedecision for him cuz it shows willpower that a man may maybe you think this isn't always true but let's pretend this man is like sex like driven that's all he's thinking about if he can stop himself from doing that for the sake of
02:06:50
Angeliquelike a relationship with sake of your soul for the sake of his own soul that's so much more powerful it's so much more powerful than just going and doing it you know and then saying that he's better a high high value man because he
02:07:02
Sarah Ramirezhas experience it doesn't make sense to me it doesn't add up I think just because sex between men and women are different doesn't mean that it makes it more or less okay for one of them to cheat on the other that's not what
02:07:14
Brian Atlasthat's not what we're arguing though we're just having a conversation of the reasons why men and women cheat can be different again I already prefaced it by saying cheating is not acceptable it's wrong
02:07:27
Brian Atlasand as a woman if you want to break up with your guy for cheating totally acceptable vice versa totally fine but I think we can all agree like there are certainly differences between men and women and and the reasons why a man might cheat may very well differ for the
02:07:40
Brian Atlasreasons why women might cheat for example a man might be more motivated by simply satisfying certain physical or sexual urges where a woman may be and this could even be the reverse um but a
02:07:53
Brian Atlaswoman may be more inclined to cheat because bro that's it's the end of the relationship and there's there's some emotional connection with another uh person mhm I'm not saying it's right or
02:08:04
Brian Atlaswrong I'm just saying the reasons why which uh could could vary quite differently but which is why like for example I
02:08:13
Brian Atlasthink it may be the case that it's more likely that a man could and again I think it's wrong but a man could cheat on his girlfriend or wife and still
02:08:25
Brian Atlasabsolutely be in love with her whereas I think the reverse it it I don't think it really plays out that way again I'm not saying cheating is good I'm just saying the the motivations there are different but unfaithfulness is like the def
02:08:37
Angeliquedefinition of not loving somebody though you're treating love like some kind of like mystical feeling but em a choice decision it's an action so by literally going the exact opposite of of not
02:08:49
Angeliqueloving that person you can't say that you you still love your wife if you go against her like that but it's emotionless with a man it's emotional with a woman that's not true but it's just scientifically not accurate to say that men don't have emotions it makes it
02:09:00
Brian Atlassound like they're just like these animals they something on this bu yeah let's let's look at it I mean there's also certain biological men are more like likely to cheat for sexual variety while women
02:09:11
Brian Atlastend to have an affair in a means to find a better suited partner or stronger connection thank you evidence suggests that women tend to cheat with one person becoming emotionally involved in the
02:09:22
Brian Atlasprocess and often looking to Fall in Love David bus he's like a is he an evolutionary psychologist or what's his
02:09:32
Brian AtlasEva uh evolutionary psychologist that's right Tech you know you okay cool cool didn't he go to UCSB or was a professor at UCSB am I thinking of huberman anyways
02:09:44
Jakeum kind of seems like we all agree on this then like we all agree it's wrong yeah they might do for we do agree but I think where we would disagree is when you say that a man can't love a woman if he cheats on
02:09:55
Jakeher and like this is me steel maning an argument that I don't agree with it's a it's a way that I wouldn't act I've never cheated on somebody never will but I think that there would be occasions when a man could cheat on a woman and
02:10:06
Angeliquestill love that woman so I don't think that that disqualifies it what is love what is your definition of love what is this like I mean I'm I'm not going to give a definition of love but I'm just going to say you have to give a definition of love if you say that cheating on someone can still be loving
02:10:18
Angeliqueit's just an emotion Love Is Love it's just how you feel an emotion love is not an emotion at all you can't feel love love is an action and then you feel it after you you create that action so it
02:10:28
Sarah Stockcan be in it is infatuation is like an emotion a feeling lust is a feeling but love is just an action like there's no like people say like oh we just fell out of love so we got divorced and like that is a problem for many divorces because
02:10:40
Sarah Stockthey were going to the marriage thinking love is a feeling so for not in love anymore just get divorced and that's kind of the same thing you're saying like oh I still love them but I cheated but that's not loving yeah if it's an accident what if you deeply deeply
02:10:53
Jakeregret it like you you can't live with yourself because you regret it so badly you shouldn't have done it in the first place love is oneing the people make mistakes though I think like coming from such like worldview of so like everything has to be so perfect if you make a mistake and you deeply deeply regret it you can still love you can
02:11:06
Angeliquestill love that person you can absolutely regret it for their you can be forgiven of it that doesn't necessarily mean that you can believe the person still loves you okay so you don't think possible for a man to still love a woman if he's cheated on her you
02:11:18
Angeliquedon't think I would believe that they would love you anymore love is willing the good of the other cheating on me is not willing the good of me at all I mean but you I certainly you can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I believe you love so so so listen for sure so the path
02:11:31
Jakeback is there if you if you're a man and you cheat on a woman you can still technically love her at a later time no you can't you didn't you didn't will the good of that person at all at that time so you think that you can just erase
02:11:43
Jakelike things that happen do you think that any mistake that happens whatsoever when you're not willing to that all broke your but so like what's the difference between that and say you slap your
02:11:55
Jakepartner in the face um you well chemical bonding with with being with somebody else is a lot worse than okay so if if I if I was if you're talking about abuse if you're a man who SLS his wife in the face heit of the moment you love this
02:12:07
Angeliqueperson and it's just the next day you're so sorry you apologize she says I know I was acting a bit that's called abuse and if you if you tolerate that it's going to get worse and worse and that's you thinking is a violence no wait wait I'm not I'm not saying that there's anything
02:12:19
Jakeright about abuse but I'm saying a hypothetical scenario if that were to happen like you see like what happened with Dana White and his wife like a few months ago yeah if if the man that I'm with slaps me in the face I'm leaving and I don't believe he loves me anymore
02:12:31
Angeliquebecause if I what about if you SLA him first I wouldn't that's what about you hypothetical that's domestic violence about if if that happened I don't support it either but it's a hypothetical if I slapped the person I'm with or he slapped me if you slapped the
02:12:43
Jakeperson you're with and then he slapped you can he still love you no love is willing the go of the other what if you have five children together with a woman who's going to slap you hold on a second what if you have five children together and that was a heat of the- moment
02:12:55
Jakemistake and then one year later you still have those children together you're still building your life together but you can't love that person anymore that's ridiculous forgive that person if they never do you can love them again no I said forgive them okay and then you
02:13:06
Daphnecan love them gone I you forgive them love just gone you forgive them and then I wouldn't be with I wouldn't have five children with a man who hypothetical it's a hypothetical you would so you're saying so you're in a relationship you have five children you're married you've
02:13:19
Daphnebeen married and he cheats one time and you say that he doesn't love you after all you birth all those five children's you'll have a little house on island having five children and he he did one time I I wouldn't I wouldn't marry someone who would do that the
02:13:32
Jakehypothetical though the hypothetical it's not all about your perfect worldview a hypothetical scenario if that were to happen can the man still love the woman I don't believe so her that's ridiculous you've been you've been
02:13:45
Brian Atlasdating somebody you've been dating somebody for 2.5 years has your boyfriend done anything wrong nothing you never even AR you mean like me sorry keep
02:13:56
Brian Atlasno he's you've never had an argument you've never disagreed on something he's never even said something that you took even a slight offense to nothing of course I have we have discussions all the time okay but keep going are you
02:14:09
Brian Atlasgoing to equate that to slapping no but it it seems like you're saying and look I I think none of us here are in favor of cheating or you know if there's a DV obviously nobody's in favor of that
02:14:21
Jakequestion to say that if hypothetically that were to happen a terrible thing to happen yes I'm not saying it's not domestic violence nobody say it's not domestic violence hypothetically could the love still exist I have a qu wait I
02:14:32
Brian Atlashave a question on this so are are you Catholic yes I am you're Catholic so you don't believe in divorce correct correct okay so if uh using Jake's example uh
02:14:44
Brian Atlasthere's five kids been married for 10 years everything's been great somehow some superheated argument happens and like uh the if the husband slapped the wife um divorce I know where you're
02:14:57
Angeliquegoing and the answer is no because I wouldn't marry someone who would do that that's you know no one's going to slap you're with somebody who would slap you then you you shouldn't be with them you shouldn't marry them and have five kids
02:15:09
Angeliquetalking from utopian utopian perspective we're talking about individual people choose somebody who would never do human beings are flawed human beings make mistakes but they're not those things happen and good people do that mistake is having a verbal
02:15:21
Angeliquediscussion that gets heated but it would never lead to a physical altercation if it does do you think a good man has ever slapped his wife I don't I don't believe so that's ridiculous why people make bad
02:15:33
Jakemistakes all the time me nobody is perfect if you're religious know good doesn't mean good at all hours of the day every single day never making a mistake that's not good I draw the line at physical altercations so that's just
02:15:43
Sarah Stockeven a little pop would you no why are we arguing does wait where does the bible say that you can divorce your husband if he slaps you wait I okay hold
02:15:54
Brian Atlason hold on so it's it's a bit I it's it seems to me and there's perhaps a specific fallacy for this but you're saying that you you would never marry
02:16:05
Brian Atlassomebody who would have the capacity to do that but like you don't have what's that Minority Report thing when they had when they could see into the future what's that called pre
02:16:15
Brian Atlaspremonition like you wouldn't predestination some some scenario maybe you like I I don't know again we're not it's you shouldn't be hitting anybody but if it did happen sure I I understand what you're saying
02:16:28
Brian Atlasbut you keep saying like well I would never marry somebody who did that but engage with the ACT actual conversation so would you divorce if in I wouldn't divorce if if there was a slap no of course not stay with someone that doesn't love you that doesn't that
02:16:41
Jakedoesn't mean that I have to divorce them fair enough okay so then but so you wouldn't divorce under those circumstances under no circumstances in that circumstance I would keep it up for the kids
02:16:52
Brian Atlasokay yeah okay it's not worth it but you think okay so you wouldn't you wouldn't divorce although isn't divorce you can divorce in the case of it's enement you can get enol if if there's domestic
02:17:03
Angeliqueviolence which is completely my position um oh so would you get an En norment yeah because the this all comes back to the fact that you say you can be a good man and slap your wife like that it's a
02:17:15
Angeliquemistake but but you can still be a good man my view is that if you have domestic violence inside your relationship in my view where I'm Catholic and I don't believe in divorce then you're going against the vows that you you said when we got married and therefore so you're
02:17:28
Angeliquesaying that we have to we have to be perfect in marriage otherwise you can't be a good man not slapping your wife doesn't mean the V there's more vows than that absolutely but I'm saying domestic violence is a very like it's
02:17:39
Jakelike top okay so if if you think that literally directly going against the vows if a man looks at a woman with lost has he cheated on her yes and is can he be a good man um if he repents of it of course okay so that the love can still
02:17:52
Jakebe there even if he goes against the veils I already said that domestic violence is a different tier than like we talking about it in terms of your vows and we're talking about it on a biblical sense so that's also a sin looking at someone with lust in your
02:18:04
Daphneheart I think it also has to do that's you're saying you're saying that's cheating it can be if you don't repent of it that's what the Bible says so then if you just go cheat as if your man just goes it's okay it's but if that's what
02:18:16
Angeliquethe Bible says if if a man has committed adultery then you're saying that's adultery mhm absolutely so you're saying that he can't be a good man and the love is gone after that um I I was talking about domestic violence when you when you asked me that so I'm not going to I'm not going to make it about other
02:18:29
Angeliquethings but is he willing is he willing the good of that person in that situation no okay just because you're not willing the good of another person in these situations doesn't mean there's grounds for divorce like you're mixing up all the different issues okay so you're saying that domestic violence is
02:18:40
Jakein a different tier and that there is no way that somebody can ever love somebody if they if they do that no no circumstance you still haven't defined love to me so therefore you repeating the same I'll I'll I'll I'll Grant I'll Grant your definition I'll Grant your
02:18:53
Jakedefinition willing the good of the other definition your question I'll Grant your definition I I agree with it yeah okay so there is no situation where that could happen where then the man could ever still love the woman is what you're
02:19:04
Angeliquesaying I personally don't think so but but then again that's just that's just where I'm I'm coming from and I and I can see I think this is the kind of thing where this isn't some like we were talking about earlier about abortion where it's a moral like black and white I don't think this is some kind of moral
02:19:17
Venus Vixenblack and white I think other people can have different opinions on it you say morality is black and white no I'm saying this isn't one that's that's what I'm saying you said morality as a whole is black and white this was say just one
02:19:29
Jakequestion just one question so we but before we did say that you can't love your partner if you cheat on the after we we did have that conversation where you said that if a man commits adultery then he can't love his partner after
02:19:41
Jakethat I don't believe that he's willing the good of another person when he cheats would you would you agree with would you agree with the Bible when the Bible says that if you look at a woman with adult with with lust then you've
02:19:52
Jakecommitted adultery in your heart yes so then you're saying that a man can't love a woman if he looks at another woman with lust yes that's ridiculous why you just you just agreed that because we don't live in a perfect world and men
02:20:05
Angeliquemake mistakes and men do that all standard though the point is I'm speaking from having a standard where we're talking about someone who who doesn't think cheating's wrong and so I'm saying that it's actually wrong to
02:20:15
Brian Atlasyeah here let's uh we're going to switch gears here uh one one to to finish off on this really quick do you think that uh I asked you okay so enement would be
02:20:26
Brian Atlaswarranted under those circumstances if a woman slapped a man slapped her husband would en nment be warranted also yes they're two people is all right either or I just want to make sure that you had the same standard for both men and women
02:20:39
Brian Atlasand I don't think anybody here is in favor of f domestic violence or anything we're just to talk I was like oh God am I going to get
02:20:49
Brian Atlasclipped J is taking Eclipse all right um so it's tough when you're having these sort of like kind of nuance conversations whatever but okay guys go
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02:21:21
Sarah Ramirezsaw in the middle of all this nope I mean for where on the screen there was a comment on the screen and in the middle of like this whole debate someone like brought up a really good uh Point okay
02:21:33
Sarah Ramirezlike I forgot I forgot who it was but they were like oh like this is why you should date to Mary and why like he said something about like Asian cultures like they date to Mary and they tend to have
02:21:42
Sarah Ramirezlike better marriages and whatnot and then he said like um that's why the West is kind of like uh deteriorating when it comes to dating because it's like it's
02:21:53
Jakekind of like a free-for-all now um I wasn't sure if you guys had caught that I just wanted know if that's something itow it was below the threshold so we agree with that I think we all technically agree that in a perfect world people would date to marry and
02:22:06
Brian Atlaspeople would be virgins into marriage but we live in a fallen world and we have to meet the world where it is we have Fally here good evening everyone BRS and small suggestion increase the TTS back to 200 so apologies if I'm vulgar D jens's like Hunter and the
02:22:18
Brian Atlasnumbers guy are less likely to come comment indecent stuff piece um uh I mean I think uh you know I think the TTS
02:22:29
Brian Atlasat this threshold like I only boost the TTS if we have like a really big panel like last show we had like what 12 13 people Madison yeah it was just like we had way too much to get through and if it was the TTS was too frequent it would
02:22:41
Brian Atlasjust take forever to get through it um I think this is a pretty solid threshold and also if we have a big guest like for example when we had Charlie Kirk like you know he was only here for a limited
02:22:51
Brian Atlasperiod of time we want to give him you know as much uninterrupted uh air time as possible but thank you f appreciate that and then we also have Miss Nims Canadian 50 hey thank you Miss Nims
02:23:04
Brian Atlasby 30 what is considered a high body count um I mean I suppose I could open this up to the panel here but
02:23:13
Daphneuh thoughts anybody what do you start um I think by a high body count would be for a woman for oh for a woman
02:23:24
Daphneokay uh for both for both for a man I don't think it matters for a woman I would say five or six
02:23:34
Brian Atlasokay um I guess anything over 25 anything over 25 is that your way of
02:23:41
Brian Atlastelling us that your body counts 25 way more but yeah uh should we do body count Madison wait actually hold on
02:23:52
Brian Atlaswe'll do it later we'll I'll do it later uh okay your answer what's a high body count for by 30 wom yeah anything over five six
02:24:02
Katieokay um I don't know I've I've never really considered it as like a bad thing so I would say more like your answer like I could see girls I I know lots of
02:24:12
Angeliquegirls who who a lot um yeah um I don't know what the scale would be for high or low like I don't know what what would be high cuz they're just people
02:24:24
Daphneso for both men and women I think I don't know what what would be a high body count just what what is is the question what you think it's not about what they think like what what do you think a high body I don't know a
02:24:37
Sarah Stockthousand well that's what I'm saying go ahead go ahead I legitimately have no idea okay Sarah I don't know like I'm thinking about what the average would be I guess probably right like the
02:24:50
Sarah Stockthe way the world is right now probably like five would be average so high would be 10 or something I don't know Jake what is a high body count for
02:25:01
Brian Atlasa for a woman over 30 uh anything over 10
02:25:11
Brian Atlasyeah I'd agree I think over 10 it's uh obviously the thing is though is like the lower the better so uh there you we have it uh let me finally get into some
02:25:22
Brian Atlasof my pre-show notes from all of y'all so uh Nick if you can hide that for me thank you let's start with Alyssa here Alyssa You Got Married Too Young got divorced we went over that a bit you
02:25:34
Brian Atlasdated someone new then got pregnant and married again y uh then you were cheated on when your baby was 5 months old mhm
02:25:43
Brian Atlasin your own home mhm oh with my friend rip oh my God uh and wait hold on uh and you said it's
02:25:55
Brian Atlastaken you a long while to stand up for yourself Y and your daughter and file again wait yep for divorce ah okay um
02:26:05
Alyssabecause I agree with you of where love is an action and someone still can love you and you can forgive them and they can be a good man but if they stop
02:26:16
Alyssaloving you and they're not a good man then there's nothing nothing you can do because I don't believe in divorce often times it is once the trust seal is broken it's done yeah the vast majority
02:26:29
Alyssaof the time and there's probably no other way but yeah so that's why I stayed way too long and I finally got to the point where I found some
02:26:38
Brian Atlasself-confidence and decided to break it but break what my marriage be done with it okay you guys don't still live together correct
02:26:50
Alyssano no he moved out real quick and real easy oh like what do you mean like I told him it was time like it it got
02:27:00
Alyssatoxic and he just he had no respect for me anymore and so I like had my low self-esteem so I finally asked him to go and he just left so you kept the you
02:27:11
Brian Atlasguys did you guys own the house or yeah I stay in the house it's my father's oh it's your okay oh so he moved in with you mhm okay I see and then
02:27:21
Brian Atlasum wait so okay does he does he pay child support or no no do you want him to well I want
02:27:32
Alyssahim to support his child does you guys have shared custody that's what I filed for yeah oh you okay he's not a bad
02:27:39
Brian Atlasfather yeah horrible husband I see okay uhhuh uh let's see what else you said
02:27:48
Brian Atlasmodern dating is too fast the isers ring mystery is more enticing but no judgments here you had to learn that what do you when you say mystery is much
02:27:59
Alyssamore enticing what do you mean like I don't know I feel like you'd build a better relationship if you didn't just give it away so quickly but
02:28:09
Brian Atlasthat's not for me to judge cuz my example is terrible well so in all your previous uh relationship escapades uh I
02:28:19
Alyssamean how long would you typically wait um well anybody else I was with it was in high school so like a year and a half what do you mean like when I
02:28:30
Alyssastarted dating someone in high school we'd wait like a year to have sex mhm a year yeah that was in high school was this the 1950s or
02:28:40
Brian Atlassomething it should be God damn okay uh okay so uh but you say that the culture is too perverse in revealing mystery is
02:28:50
Brian Atlasmuch more enticing but so for all your relationships you've always waited or like high school yeah so with the exception of your most recent
02:29:00
Brian Atlasrelationship yeah uh you waited how long the like a few days hey no judgment Jud I got pregnant within a month of us
02:29:11
Alyssadating yeah but then he was like oh I'm going to marry you cuz I had just gotten out of a terrible relationship like on and off boyfriend from high school we married young he did drugs messed around
02:29:24
Brian Atlasokay but I didn't know any of that so when I found all that out it was like huge wait so you had just broken up with your previous husband yeah him and I
02:29:34
Alyssaweren't together for about a year while the divorce was filing and iated 21 yeah and then after it was officially done okay this guy asked me out and so I said
02:29:47
Brian Atlasyes and then he was like Prince Charming or so I thought until there was infidelity can I ask you a question um how long were you guys married for or dating dating and married when he did
02:29:58
Alyssathat no no how long just total were you guys together oh four and a half years almost five mhm total but we got married like a month before my daughter was born
02:30:11
Alyssaand then so she was 5 months so we were only married 6 months okay was uh hold on and you total you were together for 4 years mhm so I stayed because you know
02:30:22
Brian Atlasthat's love what do you think precipitated the infidelity uh and if you don't mind me asking I mean were you guys in a dead bedroom relationship no not at all no okay okay and then I got
02:30:33
Alyssato the point where I was still like begging him for sex mhm ah okay all right and he didn't you wanted it he didn't yep but then he my friend in the
02:30:45
Alyssabathroom he wait he huh my friend came out to visit me to see our baby and then I woke up at 4:00 in the morning to find him not in bed with me
02:30:57
Alyssaand walked down the hallway to hear them in the bathroom excuse me so how how good friends was it like a long oh I
02:31:08
Alyssahad known her like six years since childhood or okay six years I had known her years work together had and how did you not kill her hold hold on had you met before Christ huh had they met
02:31:20
Alyssabefore had they met before um I think one time she flew out when we were dating and I was pregnant and then cuz she lives on the east coast and then she
02:31:30
Alyssaflew out after my daughter was born do you have any suspicion that they cheated that initial meeting see I think about that often because she used to talk to
02:31:42
Alyssame about how her husband never initiated sex and how she wanted to be wanted and I remember standing there thinking like oh that sucks cuz my husband was amazing he was my boyfriend at the time I was
02:31:55
Alyssalike oh that's all he ever did he made me feel sexy and so MH I don't know if she did have that but that was the first night her and her sister her younger sister came out and that was the first
02:32:07
Brian Atlasnight they stayed that's a pretty great so she she came your friend came with her sister her younger sister to see the baby it was the friend not the sister correct and it was yeah my friend your
02:32:17
Brian Atlasfriend okay they and they were staying at your house yes your family house yep
02:32:24
Brian Atlasand your friend of 6 years cheated or well had sex with your husband yep in please tell me it wasn't in your
02:32:34
Alyssabedroom no it was in our bathroom oh in the right in the bathroom so I knocked cuz I heard them and then she goes just a minute and I said no you need to open this door now and then she comes out all
02:32:46
Brian Atlaslike oh and then I went in and I opened the shower curtain and he's sitting there and the hat I bought him the shirt and his wedding ring you you not only found out they cheated you caught them
02:32:58
Jakein the ACT yeah I heard them they broke the towel rack what the what the f holy okay now that's a reason to wait what did they break straight away they broke the tow
02:33:11
Alyssanow that's what not agree with you that the Love's gone that's that's egregious that is eg I wish I did in that moment I wish I had the balls to go but I didn't
02:33:20
AlyssaI got them both water I told her to throw the water in her face clip it get get rid of that that you we cannot have that
02:33:30
Brian Atlasokay you're like hold on can so just like demonstrating you you you wait so okay you C them in the bathroom you know have you ever gotten a professional massage and you know after
02:33:43
Brian Atlasthe massage they come to you with like this little little cup and they're like here you go do you need some hydration was it like oh my God no I literally just like I
02:33:53
Alyssadon't know I all I can say is that I just had Christ in me at the moment and I he that look on his face was that of I up and so I know he knows he
02:34:04
Alyssaup but after that yo that's amazing do you have an idea about like who seduced who or did you get any like other details yeah um I mean we were all
02:34:15
Alyssadrinking in our back room and they started to get real flirty he started to do things with like show her music videos that he did with me on our first date and so I told her sister I said you
02:34:26
Alyssawatch them and she was haha I even actually set my phone up but I was like buzzed to listen and I heard her talking bad about me on it um but then I went and grabbed
02:34:39
Alyssamy phone later that night and I went to bed you went to bed without them and then and then I woke up at 4:00 in the morning and then I went back and the door was locked so I knew he had locked them out of room and then I walked back
02:34:51
Brian Atlasdown the hall and that's when I heard him in the bathroom y hold so what would okay you you see them you know oh I heard it what so you walk in what do you
02:35:02
Alyssawhat what do you say um she just kept saying um I love my husband I'm married I love my husband I wish I said no wait your friend was
02:35:13
Alyssamarried to mhm did they deny or or they to her wedding like couple months prior I flew out for her wedding and I did all
02:35:23
Jakeher fing flowers wait so do they have kids no are they divorcing nope I know I know she lied to him why does she do you re she hates you or she at least very jealous of you cuz often when women are
02:35:35
Brian Atlasreally jealous like that they might get back at you I don't know did you steal a boyfriend or something no I flew out and did her flowers for her wedding I don't get that impression that's uh I would
02:35:49
Angeliquenever that's sick but she said she still loves her husband and then she went back my husband he was all drunk and I literally so did I know me now did did the husband
02:36:00
Alyssadid the husband uh I don't think she told him the truth he unfollowed me on Instagram like her family but how did this not get back to them I she's a lying sack of crap no but did did you
02:36:12
Brian Atlasapproach the husband and say yo come get your wife what the about I thought about telling her little sister too but I don't know well the little s the sister was there at the house how
02:36:22
Alyssawas this not like major nuclear I wish I went batshit crazy I do I wish I had my moment and I wish I went
02:36:32
Alyssacrazy okay but I did not I sat there and I did dishes cuz I mean at like 4 in the morning and then I waited for the light and I went to my parents house and this
02:36:42
Brian Atlasthis wasn't something you like you saw it yeah well just speaking briefly on the husband end of the that dude's a that's a major cuck if
02:36:53
Brian Atlasyou're going to stay with your cheating yeah what okay first off ter a couple ter really uh terrible things here your friend the Betrayal from your
02:37:05
Brian Atlasfriend and from your husband absolutely agree just doing it in your house I mean there's just so many layers to this so first off uh sorry to hear that you went through that terrible and I mean I
02:37:17
Brian Atlascertainly applaud you for uh I mean I mean for actually I it sounds like you were actually rather stoic in that moment and you know uh did not I mean I
02:37:28
Brian AtlasI wouldn't have blamed you certainly if you had a major meltdown seeing that I mean no the the but I heard later that um I Heard somewhere that I don't know if it's in
02:37:39
Alyssathe Bible but somewhere somebody told me that Jesus prays for you when you're about to go through things and I know that that was W moment that was the only thing I felt
02:37:50
Brian Atlaswait read this here read this down here I mean I do think the husband I mean you should at least make some sort of uh I I think he knows something happened oh he just he does now wants to be ignorant I
02:38:02
Brian Atlasguess all right there we go that's a good point there we go God damn that's insane uh yeah five years later that's pretty scummy uh super scummy
02:38:15
Angeliquecan I ask a question real quick um do you think that you don't have to answer if it's personal but do you think you would have married him if you guys didn't have a kid
02:38:23
Alyssatogether no I not that quickly if if I had dated him to now know the type of he's very charming and then all of a sudden it'll
02:38:36
Alyssaturn to condescending like it got to the point where I was begging him like I would walk in naked for attention and he would say things like we get it your tan or we get it you're skinny and that
02:38:47
Alyssawould like to walk away from that and that humiliation yeah and then like trying to talk to him about it laugh at me awful I just but I had no self worth I literally got married so young it
02:38:59
Alyssaturned out crappy I got divorced that was my parents were you're going to go to hell and then met and got pregnant yeah and it was just like why Alyssa do you think it changed your view of like
02:39:11
Angeliquewaiting for for sex later on in like a relationship like marriage perhaps or is it did it change that of view at all abely oh yeah no I've repented hard hardcore and that what's nice is like when I had been in bad
02:39:24
Alyssarelationships after I would seek attention and not like necessarily sexual attention but just like any type of attention to to make myself feel worth mhm and I Repent of that cuz I don't want to be that type of person so
02:39:35
SPEAKER_07it was nice cuz after that truth bomb donated $100 hate to see this you have no idea this same thing happened to me in
02:39:45
Brian Atlas15-year marriage I have since turned to my face yo truth BR I'm sorry to hear that that uh happened to you man uh yeah so wait and remind us so you when did
02:39:57
Brian Atlasthe uh infidelity occur how long ago was it you said um eight months ago no my daughter was 6 months old so like 4 and 1/2 years ago 4 and A2 years ago Hunter
02:40:08
SPEAKER_07donated $100 nothing wrong with what he did men Need Girlfriends he cheated because he was tired of the same Cat Woman protect
02:40:18
SPEAKER_07a man's spurt and men give woman children and provide materially okay there you have it from Hunter hot hot take from Hunter I should have said
02:40:27
Brian Atlasaren't you happy wait so you've not have you not uh dated at all since the incident uh the incident or like filing
02:40:37
Brian Atlasfor divorce both um no oh so you've had relationships no what do you mean like have you been seeing guys dating any guys no my heart's broken okay still
02:40:49
Daphnethink there's any chance this may come off as I hope it probably will come off disrespectful but I'm just curious do you think there's any chance that you would have stayed with him like I know
02:41:00
Brian Atlaseven after all of that happened you had stay with him I mean like the guy this hold on this was years ago the guy she died with him for years she did oh yeah yeah yeah I thought you guys were you
02:41:11
Alyssaonly divorced more recently but you were separated for much longer oh so you wait after that infidel it happened like a few months later my mom was diagnosed
02:41:22
Alyssawith cancer a month after that he was diagnosed with cancer and then it was just that like weird talking yourself into like well I can't be the now
02:41:31
Alyssathat doesn't like the guy with cancer but after that he got so just aggressive like Angry aggressive screaming at me slamming things yikes and then it it was
02:41:43
Alyssaalways my fault it was always well you did this or I'm angry because you did this and and then it was he had and I I didn't tell anybody about his infidelity so everyone had a painted picture of
02:41:54
Alyssalike him being Prince Charming cuz that's what he presented mhm and so who am I going to be the to divorce the perfect guy with cancer so I stayed
02:42:05
Alyssaand I stayed for my daughter and then she got terrified and it got to the point where it was like this isn't healthy anymore and I remember trying to talk to him
02:42:16
Alyssathat day and he laughed at me and I said I had the balls and I said I think it's time for you to go and he went H yeah and then I wrote him a letter the next morning and I said I don't want you to go I don't want this relationship to end
02:42:28
Alyssayou cannot talk to me the way you do blah blah blah and he just left and didn't say a word to me he never tried never said sorry never asked okay
02:42:38
Brian Atlasso you and that was over a year ago but you've uh from the point of the infidelity occurring and now you've not been intimate with any other men no okay
02:42:50
Alyssabut you continued being intimate with him after the infidelity yeah very rarely pretty rarely yeah he wouldn't like we were like roommates and I was so
02:43:01
Jakeembarrassed to keep trying to try to get attention from a man who treated me like that also men like normally we like won't we have certain urges do you think that the infidelity may have been more
02:43:13
JakeWID wides spanning than you you thought if he really didn't want to have sex with you do you think maybe he was getting it somewhere else dude if if he another like her friend in her
02:43:23
Brian Atlashouse this guy is a dog this guy such a dog it must there must have been I I don't if you can do that that's like going from zero to 100
02:43:32
Brian Atlasthere's got to be bro there's got to be foring uh other guys so or excuse me other there could be it was he might have been gay who knows terrible thing to think about though I had a girlfriend
02:43:44
Alyssaonce so I'm pretty sure was cheating on me for quite a while that's terrible and I can't I can't be sure it was when I was much younger but looking back and I'm like I don't know and it's like yeah I don't think he was we were very hot
02:43:55
Alyssaand heavy and that's I mean I got pregnant and then we got married like 10 months later and so it was just that or N9 months later but I never said no to him I mean
02:44:07
Alyssathat was we it was a very Lusty relationship and that's why I don't think it was founded on love he had no faith I mean he would make fun of me for
02:44:16
Jakemy political beliefs My Religion was he a liberal yeah oh God you should have should away oh I know now wait so so uh
02:44:27
Brian Atlashold on he just treated me like I was some dumb hick that's what he treated me like he made fun of my family it just wa was he qu a couple questions how tall was
02:44:38
Brian Atlashe 5'11 oh he's 5'11 okay how tall are you 58 oh 5 okay um was he wealthy he moved in with her I don't know no what did he what did he do for work don't
02:44:50
Alyssadon't dox him just like what what is he an engineer yes he's a very smart man he makes a lot of money engineer no he's a um mechanical engineer it's a good guess
02:45:00
Brian Atlasokay it's a good guess yeah uh handsome very handsome he's a good-looking guy Chad yeah very chatty chatty uhuh Chad Chad liberal I Chad he the overly
02:45:13
Alyssaconfident guy and now I've learn like you want you want the kind guy yeah he's very he has a lot of those qualities okay well uh I mean that's
02:45:25
Brian Atlasyou've certainly been through quite a lot I mean you know you said that it was who else got cancer there was someone else who had cancer my mom she passed of brain cancer sorry to hear that uh
02:45:38
Brian AtlasI mean yeah you've definitely uh that's you've been quite through a lot both in your with your better things around the corner yeah guarantee it I hope so guarantee it you you're on the whatever podcast it's all up here
02:45:49
Brian Atlasit's all uphill from here um well yeah but uh definitely seems like you've uh certainly been through quite a bit and uh although I mean my my first impression of you I mean you come off
02:46:00
Brian Atlaslike a very well put together person so I mean my Applause for uh you know keeping your life together despite some of the uh difficult things that you've
02:46:11
Brian Atlasencountered uh recently so God is good I applaud you on that so um switching to we got some more pre-show notes here we have Katie hi Katie here she's an online
02:46:22
Brian Atlascontent writer/editor you did do o uh for a year or so but you stopped in 2021 yeah were you doing you uh like just BG
02:46:33
Brian Atlascontent girl girl content or just like solo content when you mostly solo um every uh every now and then like why why
02:46:41
Katiedid you quit um honestly I never felt like I could really commit to it and I I I just couldn't um like if I really really wanted to try to make a lot of
02:46:54
Katiemoney I guess I could have done that I was a very small operation and I had a full-time job at the time and I was kind of just like being crazy and having fun and just like not really knowing what I was doing so I didn't really have a
02:47:07
Katiepurpose for doing it and then I just kind of got sick of it it was like kind of a lot of work so Props to you who do stuff like that you tell us about the there was a threesome what happened
02:47:18
Katiethere oh that that's one of my funnier stories uh that I thought might be interesting but I had a threesome um with a pregnant woman and I didn't know she was pregnant at the time but she
02:47:29
Sarah Stockjust showed up and she was pregnant and I didn't want to be rude so what do you mean she just showed up like you didn't know her hard showing I met them on
02:47:38
KatieTinder yeah it was okay it was like it wasn't like about to burst but it was like noticeable where I was like I at first I was like maybe she's just like heavy and then I was like oh no I'm pretty
02:47:51
Katiesure pretty sure she's pregnant did you at least get godmother status you know what honestly I should have asked I should have asked like this is wait I have a question uh yeah I don't know if
02:48:02
Brian Atlasyou specified this your relationship is it with a man or with a woman a man oh okay I don't know where I got that from uh okay are you bisexual though I am yes
02:48:13
Katieyeah uh so you and have you had other three Sims or is that just a single that was like my thing for a while it was like a unicorn on Tinder and it was it was like one of those things like some
02:48:23
Katiepeople have talked about um like seeking validation um cuz I had really low self-esteem and it was just like an easy way to just feel validated and good about myself uh unicorn threesome
02:48:35
Brian Atlassituations do you think you not that many I would say maybe two to three two to three oh okay uh you also wrote here your dating app experience prior to your current relationship was a practice in
02:48:46
Brian Atlasself-destruction yes too much cha that came from insecurity however I don't think a high body count necessarily means a woman should be discounted because I think trauma can cause both men and women to use sex as a coping me
02:48:58
Brian Atlasmechanism before growing learning and coming into oneself uh so you said that the dating app experience was a practice in self-destruction so I mean besides the
02:49:09
Brian Atlastwo to three threesoms were you also just having kind of uh what's the term just uh casual no there's a different term for it uh indiscriminate sex with
02:49:21
Katiekind of it it often didn't actually like lead to sex but it was a lot of First Dates um and dates that like I didn't intend to have really go anywhere it was
02:49:30
Katiejust like how can I keep like I don't know keep myself validated and busy um and typically it didn't go very far it was like a lot of douchebags and uh just
02:49:44
Katielike yeah it was shitty it sucked I didn't meet barely anyone great I don't know how will do it okay yeah tend is a bit like that and you said we touched on
02:49:54
Brian Atlasbody count a little bit here but hold on you said find the oh well we already did this but uh you we were talking about the you know the rating and in your notes here you said I also find a lot of
02:50:06
Brian Atlasthe rateyour yourself an is frustrating we were talking about physical reality and being healthy confident is not the same as thinking you're physically perfect yeah did you want to wait I think that's in response to like the 1 to 10 rating thing yeah yeah so we like
02:50:19
Katiewe already did that and I yeah I just watching the show quite a bit I find whenever someone gives an answer of like I don't know just like not I guess not wanting to do it
02:50:30
Katiebut I don't care no judgment to you guys but I I I'm like no it's just like relative to what you think about yourself okay I see what you're saying yeah like I guess I'm just saying I agree with you and what you typically
02:50:42
Brian Atlassay sure and you said uh going back to the body count thing you think I don't think a high body count necessarily means a woman should be discounted yeah cuz I think trauma can cause both men and women to use sex as a coping me
02:50:54
Brian Atlasmechanism um do you care to elaborate a little bit on that so you would would you object to a guy discounting a woman if she had a high body count I I think
02:51:05
Katieit's yeah like I'm not going to like you know yell at them or whatever but I think think they're wrong I don't necessarily think they're wrong I think as a general rule it probably is like I
02:51:17
Katieunderstand where you're coming from as a guy being like I don't want you to have a high body count but I don't think I think there are exceptions I think it's like like you said like people can go through shitty things in life and learn
02:51:30
Katieto be better and just because you had like a crazy past doesn't mean you're going to have a crazy future MH or maybe there's even someone who didn't have a crazy past and then kind of breaks and
02:51:42
Brian Atlasgoes for it like in their 30s or 40s I don't know that's where I think there can be exceptions sure well going around the table on this question um does body count matter and do you object to a man