3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134
Date: 2024-02-07
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Daphne(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_05Venus Vixen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sarah Stock(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Angelique(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Katie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Sarah Ramirez(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:11
IntroVenus Vixen introduces herself as a professional porn actress and OnlyFans creator.
“my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans”
00:08:44
Key MomentSarah Ramirez reveals she has been single her whole life and has only been on one first date.
“I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys”
00:42:12
TopicVenus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist, setting up major capitalism vs communism debate.
“I would say I'm probably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist”
00:45:55
Key MomentJake challenges Venus on communist countries, noting communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.
“communism was responsible for the death of north of a 100 million people in the 20th century”
00:46:12
Key MomentVenus says she lives in a capitalist country so she might as well benefit from it, when challenged on selling content while believing in communism.
“I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could”
00:55:17
IntroAngelique announces she is president of Life Dress, a pro-life nonprofit that hand-paints apparel.
“I am a the president of a nonprofit organization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel”
02:39:39
ControversyDaphne admits to pandering to the audience with her traditional/conservative answers.
“I think that's fair I mean I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this”
02:59:29
Key MomentBody count round reveal: Venus announces ~120 body count (majority from work scenes).
“it's eight four I can give like roundabout sure I 120 120 okay four four eight zero zero zero”
03:59:00
ControversyBrian pulls up Daphne's Instagram reels showing her making out with multiple women and other explicit content, confronting her on claiming to be 'extremely traditional'.
“that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes”
04:01:00
Key MomentDaphne acknowledges her content is not traditional but claims she's growing.
“I wouldn't make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all”
04:05:20
Key MomentBrian offers Daphne a deal: delete OnlyFans and scrub Twitter to prove traditionalism.
“I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your only fans”
04:45:56
ControversyBrian tells Daphne she is not a traditional woman, she is a modern woman, after extended contradiction between her stated values and her content.
“you're a modern woman look I'm not that's fine don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, dating history.
00:15:00
Capitalism vs. Communism/Socialism debate
Venus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist. Jake and Brian debate her on failed communist states, Cuba, North vs South Korea. Ends with Venus acknowledging communism hasn't successfully been implemented.
00:45:00
Abortion debate: pro-life vs. pro-choice
Panel split ~6 pro-life vs 2 pro-choice. Debate on when life begins (conception per biology argument), late-term abortion, legal paternal surrender, rape/incest exceptions. Angelique leads pro-life argument.
01:08:20
Physical attractiveness ratings (1-10 scale)
Guests rate themselves on 1-10 scale. Debate on whether attractiveness is objective or subjective. Discussion of women's prime attractiveness window.
01:25:00
Women's prime / age and attractiveness
Discussion on whether women peak at 18-25. Daphne agrees; Venus thinks she'll be hotter at 30; Katie and Sarah Stock disagree that 30 is past prime.
01:57:00
Body count and mate value
Extended discussion on whether body count affects a woman's value as a partner. Goes around the table. Body count round: Venus ~120 (mostly work), Jake 4, Daphne undisclosed, Sarah R 0, Sarah S 0, Angelique 0, Brian declines.
03:08:20
OnlyFans / porn industry ethics
Debate on whether porn harms relationships, trafficking in the industry, STD testing gaps (herpes/HPV not required). Brian notes porn conversations are repetitive on the show.
03:50:00
Illegal immigration and US border policy
Panel goes around on whether they'd date an illegal immigrant. Discussion of US border, other countries enforcing immigration laws, losing the country.
03:53:20
Traditional values vs. OnlyFans content (Daphne)
Brian confronts Daphne on her Instagram/Twitter content vs. her claim of being 'extremely traditional.' Reviews her public reels showing makeout sessions and suggestive content. Challenges her to delete OnlyFans to prove traditionalism.
04:00:00
2024 election: Trump vs. Biden
Panel votes: Daphne=Trump, Jake=Trump (implied), Sarah Stock=Trump, Alyssa=neither, Katie=won't say (implied Biden), Angelique=neither (pro-life litmus), Venus=implied Biden, Sarah R=skipped.
04:13:20
Dating wild stories / experiences
Brian reads pre-show notes; guests share unusual dating/relationship stories.
04:48:20
Men being pro-choice as a red flag
Sarah Stock argues pro-choice men are a red flag; discussion on what a pro-choice man's stance signals about his values toward women.
04:58:20
Friendship before dating
Discussion on whether couples should be friends before becoming romantic partners.
05:30:00
Engagement rings / marriage proposals
Discussion on whether proposal rings are necessary, diamond industry, kneeling. Guests largely want a proposal and ring.
05:53:20
Female submission / bowing debate
Discussion on whether women would bow to a man as an act of submission. Panel largely declines; Venus notes she'll do more explicit acts for work but not bow to a partner.
06:05:00
Feminism debate
Brian argues feminism is about securing benefits for women, not equality. Discussion on women in military service and selective service registration.
Transcript
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Brian Atlasnecessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location
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Daphneso where you're from an occupation go ahead hello I'm daany I'm 24 um I live in Colorado right now and I am an only
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Venus Vixenfans Creator all right welcome my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans
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Alyssaall right welcome my name is Alyssa I'm 28 I live in Santa Barbara I am a mom and a preschool teacher all right
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Katiewelcome I'm Katie I'm 28 uh I live in Los Angeles and I'm a writer SL editor of uh what what do you do uh just like online content very boring stuff
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Angeliquenothing like uh writing books or anything like that okay G it what about you I'm Angelique and I am 24 years old and I am a the president of a nonprofit
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Angeliqueorganization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel to start conversations about abortion so we can end it in our lifetimes let's go thank you okay thank you what about you hi my
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Sarah Ramirezname is Sarah Ramirez I'm 19 I'm I'm here at UCSB and I am a peer tutor what are you studying at UCSB I study math and I'm getting a minor in um math
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Sarah Stockeducation all right welcome hi I'm Sarah stock I'm 20 I'm from Newport Beach I go to Vanguard University I'm a college student and I work for Rebel news as an editor and I'm a turning point USA president
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Jakeall right welcome Sarah hey guys I'm Jake rattlesnake TV on YouTube Jake rattles SNK Instagram and Twitter I'm a YouTuber 28 years old from Australia originally but here today with a lovely panel got Taylor Swift on
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00:05:10
Brian Atlaswe're going to go around the table once more what's everybody's relationship status so single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyu sex cult uh you know
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Brian Atlasthere's all kinds of things uh how long have you been single if you're single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead so I'm single right now um I've been single
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Daphnefor I'd say 2 years maybe um the longest relationship that I had was it's a weird one but it was I would
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Daphnesay about a year and a half almost almost two years and sorry you said you were you've been single for how long about two three years two to three
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Venus Vixenyears and longest was two 1.5 to two years okay got it what about you I'm in a relationship um I've been dating somebody for like 3 months and the longest relationship I've been in is 2
00:06:11
Brian Atlasyears the guy that you're dating is he also in the adult entertainment industry no is he like a normie a civilian yeah he is is is that the term for you know what like uh people who are in the adult
00:06:24
Brian Atlasentertainment industry you call like people who don't make that kind of content civilians is that okay yeah so he's a civilian yeah what's he uh do he's a student student okay yeah you
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Alyssaguys so you guys are about the same age then I reckon he's in college okay well I'd hope he's in college um okay we have what about you um I was married but I filed for a divorce so we're separated
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Alyssaand that was my longest relationship and that was almost 5 years okay and uh that was your first marriage first and only marriage no I got married at 19 and that
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Brian Atlasonly lasted a couple years married in 19 divorced at when 21 21 and then uh you got married again when at
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Alyssa24 and then divorced again who initiated the divorce in uh for both of the marriages me they were both Unfaithful
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Alyssathey both Unfaithful yep okay um first one was more like drugs and alcohol too and then I got tired of that and then second one I I thought I married a good
00:07:31
Brian Atlasman but he was unfaithful to me okay and so how long have you been single um eight plus months eight plus months were you separated so you the divorce
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Brian Atlaswas finalized eight months ago or you were like separated for how long have you been separated eight months oh eight months okay is the divorce finalized no it will be in a couple months in a couple months okay gotcha and you said
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Brian Atlasyou have a one kid two kids yeah I have one little daughter that is that from your first marriage second marriage no second marriage second marriage have you been dating it all since the separation of your most recent relationship no I
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Katiewant to be properly single before I do that I see okay got it all right uh what about you um I'm in a relationship we've been together for almost 3 years I think
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Brian Atlasum and it's by far the longest relationship I've ever been in so yeah five year uh no no no almost three oh sorry three year okay and that's so your current relationship is the longest one
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Angeliquethat okay yeah by far got it okay cool what about you and I'm in a relationship uh it's been two and a half years and it's my longest because it's my only 2.5 years
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Sarah Ramirezokay um I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys okay
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Brian Atlassingle sense birth uh what's I mean have you been on a date um yes they were not successful dates they were not what's the longest uh
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SPEAKER_07period of time that you've seen somebody seen a guy um like I said I'm waiting for the right guy um I did have a oh hold on one sec Brandon EXT donated
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Brian Atlas$100 cat lady has an amber alert from her mental institution did she show up in a white white smok uh she did actually she showed up in a we uh is it one of those St
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Brian Atlasstraight straight jackets we're going to keep that a secret we're going to tell everyone you need your way out of it yeah they've actually allowed her to venture out of the psych ward just to
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Brian Atlasmake it onto the whatever podcast so my one opportunity to be free yes yeah um she does have an ankle monitor too no I'm kidding um thank you Brandon appreciate it so okay you're uh you've been single your whole life uh like
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Brian Atlaswhat's the most have you been on like three dates with one guy or you've only been on like just a bunch of first dates not of them worked just a couple first dates and it hasn't really worked out gone further and is that because they didn't want to see you again you didn't
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Sarah Ramirezwant to see them again mix of both I kind of had to let them down a little bit easy yeah I didn't want to see them anymore okay and um why was
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Sarah Ramirezthat I just I I didn't feel like we were on the same wavelength um when it came to certain topics and he was um um I
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Sarah Ramirezdon't want to be rude but he wasn't uh he didn't catch my interest I guess if he wasn't physically attractive uh um both ways like as a person and physically yeah okay and you said you
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Sarah Ramirezguys didn't match up on the wavelength like what what specifically like difference of values um yeah he told me he had a bunch of friends who like were doing drugs in the dorm and I was like
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Sarah Ramirezokay I'm not about that life so was he doing that good luck I don't know no cuz like I said it's only it hasn't been further than a first date yeah but um are you sophomore at UCSB yes I am
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Brian Atlassophomore okay uh are you still in the dorms or no I have a place yeah okay so this was back was this back like your freshman year okay and so that was one date didn't work out what about you've
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Sarah Ramirezhow many First Dates do you think you've been on total that's literally the only one oh you've been on one first date one first date and it I don't really like to count it I like want to start over but you want to start over guys it's it's a
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Brian Atlasdeal it's a whole deal okay so you've been on one first date have you been asked out by other guys but just not no been on dating apps at all no
00:11:44
Jakeyeah okay like I said I'm waiting I'm waiting for someone to ask okay and no one's asking at the college campus no what are these guys doing are they trying to slot into the DMS are they um
00:11:54
Sarah RamirezI actually um keep my account pretty private so like I have to get to know someone first before not like necessarily like I'm not going to accept a first date from a
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Sarah Ramirezstranger um but I don't think social media is the way to go like I would give them my number um if they had asked yeah they have asked but they I give them my number and then they don't reach out so I'm like win wink hint hint boys if
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Brian Atlasyou're watching um are you are you religious yes I am uh Christian or Christian yeah non denominational are you waiting until
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Sarah Stockmarriage yeah I am okay yeah all right uh what about you Sarah um I'm single I've never had a long serious
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Sarah Stockrelationship or anything I've had like two pretty short relationships and a lot of First Dates kind of thing how many first dates would you say you've had no
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Brian Atlasidea to be honest more than 10 more than 20 more than 30 I don't know probably around 20 over my life okay um what's the the longest
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Brian Atlasperiod of time that you've dated a guy like two and a half three months I think would you call it a situationship have you ever called
00:13:08
Brian Atlassomebody your boyfriend yeah did he call you girlfriend okay um okay two to so we'll say like what two to three
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Brian Atlasmonths all right and um you're also religious correct yeah I'm a Christian are you waiting until marriage yep have you always waited till marriage yes wa wait so okay I mean not to be too
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Jakeforward here but you're both you both are virgins is that correct yeah yes no shame just yeah okay cool I said yes all right cool all right Jake uh
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Jakewhat about you yeah single been single for two years so yeah for the longest time I've been single all right nothing's changing I mean Leslie from
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Brian Atlasour previous show was uh making some overtures uh anything happened there Jake or no we when left Leslie left we never we never found each other
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Brian Atlasagain so that was it and then her friend was the despite being in a relationship seemed like maybe a little flirtation going on you were talking upstairs Brian and then just yeah it was over it was
00:14:17
Brian Atlasover it was done it was done uh you distracted me oh shoot okay well yeah well you guys my top say that which one the oh neither of them okay all right
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Brian Atlascool all right guys um so that's everybody's relationship status I think the first thing I want to do is actually this is perhaps something new that I'd like to do as a good jumping off point
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Brian Atlassome of you have reached out to us wanting to be on the show um I like I I like to uh have discussions with people who disagree with me on things so does anybody here maybe you've seen the show before maybe
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Brian Atlasyou've seen Clips uh is there anything that any of you dis disagree with me on maybe you've seen something that you know clip from the show I think that's a
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Venus Vixenreally good place to start so anybody anybody anything jump at the yeah but like I feel like it's a lot to be honest so I don't really know a lot that you disagree with yeah I feel
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Brian Atlaslike pretty much we're on the opposite ends okay Ops yeah are we oping each other why that well we're having a conversation but uh why don't uh yeah I
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Venus Vixendon't know where to start but it would probably basically be anything if I had to just guess yeah but I'm goingon to need you to be a little more precise like you talk like a lot of politics on
00:15:39
Brian Atlasthe show you're more like conservative I would say yeah okay pretty conservative I would say I feel like I'm pretty vague when it comes to my politics and I
00:15:49
Brian Atlastypically don't get super political but I mean I'm very conservative if you would like to but if you want to take the lead I mean I look I'll yeah I'd say
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Venus VixenI I I'm moderate to conservative is okay yeah I don't want to tell you like you know what I mean because it's
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Venus Vixenmy opinion and your no I don't whatever so okay what what do you disagree with me on like everything like I would say I'm
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Venus Vixenprobably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist that's a good place to start okay right there so so okay so you're so you're a
00:16:33
Brian Atlassocialist SL communist yeah okay so do you think uh what's like the tenant of Communism you don't believe that you believe in private property yeah do you believe in that's what
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Venus Vixenelse see it's really hard to navigate these kinds of conversations but it's basically like you can look at how we kind of are like America right now and how we are like economically like most
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Venus VixenAmericans are living like under the poverty line you know what I mean and like even people who are getting $100,000 salary $200,000 they're living paycheck to paycheck and I just think
00:17:07
Jakeeverybody like livable wages should be happening you know what I mean cost of living should be point me to an example where communism or socialism provided a better quality of life than the life in
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Venus VixenAmerica I think Cuba was really promising up until the US like started putting do you realize how much on you how much of a hole is that's
00:17:30
Jakebecause of the United States so you don't think it's the fact that the government went and nationalized everything and they put Shay gavara in as the head of economics in Cuba somebody who had never done that before they nationalized the industries you don't think that a bunch of Guerilla
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Venus VixenWarfare Fighters coming into Havana and taking over the country I think Cuba had a promising chance up until the United States started putting like restrictions on Cuba and that's part of the reason why Cuba is
00:17:54
Jakeso but do you not think retreating rest you not think that it was like there was a part of it that might have been the Socialist Factor the fact that they nationalized everything and didn't know what they were doing I mean I can agree
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Venus Vixenwith you the point that it hasn't been like as effective as it could have been played out like in any case so it hasn't successfully like okay so Cuba is not a good example do you have another good
00:18:16
Jakeexample of another country that has done a good job with socialism and communism no do you know it's been tried many times Soviet Union did it no good China did it Vietnam did it La did it Cambodia did it okay but capitalism isn't doing
00:18:28
Jakegreat either capitalism is doing a lot better than communism a lot better and if you look at the rise in the third world at the moment that's all because of free free markets and it's all because of cheap energy and all these things that capitalism Pro provides
00:18:41
Brian Atlasthanks Killian wait so would you like to see would you like to see the US become a communist country I think like there needs to be like kind of how communism
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Venus Vixenis laid out like I still think there's flaws within that right like I'm not trying to say it's a perfect solution I just think on a baseline it would be more effective like most people would have a better quality of life would
00:19:05
SPEAKER_07there here Brandon Lee donated $100 another vapid 304 selling her flesh while whining about capitalism do you
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Venus Vixennot realize what you are doing is capitalism do you do you have a response to Brandon Lee here yeah so I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of
00:19:28
Brian Atlaslife I could could just because I believe in something doesn't mean that I should struggle or be poverty stricken what is I I actually I think there is actually a good counterargument to this maybe Jake you're familiar with it this
00:19:39
Brian Atlasthis whole like well because I I think it's really important that like both while your side whatever side puts forth like really solid arguments and I think the counter to that is like typically people when it comes to Communism
00:19:51
Brian Atlasthey'll argue well you have an iPhone but I don't think that's a very compelling argument because like people are going to if they're born into a society they're going to have to maneuver through that Society with the
00:20:03
Brian Atlasrules that have been placed so there having an iPhone in in the eyes of a communist that having an iPhone is a bad thing no it's more so just and I'm I'm not in favor of Communism but it's I'm
00:20:14
Brian Atlasjust trying to steal man like the capitalist position like I I'm not sure if the best argument is well you engage in capitalism so why are you in favor of
00:20:24
JakeCommunism do you like I I can't think of the actual the Ste man for it but um I appreciate cuz Brandon kind of said that she's engaging in capitalism but you do live in a capitalist society and I'm not
00:20:36
Jakesaying there's no problems with capitalism but by far in a way it's the best system we've ever tried and you just have to look at the evidence and you can literally I went to Korea last year and I went to South Korea and I went to the demilitarized zone which is
00:20:48
Jakeon the border of North Korea and it is night and day between those two countries because one of them embraced a Soviet style communist system or socialist system and one of them embraced a western style capitalist
00:20:59
Jakesystem you go to Cambodia and you look at what happens when the CH Rouge came and took over absolute brutality and that's because equality has to be forced because human beings are inherently
00:21:12
SPEAKER_07different before I before you respond we're not going to linger too long we're not going to linger too mot Sports donated $100 tell me you know Jack crap about
00:21:22
SPEAKER_07economics in plain language check in the little box on your tax return where it ask ask how much extra you want to pay
00:21:31
Jakehow much do you write in bet it is zero what in the law box on your tax return yeah when it asks how much extra you want to pay but I think essentially what you're saying there's is that
00:21:44
Jakethere's economic disparity in America and you're saying that it's unfair yeah it is unfair but life's unfair and we can we can we can do better certainly but I'm telling you and I can explain it to you more if you'd like throughout the
00:21:55
Angeliquepodcast communism not the answer there are answers communism not it I have a question could I ask you a question about that just to get your get more of a sense of what you believe you said that you can't really like tell us
00:22:07
Angeliqueexactly what country has socialism that you can point to and say that's a positive if there if there was one would you move there and then give up the work that you do because you wouldn't be able to do it under that um that governmental
00:22:19
Venus Vixenstru like I would give up my work to have like on a baseline be around a community where there is a higher quality of life than America but didn't you say that there you can't point to a country that has that so where would you
00:22:30
Venus Vixengo no I'm I'm saying like communism and socialism is kind of the closest thing to what I believe in I haven't seen it played out and it's not exactly that but it would be the closest thing to kind of
00:22:42
Venus Vixenput language into it as so how can you believe it's something is great if you've never seen it be great I never said it was great I said it's like what I believe to be the best system have you seen it be great not the not has
00:22:54
Venus VixenCommunism ever worked no and this is what I'm saying like it's the closest thing to what I believe in but I think that when you when you just look at it on the on the raw facts though communism was responsible for the death of north
00:23:06
Jakeof a 100 million people in the 20th century so when you look at that ideology and you say you know what I think we should try it again you have your
00:23:18
Jakedetractors okay but I do get what you're saying because you you believe in equality and you think that like and you've arrived at this you go do you go to university or college um I dropped
00:23:29
Jakeout okay did you hear a little bit of this sort of rhetoric propaganda at University is that where you pick these ideas up yeah um yeah but I also think
00:23:39
Venus Vixenit's really tricky because I mean we're all like we have like a capitalist scope on things so it's the way we're viewing communism is Al through like how we've been socialized and how our you can go
00:23:50
Jaketo communist countries see how see how it is I haven't had the opportunity yet you know what I mean like I'm still very like young and I understand because when I was your age I actually used to think similarly I used to be like a Bernie
00:24:01
JakeSanders bro like Alexandria oazia or Cortez you know I used to love it I used to think so everyone can just be equal and it'll be the best but then after a while when you look into it and you realize that actually it's manufactured
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SPEAKER_07equality and when you try and manufacture equality it leads to brutality but you know keep going you'll get there Brandon Lee donated $100 thank you Brandon there is no country that
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SPEAKER_07makes the example of Communism to be anywhere near our current Society your learning life has failed you stick to learning about how to get guys
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Brian Atlasoff do you have a response to Brandon Lee I know he's tipping a lot for this so you know redirect him yeah um well so
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Brian Atlasthank you Brandon appreciate it I have a question so look I'm not super well versed in this topic but uh under communism would there be currency yeah there'd be currency so
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Venus Vixenthere'd be still we still have US dollars so what I'm I'm trying to say right is that I don't fully believe in communism as how communism is that's just the closest thing to what I believe in and that's why I was trying to like
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Venus Vixenaddress some of the things that I do believe in like I think there should be like a baseline of like livable wages and and things like that so it's more so
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SPEAKER_07things that I would like to have at for the community as a whole V donated $100 CU is 90 m from Key West you can
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Brian Atlasswimming decent I guess if you were to swim from Miami to uh to Cuba would it be a breast stroke would it be butterfly what's your preferred backstroke that would be a good way to get there um
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Brian Atlasthank you uh doc vanis good to see you in the chat well okay so so under communism let's say there's somebody who's a doctor and then somebody who's a
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Brian Atlassecretary um how are they like are they both compensated equally like the same
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Brian Atlasamount yeah so the secretary who need not spend hundreds thousands of hours attaining
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Brian Atlassecondary uh like other forms of Education she's compensated just as well as the doctor so what the incentive for somebody in a communist Society where
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Brian Atlaseverything is supposedly provided for them to to like put in all this extra effort like also what about who who wants to be a janitor or who wants a
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Venus Vixendirty or dangerous job under communism wouldn't everybody just want to so there are some places that aren't Communists but they do like have certain like other developed countries like the Netherlands
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Venus Vixenright where they have a pretty high quality it's not communist but three times it's I'm getting there I'm getting to the point that I'm making I'm not
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Venus Vixensaying it's a communist mhm whatever but they have um like livable wages and higher taxes right and one of the things you look at is when everyone has enough
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Venus Vixento live the incentive to make more money or a lot of Europe like doesn't have a lot of millionaires because there's not that drive to have this excess of wealth
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Sarah Ramirezwhen you can survive that it's just not natural you know what I mean like can I ask something the Netherlands um getting rid of like the labels capitalism
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Sarah Ramirezsocialism communism can you give us like an idea of what the ideal Society system would be like you don't have to stick to any like any names just like if I were
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Sarah Ramirezin charge if I could set up a country to run a certain way how would you want it to run like specifically okay like is there like one
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Venus VixenAvenue like economics economically okay um yeah I feel like that's a little bit better too because I feel like trying to stick to a label but
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Venus Vixenthat would be the closest thing um I think equal pay for everyone would be like a good start there would still be an incentive people still want to be
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SPEAKER_07Doctors Without pay I mean Cuba actually has the highest Hunter donated $100 definitely drinking the water that turns the frogs gay it does turn the
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Jakefrogs gay um so you said that I want I want to hear her answer yeah yeah she so she just said that there would be incentives and I'm saying that do you think that there would be incentives like do you think that we would get the
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Venus Vixenbest quality there um I mean yeah that's why I believe in it but also like you said what would be the incentive to become like a doctor or something like that when Cuba has the most doctors per capita you know what I mean like people
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Jakestill want to be doctors people naturally want to help each other do you think they're good they're the best doctors well I don't know I can't what's the life expectancy in Cuba probably low lower than here but you can't really trust the government's numbers though
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Jakethat's fair yeah this is the problem in Cuba though I've got a my barber back in Brisbane is cu Cuban shout outs to YZ um and his mom is a doctor and he says that she gets she basically makes the same
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SPEAKER_07with somebody who flips burgers in the United States she just makes absolutely no money and she's a doctor Mount whateverest donated
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Jake$100 communism has failed and will fail at every nation that has tried RFK J 2024 yep um yeah so I mean just it's just human nature though that the the
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Jakereason why people strive to be the best and succeed is because they get they get paid more and they get more Prestige but in those countries there is no Prestige with those jobs they're slaves any any other economic policies
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SPEAKER_07because you mentioned the Netherlands and yeah so they have they have high taxes hold on Alie donated $100 My Philosophy best summed up by the
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Brian Atlasher thank you Alfie um that is a bit more dating related I appreciate it thanks Alfie um I think you were asking can ask her a followup question yeah so you mentioned the Netherlands and what
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Jakeis it particularly the social safety nets like cuz when you when you talk about Scandinavian countries I think that a lot of people refer to their social safety net and these things that they've got going on is that what what you like about those countries that
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Venus Vixenthey've got robust social safety nets yeah and they they also like have the highest quality of life like people are happiest there than anywhere else which I think says something you know what I mean cuz people complain in the states
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Venus Vixenabout high taxes but it's what we're doing with that tax money when we're asking for more when the government's asking for more well they have some pretty high
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Jakesui rates in in those Nordic countries but with the social safety nets though do you understand that those it's like comparing apples and oranges when you compare America to to the Scandinavian
00:31:05
Jakecountries because for a number of reasons first of all they're very very resource rich like country like Norway has more money than it knows what to do with it so like these countries are very they they just throw money into into
00:31:17
Jakethese social programs most the population like 10 it's no it's like 4 million or something and also they're very very culturally homogeneous as well they're very strict with immigration you don't have that in in America you guys
00:31:28
Jakepay a price for how lenient you are with your borders and everything so there comparing apples and oranges but they do have like I have spent time in some of those countries especially Holland and they do have social safety nets but
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Sarah Stockthey're pretty different to those countries to here I have a question mhm so do you think that your life would be better like how would it personally affect you if the United States was more socialist I
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Venus Vixenthink interesting um I don't know I think it would have affected me probably a couple like two years ago
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SPEAKER_07more so than now Doc venil is donated $100 doctors are used as slave labor in Cuba the doctors are sent to work in
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SPEAKER_07Mexico and Venezuela and those countries pay Cuba doctors earn $30 a month within Cuba cab drivers earn much more doc vavis thank you very much
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Brian Atlasthat's a good point like what under a communist societ like what is the incentive to work hard if the person who doesn't even work gets the same exact benefits and privileges as you it
00:32:37
Venus Vixenbecomes like more personal and less on Sur survival so one of the things why money is an incentive is because money raises your quality of life here like people still have an incentive to be doctors there because naturally there
00:32:49
Angeliqueare some people who want to help people like in other ways than just how much this is going to pay me or how little this is going to pay you mentioned that you did you just say it would have benefited you a little while ago but not anymore is that cuz you make more money
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Venus Vixennow because you're doing what you're doing yeah so I'm like I benefit from capitalism now like but if you weren't benefiting from it then you'd want to live in a socialist community no I I would want to either way but I am saying that I like do benefit from capitalism
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Angeliqueso you're benefiting from capitalism now means you see capitalism in a good light because you're benefiting from it right but if you weren't I I still see the flaws in it but I do benefit from it so if you making a lot of money right now you'd want to give like most of that
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Venus Vixenmoney away I do give a decent amount of the money that I make away I definitely stop the cap what do you mean you away where do
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Venus Vixenyou give it like not only that but like in my daily life but also I like donate like I also like to who who' you donate to like things I believe in like it's
00:33:47
Venus Vixennot one specific thing it kind of changes as it fluctuates what percentage would you say you donate I don't have an exact percentage like roughly or like a couple organizations like any organization you've donated to three
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Venus Vixennonprofits go ahead okay I'm like getting nervous but one of the things like also in my daily life is like I give to people that
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DaphneI know you know what I mean like three organizations three any anything
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Jakeum just two I'm trying to think like I yeah sometimes sometimes it'll Escape you we understand look we I appreciate you actually having this conversation cuz I know it feels like there's like a lot of
00:34:30
Jakepeople ganging up on you right now but you did come and say you're a Socialist Communist yeah so it's got the starting point yeah yeah uh
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Sarah Stockanyways well the reason I'm asking is like is the reason you want it is because you want people to like do you feel like some people are entitled to other people's money because that's
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Venus Vixenbasically what socialism is I don't think like other people are entitled to other people's money but I think everyone should be like I don't think people should be living on the street you know what I mean on a
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Jakebaseline like I think the wealth disparity in the United States is like a crisis that's what I'm trying to get at the the the notion that you're talking about where people will become doctors just because they want to help people
00:35:14
Jakeand stuff it's so verifiably untrue even if you look at the example that you said Cuba when shayar was in the in charge of the finances there he ran this big campaign where he was going to get everybody to to Rally around the nation
00:35:26
Jakeand everybody to around Cuba and to do their work and it failed so miserably because people were just like but you we're not really paying us so like why would we do it and there was a um a saying in the Soviet Union that was they
00:35:39
Jakepretend to pay us we pretend to work which meant that the government just pretends to pay us and we just pretend to do the work so nothing actually gets done but when you look at a capitalist system for all its flaws and you know
00:35:50
Jakeyou've done a good job in identifying some of the flaws um one of the biggest strengths is that people are incentivized you can literally Come From the Bottom and we have such social and economic mobilization in capitalist countries that you can get to the
00:36:01
Jakeabsolute top and there are many examples of that but if you go to countries that have been decimated by communism like when you spend time in Cambodia the only people that are rich are the high level
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Sarah Stockmilitary personnel and government that's it a great example of a country that socialism has taken over is Venezuela they were doing better than the United States economically and then they
00:36:25
Sarah Stockactually voted in socialism it's one of the few count countries they voted in it wasn't even a dictator that took over anything and then now it it like they wouldn't even be able to afford like a
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Sarah Stockmeal for their family a week they have like the inflation was so bad because the government just kept on printing more and more money and that's honestly also what's happening in the states it's because more socialist policies have been implemented and that's actually lowered the standard of living because
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Jakewe've been printing more and more money there are some correlations there but yeah Venezuela like she said it's another good example and there was a guy named um Hugo Chavez in the early in the 1990s that was president of Venezuela
00:37:02
Jakeand he and Venezuela at this time was one of the burgeoning countries in the world economically and they had all these like natural resources and they were killing it and all these celebrities were going to Venezuela and and it was amazing and then he brought in socialism and this where he
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Jakenationalized the industries and this is one of the great dangers of socialism which is which is what maybe you haven't quite realize yet is that when the government nationalizes things they're normally pretty bad at it normally pretty bad at it like you look at South
00:37:29
JakeAfrica at the moment I don't know if you guys have seen much about what's happening in South Africa at the moment the government nationalized everything thec bless them and uh it's it's it's basically a failed State it's falling
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Jakeapart so it happens when the government nationalizes things because they don't have the incentive it's not people making money off it and businesses yeah I think it's also you talking about like different countries it's interesting when you think about if you travel to
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Angeliqueother countries and you interact with the people there like for example well I work I run a nonprofit where I go and like do workshops and stuff with people in different countries and something that I always hear most places that I go to is that people want to come to the
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AngeliqueUnited States like it's just a it's just a trend like if you travel and you go and you see other cultures a lot of times people are interested in coming to the United States for various reasons mostly financially like if you go to a country that's really struggling and
00:38:20
Angeliquethey're not a capitalist Society they want money from the United States they're expect they see a United States person and they say money like that's what they look gu you know so something to think about because I mean you said you're from Florida right or you live in
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AngeliqueFlorida I live in Florida last time I was in Fort Lauderdale I thought I was in Cuba and it's really interesting because it shows that like people want to be in the United States you know people want to come to America because
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Venus Vixenthey see it as not only a place of freedom but a place for economic gain so like I was like born in like the poorest part of the country like Appalachia right and like that's where I'm from so I think like a lot of my opinions do
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Venus Vixenhave to do with seeing the wealth disparity as such a first firstand experience that I think maybe some people like haven't got to see that it's like it honestly like in a lot of way
00:39:05
SPEAKER_07it's like there are people that still like have ouses you know what I mean the poor Hunter donated $100 this has got to be the most boring conversation I'm sitting here with my
00:39:18
Brian Atlasleft hand in my pants and have never been more turned off um we've talked about this for a little too long I'll have a brief back and forth with you please don't anybody else jump in and then 2 minutes and then we'll move back
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Brian Atlasso um Hunter thank you for your TT uh TTS appreciate it so question for you if if nobody wants to work and they just
00:39:41
Brian Atlaswant to go in and take the free bread every morning what happens if you multiply that by everybody I think you underestimate the degree to which people are
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Venus Vixenlazy I mean maybe but there's no like indicator for that there's no indicator that people are lazy like or how like many people are lazy or like whatever
00:40:04
Brian Atlaswhat would happen like over a certain period of time what would happen over a okay I mean there's also this uh concept of the tragedy of the
00:40:15
Brian Atlascommons like everybody owns something nobody owns it like if collectively everybody owns everything so nobody's going to give a damn about it nobody's going to take care of it and everything
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Brian Atlasjust Withers into disre uh disrepair I mean most people in my generation won't be able to afford a home so I think it's kind of like the same thing well I think we can also acknowledge look I mean I think anybody who's in favor of capitalism can obviously acknowledge
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Brian Atlasthat it's not perfect and there's flaws and there's losers in the system but I mean there is no better system that so far devised as
00:40:51
Brian Atlascapitalism because like okay you you have you may very well have Fair criticisms in valid criticisms of capitalism but it's not clear to me if the answer
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Venus Vixenis let's just tear it all down and in install a new system I guess like that would be where my opinion is is like it would be the
00:41:12
Brian Atlasclosest thing like what something closer to so are you merely just a a Critic of capitalism I guess more so yeah but I mean you said you're socialist/communist
00:41:24
Brian Atlasyeah that would be that's like the closest thing to identify with for me or where but you can I mean you can still be in favor of capitalism but also acknowledge here's some way ways
00:41:35
Brian Atlascapitalism gets it wrong here's some ways we can improve it I don't know where I sit on that because the system that
00:41:45
Brian Atlasyou're suggesting that we switch to Communism is I mean it's been attempted it's failed I suppose in some perfect way like if if we're if you're expecting
00:41:58
Brian Atlaspeople to move in the most idealistic way then perhaps it could work but people break rules people break
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Brian Atlassystems I so if if you have imperfect actors who are criminals for
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Brian Atlasexample you have people that can be uh greedy if those greedy people become the uh people that hold the power I guess in this communist soci Society aren't how's
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Venus Vixenthat going to work then it does like corruption if corruption happens then are humans corrupt naturally are humans I don't think so you don't think naturally like I feel when there's no
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Venus Vixenincentive to be greedy which greed usually like is a survival like instinct then I don't think naturally most people like well so how result to corruption
00:42:53
Brian Atlasbut so you're saying you're saying if there's like this base level of that people could reach then we would live in some like Utopia I'm not saying like everything would be perfect all the time on a Basel let's say the standard of
00:43:05
Brian Atlasliving for everyone everyone had health insurance everybody had food everybody had house you you don't think there'd be people that want
00:43:13
Brian Atlasmore I think maybe some but it would be pretty sparse pretty sparse okay all right okay um we're going to move on from the yeah guys go to twitch.tv /
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Brian Atlasexploit labor my typer your uh chatter I run it all myself okay all right um
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Brian Atlasthat's a good question do you exploit labor do I exploit lab my own I I guess oh okay all right good to dude
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Brian Atlasstochastic Decay good to see you um this so is there anything not uh maybe more dating related that you disagree with us
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Brian Atlason or is it more just like I'm super left leaning I view you as like conservative so like you're more generally disagreeing
00:45:21
Brian Atlaspolitically yeah well you do have a couple women here who are um uh prolife and I suspect given your political leanings are pro-choice is that fair to say yeah okay I'll be
00:45:34
Jakeinterested to see where the table is on that yeah why don't we see like who's pro-choice who's pro- life pro life well here start with you we'll go around the table pro- lifee
00:45:45
Jakepro-choice very pro- lifee pro-choice pro- life pro- life pro- lifee I already said anti-abortion every day okay so we
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Brian Atlashave is it two versus what six seven um abortion is the greatest human rights and Justice of our time say that again
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Brian Atlasoh she's wearing the shirt I the greatest human rights and Justice of our time all right there you have it um just a fact just a fact wait so uh you know before I have like me maybe before me
00:46:18
Brian Atlasand Jake weigh in as somebody who's Pro uh who's pro-choice um do you think I often hear hear the term no no
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Venus Vixenuterus no opinion do you do you concur do you agree with that um not 100% okay cuz it's like I feel like a father should have rights do you know what I mean and should have a say I feel like
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SPEAKER_07ultimately because it's a woman in her body she should have the majority one seilan 111 seilan 111 quintilian 111
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Brian Atlasthis oh my God uh thank you one trillion billion thank you thank you thank you um wait you said that you think fathers should have rights but so we're I mean if we're talking about abortion so are
00:47:27
Brian Atlasyou arguing that men should be able to compel women to get abortions um kind I'm just kidding no I think they should have a say you know what I mean like do you
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Venus Vixenmean how should how would a man have a say in the in the realm of like pro- lifee or Pro I feel like they should have an opinion I mean not an overpowering opinion not an opinion that
00:47:49
Brian Atlasovershadows but you specifically I think if correct me if I'm wrong I think you specifically said men should have rights fathers should have rights yeah I feel like related yeah in terms of like court
00:48:02
Brian Atlasand child support and just all of that nature women usually do have like a benefit over that but spec I mean since we're specifically talking about abortion do you think men should be able
00:48:14
Brian Atlasto compel women to have abortions compel them to like let's say she wants to keep the kid he doesn't want to keep the kid should he be able to compel her to get
00:48:26
Venus Vixenan abortion no oh okay cuz you said like father's rights in the context of abortion have a convers keep the child then like I say like okay so there's should be allowed there's a concept called Legal paternal
00:48:38
Brian Atlassurrender where after the child's born or even before the child's born the father can say well obviously he can't have a say in terms of compelling her to have the child but he could say well I'm not going to be I don't want any
00:48:50
Brian Atlasparental rights and I don't want any financial responsibility or parental responsibility and that's uh it's a men's right position legal paternal surrender mhm so you're in favor of that
00:49:01
Brian Atlasyeah okay that's not I mean it's semi- related to the abortion issue but it's not really Central to it um although I would I would certainly agree with you that for example in any state where abortion is legal uh certainly there
00:49:13
Brian Atlasshould be a corresponding legal paternal surrender where a man could say well I uh you know if if a woman has a right to murder the child I ought to at least be
00:49:23
Brian Atlasable to uh get uh do away with my uh parental responsibilities and obligations so that when when it comes to child support or any sort of Parental
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Daphneresponsibility uh I think that's a fair position is there like a certain cut off I know that abortion there's like a isn't there a time frame of when you can and can't get
00:49:44
Daphneone do you support late term abortions is that what it's called when it's later on would you like support that or be an
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Venus Vixenadvocate for a late term abortion um I I mean it's not my you know my body so yeah I mean pretty much it's not my choice to make it's someone else's I
00:50:04
Brian Atlasdon't think I should take that from someone uh oh no I think oh yeah that's uh he was dropping okay hold on let me I'm going
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Jaketo look into that continue on with the conversation guys if you had to say from your standpoint though if you had to make a cut off of when you think is a reasonable time where where it's it's no longer ethical to have an abortion what
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Venus Vixenwould that cut off be my whole stance is that I don't think it's my my choice to make that for other people so if if a woman was if a woman
00:50:39
Jakewas in labor and she said I want to kill this baby you would be no okay so then what's the cut off then I mean like labor is like in process of giving birth
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Jakea day before yeah yes you think that it's fine have you ever seen what it looks like yeah an abortion taking place yeah you have you have seen that what does it look like I mean there's like different
00:51:02
Jaketypes of abortion you can take the pill you think you can take a bill no in terms of a late term abortion like the day before let's say do you know what that I've seen what like a full term like fetus looks like yeah what's the
00:51:15
Angeliquedifference between the baby a day before the woman goes into labor and then well the woman's in labor what's the what's what's the difference between those children like why does one get the right
00:51:26
Venus Vixento life the other one doesn't I just think it's prioriti until the child is born I think you should prioritize the you said the person bearing the child first their mental health their body
00:51:39
Angeliqueeverything but are you agreeing that there's another person involved I mean potentially there could be I don't potentially or is there because if you were if someone were to get killed you wouldn't say potentially
00:51:50
Jakesomeone got killed you'd be like someone got killed that's crazy okay then no so there is another person involved no so just just to make both of your your stances clear you both don't think that
00:52:02
Katielike when when do you think that The Unborn becomes a person I I would disagree with that I am not as extreme in that way um I'm I'm pro-choice but I would say I used to be much more aloof with it like anybody should be able to
00:52:15
Katieget an abortion not at any time but like in a reasonable amount of time um which I I don't know exactly what that would be um and the more I listen to podcasts like this and other things that talk
00:52:26
Katieabout this I would say I I completely agree that there needs to be like a serious cut back and like you probably know the statistics of how much it happens that it's like crazy it's probably like really out of control how
00:52:38
Katiemuch what happens how much abortion happens um like I think that there's probably a lot of people using it as um you know a backup plan control exactly and I don't agree with that I I do think
00:52:50
Katiethat there's probably a lot of benefit coming it back if you had to say when do you think that a human life becomes a human life that's tough I I would say it's pretty early for me like I think you know when it's just the first little cells that
00:53:03
Jakeusually everyone talks about like I would say yeah that's reasonable to just found out you were pregnant what if I were to tell you that it's an unsalable scientific fact that a human life becomes a human life at the moment of
00:53:14
Katieconception that that would be a a claim it's like hard for me to fully believe that but if if you like propaganda is real if you could fully convince me of
00:53:24
Angeliquethat then yeah I would say that biologists age that at conception so if if we're deciding when someone lives or dies I think we have to have a definitive point you know we can't just arbitrarily pick a point pregnancy to
00:53:37
Angeliquedecide whether someone has the right to life or not and since biology does say fertilization is the start of life it seems to me that that's the only like viable time we can say that that's when life begins and therefore we must
00:53:49
Jakeprotect all life from the moment of conception all the way up until birth and afterwards too seems like you're very open-minded about it which is good and I think that if you if you follow this path of logic you'll you'll eventually find yourselves with your
00:54:02
Jakeback up against the wall where you realize that it is it's not it's not even scientifically contested with anybody who's worth their salt in the field of biology to say that human life doesn't begin at the moment of conception mhm so I mean you find
00:54:16
Jakeyourself in a position and I've done this as well I used to be pro life I used to be pro-choice sorry myself right and eventually you just confronted with the facts and you and it's it's you can't really I don't if this was asked
00:54:27
Brian Atlasone question for you do you have a sense of like should a woman be able to get an abortion at any point throughout the pregnancy or do you have a cut off I feel like that's her choice I feel like
00:54:39
Brian Atlasit's not for me to decide for someone else for example like would you be okay with women being able to get abortions uh a day before they would otherwise give
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Venus Vixenbirth I mean like I said it's not my choice it's for somebody else I feel like it's excessive to do it at that point but at the end of the day I'm not I don't why is it excessive what's wrong with with an abortion right before birth
00:55:03
Venus Vixenor whether it's right after conception what's the fundamental difference I mean as something's developing like it feels like it's like oh that's right there at the cut off do you know what I mean so that feels
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Venus Vixenlike there's a reasonable time in which but late term abortions don't happen that frequent right but just just just in terms of having an intellectual
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Brian Atlasconversation about it um are would you be be okay with a woman getting an abortion a day before she would otherwise have a healthy body that is her body that is her choice it is not my
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Venus Vixenchoice for what someone should do or shouldn't like what I would do is I wouldn't have an abortion at all but that's me why wouldn't you have an abortion because I feel like for me like what aligns with me I wouldn't want to
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Angeliquedo that but it's not my choice to make that for someone else when you say it doesn't align for you is it like a moral thing for you that you wouldn't have an abortion because you think it kill moral the whole thing is morality but for you you said that you wouldn't have one is
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Angeliqueit a moral thing for you yes the whole topic is moral so yes if I were to say I'm for child abuse but you guys aren't therefore I can abuse my child because I personally am not like Against Child
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AngeliqueAbuse or would you step in and say um excuse me you can't abuse your child right like Moral Moral issues are our problems it's your problem too you know you can't just say I'm personally pro-life but you can do whatever you
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Angeliquewant you see there are different things that it's that's an extreme I don't think so I mean killing a child could in some ways seem worse than just abusing your child but the point is if it's a
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SPEAKER_07moral issue oh Wy 5 donated $100 roughly 63.5 million children murdered since Roi Wade was enacted
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SPEAKER_07almost as many as the estimated 70 million murdered by their own government under communist Russia pick better beliefs like why HW thank you wiely did you want to continue
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Angeliqueon with your thread yeah I I just want to understand in the sense of morality since you agree it's moral issue right like that's we can agree on that at least right yeah I mean most things are a moral issue right and so if let's talk about another moral issue where you
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Angeliquewould agree that there should be some kind of objective reality right like do you agree child abuse is wrong yes why what do you mean why because it harms children right yes we can agree on that
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Venus Vixenand we can agree on many other moral issues where we can both say oh that's wrong that's hurting somebody else right but this is like a more tricky topic like it's not as black and white as like hitting a child or something like that