HEATED DEBATE w/ Destiny! OBNOXIOUS Feminist KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #75

Date: 2023-05-17

Duration: 5h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDestiny (Streamer)>

MMolina Jorenson >

PPixie (DT130)>

BBilly Ray (DT101)>

JJonathan (MLD)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_02Aaron(guest)

SPEAKER_03Pixie(guest)

SPEAKER_04John Doyle(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jonathan (MLD)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Destiny's Sister(guest)

SPEAKER_07Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Destiny(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nev(guest)

SPEAKER_11Billy Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mary Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_13Molina(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyAaron repeatedly refuses to answer whether she is a virgin despite panel and audience pressure, deflecting with philosophical questions about the definition of virginity.

“Have you had sex? 'What does it mean to be a virgin?' Repeated for 15+ minutes.”

QuoteDestiny states Destiny endorses whatever podcast as his most-donated-to YouTube channel.

“SPEAKER_09 (0:00:35): 'You're my favorite YouTube... that's true, that's the one I've donated the most.'”

QuoteChase discloses he became abstinent in 2020, citing biblical conviction and desire to honor God.

“SPEAKER_01: 'I made the decision to be abstinent... because I knew it was a sin against my own body... and I wanted God to reward me in turn for that and quite honestly he has.'”

ControversyBrian asks Aaron directly why she came on the show and whether she is acting in bad faith.

“SPEAKER_08: 'Why did you come on tonight?' Aaron: 'To have a discussion.' Brian: 'If you liked the show you would actually be good faith.'”

ControversyAaron is asked to leave the show after prolonged bad-faith engagement and refusal to answer the virginity question.

“Chase: 'Kindly, I'm asking you to leave.' Aaron: 'I drove all the way to this city so I'm here.' Brian kicks her off.”

QuoteDestiny's critique of Andrew Tate: materialistic message and alleged sex trafficking.

“SPEAKER_09: 'I wish that when we talked about delivering like purpose to young men it wasn't wrapped up in such a materialistic package...'”

QuoteDestiny argues men need to incorporate feminine traits (emotional intelligence) the same way women have incorporated masculine traits into their success.

“SPEAKER_09: 'Women have incorporated successfully a lot of aspects of masculinity into their character... men have basically they're kind of still masculine but we haven't worked on rounding out how men navigate the world'”

QuoteMLD introduces his 'Core Four' framework for men: make money, make muscles, learn game, hold frame.

“SPEAKER_05: 'I tell guys... the core four which is make money make muscles learn game and hold frame.'”

QuoteDestiny argues the difference between the two sides: 'It feels like on our side we're talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys are talking about relationships like they're meant to be endured.'

“SPEAKER_09: 'It feels like on our side we're talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys are talking about relationships like they're meant to be endured.'”

QuoteJohn Doyle argues men's suicide rates are high because they see no way out rather than just being unhappy.

“SPEAKER_04: 'Women experience depression in a much more environmental sense... men experience depression when there's no way out of that environment... that's why we just kill ourselves.'”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation. Brian asks relationship statuses. Destiny and Molina disclose open/poly marriage. Aaron's evasiveness about dating history begins.

Open relationships and polyamory debate

Destiny and Molina discuss their open relationship. Panelists debate monogamy vs polyamory, cuckoldry in red-pill culture, whether sexual exclusivity is essential to marriage.

Feminism debate: patriarchy, oppression, and women's roles

Feminist guests (Aaron, Pixie) vs conservative guests on whether women are oppressed, definition of patriarchy, sexual double standards, Only Fans and employment.

Self-ratings and audience super chats

Guests rate themselves on appearance (1-10 scale). Destiny: 10, Chase: 6.9, Billy: 10, John Doyle: 7, MLD: 9, Nev: 6, Mary: 6.

Aaron kicked off the show

After prolonged bad-faith engagement and refusal to answer the virginity question, Brian and panel vote to remove Aaron. Aaron leaves at approximately 2:20.

Andrew Tate discussion

Destiny explains why he dislikes Andrew Tate: materialistic message, alleged sex trafficking, selling spiritually bankrupt path to success. MLD and Chase push back and defend Tate's impact.

Men's crisis and how to support men

Panel debates what men need: Destiny advocates emotional intelligence and feminine balance; MLD pitches Core Four framework; John Doyle argues for return to enforced masculinity and gender roles.

Marriage, divorce, and premarital sex

Chase argues for abstinence until marriage; Destiny counters sexual compatibility matters. Divorce rates, feminist initiation of divorce, virgin marriage statistics discussed.

Fatherlessness, single-mother households, and societal decline

Billy Ray shares prison tutoring experience. Panel discusses fatherless homes leading to crime. Debate over whether abusive marriages should be endured.

Closing statements and sign-offs

Each guest gives closing thoughts. MLD announces upcoming YouTube tour stops. John Doyle advocates return to Jesus. Chase thanks guests.

Transcript

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Destinyfiguring out gender roles and households and everything incredibly [ __ ] simple yeah it gets really clear guidelines for how men are supposed to act and how women are supposed to act that's like a benefit but in some ways it's a negative arguing for patriarchy but in some ways it's a negative because you might have

Destinyan incredibly talented pool of women that could be contributing to society in really positive ways that are now basically relegated to being barefoot and pregnant in their homes all the time because we don't really want their contributions right the reason why I think that our society has succeeded more in the west than it did in any

Destinyother place in the world is to some extent because we opened the floodgates to allow any type of person to have a conversation and that's why podcasts like this or fresh and fit you're getting people from [ __ ] that have traveled to Saudi Arabia and Dubai coming back and arguing with black women

Destinyand Hispanic women and men of all sorts of different backgrounds and religions are all coming together having these conversations they're not doing that in [ __ ] Saudi Arabia they're not doing that in [ __ ] Iran they're not even doing that in a lot of places in Europe that's happening in the United States of America and I think it's largely because we've tried to break down a lot of those

Chasebarriers are you are you contributing are you contributing the success of the West to the principle of free speech um I think largely for freedom of speech and for unlocking the talent pool that you have of people by not hardcore relegating them to certain roles the

Chasereason why I ask is because the West was successful relative to other civilizations long before we had free speech and equal rights for everybody I mean the United States was kind of founded on pretty radical principles of free speech and democracy yes it was

Destinyright the West existed prior to the United States and I I'm talking about the real West okay the U.S [ __ ] Europe I mean if we're talking about it it's the West Coast even the people who love to like love and hate like people like Elon Musk this guy came from like

DestinySouth Africa right like there's there's so much cool [ __ ] that happens in the US that only happens in the US people come here I know you guys are arguing people come here for the opportunity and stuff we have a really unique environment here and I think largely it's because we've tried to push people outside of like the

Brian Atlashardcore relegated roles that we feel like they need to be in which I think benefits all of us I do I do have to interrupt because we do need to get a couple of these uh donations read so let me redirect this here we have doc the

Brian Atlasnabitaly to chase this point the only demographic in the west that is kind of realized well not really is having births above replacement level is religious household also even in polygamous households marriages for the benefit of children when there is chaos

Brian Atlasthey'll chill the children end up in rehab doc thing for the uh donation they appreciated man DJ takavar oh hold on that's another one Proverbs five

Brian Atlasthat came in that just came in right now so Rock You Gave 200 bucks put the [ __ ] verse next time okay all right DJ thank you Brian crazy to see different dynamics of dating today in the 805 from San Luis Obispo made moved

Brian Atlasto the US for the uh Second Amendment rights though Chase Mary put them these Maps up what the [ __ ] libtard clowns in their place also Madison is so perfect her farts definitely smell like cinnamon

Brian Atlasokay do you guys support Matt uh Madison no bro where does this come from then yeah we're not talking because shut up bro oh my God okay

Brian Atlaswhen he's done you can oh yeah yo Devon Jackson think for the 100. the patriarchy is a society built by men for women and children it's made it's more convenient for women to raise children to the point that they think they don't

Brian Atlasneed men to do it or opt not to at all hey Davon Jackson good to see you in the chat man thank you thank you very much appreciate the donation we have this one here from uh L Chase Proverbs 5 I challenge you to read

Brian Atlasit out loud Let It Shine my brother in Christ Billy you a Proverbs 31 Woman what's your take on blue haired embodiment of socialist ideology that's for Billy go ahead wait wait what's you take on blue haired embodiments Proverbs

Chase31 Woman I would encourage everybody in the audience audience to read proverbs 31 uh it describes the ideal wife a woman of noble character and virtue who takes care of her home takes care of her husband takes care of her kids make sure

Chasethat the family's name is respected multiplies the family's Investments her her husband will uh essentially need nothing because of how much she does for him and the family her family her value

Chaseis worth more than rubies yes she is a wife it says a wife of noble character who can find her value is worth far more than rubies and it's true Madison any thoughts on the cinnamon he's saying that you are worth far more than rubies

Brian Atlasa wife of noble character what do you think about that I think it's actually very true because that's exactly what I want to be okay we have uh nobody here thank you for the uh donation man appreciate it I

Brian Atlassend you an instant message on your Brian profile Destiny wanted to see here keep it Center by the way uh for the destiny wanted to see me do push-ups in response to my message I expect him to also do push-ups on live stream 10 drunk

Destinypush-ups with no push Downs I mean no push Downs I think it's a gay comment yeah I don't know what it is now you guys know way more gay lingo than I do couldn't tell you man oh man and then we

Brian Atlashad this the bad zxc that one came through let me do a couple from YouTube we're pretty did you read the exe one it was a uh TTS that I'm pretty sure came through already it's called reality yeah that one came through as a TTS

Brian Atlasum all right we have uh I want to read Proverbs five do we just do stiff or really quick okay what do you ask everyone to rate their looks on schedule one to ten really quick Destiny you first obviously ten ten of course 10. oh

Jonathan (MLD)God I don't answer why not pay trackie yeah the page hey Jackie please

PixieI don't know I feel like um to me it's weird when I try to like judge my own looks I feel like I don't know I feel like the question are you attend fine I'm a 10 whatever don't let me put words

Pixiein your mouth oh I just I think like whenever people ask questions like that kind of annoys me because I feel like there's so much more to a person of course I know I said answer the questions

AaronI mean personally I think how someone looks is like the least interesting thing about them but that's just me you do this little exercise the whole point is that everybody gives themselves

MolinaI haven't heard that I haven't gone to that side of the table Yeah but you guys usually write yourself as well of course sometimes they'll say the same number every time yeah yeah and you don't feel like you have a good day or a bad day no

Billy RayI I incorporate that you get to it so do you uh I'll say 10 let's continue I'm gonna stick with my answer it's a 6.7 enough I'm gonna say a six for me as well

John DoyleJohn uh give myself a seven today because this suit is really good I say seven I would say a nine a Ten's not real that's like an abstraction right like assuming a normal distribution is Jesus

John Doyleattention yeah that's us of a radiant system okay right well you know people I think they misunderstand that they tend to think that like a seven is average because I think seven to seventy percent that's like a c assuming a normal distribution is a very important rating women rating people in general five

John Doylewould be like a perfect average and then you would see like a bell curve sort of slope from there so if you're talking about a seven I mean that's already like what top 15 probably even greater than that it's very important stuff hey are

Brian Atlasyou over here we're perfect yeah okay Chase what about you thank you so this is not to be weird or anything too late for that sorry you have a boyfriend

Brian Atlasby the way uh virgin yeah she has a boyfriend okay okay I I give myself six 6.9 on a

Brian Atlasgood day how about with the wig on though 10 10. I like the mirror opposite of Destiny with the wig of course um yeah the 10 thing though I'm sorry I

Pixiekind of fun trying that by answering but it's all good it's all good um so you object to the whole ten thing you said people really shouldn't care about much about physical appearance um it's not and pretend like

Pixieexperience I just feel like so much of society focuses on that and it's like dude it's extremely important you have to have attraction to have a relationship yes just a question about how would you

Aaronrate your physical looks that's all it is it's not like what's your worth as a human being it's not important obviously it's important to some I'm just saying to me personally I tend to think how people look is usually the least interesting thing about them I think

Chasethere's a lot more to people than just theirs something tells me you're lying based on the fact that you've never been on a date before probably no no I think I think you've rejected every dude that's asked you out because probably because none of them have been

Aaroninteresting or good looking enough to go out with them no no I've rejected people's literally just been on the basis that I don't think we're compatible we can still be we haven't even gone on a date with them though how do you know you're not compatible words right out of my mouth time on going on a

Nevdate with them if I don't feel that you're like chemistry I think that's where you're failing you're you're not going on dates with people yet you're saying oh I'm judging them on compatibility but you're not actually

Aaronlike I mean it's not just like occurring out of nowhere they asked me if I would like to go on a date with them if they just are gonna tell me like come on a date with me I mean that's different but like when you ask somebody on a date

Chaseyou're accepting that they may or may not know you are everything hold on hold on I think you are everything I mean we already established that I'm not dating so all right Billy Ray Billy Ray are you insinuating

Chasethat if a guy told you come on a date with me you'd be like okay

Aaronno because she said that you're judging people on the basis of this and I'm saying if you ask somebody on a date you're putting yourself out there and you are opening yourself up to rejection would you go on a date with fresh from the Fresh and fit podcast would I go on

Aarona date with fresh yes he's a good looking attractive man wouldn't go on a date with fresh you wouldn't go on a date with Myron who wouldn't go on a date with date with higher crew you know no I'm just asking you about fresh is that a yes into the camera

Aaronis too fresh yeah that that camera right there wait are you advocating you're so [ __ ] difficult I think that's your problem I'm sorry that I cut you off but it's just like I've been holding it in maybe

Chasenot because if I'm so like difficult and disagreeable then it doesn't sound like fresh and I would get along right so okay at least here's a clarifying question when was the last time you met or discovered or anything maybe you didn't meet him what was the last time hold on when was last time you came

Chaseacross a guy who you were like he's attractive I would go out with him if you ask me can you ever remember an instance where you found a guy attractive and would want to go out with him um I mean when you say that I guess it would have to like if you're asking me like the last time that I could remember I can't think off the top of my head no

AaronI can't remember the last guy you were attracted to what no I got a question it's not because they don't exist there's questions on guys in high school or college answer your questions yeah it's not because attractive men don't exist attractive men are all around me but I'm saying that there's more to like

Aaronwhat I'm going to consider when I'm deciding like who do I want to date more than just physical attractiveness there's a plethora of that's not my question my question is can you remember the last guy you were attracted to

Aaronum like their face or like in general energy face everything can you asked to be a troll dude but I like I don't know exactly what you mean or like do you want kids

Jonathan (MLD)like do you want kids can you remember the last wait can you remember the last time I don't know if I can have kids but can you remember last time a guy liked you like engaged in conversation and like she wanted to go on a date with you yeah when was that

Aarontoday I wanted to go on a date with you today no like was I asked on a date today no but I'm in contact and friends with men who have asked me on dates before that I didn't go on

Brian Atlasokay can I ask a question is your neck okay huh oh I guess you have like a cooling pad or something oh yeah I've got chronic neck pain issues I've got a neck injury

Brian Atlasso damn does this podcast help or heard that oh it definitely hurts stress is stress does not help with pain definitely hurts so I don't know with Chase next to you I think that should also be like helping right

Brian Atlasbro you're weird you're [ __ ] goofy it's [ __ ] chick okay are you a virgin right I'm just because like you must be

Mary Morganafter that conversation I think civilizes it and says like what is a virgin though yeah there's no such thing as virginity and here's why because some kind of abstraction nothing's black

Jonathan (MLD)and white nothing but there is no real version because you said you've like never been on a date so I'm just trying to figure it out you don't have to ever worry about like the patriarchy Boogeyman of like men like kidnapping you or whatever because they've just returned you after you talk so much Ryan

Unknownare you a virgin no I was going to say if you've never been on it but Brian but Brian I'd like to be the first no no no okay so he answered how simple that was yeah huh wait I want to hear about your

Unknownfirst time yeah it's my first time yeah I really want to imagine it trauma dump on this one it's actually I'll tell you after the show because it's kind of funny but I don't know wait

Brian AtlasI want to hear right now the audience I'll just say look I was 17 and uh it was uh that's good it was good it's nothing too crazy

Brian AtlasI'm not I don't want the details of your first time I'm just simply asking if you're a virgin or not you're just simply asking that the answer is very simple clearly no clearly

Jonathan (MLD)simple answer is it so clear okay if it's so clear why do you ask it so now some guy listens some guy made her like this so like it's clearly have you had sex

Brian Atlaschromosome are you missing here's a better question who hurt you sex laughs bro this chick's like actually I want to

John Doyledrop the r word so [ __ ] bad do it I think this is why you need to judge people more thoroughly on how they look because the moment she sat down you could just tell by her appearance that this was pretty much more or less how

Brian Atlasthe conversation was going to go she sort of has the like like librarian physiology but I I don't know librarian physiology yeah I don't understand your objection to not wanting to answer the

Brian Atlasquestion because if you have had sex like I think anyone here who's had sex it's not like a shameful thing to admit you've had sex um and it's also not a shame I can tell you I can tell you what this is not a

Chaseshameful thing if you're a virgin either so I don't know here's what it is she's already revealed that she's never been on a date so if she has in fact had sex that means that she had sex without going on a date and there is an element of Shame involved with that and if she did have sex she doesn't want to reveal

Brian Atlasit because she takes herself very seriously because of patriarchy that would shame her yeah I mean but a lot of people in today's day and age they're not like going on dates it's like come over and that can you know what that

Brian Atlassort of very casual scenario could actually lead to long-term relationships I mean well what's your definition of a date definition of a date yes

Aaronwe're actually well intersectionality says this about dates I think so we don't give Ryan actions get that question just like answer that yo everybody in the chat everybody in the chat is saying that you're a plant do

Brian Atlasyou guys think that she's a plant or do you guys think that she's just like this all the time no she's definitely Destiny's friend is a walk in the park but it's like it's red yeah I could tell it's like so weird like you're on a

Brian Atlasdating podcast like you're 24. you're 24. what the [ __ ] question about something sex related

Brian Atlaslike you just would you would also choose to Omit answering like a sex related question all right this has been an impediment I just you know what I want to know so far [ __ ] answer the

Chasequestion dude it's not like I don't cringe just move on yeah

Brian AtlasAaron here's what I want to know why did you come on tonight it's like bad faith that's what that's what I'm excited about it's not your necessarily that I don't get to know the answer it's just really bad faith that you're playing this [ __ ] game when you request it to

Jonathan (MLD)be on the show do you think you're being a good do you think you're being a good representative hold on hold on hold on do you think you're being a good representative of feminism no do we kick her off I think are we just perfect

Chasebefore we do no hold on you can hold on what was your intention in coming on tonight discussion if you find people about dating talks clearly that's a lie are

Chaseyou going to continue in bad faith I don't know am I dude oh my God oh my God at this point because honestly like hey just keep getting kicked in these

ChaseLoops here's the difference audience yeah yeah you have paying audience members okay we're giving a show to them we should leave it to them okay well they're already saying kick her off at this point would you believe

ChaseI mean we've got we've got a bunch of we've got a bunch of democracy respecters in here if if you know we want to respect democracy I say we just kick her off man at this point whatever she said because like now I'm thinking

Jonathan (MLD)how do we kick her off and not blame the patriarchy at the same time I think we should just own the patriarchy and say it's based and just I literally have autism and you're 10 times more [ __ ] than I am like I literally have

Brian Atlasdiagnosed [ __ ] autism I was in the classroom with the speds and [ __ ] going on the bus and [ __ ] and you're literally words that are not allowed on YouTube Here's What It ultimately could have come down to you could you could have

Brian Atlasjust said Hey listen I'd rather not share that publicly I don't want to answer that but you wanted to make it into some game like some semantic game and I just don't understand like it's really bad faith if you just said look

Chasehey I don't want to share that fine but like when you kind of the first time I asked you're like we'll get into it later and then you refuse right I'll tell you what it is earlier in the conversation she made a comment about how you enjoy

Chaseclip farming Aaron this is hold on just listen when you kick her off hold on which is why everybody please silence your mouths she doesn't

Chaselike you or your show she came on the show to obstruct constructive conversation no you're not having a good time if you liked the show you would actually be good faith yeah she came on the show to throw a wrench in in the in the gears and to obstruct constructive

Chaseconversation and she's acting like she's not doing it and like we're being crazy and stuff you just kick her off the show man chat they are dude you had a thousand people say take her off right now you should kick her off right now for it to

Destinylike get me off otherwise we're gonna continue wasting you sticking around this [ __ ] what are you sticking around he's a professional I drove all the way to this [ __ ] City so I'm here okay all right you drove to this city please I have a question

Pixieis there anything Aaron can do to show good faith right now yeah be quiet I think you've had the opportunity you had the opportunity yeah so kindly I'm asking you to leave yes

John Doyleyou just played the sound effect there's nothing yeah

Aaroncan you leave I don't know if your friend wants to come with you but I will leave you guys to ask the very important questions about Stephen and Molina's relationship and Diving thank you that's lovely thank you so much see you next week

Jonathan (MLD)bye-bye we love you peace out quickly hello

Chaseoh you're such a troll I love it anyways we like scoot over now because we hope so because I'm [ __ ] cramped

ChaseBrian's capping some content anyways hi Chase stop the cat stop the cap film her Brian now we've got to establish your alpha male energy

Chaseestablish it Brian total patriarchy Victory patriarchy wins once again we're back that's right all right well did you guys know she was gonna be like that uh that's kind of how she always

Destinyactually it's fun to go back and forth do you have like a YouTube channel or something uh she kind of streams sometimes but I don't know maybe she'll get into it I'm not sure okay should have asked her that she's kind of redeemed that was pretty

Chaselike based and submissive how she just immediately was like I I would just not try to rationalize her shitty Behavior whatsoever yo that's just shitty chat please let us know are we back or what

Destinyif we're back say we're back in all caps bro I'm thinking we're back dude I think we're back yeah where did we go was it so over like in previous episodes or just in this one or what do you mean

Nevhas there been like a lull in content it's been over for about the past 30 minutes but currently we're back right yeah that was a little crazy I have [ __ ] AIDS now I'm just like most of the [ __ ] that go on this show I have [ __ ] AIDS

Mary Morganlike a piece of work paper or something before you say it I just if if she didn't want to answer it look how back we are dude bro if she had just admitted that she felt ashamed

Mary Morganor felt uncomfortable or some actual reason for not giving an answer that would have been one thing but the constant like the questioning back and forth yeah it's like it's not cruel was responded to with a question it's every

Jonathan (MLD)single one it's acting like virginity isn't real is stupid he's probably laughing out there like I can't believe it took them though it's not edgy it's not cool when you're like especially like people they're like a 50 chance yeah no exactly you know when

Jonathan (MLD)when you have like a whole show of like people who are like professional streamers like obviously Destiny uh Molina Brian myself you know like when you're like just being a [ __ ] like [ __ ] everything up and make bad TV like it's just like a social faux pas in

Jonathan (MLD)streamer land that you should like what are you doing and like for she has to be on the show too no exactly and then like how does that make feminists look for like the Die Hard feminists at home who are like throwing their pillow against the wall right now like oh I'll tell you

Chasewhat it is she has seen clips from the show she knows that Brian's pretty good at roasting feminists or girl like the hookup movement all that kind of stuff and she's like hey I want to come on the show and throw a wrench in Brian's gears

Brian Atlasand now she's gonna go get banged by fresh pretty bad face who was which one of you was it that messaged first was it you or was it her I don't remember it was like a group message or something and then you

Pixieinsisted Destiny also be on the show yeah I I don't I'm remember what message first I remember there were back and forth messages between us here tell you what throw your friends under the bus you're friends with her right is she a

Jonathan (MLD)virgin or she not a virgin I don't ask her essentially you can't be a virgin in that insufferable I don't like some guy made her like this some guy traumatized her and made her join the feminist movement like that girl is probably

Jonathan (MLD)right barely not a virgin you're probably like virgin women don't have that [ __ ] level insufferability calculated insufferability in them at all if you want to know the conversation we had before coming on this podcast

Pixielet's [ __ ] yeah yeah do you want to be a [ __ ] yes me too okay when we've gone on podcasts like this before and they were always like oh like what's your body count what have you done I

Pixiedidn't ask Bonnie how did you die I asked a very like basic question yeah I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just trying to explain what might have been going on like behind like the mentality right

Pixieum it's always followed up either by like you're a liar or you're like a [ __ ] or like you know good not here not here like if a girl says I'm this I I unless it's like it's a safe space I don't know because when I said I was a

Pixievirgin a lot of people did say I was lying um people in the chat a lot of comments yeah and the bombardment of haters no matter I don't care okay I know that

Brian Atlasit's true that's the chat yeah we're here we're here and I very rarely make it a point to try to call cap on chicks occasionally I do when I'm like like the chick who was on who was on drugs like bro I called them serious in that case

Molinaif you if someone's like I can answer but I want them to be muted would you do that what do you mean what would you mean would you meet this stream so I'll answer it but I don't want to stream I don't want stream to hear it yeah

DestinyI'm so dumb to do that though if like nine people at a table everybody's gonna know it came on this show to answer questions like that well if I I do want I do want to say once in the show too so it's like I do I do want

John Doyleto say one thing you three have been very good faith the whole conversation I appreciate that she managed to achieve through her behavior a unique combination of having like the panel and the audience dislike her like if she had just been honest maybe the chat would

Nevhave roasted her but we would be like fair enough she like managed to do I would have hit until she opened her mouth honest to God I'm not gay or anything she had nice uh zinkies but I think we should keep talking about Aaron

UnknownI really like this topic it's great yeah she's still here with us like mentality the spirits are still here yeah I think you two were in on this no to be clear I they so they're friends with you no no

Destinywe are all friends we all drove here together you um we were gonna do a show I think like a month ago we had planned we were going to do a show when I was here doing I did like five shows

Destinyand it didn't end up working out because I couldn't drive up something happened or you guys didn't it was last minute yeah yeah and then they talked about doing a show and then they messaged me and then you guys reached out to me and then you guys reached out to Molina like independently of anything because I didn't know until afterwards she's like

Destinyoh I'm going on the same show you're on I'm like oh okay but to be clear just because I want to be clear I would never make plans like [ __ ] with a show because it hurts my reputation I would never do that right I just want to say DM dating Super Chat that's my boyfriend yo your

Chaseboyfriend's killing it right now it's a Super Chat he said she absolutely embodied what feminism turns women into every toxically feminine trait gaslighting projection emotional manipulation delivered through overtly

Billy Raycombative masculine this is extremely common what's up can we please have him on the show oh yeah let's talk we'll talk after the show yeah DM dating nailed it bro

Chaseyeah I've also I've also experienced like girls girls will get burned by a guy in a relationship and then like that will turn them into like an extremely intense rabid feminists notice there guys get burned by girls and they create

Destinythe red pill movement right yeah 100 yeah there's a lot of hurt people I think that I think that a lot of politics is literally defined by a who hurt you there's a lot of Communists out there that came from like traditional religious families and

Destinythere's a lot of like super track on people that came from like parents that they weren't happy with who were too Progressive whatever like I think that's a good point yeah if you look at like culturally like where we're at today like you kind of see like this Resurgence in like religiosity a little bit a lot of people pushing towards like

DestinyIslam even more traditional than like Christian stuff and I think a lot of that has been response to the Past like 10 or 15 years of like [ __ ] religion like when I was on the internet how old are you 28 okay I'm 34. like 10 years ago 13 years ago on the internet the really popular thing was being an

Destinyatheist and like [ __ ] on religious people but that was in response to like the 90s and the 2000s and like people like having that religious fight versus like the new coming like metrosexuals and the rappers and everything so like I think a lot of like

DestinyI think everybody is I tried to keep that in mind a lot but it's very hard not to fall captive to that right if you're getting attacked by one group of people today on Twitter tomorrow you want to make them like the main target you know so good did you think she had like a

Destinysort of like a gangbang or something like a gang bang contention the things that can make people upset have nothing to do with sex already okay I've seen virgins that act like that I've seen people that have been ran through that actually men and women that act like

Jonathan (MLD)that I've seen there's tons of people no not not because of that but okay let's I got a couple let's ask a spicy question which one we haven't asked one yet no no it is producing so Destiny why do you

Destinyhate Andrew Tate why do I hit entertain um One is because I don't like the message he sells people too which is what's the message um I I wish that we could sell self-improvement without making

Destinyeverything so narrow in scope like there are so many different paths to success and to be fair I've seen him give kind of contradictory messages on this I saw him have a conversation with snico for instance where he was very open about like it's not every man's life journey

Destinyto become like the CEO of a major company some people need to be plumbers whatever which is good but then in other videos it always feels like the markers for Success are the most materialistic like bankrupt like spiritually bankrupt things in the world you know right um and that that bothers me and then two

Destinyassuming that he's not lying about everything he said online he's undoubtedly a sex trafficker which I think is kind of shitty so but there is the chance

Jonathan (MLD)accusation that's a huge accusation that's a huge accusation

Destinynot sure they didn't find any evidence they found enough evidence to continue to detain him while they finish their investigation to be clear or is that true that is true that's what's going on in Romania number one yeah number two plenty of people have done crimes that

Destinyget away with it and don't get convicted which is fine now ordinarily I wouldn't say back up what was the evidence that they found that justified continuing no it's not publicly stated yet don't believe it's public yet because that's part of the investigative process right so they've had to show stuff to a panel

Destinyof judges and they have to make the decision do we think you have enough here that there's likely to be charges coming at the end of it and so far in Romania the court system has said yes we do believe that to be the case and I think they've got three months left to finally press charges and if they don't then the charges are dropped or the case

Destinyis dropping he's free don't they only have like one or two they might have one or two months in December since you want to so no let me ask can I want to actually Madison just stay there can I

Jonathan (MLD)build on something with that with him so what what is um what is the overarching message of Andrew Tate the picture that you don't support

DestinyI wish that when we talked about delivering like purpose to young men it wasn't wrapped up in such a materialistic package because it feels like that's what's led to a lot of like

Destinyif so I'm a big capitalist I'm a big liberal but arguably one of the largest criticisms you can launch at liberalism and capitalism is this hyper-consumerist hyper materialist I agree with you you need to buy the next iPhone you need to

Destinybuy the next car I really wish that like for Andrew Tate if you wanted to sell this message of becoming like a fulfilling person like show yourself working and doing honorable things yeah Show Yourself having a virtuous life right Show Yourself building a real business not doing like cam girls and

Destinygetting rich that way or not doing casinos Show Yourself having like a virtuous life not bragging you've got 20 girlfriends show yourself like engaged in virtuous activities that people can embody that can be the embodiment of what young men should pursue rather than constantly brag about how many cars and

Chasewomen and all that [ __ ] you have so that's a that's a great point I totally agree with that and a follow-up question I have is like part of Andrew Tate's appeal is he's speaking authoritatively about all these different things when it comes to masculinity the way the world works so on and so forth and there's a

Chaselot of people that are doing that online but Andrew Tate is constantly flashing his wealth his cars his houses the girls he's with so on and so forth how can someone get to that place where they're

Destinyinfluential like he is and Garner that interest from an audience the way that he did without flashing all those materialistic things I think you can do it but I think a lot of people don't try the reality is is that Andrew Tate is a really [ __ ] funny guy he's very

Destinycharismatic he's very charming and he can do a lot of really funny content he's done a lot of the [ __ ] video where his brother is like I'm gonna break the Red Bull [ __ ] record I don't know if you guys have seen that yeah the one where he was saying he was going to make Meghan Markle make him some chicken sure yeah there's like I

Destinyhaven't seen that one there's so many videos of he's done that are really funny I think he probably could have gotten relatively big doing that but the problem is that um you're making a deal with the devil

Destinywhen you say I'm going to sell my soul a little bit to gain some level of popularity because what happens is on your journey to becoming that person that's getting popular enough to sell the message you want to sell the message is going to get lost right because at

Destinythe end of the day when I look at Andrew Tate and I'm talking to a young man well how do you want to be successful I want to be successful like Andrew Tate what do you have to do you've got to start a cam business and do gambling and sell alcohol and drugs and [ __ ] right because that's essentially like what his whole business were revolved around was like

DestinyCasino stuff working with mob people and then doing like cam girl stuff and so what kind of message are you actually selling right to young boys saying that's the path to success in his defense he was doing the hustles University which was 18 modern wealth

Jonathan (MLD)creation methods which was like copywriting Drop Shipping but that's after he made his fortune it was afternoon so what's the what's the message so so I agree but that's like during his upwards like you know I think it was during uh summer of last year

Jonathan (MLD)during his meteoric rise he was constantly saying like you know join hustles or university where you can find these 18 modern wealth creating methods so I understand that you're saying like because you have to factor in some things too like he was saying those

Destinythings intentionally knowing that they're inflammatory in order to go viral which is part I mean you're streaming you know this part of the game right I so this is what you have to be really careful about and something I think about a lot too like I said you're trading parts of your soul every time

Destinyyou're trying to achieve a certain level of Fame and if you've traded away too many parts there's not enough of you left to sell the message at the end there are things that you can do to achieve a level of Fame to enact a good message but if you've sold away too many parts of yourself to get there you kind

Jonathan (MLD)of lose the ability to sell the message at that point right because there's a Bible verse I agree with you on that statement too in regards to that but I don't necessarily think he was saying like sure one of the modern 18th you know wealth creation methods was start a

Destinycam business right manage your girls only fans he went viral for saying he had before Hustler's University there was the PHD in trafficking women basically well I mean I I mean and then

Destinywhen him and Tristan are openly bragging about like oh this is how we get these men so that's also a cultural norm in Romania like that absolutely well I mean

Jonathan (MLD)sorry not cultural norm but in the sense like it's commonly known as the Loverboy method to like get these groups of women from Western Europe and to bring them over and do shop I want to talk about that but like um you know just in general like getting

Jonathan (MLD)a girl to like you and then also like fleecing pathetic men who are coming through sure you know these chat groups what's your point the point I'm trying to make is that he is not necessarily

Jonathan (MLD)saying that that was the primary and only way to become this high-value man but it was one of the 18. yeah but I don't think he's ever like the point

Destinyusually like if rappers get big I think that generally they're not going to say like I'm really glad I sold drugs to get here right they're not telling kids like listen sell enough crack in one day you can be a rapper right usually like well we should have been involved in that we shouldn't have uh you know like been

Chasedoing these things as kids like there were other options that we just did fair play fair play so um on this subject I'm kind of hearing from you that it sounds like you're saying Andrew Tate was filling a niche imperfectly so because

Chaseof all the you know immoral things that he did to get there he's filling a niche that a lot of men in the world need in terms of teaching them how to become successful how to like climb you know the the latter in life so to speak

Chasedo you think do you see there being a void in the world in terms of like righteous masculine leadership that like more men need to step up to the plate and fill is that something you think is important I think the issue is we've spent like the past like 20 20 years

Destinyespecially I say that probably recent because I'm young but like we've spent a lot of time building up women and a lot of really phenomenal ways and women have made a ton of progress in terms of Education in terms of earning potential in terms of like control over their

Destinylives that I think has been really phenomenal but again and Andrew Tate is it does this as well and and feminists of people on the left do this it feels like we can never [ __ ] have anything without demonizing the other side so a lot of the games that women made not

Destinyphysically are at the expense of event but they're very socially throughout the expense of men men are rapists men are pigs men are dogs blah blah blah blah [ __ ] men and what that's created has made this weird world where now in some places women are starting to

Destinydramatically outpace men in college it's getting insane yeah I think that college education is like more unequal if you're ever women than it was in favor of men like 15 years ago and now we can't even have the conversation of like what do we do about men no because in some ways

Destinythat patreon everything that we mentioned earlier there are aspects of patriarchy that still carry over for instance a man is expected to provide for his household well what happened to the pandemic even more men dropped out of school to provide for their households while women continue their education and at some point that's going

Destinyto reverse like women's earning potential are we ever going to be able to talk about like hey I think we actually do need some representation for men it's not just enough to expect them to rise up and overcome everything on their own and we've had a really hard time doing that so if I may fall sorry I

Chasecould try like three times I just want to finish up you're good man you're Gucci I love you follow-up question um so you're saying you know in the effort to elevate women throughout Society men have been largely left behind in a lot of ways what do you

Destinythink is the message that a lot of men should be hearing in the world what can we do to support men um oh man here we go um okay I got my prescription whenever you're yeah that's fine okay yeah so this is where I'll fight against a lot of like the red pill

Destinyspaces right so I think that the number one explainer for women's success is women historically have been very feminine because they're females and biology and blah blah blah blah one of the things that women have done over the past like few decades is they've Incorporated successfully a lot of

Destinyaspects of masculinity into their character that we previously thought weren't possible we didn't think that women would excel at school we didn't think that women could participate in certain stem fields we didn't think that women could start to make all the gains in a lot of these peripheral industries that they've started to um and for a lot of places where they

Destinyhave right so places like being like lawyers and stuff not necessarily in stem although that's starting um so as that's happened as women have made those gains of masculinity we're kind of like looking at men men have basically

Destinythey've they're kind of still masculine but we haven't worked on kind of like rounding out like how men navigate the world at all which would probably be the incorporation of some feminine future so being emotionally intelligent being able to communicate with people on a better level having some level of like measure

Destinycontrol of themselves uh probably decrease the suicide rates among them potentially yes so we so what we've done is we've kind of like [ __ ] on men completely so the left will say like [ __ ] man figure it out and then the red pill comes in and it's like you need to

Destinybe even more masculine but it's like the reality is 50 60 70 years ago if you wanted a wife all you needed was a paycheck because she's not going to school she's not working now that they're going to school and working more what's the value proposition for a woman to get into a relationship it

Nevcan't just be that you have a job anymore yes I just wanted to add yeah you're absolutely right I do think that men are like I don't want to say a press but yeah pretty much nowadays they are like you see people saying men ain't [ __ ] men ain't that and you wonder why the

Nevsuicide rates are so high because we don't give the same amount of support to men as we do to women there's women support groups there's women there's women that but we need to focus on men as well that's true but arguably that one of the impediments to bring up the

Destinypatriarchy thing one of the impediments to that I think is this idea of like what is an ideal manner what is a man supposed to be because suicide rates for men have always been high but solve things like violent crime rates so things like homicide rates so things like incarceration rates and it's not

Jonathan (MLD)just because the judges are unfair in some cases they are because men are the ones that are out in the streets like getting work done when [ __ ] is falling so Andrew Tate is the response too because I agree 100 he's a thousand percent like that's why like during World War II like everybody suddenly

Jonathan (MLD)voted someone into power right because he was [ __ ] very extreme on the other side of things so I think he's just representing a gigantic vacuum that's

Jonathan (MLD)needed because I left America in 2012 right I haven't lived here consistently since like you know I lived here for like 11 months 2016 and I saw enough writing on the wall to get the [ __ ] out

Jonathan (MLD)of here but when I come back to America it's just like consistently this like how can we put more accountability on men and how can we take more accountability away from women and then

Jonathan (MLD)like the mainstream media the music the video games like you're in the gaming industry too you know like everything is just like piling on to [ __ ] on men and like endlessly jerk off women and guys kind of just like all right like it's

Jonathan (MLD)kind of gotten to this point where it's [ __ ] ridiculous like guys absolutely have issues too but men are just not gonna sit around and cry and feel sorry for themselves but women well nine times out of ten they will do that you know what I mean I mean men do that too they

Jonathan (MLD)will but I agree with you but there's not a social stigma around men crying about the [ __ ] you know sometimes in a crime they just kill themselves fair play compared to women you know what I mean so that's why I think this Tate thing is a giant pendulum swing

Chasebackwards Jonathan and Stephen I want to get back to the original question asking in terms of your prescription help support men better in our society so we can restore happiness I know and I also want to hear

Chasefrom John on this too we can go Stephen John and then John you mentioned you mentioned better better emotional tools for men um you also mentioned uh men it needs to

Chasebe clarified what men are bringing to the table Beyond just a paycheck because now that we're past the 1950s as you were saying that's not enough of a value proposition so that needs to be clarified what else would you say needs to be added to the equation to best

Destinysupport I feel like the spaces that are designed right now for men are broadly say like the manosphere are not doing a good job so the only species if you are a man and you're looking for support and then you come to these spaces personally I feel like they give like some of the worst advice in terms of like how to

Destinysucceed right um I'm going to be really cringe here and I'm going to borrow from uh Ben Shapiro I think he has like three beta points not a high value man yeah I think he has three classic points for have at least escaping poverty I believe one is

Destinydon't have a kid before you're married fact I think two is graduate high school um and I think three was get a job wasn't it is that number three but these are like really really Common Sense indicators yeah sure um and I feel like so for instance when I come to Red Bull

Destinyspaces something that's really um in my opinion you sad is the constant shunning of like college and higher education yeah because that is the when you look at all of the um successful people I don't know if I can

Destinysay it uh but like in these red pill spaces there's a lot of like wealthy controllers of society that people like oh these guys weren't everything they're doing everything blah blah blah and then it's like okay well fine let's say they do that well what do they do with their kids their kids are like a guy whose

Destinyname is Goldstein he's not training his kid to be the best drop shipper okay he's not training his kid to get into crypto he's sending his kid to the best [ __ ] universities in the world to get a high quality education a graduate and do [ __ ] with his life and it feels like in these spaces he demonize the [ __ ] out

Destinyof college education now if you want to say that there are things like apprenticeships are going into trades which is good I fully agree with that 100 but oh my God if there's like one piece of advice I can impart that you would care that a blue-haired [ __ ] would tell you online if you're a man you're trying to make it in the world you're

Destinyway better off becoming an electrician or a plumber if you don't want to go to college because [ __ ] school I [ __ ] out of school okay I understand [ __ ] school okay why quit school right um if you want to do that at least pick up a trade don't try to make it in this [ __ ] crypto Drop Shipping world because

Chaseyou're not doing it based recommendation of the trades give me something I I learned a couple years ago that like if some if a young guy wants to get into welding for example he can be making over a hundred twenty thousand dollars a year two years from from yeah from the

Destinystart of his education two years into it he can be making six figures yeah and like there's not enough of that being preached so and you don't see and the problem too is that when it comes to crypto you can see all the winners you

Destinydon't see all the losers which are huge like 90 plus and even a lot of the winners eventually become losers did you ever see I don't want to call anybody in particular I'm so sorry do you remember um do you remember when boogie 2988 yeah

Destinyyeah yeah yeah he made a video about how happy was it a huge crypto investment paid off was it two months or was it a year later or whatever he's like guys listen up I'm selling the Tesla because my [ __ ] got [ __ ] yeah yeah I got rugged yeah I think it doesn't help that

Jonathan (MLD)well I love Andrew hold on hold on he's been waiting to speak I want to go to John and John yeah so yeah no my thing is I run something called the masculine empowerment Network right men and so I tell guys like it's a good name the

Jonathan (MLD)general you know the rule of life that a man should focus on I call the core four which is make money make muscles learn game and hold frame that's my prescription I know like you know you don't like the general red pill

Jonathan (MLD)prescription I'm like the red pill has kind of like adopted me as their one of their spokespeople but I'm just my own thing and I will say to the red pill Community too whichever [ __ ] which camera is it this one this one I don't

Jonathan (MLD)know that one that one right there so I will say this in in Destiny's defense guys for you guys that are red pill and jumping on Destiny's [ __ ] you know back for [ __ ] he's his own man he's made his own money and he's decided to

Jonathan (MLD)live his own way of life if that's not red pill I don't know what the [ __ ] to say it is because he's not like a slave to the system you know he has his own things and that you guys have to learn to like be okay with encountering people

Jonathan (MLD)in life who don't agree with the way you live and I think like you know it's pretty obvious like you're clearly you know if we were to categorize it like a high value man like objectively speaking

Jonathan (MLD)I mean just just yeah no no no no I know I'm not I can chat I'm talking to the chat not you you already know this you know but like multiple women having you know autonomy you know having a good amount of financial income so anyways

Jonathan (MLD)we're going back to think my thing is just simply this I tell guys I tell them the exact same things I say make money which is have a career or skill that will ideally lead you to six figures at some point down the road within five to

Jonathan (MLD)seven years make muscles which is basically just don't be fat I mean everybody in America is so [ __ ] fat blows my mind every time I come back here don't be fat don't be left are you telling your mentally no and also walk 30 minutes a day anything to get

Jonathan (MLD)you out of your house so right which but but the general message is don't be fat which is not okay because biologically speaking that's just terrible for you right sure learn game is Just understanding the difference between a good woman who is like genuinely

Jonathan (MLD)interested in you and a woman who has you know other ulterior motives for you which and now today but those are very you know Common and then whole frame which is basically a guy needs to

Jonathan (MLD)understand the concept of boundaries because I think a lot of what men and women don't have an idea of the concept of boundaries I found out about the concept of boundaries when I was 35 I'm 37 now and I wish I could understand

Jonathan (MLD)what boundaries were and then more importantly the enforcement of those boundaries as well so that's what I tell guys to focus on the core for make money make muscles learn game hold frame money muscles game frame that's my prescription I don't know if you

Jonathan (MLD)disagree with it but that's my solution that I run for this because I have a lot of guys too I have people in within the masculine empowerment Network that teach these guys how to code teach these guys how to get jobs in cyber security teach

Jonathan (MLD)them about like you know there are viable options in the trades like for example power alignment like within 10 years like America is going to be really [ __ ] [ __ ] out of luck when it comes to power alignment now these jobs can get you up to 200 000 power alignment

Jonathan (MLD)power alignment these are the guys who climb the power linemen power line dudes taking care of the power lines exactly you know and these jobs can get you to 200 000 with under five years you know what I mean because this whole influencer [ __ ] like I'm a Creator

DestinyI'm this I'm a [ __ ] crypto millionaire no you're not people will say [ __ ] like the West is falling and like every kid wants to be a YouTuber and you're like don't be a YouTuber be a drop shipper exactly so like do you like from one of the I know it's a very tldr

Destinyprescription I gave you but you know that's my perspective yeah sure I saw like I would agree with the four but we're probably going to fight is like what you mean by three and four like learn game hold frame are gonna be the things that we deserve so like for instance when you talk about the importance of boundaries um I would I want to go back over too

Destinymuch because I know you want to say something um I I would argue that like a boundary that I would consider to be very strange um is like the the big push in some of these space for like one-sided open relationships yeah that seems like something that it's like I don't think I would ever advocate for my audience to

Destinytry to pursue but you do realize there are women that are okay with that um I mean and there are men that are okay getting [ __ ] in the ass but we wouldn't say that like everybody should be homosexual right but I mean just using a boundaries a boundary a boundaries of boundary and I'm just saying that Amazon if you've had an animal I don't think those sort of

Jonathan (MLD)relationship is going to be successful in most cases what is that I don't think those sort of relationships is going to be successful in those but the really I mean it's gonna have a higher success relationship than being in an open relationship because open relationships

Destinyespecially when the woman is out there sleeping around having 92 failure rate yeah but what is the failure rate for one ended over relationships I don't know yeah probably really I don't know but but I will say men have

Mary Morganbeen doing that a lot for since the beginning beginning at least what wait what is a one-sided open relationship maybe it should be like something considered shameful and

Destinynot something that's promoted yeah I I just yeah that my biggest issue and this is maybe my feminist coming out is um I think a big issue today is asymmetry in relationships if you're a woman yeah if you're if you

Molinacan't do things like you let's say that you say I'm not okay with an open relationship on just just your side and say okay I'm in that case I'm gonna dump you and she doesn't have a job she doesn't have like any stability and she she just feels like super extreme I

Jonathan (MLD)don't think I feel like people are not going to get in a relationship like and then kind of disclose that later after they're married and she's fully dependent on the guy she's quit her job well also to bring things around though

Destinythat's one of the issues is what Tate kind of did right is I love you come to Romania we're going to get married we're going to be a couple we're going to do things and then I know you want to comment up but I think that was I I don't I'm not a big fan of telling a woman to move to another country and

Nevquit her job and be fully dependent on me in a manipulative standpoint I don't do that I just wanted to say like I I'm not trying to be a pick me but I'm just saying that as a woman I do want to support a man no matter what like no

Nevmatter what he chooses to do whether it be Drop Shipping is unsuccessful as he might be I want to be there every step of the way however I do think that people should also like women themselves should try to get jobs to help support the family help support everyone else

Molinabecause you don't want to end up like you're saying like how Tate is just bringing women in and then like you just these men kind of want to have like a wife at home with kids that's taking care of the kids like full-time yeah but at the same time there's like no space

Nevto have a job at the same time taking care of the kids and taking in the man does involve trying to find Financial stuff for yourself trying to fund it trying to like make you know for it I think it should be like equal which when it comes to work and stuff

John Doylecaught up on the London John what do we need to do to make men great again the path to Salvation there's uh there's a lot there I think you know we've spoken a lot this evening about this idea of progress

John Doyleparticularly with women I think that the word connotes good but I don't think it's been good I mean the woman or I should say maybe the profile of the person in this country who is supposedly um she who has benefited the most from all the Liberation and progress that

John Doylewomen have made would probably be like you know a single working woman middle age with no children she's been liberated from you know the constraints of biology be that her bearing children she's been liberated from the constraints of a husband having to provide for her she's a career woman

John Doyleshe's working she doesn't need all that you know no need for a man or anything like that but that also happens to be the profile of the person in this country who's the most likely to be taking ssris and I think there's something to be said about that I also think that it's easier for women to

John Doyleadapt to like Steven said more masculine uh aspects of society because they're naturally because of biology more agreeable and more socialized so I think it's easier to fit them into that framework I don't think you can do the same with men if you look at like the suicide rates with men for example

John Doylethey're the highest they've ever been broadly speaking but we don't enforce those standards of masculinity like we would have in the 1950s for example where probably you had the strictest enforcement of those ideas of like what a man should be how he should act things like that but men weren't killing

John Doylethemselves at the race that they are now so I think that and I'm probably I think the youngest guy here I'm 23. I remember being in elementary school they started bringing guidance counselors there was all this talk about boys needing to express their feelings more boys need to do this you see it everywhere throughout

John DoyleSociety but for some reason that doesn't quite catch on but when someone comes along like an Andrew Tate who I agree with pretty much everything you said about him or even like a Jordan Peterson who basically took fatherly advice and and delivered it through a lens of like

John DoyleUnion psychology it's like this rapid organic popularity people literally go to like Jordan Peterson events with like tears in their eyes thanking this guy for telling them how to basically like be a vaguely responsible man so I don't think the answer is to take men and make

John Doylethem more androgynous and maybe adapt to a more androgynous frame of society I think you need to make men be men again and resultantly I think women need to be like women again because I don't think women are happy I don't think men are happy and I don't think that they

John Doyleexperience depression the same way women tend to experience depression in a much more environmental sense meaning they are directly affected by their environment if they're unhappy I think that makes them depressed men experience depression when there's no way out of that environment I think that we are

John Doyleperfectly okay with going through something but if we don't see a way out because of all the progress that women have made we've had to tilt the scale so you guys have a greater advantage in pretty much every aspect of life and men just don't see that light at the end of the tunnel that's why we just kill

John Doyleourselves that's why you know the common thing is like well yeah men are more likely to kill themselves but women are more likely to attempt it okay well why would that be because women are like I'm upset and men are just like yeah I'm not going to get out of this and they like blow their head off or something and I

John Doylethink that speaks to the differences in our like natural predispositions as men and as women and I think that we need to acknowledge that for what it is and restore what would be considered a more traditional set of gender roles in society I think so just real quick the

Destinyissue that I have with that without even getting into the pros and cons of everything is everything you've said will never come to fruition this is my biggest issue with you problem is that you're never getting rid of you're never getting rid of birth control because women don't want to go back to that and most men probably

Destinywouldn't even accept that and you're never taking women out of the workforce and education right for as much as you talk about like traditional stuff has only benefited like the miserable middle-aged woman the woman to your left that's working on Temple show has largely benefited from feminism because women are taken seriously in terms of political opinions even at Young ages so

John DoyleI mean like I don't think we're ever going back to a world where like women don't have reproductive control and women aren't allowed to go to school and under their work I would agree with you I think if I shared your world view in that you seem to have a much more positive or maybe optimistic view of

John Doylelike where our country is headed where I'm sure those of us on this side of the table think like collapse is imminent so I think that if and when that happens which I don't think a collapse would happen in the way that people like to fantasize about whether it's like Civil War and yeah like who would you model ourselves after like you think's doing

John Doylebetter than us right now I think that Donald wants to reach a point where really come on I was just gonna say I think it'll reach a point where the cultural entropy will reach a state where people want to do away with these ideas like you mentioned for example

John Doylethings are going like pretty well if our biggest problem is that like men want use the women's restroom or vice versa I think that things get a lot worse than that where those problems would be abandoned and we return to tradition so to speak but I do think it is a very real problem because yeah it's one thing

John Doyleif like a guy wants to use a girl's bathroom but that is like one facet of the whole issue which is like we are redefining you know sex and gender and maybe Russia is a crappy country but their descendants are still going to be Russians and they're still going to have

John Doyleyou know access to normal children whereas in this country I might not be you know facing a land War but I don't know that my children aren't going to be brainwashed by the popular culture to mutilating their genitalia I certainly don't have my Heritage anymore I certainly am not able to be proud of my

John Doylehistory so if I don't even have my future it's like is this really a great country because I have reasonable access to like food sex entertainment like no I mean these answers I think are better I think this country produces awesome things like even today I think things

Destinylike this podcast are evidence of it Russia's like Heritage is like Circle tricking themselves over World War II where they were the Defenders against nazisms they weren't even aggressors against it right America is the country that ended and the West is largely who won against World War II against Hitler the the only reason the Soviets killed

Destinyso many people is because the Nazis tried to invade their Homeland so I mean like when you look at like in Russia no offense to Russia economically that country is not doing too well yeah socially that country has a ton of problems um because the Empire

Destinycollapsed well yeah sure the Empire collapsed and even internally like there are a ton of issues but like sure like Putin can come out and give like what are really like even right-wing American talking points of like you know the gays in the west are destroying everything and you know the jokes in the beginning

Destinyof the Ukrainian War were literally like are your trans soldiers going to be defeating our proud you know Russian ethnic persons and now you've got like Russian dudes who are like committing suicides and ditches because now these trans Russian soldiers are like flying drones and dropping grenades on them

Destinyright and I mean you've got like the archetypical like trans Ukrainian dropping [ __ ] grenades on like two Russians giving each other head in like a [ __ ] bunker somewhere and it's like what's actually happening here I don't disagree that there are problems and

Destinylisten okay I'll say it here I'm welcoming a little bit of a snapback on Snapchat because there are some things in this country that are [ __ ] insane okay yeah a lot of the transitions talked about really crazy everybody thinks you decide for the crazy stuff nobody thinks that because casual Visa

Destinybut I'm literally banned on Twitch permanently that I stream I love yours I love it because I was against some of the trans athlete stuff right and I got involved in but I'm just saying that like so I'm not saying that a snapback is necessarily wrong but like it's it's

Destinyit's still moving in a certain direction women are never ever ever gonna give up everything they've got nobody wants to give up that much autonomy you are presupposing that we would ask them permission before we would say well okay

Pixieso maybe it's something I think women would literally

Pixieand you like cried about it outside of buildings when the police like blocked you off and then you basically went back to your life surge of like legislation and women getting like politically active because yeah it's like

Destinypoliticized nagging it's like this is the civil war between men no I don't absolutely women would absolutely win because there would be men that would side with them in a civil war between men and women are

Destinygoing to kill all the women you'd have like all those symptoms women's suffrage only happened because there were men that also wanted it right like the majority of class like men in general there's a huge talent pool there's a really interesting I get a lot of emails about this so I want to

Destiny[ __ ] drones too much when it comes to like crazy like weird like trans people and autistic people blah blah blah there's a lot of talent there that has migrated a place like San Francisco we make fun of it for being like the LGBT capital of the world there's a lot of programmers and a lot of talent in that pool though because demographically they're drawn to those types of jobs

Destinybecause a lot of times like if you can code you can code I don't give a [ __ ] if you have a dick or a vagina or if you use Caesar pronouns or whatever if you can do the work you can do the work so I just the thing that I like about our Western Society to bring it back is that like we have problems with how much

Destinydiversity we push I agree but holy [ __ ] we've been able to siphon so much [ __ ] Talent out of a lot of that diversity even Angie Tate himself is to some extent a product of like a really globalized world that is connected to so

Brian Atlasmany different like ethnic and religious and cultural markets yeah I I definitely want to hear more from you but I do need to just keep things moving along here so okay we have a brock here with the 200 thank you man Chase Proverbs 5 question

Chasemark question mark unfortunately I'm not able to pull it up but I I have it on my phone people have spent like six or seven hundred dollars asking for me to read it do you want me to read it what is it is it it's uh no it's not it is a

Chasea chapter in Proverbs about the uh adulterous woman it's a warning against adultery how is it longer I'll read a couple verses it says my son pay attention to my wisdom turn your ear

Chaseto my words of insight that you may maintain discretion and your lips May preserve knowledge for the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey and Her speech is smoother

Chasethan oil but in the end she is bitter as Gaul sharp as a double-edged sword her feet go down to death her steps lead straight to the Grave she gives no thought to the way of life her paths wander aimlessly but she does not know

Brian Atlasit now there's a there's this is pretty long bro there's a lot there's a lot left to it but I'll leave it at that okay um yo I'll think for the hundred Destiny and Molina can you please give Lex Friedman my number

Brian Atlashow is such a kind successful guy single is he lying um oh that'd be cool and ask him over and over again if he's a virgin

Brian Atlasbecause I I've heard him talk a little bit about dating stuff but anyways um we have uh Jeff raid maker let me see if I can pull this one up so it actually pops up on screen here oh there's only one of them I'll pull up

Brian Atlasone of them and the other one I can't with respect to the the two feminists have been difficult to listen to because they've been vague and pedantic Destiny you've been razor sharp and cool Chaser awesome bro above all all y'all loved and important no matter what you know

ChaseJeff thank you man appreciate it what does pedantic mean I will say to pixie's credit she was much better than her friend also to my credit I've been doing this for like 12 years right yeah pictures do you want to fire back at

Pixiethem I mean I'm just trying my best here like that's all I really want to say like I don't want to make you guys feel like I'm just like trying to like disagree to disagree yeah you're fine

Chaseokay you can't be insulting people all right hey I just want to say Brock thanks thanks for the Super Chat Brock and thank you for encouraging some reading on the word on such a large platform bro

Brian AtlasJeff here unfortunately I won't be able to make it pop up but with respect the feminist tag team wait he sent it twice oh he pulled a destiny listen to because you've been big Destiny you are razor

Brian Atlassharp in this convo and I've appreciated you chase you're awesome and all of you are loved and important no matter what oh god oh thank God okay guys everything all right now we have a ton of super chats we got actually it's not too many

Chaseuh let's try to get through them and if they'll have time this phone is [ __ ] going off right now did you not hear that I heard it I don't hear it walking the wire thank you for the hundred dollars

Chasebro he said good to see Destiny the best debater on YouTube on the panel also welcome back Chase thank you walking the wire thank you walking uh Mike Davis Destiny Destiny is the type to pull his

Destinypants all the way down at the urinal Brian you should be ashamed to give this beta cuck a platform instead of hoping podcast hopping is what I'm gonna say instead of hopping podcast to podcast have him hop in the ring with me I kick

Destinyhis ass so bad his quote-unquote girl will have to identify him by the way this is Mike Davis yeah that's literally actually real is this a real looks like the kind of guy that wouldn't be interested in Molina because she's about

Molina14 years too old for him what the [ __ ] okay that's fired you can't be reading those comments because these guys are jerking off at saying I like it I like it because I know we like the sort of humiliation

Brian Atlasthey're edging themselves that's not good Mike Davis long-term supporter of our show why is he such a cheap ass and he donated to 99.99 instead of the 400 that's a good question maybe if he's uh

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