HEATED DEBATE w/ Destiny! OBNOXIOUS Feminist KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #75

Date: 2023-05-17

Duration: 5h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDestiny (Streamer)>

MMolina Jorenson >

PPixie (DT130)>

BBilly Ray (DT101)>

JJonathan (MLD)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_02Aaron(guest)

SPEAKER_03Pixie(guest)

SPEAKER_04John Doyle(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jonathan (MLD)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Destiny's Sister(guest)

SPEAKER_07Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Destiny(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nev(guest)

SPEAKER_11Billy Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mary Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_13Molina(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyAaron repeatedly refuses to answer whether she is a virgin despite panel and audience pressure, deflecting with philosophical questions about the definition of virginity.

“Have you had sex? 'What does it mean to be a virgin?' Repeated for 15+ minutes.”

QuoteDestiny states Destiny endorses whatever podcast as his most-donated-to YouTube channel.

“SPEAKER_09 (0:00:35): 'You're my favorite YouTube... that's true, that's the one I've donated the most.'”

QuoteChase discloses he became abstinent in 2020, citing biblical conviction and desire to honor God.

“SPEAKER_01: 'I made the decision to be abstinent... because I knew it was a sin against my own body... and I wanted God to reward me in turn for that and quite honestly he has.'”

ControversyBrian asks Aaron directly why she came on the show and whether she is acting in bad faith.

“SPEAKER_08: 'Why did you come on tonight?' Aaron: 'To have a discussion.' Brian: 'If you liked the show you would actually be good faith.'”

ControversyAaron is asked to leave the show after prolonged bad-faith engagement and refusal to answer the virginity question.

“Chase: 'Kindly, I'm asking you to leave.' Aaron: 'I drove all the way to this city so I'm here.' Brian kicks her off.”

QuoteDestiny's critique of Andrew Tate: materialistic message and alleged sex trafficking.

“SPEAKER_09: 'I wish that when we talked about delivering like purpose to young men it wasn't wrapped up in such a materialistic package...'”

QuoteDestiny argues men need to incorporate feminine traits (emotional intelligence) the same way women have incorporated masculine traits into their success.

“SPEAKER_09: 'Women have incorporated successfully a lot of aspects of masculinity into their character... men have basically they're kind of still masculine but we haven't worked on rounding out how men navigate the world'”

QuoteMLD introduces his 'Core Four' framework for men: make money, make muscles, learn game, hold frame.

“SPEAKER_05: 'I tell guys... the core four which is make money make muscles learn game and hold frame.'”

QuoteDestiny argues the difference between the two sides: 'It feels like on our side we're talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys are talking about relationships like they're meant to be endured.'

“SPEAKER_09: 'It feels like on our side we're talking about relationships like they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys are talking about relationships like they're meant to be endured.'”

QuoteJohn Doyle argues men's suicide rates are high because they see no way out rather than just being unhappy.

“SPEAKER_04: 'Women experience depression in a much more environmental sense... men experience depression when there's no way out of that environment... that's why we just kill ourselves.'”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation. Brian asks relationship statuses. Destiny and Molina disclose open/poly marriage. Aaron's evasiveness about dating history begins.

Open relationships and polyamory debate

Destiny and Molina discuss their open relationship. Panelists debate monogamy vs polyamory, cuckoldry in red-pill culture, whether sexual exclusivity is essential to marriage.

Feminism debate: patriarchy, oppression, and women's roles

Feminist guests (Aaron, Pixie) vs conservative guests on whether women are oppressed, definition of patriarchy, sexual double standards, Only Fans and employment.

Self-ratings and audience super chats

Guests rate themselves on appearance (1-10 scale). Destiny: 10, Chase: 6.9, Billy: 10, John Doyle: 7, MLD: 9, Nev: 6, Mary: 6.

Aaron kicked off the show

After prolonged bad-faith engagement and refusal to answer the virginity question, Brian and panel vote to remove Aaron. Aaron leaves at approximately 2:20.

Andrew Tate discussion

Destiny explains why he dislikes Andrew Tate: materialistic message, alleged sex trafficking, selling spiritually bankrupt path to success. MLD and Chase push back and defend Tate's impact.

Men's crisis and how to support men

Panel debates what men need: Destiny advocates emotional intelligence and feminine balance; MLD pitches Core Four framework; John Doyle argues for return to enforced masculinity and gender roles.

Marriage, divorce, and premarital sex

Chase argues for abstinence until marriage; Destiny counters sexual compatibility matters. Divorce rates, feminist initiation of divorce, virgin marriage statistics discussed.

Fatherlessness, single-mother households, and societal decline

Billy Ray shares prison tutoring experience. Panel discusses fatherless homes leading to crime. Debate over whether abusive marriages should be endured.

Closing statements and sign-offs

Each guest gives closing thoughts. MLD announces upcoming YouTube tour stops. John Doyle advocates return to Jesus. Chase thanks guests.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdon't pull it up yet let me do the super chats or these little donations here uh lindsby thanks for the donation for the bunnells why isn't your spouse enough for you and why did you marry if you found them lacking why not keep it a

Brian Atlassituationship quick answer trying to [ __ ] around other people word okay uh I guess is the same thing same answer okay and nobody think for the uh

Brian Atlasdonation Destiny are you on your normal amount of cocaine tonight or is it a larger dose doesn't seem like it's correcting the extra bro that's kind of mean I don't know say read it you sure

Brian Atlasdo I have your okay it's like it's correcting the extra body fat though maybe do more push-ups and less push downs from the boys cheers

Molinathat guy said a video of him doing questions not my words not my words okay abuse don't shoot the messenger don't shoot the message you probably really like your reading that as well you probably was squeezing his

Kikiyou were saying all that it's lovely okay I'm home man what's next we have so many super chats yeah I like how serious which one this is give a lot of the donate money to [ __ ]

Brian Atlason me in these shows though you're welcome okay read them all okay can you actually like pull out your phone and like send one right now yeah do you want me to [ __ ] up and send two again because I'm too [ __ ] stupid to figure it out is there like a pay Pig component at all like can we

Brian Atlasyou know what Destiny every single stream I have yeah you need to send one [ __ ] up one [ __ ] up and one normal one and one normal one deal is that fair I'll think about it I think think about it think about it and we'll shout you out so it's like Samara I think my

Brian Atlasstream and stuff yeah I'll plug your stream what's next what do we got uh that we'll do some more later let's flip that video go ahead Eric okay you sure you want this I mean well do you have like a box of tissues in case I

Brian Atlaswant to like cry a little bit or um I have uh use your wife's hair crying oh this is long uh

Destinyis it the beginning just go to the beginning I reckon video tap video tap big hands did that for me turn you on um it would have been more if I was

Destinyturning around watching you know you yeah the reason why my face is like silver is I'm just staring into the camera like Imagining the whole time like I wish all the time

MolinaI think that was the worst part is the audio no not in in the YouTube player in the YouTube look I haven't done this for years and I'm doing so well you're not focusing on great I'm dancing nope no

Destinyreally you're looking at the downfall of the West you guys this is why Russia if you do look like you want to die here you can't deny that that's always how I stare at my street what am I supposed to look like I don't know maybe that's just what you look like huh

NevI don't think you've ever seen me dance either what you never see me dancing no I don't yeah I've been married for four years and he hasn't seen you dance [Music] partner

Destinythat's how I knew man she started flexing them shoulders and then traps I was like keep it going for a little bit you're almost done um next [ __ ] video on me thing that's true what did you say what did you say I said he's collecting footage for the next five video because

KikiI know these clips are going to show up like a million times literally no matter what happens

Molinadid you feel a little something during that no no you didn't no I'm like traumatized for my dancing because my teachers were really insane overreacted to this video and twisted it

Mary Morganinto something that it's not but my question is like why did you make your open relationship polyamory whatever available public information why did you start talking about it why did you make it uh something that you can be mocked

Destinyabout so I'm super open about almost all aspects of my life for a variety of reasons one is because I don't like it when people present like a false front um there's online I think for social media we can talk about appearances

Destinyyou've got filters makeup plastic surgery like everything online is fake you've got people that present their lives as being way better than they actually are you've got people that lie about like the problems they have I like that I'm online you can see there's a lot of really good things I do I'm

Destinyobviously well accomplished I'm pretty popular I've been doing this for 12 or 13 years there's a lot of mistakes that I've made whether it's words I've said actions have been involved in ways that I live my life and I'm really open about all of that because I think that right now in my life I'm very happy I've been very happy for most my life but I didn't

Destinyget there by being a perfect person or pretend to be a perfect person and I also like I like that I can represent like different things so like France is like I know that like being buying coming on shows like this obviously everybody roasts me for it and says my opinion is a relationships don't matter et cetera et cetera but there's also a lot of people that are like wrestling

Destinywith feelings like that and they show me an email like oh I think it's cool that like you talk about this but it's not like your entire personality or you don't feel bad about it or you don't let other people tear you down about it so yeah I like to be open about like all of the aspects of my life because I think it's good to show that there are a variety of Lifestyles you can live and

DestinyI'm not gonna let the crazy LGBT people monopolize those Lifestyles right so if you think about somebody who might be polyamorous or bisexual you're not exclusively thinking of the guy that's doing like the Kink at Pride Parade where they've got like the doggy costume on and they're running around talking

Mary Morganabout I think of ugly morbidly obese people on Tick Tock who are at polycules that's what I think of yeah so I like to do so I liked it hopefully my very intention is a little bit about me associated with the worst so you're

Mary Morganhappy that we're being open I think you're very attractive obviously oh so wait wait hold on one second what the [ __ ] is polycule it's a group of people who are polyamorous with each other or whatever oh is that like a Pokemon or

Brian Atlassomething or it sounds like it yeah okay um question for you Destiny um have you or both of you have you guys always been Bali or any periods of monogamy or just always like this what were you born like

Destinythis is there a gene in our relationship if there's like a lot of fighting going on we try to like kind of tighten up for a little bit so that there's not because obviously we're like fighting and then people are like banging other people is probably gonna compound it to a lot of them fire some more questions for you

Brian AtlasDestiny yeah go for it the inquisite these are pretty tamed I like it yeah go ahead um have are you uh running through chicks in Miami just

Destinylike I don't I sexual okay for me sexual relations are fun because one I like women yeah two I like the friendships that I have with women and then three it's fun to be sexual people that you have friendships with that are women those are like fun things for me to explore but it's not about like running

Destinyup a body count it's not the like oh my God I [ __ ] somebody it's just like a fun activity they like to engage with like a connection are you sure yeah that'd be good for the memes it's just more fun when you can like connect and like be closer

Molinaby yourself because you get to know someone a lot deeper than just like going out to eat or whatever like hanging out for a long time or like clothes there's a lot more but because like I get the impression like I think you probably have [ __ ] killer game

Destinydude so and you're in Miami yeah you've got to be running through the chicks number one game is very relative to the crowd that you're in right I think I do have really good game but only with like a certain style of girl if you would

Destinyhave put me into a [ __ ] nightclub in Miami for like a year I might [ __ ] one trick if I'm lucky because that is like totally not amazing but if you believe don't understand yourself no but if you're like a college campus with like nerdier chicks or like chicks that are more into like uh you know whatever [ __ ]

Destinyyou'd be studying they probably do exactly yeah or like gamer girls or people that are into like music or whatever I do a lot better so it depends on like the scene so like in Miami like I'm not like out there like banging tricks like bbls and [ __ ] I don't even know if I could ever score like that

Destinyever I would never be able to do it I'm with you about okay and the Germans you were earlier and I don't know if there's like oh no no no question question to add on to Brian's

Molinaare you running through dudes in Miami Jesus Christ uh no not typically no um still asking still asking I mean curious I'm curious I have some thoughts

Chaseunderneath all of this and I'm not gonna tell what it is where it comes I'm just I'm curious don't worry about he's running through children he's running through dudes yeah you're looking for tips or what not exactly um

Brian AtlasI'll pass banter tonight feel sexually harassed right now has been topped here everyone is rubbing your leg against this guy like a horny dog how can I not look at him man

Destinyokay and that's with the wig off but I agree with you there as far as uh you know the bbls and the fake tits hold on I'm not saying that like if you want to do the bbl7 all that that's totally fine I'm gonna judging it I'm just saying that that's not my scene

Destinylike girls that's not your type of girl yeah they would hate me and I probably wouldn't get along with them right yeah um question for you very serious question have you hooked up with any of the girls

Destinywho have been on fresh and fit I'm not going to talk about it okay here's like a broad rule that I have that's bad game no no here's a broad world that I have too okay one is a lot of women that do hook up with streamers or whatever don't like to ever be public about it for a variety of reasons because you look bad

Destinythere's associations it's just too dramatic and then two I will never on shows I will never confirm or deny certain types of girls because what happens is if I deny some and I say no comment for others people will start like piece together so I usually just as a rule of thumb I don't ever like out

Destinypeople if somebody else wants to talk about it they're like oh yeah we hooked up whatever but I'll never be like the first one to out stuff like that fair enough yeah a gentleman thanks true gentleman okay um so YouTube requested initially to come on and then you also wanted Destiny

Pixieto to join us you two describe yourselves as feminists is that yeah um so what does that mean to you to be a feminist I believe in equal rights between women and men okay I believe

Pixiethat a woman should have the right to choose whether she wants to stay at home and be traditional I think that's cool sure if she wants to go to the workforce I think that's cool as well um I just think that they should have

Aaronthose opportunities available to them to me it just means gender Equity Liberation and the promotion of women's success financially socially

Brian Atlaseconomically you said Equity there um what do you mean by Equity because equality I have a fairly good understanding of but Equity is a bit more um I think modern iterations of feminism

Aaronhave kind of moved away from trying to find equality and complete and total parity between the Sexes and the genders and like a one-to-one way I think it's less about trying to find this golden mean that's probably never going to

Aaronexist and more about like where do we see deficiencies for the genders and on the basis of sex or gender and how can we accommodate everybody and make sure everybody's needs are being met and that nobody's being discriminated against on

Chasethat basis alone on the subject of gender if I may ask what is a woman

Pixiedon't need that question you're just gonna get another question maybe maybe she wants to answer it I mean I okay so I feel like every single time I try to come up and answer with this and I try to think

Pixieit logically through I run into some problems so usually what I try to do is I do ask other people to Define it first because I rather work on their definition and see if everything tracks because so far every definition that's

Pixiebeen presented to me like there's some logical position okay but what is a woman just to me a woman seems to be somebody who presents as a woman who acts as a woman societally you can't use

Pixiethe same term in the definition of the term that's not 100 True um if you know about functional definitions that's like I don't want to get into behavioral psych that's gonna be a whole other thing but basically

Pixieum we have these conceptions of what a woman is what how they present um the certain feminine features certain ways that they dress and we tend to say okay if you wear skirts dresses

Pixieum have long hair that's a woman so whether it should be considered that or not is a completely different story that then starts running into logical inconsistencies consider gorlock a woman I don't know who gorlock is the fat [ __ ]

Mary MorganI don't know about it but I would love to you pixie um if I look at somebody and uh they identify as a woman but I don't I don't know that

Pixieand I just totally register that person as a man in my mind and that's how I interact with them then is that person a woman well that's where we start running into logical inconsistencies right I

Pixiewould say basically the main thing is identifier right um so why is that the main thing though because when we say chromosomes when we say biology and try to use that

Pixiedefinition the reality here is that I didn't not check anybody's chromosomes in here before calling them a manner or genitals calculations but if your brain is making

Pixieabout someone's appearance which makes you register them as either one or the other exactly we're making assumptions based on appearances not genitalia or chromosomes so there seems to be some

Pixiesort of inconsistency if we try to Define it biologically because we don't actually act that way in reality I didn't check your genitalia I didn't check your chromosomes I just assumed because of how you presented yourself

Pixiethat you were a woman so I agree like it's a complicated subject it feels like there's inconsistencies whenever we try to Define it like hey but wait a second just because I wear short hair does that

Pixiemake me not a woman anymore of course not so it is a complicated subject I'm not here to pretend I have all the answers actually I don't think we find it John what do you think about that I think that you're intellectualizing it too much I think if we took 100 people

John Doyleand just had them identify every person at this panel are you a man or are you a woman they would with 100 accuracy be able to discern the by biological sex even without seeing the chromosomes or the genitalia they would know that's

John Doyledefinitely not true you could find like femboys and stuff on Twitter that are more feminine than the most feminine women you're right and so here's sort of the problem I don't like the the way that the conservatives and

John Doylein particular some of the daily wire crowd handle this I understand why they do it they're trying to attack the problem head on but you're right when you say it's not sufficient to define a Woman by her biology you know if you say like the sort of crude you know people make a lot of money now selling T-shirts

John Doylelike real women don't have dicks and it's like okay yeah well real women also shouldn't speak that way frankly it's sort of like your definition earlier for example like I couldn't ask you what an ant is and you couldn't reply like an ant is a creature that acts like an ant

John Doylelike there has to be some way that that creature is behaving naturally and I think that women in their natural state tend to not always but tend to behave a certain way and tend to look at look a certain way and conservatives I think are afraid to acknowledge that because

John Doylewe have so much internalized feminism and liberalism in the sense that we don't want to pretend that that exists like that women act a certain way and a certain way and so we do want to keep it in a comfortable area a comfortable area of like oh well my biology textbook says

John Doylethis and you know you look like this but in the next 10 15 years Chase and I were talking about this earlier as the surgeries continue as the hormones continue the makeup you won't be able to tell and it won't be sufficient to just look at somebody and be able to say oh

John Doyleyou're a man or you're a woman and so it can't purely be cosmetic it can't purely be biology biological it's almost this like metaphysical discussion that I don't think anyone's ready to have so in a way the woke people are actually more correct because they're trying to have a

John Doyleconversation about the essence of gender and the right is just like oh well men and women there's only two of them and that's just a losing point of view so I actually agree in a way with what you're saying I just don't agree with the conclusion part of the reason why I asked the question you mentioned that

Chaseyou're a feminist and you believe in fighting for women's rights so on and so forth and there's this interesting thing that started to happen in our society where I've seen a number of articles about this in recent years it came up on a couple podcasts ago there are

Chasebiological males that are being convicted of crimes and before they go to their sentencing they I all of a sudden start identifying as women and they get sent to female prisons where they will then go to the female prisons

Chaseand they will rape the female inmates and impregnate them chase bro sorry I forgot dude they will grape them a little too late scuffed dude yeah sorry um anyways like as somebody who believes in fighting for women's rights like

Pixiedon't you feel like that kind of jeopardizes women's rights um I think that when it comes to like the whole idea of like a sudden makeshift gender um saying oh no like suddenly I identify

Pixieas a woman so I can get into a woman's prison and rape woman um that is something oh I'm sorry I keep saying no I'm sorry um keep going but yeah that is something that would be worrisome absolutely

Pixieum and that kind of goes back to this whole idea of like okay how long should a person be able to present or are there other markers that we can actually like the psychologist can talk to have a real conversation and be able to determine

Pixielike what are your true like incentives or motives um I don't know how common these cases are I do feel and I just bring this up not to try to derail let me just say that that the day we had that

Pixieconversation it happened again later that day like it's probably pretty common I I mean the reason why I kind of want to push back on that is because one percent of the population in the United States is trans right so that means like

Pixiethe percentage of people who are trans and also going to jail are probably like less than I if I had to guess like less than point to a point three percent right so it just doesn't seem like it's like unless if you have a stat saying the majority of trans people are going

Chaseto jail for representation hold on one second it could be happening in jail it could be happening in women's restrooms like these kind of assaults happen all over the place and it's like for me it's like okay I hear you say that you're a

Chasefeminist but it's like I feel like a true feminist would really work to protect actual biological women from this whole situation being taken advantage of assault is already illegal though I'd like to add on it's already illegal but it's being made it's being

Chasemade easier it's being made easier as a result of the direction that our society has gone in and it's like I feel you know that women who stand against this stuff they call them turfs right trans

Chaseexclusionary radical feminists but it's like I feel like there's nothing radical about it I feel like a true feminist would actually work to protect her sisters when stuff like this is is coming up Mr Chase may I add on to that I just wanted to ask how masculine in the face does someone have to be before

Nevyou're uncomfortable in a bad with them what do you mean I'm that's what was your question how masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself I'm asking you have you ever been in the bathroom like a Butch

Aaronlesbian I have I'm asking you okay I'm a [ __ ] lesbian like by definition present pretty masculinity they're clearly still women I'd like for you to let me finish I'm asking you personally

Nevhow masculine in the face does someone have to be before you yourself feel uncomfortable and unsafe in the bathroom with them I honestly wouldn't feel uncomfortable or unsafe in the bathroom unless if that person and also this

Destinyapplies to CIS woman as well unless that person started trying to like interact with me some way in the bathroom right you saw Jason in the women's restroom how would you react how would you react if you saw a Buck Angel in the women's restroom I think this is the issue right

Destinyis it like Angel is it a trans man who's very masculine yeah okay but but they have a vagina I'm assuming I gotta catch up on all this vagina in the bathroom would that not make you feel and your Tate did a very interesting video on

Chasethis where he asked me but it's like if I saw Buck Angel in in the man the men's bathroom like I'd be like okay like whatever I don't care yeah if you went into the women's restroom

Pixieyeah well women are more horrible than men so it matters less who's going into the men's bathroom no no no we're saying if you take Hulk Hogan and you give him a vagina and then he enters a woman's

Pixierestroom when you see them you're gonna say like oh my God like you know that's a male or whatever but you don't know they have a vagina so the question becomes like a lot more like murky or the answer to the question becomes a lot more murky because you're saying like oh

Pixiehow masculine um do they have to look before you're uncomfortable but at the end of the day they have a vagina aren't they okay

Pixieif you gave him a vagina China via sex operation if you have a woman if you have a woman if you have a woman or somebody who's biologically born female whatever

Pixieum and they start injecting like that's the definition okay okay if you have a woman or like biologically born female that's the definition you're working with and they start injecting themselves with like steroids start you know

Pixiegrinding start working out testosterone surgery to get you know their boobs replaced whatever um now they're just like super muscular person that looks like a guy and they go into the woman's restroom would that be okay with you guys no probably not

John Doyleactually I don't think the female body is like ready to process those kinds of hormones one of you also mentioned the butch lesbian have you seen the rates of domestic violence among those types of couples I wouldn't frankly want them maybe they should have like their own bathrooms

Destinyvulnerable which is absolutely insane well no no I think the argument is women are not necessarily vulnerable in bathrooms there's not like this episode vulnerable than men there's not this episode

Destinyokay this is like a really fantastic scenario number one number two grapes number two okay and I don't know if this is like an SNL skit or something but like if a Grapist is chasing you and you're a woman it's not like running into the bathroom is going to protect

Destinyyou right so the idea that nobody was proposing that it was but then but if there's somebody should just be considered socially acceptable the it's just it already is in in some countries okay so like in

DestinySweden for instance there's Just Bathrooms where everybody goes in and there's like an individuals yeah there's plenty of this place that exists nobody's out there graping everybody all over their bathrooms it's not this is like such a nice we didn't like the great Capital yes

Destinythat's because in like 2013 they did a massive redefinition to open up what's 200th grade 2018 yes number one but I'm just saying that like I think that there's a valid reason to talk about protecting women's spaces I think there's a really good

Destinyconversation we had about like women's sports but the bathroom example is one of the silliest weirdest things that gets brought up constantly there is not an epidemic of people getting graped in the bathroom and if there was a female sign with a dress it's not going to stop

Mary Morganit why do women need to come up with a reason that they don't want men in the bathroom with them though I don't need a specific reason why can't it just yeah wait you don't you're the one that's

Destinypretending they need the reason because if you say no I'm not you are because if you say I'm uncomfortable with somebody being in the bathroom just because like I feel like the women's bathroom should be just for people with vaginas whatever that's a fine argument you can start there but when it's like I'm worried they're gonna assault me I'm not forget

Nevsomething that's part of it but it's certainly not that part of it you are correct with the assault wait hold on real quick because I cut her off at what point does someone else's Comfort at what point should that be prioritized

Destinyover someone else's safety the problem is who's Comfort because we always talk about this on the biological women's you say that but so for instance let's say that I'm a traditional father and I'm going to take my boy to the bathroom okay let's say he's six years old and

Destinythen Blair white comes walking into the bathroom you would defend that because you said well she's a biological male but I might feel really uncomfortable if I'm a traditional Mom I'm a Christian as a man you're far more able to protect yourself hold on we're not talking about who's

Destinygetting assaulted I'm just saying in terms of comfort because earlier you said it's just about comfort in the bathroom so if I'm a traditional male I'm a Christian man and all of a sudden somebody like Blair white walks up to the stall and starts peeing in and my six-year-old son is saying he's like Dad

Destinyuh I didn't know women could do that well what am I supposed to say now my comfort is being it right so I feel like there has to be like a better Middle Ground here other than like all trans people no that's that's the point you don't say my comfort is being violated

Chaseson you say son that's a biological male but he's pretending to be a woman yeah but that conversation is going to be really complicated yeah I don't think so it okay but we live in a crazy world son there's a lot of people always live in a crazy world okay it's getting crazy I

Destinythink America's at all time high craziness yeah we're like if you think that we're at an all-time high Jessica sure how good the country is if the biggest problem you have are who's going into who's bathroom Okay like there are countries that are at War right now there are multiple countries speaking genocides right now and there are tons

Destinyof horrible problems around the world but if your biggest issue is who's I think you're doing okay

DestinyI think homelessness on the west coast is an extreme issue that would be something that I would consider being experience regardless and you're out here saying oh there's wars being fought well that's not what's going on here sure well there

Destinyare kind of ways I'm just saying that if you want to have a conversation about the bathroom okay I think it's valid to say I feel a little bit uncomfortable if there are people that clearly look like a man entering the bathroom and there's a lot of trans people that agree with that too I think

Destinythat's a fine conversation but when it goes into this very weird world of like I think they're going to do these essays and these like all this stuff going like I don't think sexual assaults I don't think that like that's a legitimate concern aside I think it's a principle of it I

Destinythink the discussion is safety and what not I think the bathroom has little to do with it I think it's just and again you're you're like saying you're saying you're using but but then you're agreeing with me I don't disagree yeah if you want another principle you can

Destinyargue the principle but don't [ __ ] fixate on like essays in the bathroom for translating

Brian Atlasso initially what I was asking YouTube is YouTube's when you contacted me you said you both were feminists um and you kind of described a little bit about what that means um I I suppose my question is um what do

Pixieyou believe in as a feminist and chiefly do you believe in the patriarchy Theory um yes I believe in the patriarchy I believe that there is like historical examples um of the United States being a

Pixiepatriarchy and I still think that there are certain ways where it currently exists um I think interestingly enough I think in some ways you guys are actually pushing against that when you guys are talking against promiscuadian men

Pixiebecause I think historically it's been accepted this idea that like oh you know if a man sleeps around he's just a player he's just being the alpha um and that's a patriarchal notion so I actually agree with you guys in the

Pixiesense that like hey you know what like sleeping around men or women like that's not necessarily a good idea um but yes I do believe that like in the general patriarchy and that there are still like examples of it currently

Aarongoing on okay do you think we live in the patriarchy yes I do and I think like building off of like I think the question that you asked me was like I don't think more related to what my definition of feminism is I gave it to you a bit

Aaronearlier but I also like to explain it to people is feminism really is just like a neutral tool and way of under like analyzing and understanding the world around us and looking at it through gender relations or sex relations you

Aaroncan arrive at conservative conclusions or like liberal left-leaning conclusions to it there's many examples of conservative feminists Rod feminine like rad fems turfs um you know third wave feminists like

Aaronall of these groups are kind of at odds with each other yeah they broadly fall under like we advocate for women's rights but the way that they decide to go about it is completely different so there's not one coherent definition of like this feminist ideology guides this

Aarongroup of women or people because really anybody can claim to be a feminist or employ feminism sure and I just feel like it is a useful tool for anybody to use because wouldn't you agree that the lives of men and women are so different that to analyze them through that

Brian Atlasstructure is often interest staying and insightful so you think feminism is a useful tool yes okay and just really quick just to bring you two into it I I don't know if you guys identify as feminist Destiny consider yourself feminist okay

Destinyum so I think it's to be clear that's terms become so broad that it's kind of like meaningless right sure like like one way of fighting for Equity as a feminist could just be that like uh any kind of like structural barriers that women face entering like certain fields of

DestinyEducation should be removed but other people might argue that like do those even exist um we have a better chance of getting accepted usually when you're a woman sure most of the ones that exist now are probably like cultural in nature and a lot of those I think have been largely

Destinyeroded probably especially over the past like 10 or 20 years yeah um but then there are other feminists that will push for way way way way more radical stuff depending on where you want to go on the political Spectrum so it just kind of depends on what you're doing sure and just so I have a just so

Pixiewe all agree on definitions here what is the patriarchy the beach turkey is basically um this idea that there has been like

Pixiethis system of Oppression that mostly benefits men and is in the what is it detriment of women now the patriarchy also negatively affects men a lot of people have this misconception that's like oh the patriarchy like only

Pixiebenefits men like men aren't hurt by it no there are clear examples of ways that men are hurt by the patriarchy but this idea that it basically usually favors men or puts them on top um to the detriment of women generally

Jonathan (MLD)speaking can you give some examples of how men have been like boosted ahead and women have been like detrimentally damaged due to the patriarchy how men have been detrimentally damaged no how

Pixieyour original point was women are damaged to put men up in the patriarchy does some examples um yes and I think this is kind of a unique space because every other red pill space I've been in

Pixieum has had this idea that like men should like continue like sleeping around and trying to like you know like deflower women and like not marry them and just like you know like [ __ ] around have fun um and continuously basically like if women decide to like follow that lead oh

Pixiethey're stupid [ __ ] they're like dumb [ __ ] like you know they don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing like you know they should just like shut the [ __ ] up and go away right um and I feel like that's a very clear example of like these men reap the

Jonathan (MLD)benefits of sex while simultaneously looking down on the woman that they're reaping those benefits from how's that related to patreon yeah how's that to her a woman's detriment like guys aren't going out with guns and putting them to him and said like you better [ __ ]

Pixiehave sex with me like they're out here getting it in on their own well it's detrimental to women because when it comes to things like oh like the workforce or when it comes to being taken seriously it's like voicing their opinions their ideas I'm trying to break

Pixieinto like certain Fields now they're just instead of actually viewing the woman as a whole human being they're judged only on the basis there's no wait hold on hold on there's no logical connection advantage of women largely though no hold on hold on you're just

Jonathan (MLD)you just said that like woman sleeping around is directly related to her getting a job that's the kind of no I mean I just made if I am trying to and this is like his body count on like on resumes nowadays it

Pixiemight miss out on that can I please finish go ahead okay if I am trying to apply to a professional job and let's say I made the mistake of having only fans or something in the past

Pixieum and somebody sends that to like my employer or if somebody's like oh you know like the way that she dresses or she gives off like [ __ ] Vibes or whatever people might see that as like oh like unprofessional um and she might be even like the smart

Pixielet's say she's extremely smart intelligent um you know has multiple degree whatever because of those mistakes in the past now it's going to be really hard for her to be taken seriously in a professional

Jonathan (MLD)sense sounds like the consequences yeah yeah wait wait wait so wait wait like how would a guy not experience the exact same degradation if he had and only fans and they're like all this guy

Jonathan (MLD)used to do like feet smelling I don't know what the [ __ ] they do but you know and that was sent to an employer how would that like you know well how that like unequally affect the man in a negative way the same way would affect

Jonathan (MLD)the woman in a negative way because using that as an example to prove that men are using the patriarchy to keep women down so that example doesn't hold up because it turns up to both sides of the Sexes well generally speaking when a man sleeps around a lot and we can even

Pixiego to fresh and fit we can go to all these other red pill spaces they are claimed to be high value men like they are claimed to be like these men who are you know like all the men want to be like them like oh you should continue sleeping around look at all these

Pixiestrategies I am very appreciative that right now that this space doesn't agree with that but the truth of the matter is that in all these other spaces promoting the red pill they say the complete opposite they say men should sleep around

Jonathan (MLD)there's no sense so you're trying to say like a guy could be like hey I want to be a doctor and let me show you these 30 [ __ ] [ __ ] from Miami I [ __ ] and that's not gonna benefit I'm like so charismatic and so influential I can

Nevconvince events like 30 women to sleep are you saying that patriarchy would be better

Aaronjust of what she's saying is that there tends to be greater social repercussions for women that have engaged in sexuality if you take an only fans to your job

John Doyleapplication like look I want to be this [ __ ] well but I also suck like 30 dudes dicks I mean maybe 10 years ago but we're neglecting that the people who staff HR departments are overwhelmingly like these girl bosses this is an

Aaronanecdote but I watched a documentary called life after porn and they analyze the differences between male porn stars and talent after they left the industry and female porn stars after they left the industry and the women overwhelmingly in that documentary were

Aaronsocially ostracized and ended up getting back into the industry whereas the men were able to uh

Brian Atlasthat was with the documentary okay hold on hold on so I mean but if you look at most adult content oftentimes there's always a female name but half the time you don't

Brian Atlaseven see the male you don't know the male actor so I mean there's differences on on that level but I would suspect going back to your point I would suspect if you know you you take two people a

Brian Atlaswoman a man they both did adult content they're trying to get a job I think it's gonna kind of reflect poorly on both of them if if it's like a job that requires some sort of uh decorum or seriousness I

Pixieunderstand what you're saying and you're basically saying oh there's a general stigma against sex work which is true but but even if we take that's the one example you go to when I'm asking about the pages

Destinyyou ask for one example there's a bad example can I take a step with us okay I think when people talk about the Patriot in the broadest of sense what we're really saying is that historically

Destinyspeaking men have kind of been granted all of the autonomy in directing society and women are even though in some ways they're benefiting from the patriarchy they're kind of like the subjects of men so men exist to make decisions

Destinyfinancially they're the leaders of business they're the leaders of banks men exist to make decisions about wars and the state of the country they're the head of the political systems they're our presidents they're our congressmen and men are the ones making decisions about how women live their lives they're

Destinythe head of the household they're the ones working jobs predominantly so they're choosing where people live so when people criticize the patriarchy in some ways the patriarchy benefits and hurts men in some ways the patriarchy benefits and hurts women but I think

Destinywhat people are generally looking at is the autonomous aspect that in patriarchy even if you are benefited and hurt a bit as a man ultimately you have a lot of autonomy you've got a lot of different ways that you can decide to live your life some of these come out in good ways like you can have jobs you can be single

Destinyyou can do whatever some of these come out in bad ways you're more likely to join the military or work really shitty jobs um and then same thing with women um there are ways that it can benefit you or hurt you it can benefit you and that you don't have to work you can stay home and take care of a kid um it can hurt you and that you're subjugated to a

Destinypretty narrow role uh narrow set of roles but the main issue is that feminists would argue that in a patriarchal system the man has a much wider range to express his desires and how he wants to exist in the world whereas women are kind of like you have

Brian Atlasto do this one thing otherwise you're going to be heavily socially or sometimes even legally ostracized foreign I disagree with you a little bit there on your last point I think uh actually if you look at kind of the

Brian Atlasoptions that women have it's I I think they have more options than do men for example in terms of uh partnering up with a woman I would say men overwhelmingly you know women have kind

Brian Atlasof two choices they can find a man who's prepared to provide for them they can be the stay-at-home not not all women are going to be able to secure that option but it's there for some women or to be clear before you I'm just

Destinysaying historically like a society exists today is larger than it was in the 1800s right I'm just saying historically when we talk about patreon okay because I said exists today a lot of what is quote-unquote patriarchy is really we're talking about very nuanced

Destinysocial pressures and a little bit of litigation so maybe around like abortion but broadly speaking like a lot of the issues related to women and having freedom of society have been ameliorated women should go to school they can have jobs they can exist on their own like largely speaking they've got a lot more

Brian Atlasfreedom now than they did even 50 years ago well sure sure thanks largely in due to feminists gotcha and just to bring it back to you guys I mean my sense of the patriarchy it's basically queuing on for feminists but um so it's like a conspiracy theory but um wait wait we

Jonathan (MLD)got to continue to use the number one weakness of feminism which is accountability so you said that men are being lifted up and women are being put

Jonathan (MLD)under men and men are having like these gigantic Leaps and Bounds in today's modern society at the detriment of women leave some balance that's what the patriarchy is it's just like this big

Jonathan (MLD)Phantom Boogeyman that's here to oppress all women literally so I wanted you to I just wanted you to clarify on your point because you didn't give an example Destiny had to jump in so what's your

Pixieexample because you used only fans on a no I didn't use it job interviews okay first of all the general point I was trying to make is that if you find out a guy has slept with 30 women a lot of

Pixiepeople see that guy as like a player as charismatic et cetera et cetera if you find out a woman has slept with 30 men from the streets

Mary Morganfrom the objective differences between male and female sexuality not from a cultural stigma that has just been artificially imbued into us there are objective differences between the decisions that women make in the

Pixieso-called sexual Marketplace and the decisions that men make in it because women are The Gatekeepers of sex okay can you explain to that or I'm just I'm genuinely curious I just want to understand like your logic and your thought process

Brian Atlasum but hold on does that still no example let me just I just got to interrupt you really quickly no example on what I mean I'll give you your hold on let me just interrupt you really quick here um I I feel [ __ ] terrible having the

Brian Atlasstraw man for a feminist but like you keep going back to this body count thing I'm I'm anti-feminist but I'm familiar with feminist arguments

Brian Atlaslike this whole men and women being judged differently because of on their sexuality is like such a low priority for feminists I I'm confused why that's your first thing that you're going to

Chasebecause I know it's related to dating were you saying I mean for one example you didn't ask for like everybody hold on hold on were you saying that that was a benefit for men of the patriarchy that men are able to sexually take advantage

Pixieof women um yes but they're also the reason why I brought that up is because since you guys kept repeating like this is a dating podcast like oh you know relationships that was one of the first things in my mind went to but I do have

Chaseother examples of like patriarchal like structures before we get to that before we get to I find this very very fascinating so are you acknowledging that men running through him and that's a bad thing um yes but

Chasemen running through running through uh negative aspects of patriarchy and it's one of the things that men benefit from when it comes to patriarchy is that correct would you say um society as a whole views that as a

Pixiebenefit to men I have my personal opinion that's disagreeing with that but in general if we're talking about how Society generally views a patriarchy how General Society generally amuse women and men

PixieSociety generally will prop up a man if he engages in that behavior is that because of patriarchy you're saying um I do think that's an extension of patriarchy this idea that like men are

Pixiemore capable that men are you know like stronger and therefore like those actions are supposed to indicate like strength I have one one thing one thing really quickly I've been trying to make a point what he's trying to make a point

Brian AtlasGod uh let him make it I've listened on the table he's leaning forward one thing I've listened for 20 minutes please just one thing oh my God is is the patriarchy stronger now or was it stronger say a hundred years ago oh it was Stronger 100

Brian Atlasyears ago I think we've made great advancements and so you're blaming but you're the patriarchy was Stronger say a hundred years ago but now in today's day and age when it's ostensibly the weakest

Chaseit's ever been how how can you pin so this is prime this is kind of he's he's leading to my point okay you and I both agree that men running through women is detrimental to

Chaseour society correct yes the argument that I would make is in years past when there were stronger patriarchal structures over Society there were decreased rates of men

Chaserunning through women because we had greater amounts of tradition in society this whole sexual Liberation thing that is intimately tied into feminism I would say that feminism is largely to blame for so many women in our society getting

Chaserun through because earlier in the conversation Destiny was making the point that nowadays we live in a society where a lot of women both liberal and conservative alike they want to go and build their careers and they want to go and enjoy their lives and a big part of

Chasethat enjoyment of their lives involves being sexually free in their 20s that thing that you dislike that is a fruit of feminism and it's one of the things historically that patriarchy protected against because

Chasetraditionally speaking it was a father's job to protect his daughter's virginity and her Purity and all that kind of stuff that's like that's a good thing for society this sexual Liberation stuff that's burning women is a fruit of feminism no that's very sorry let me

Pixiejust respond to that quickly right that's a very interesting point however when I look at historically examples of like what has happened between men and women's relationships you still have structures of the patriarchy that still incentivize like men to like either

Pixiesleep around or not face negative repercussions necessarily for sleeping around until the Advent of feminism also tried to help fight against that so let me just absolute top of society though

Pixieamounts of men it was nowhere near like it is today okay but the idea that like oh if a man cheats on you it's the woman's fault she was not a good enough wife she was not like good enough whatever

Mary Morganum existed for decades right um this idea that like oh uh sorry I kind of lost my train of thought Okay Christian patriarchy infidelity and marriage was frowned upon for everyone

Pixieyes yeah it was frowned more than everyone but women before the Advent of feminism weren't able to break away from those okay from that I just wanted to say they were stuck better finish your point please they were stuck in these

PixieCycles where it was like okay um my husband cheats on me or my husband leaves me he's an alcoholic he's doing all this well because there's no fault divorce I'm stuck with him I have to take this abuse he could be physically

Mary Morganabusive but those were situations with fault for divorce that was grounds for divorce abuse alcoholism but even then you have to seize cheating as grounds for divorce even then the idea that even then the idea that you have to go

Pixiethrough this whole court process to prove that your husband actually did this stuff to you and that you didn't deserve it right because those were the thoughts back in the day that if your husband does anything to you well it's your fault because you weren't a good enough wife you weren't a good enough

Pixiemother or whatever um did stop women from being able to be liberated or be able to get the rights that they deserved kind of like what men have to go through nowadays with false rape accusations and all that yep yeah nowadays the reasons for divorce aren't

Nevthe things you've listed it's literally just great accusations can I just say I think that you are actively it's a great perpetuating the patriarchy that you're cursing and

Nevblaming everything on by endorsing like only fans and stuff by saying when did I ever endorse you well just by like promoting the stuff like when did I promote it earlier when did I bring only

Pixiefans into things as if like people I said well I said like yeah women are judged for having only fans that was the most Niche example ever women is a very Niche example I think you're

Chasefair play fair play I mean come on Destiny come on everybody everybody for the sake of Brian's Channel if we're going to talk about essay let's use the word grape okay so for essay though

PixieDestiny come on pulling up like oh we see you may have had to only fans as an example but what I was trying to elaborate it's so bad even without only fans if you find out or a rumor or

Mary Morganwhatever that a woman has slept around with 30 men they're gonna look down on that woman forget it to hold women accountable for their actions and believe that they have full agency over their sexuality and hold

Mary Morganthem accountable when they've done things unwise with their sexuality this option than considering them to be just tiny like angel babies who oh and doesn't be defended no matter what they do and as a feminist I agree but I also

Pixiethink we should hold men accountable for these actions as well let's let Billy let's let Billy like what sorry can you repeat that you seem to think that women should not be judged

Pixiefor choosing to do porn I think it depends on the circumstance absence so many women who get into sex trafficking Who start only fans because

Pixiethey get the you know abusive example that you gave us okay only fans no I was giving a general example of like oh the idea of when women are judged more harshly women but if you want I'm gonna

Pixieelaborate now or I'm gonna clarify now that's just an example right um there are you you asked oh you think women should never be judged for only fans I never said that I do think that there are certain scenarios

Chaseum where they shouldn't be judges for the sake of conversation let's let's we could go around and around and around with this but you have like kind of like every single answer you give it's kind

Chaseof qualified like in some cases this but in other cases it's almost like it's a nuanced discussion that's not going yeah I mean you can make every single thing nuanced is the point but it's not fruitful for the overall I want to hear it listens

Billy Rayquestion as feminists who do you think is more at a disadvantage or more discriminated against in today's society men or women hey enough move your mic you're going to hate me for responding

Pixiethis but what metric are you using like what are you are you saying like no you guys are acting like I'm crazy we're not acting you are crazy with emotions right now wait did you even

Chaseanswer her question I'm not trying to disability did she answer the question crazy it's just whenever you answer a question it's like every single thing has a million Shades of Gray and I don't look at the world that way and I think

Aaronit over complicates literally everything so you're saying black and white paradigms you don't ever try to look at the shades I mean I'm the kind of person I believe in like objective truth and like when it comes

Chaseto the gender discussion for example I asked what is a woman and it's like somebody who's born with an XX or XY chromosome like to me a lot of things like that are very black and white and I know that in some small instances there's Shades of Gray but it's like when

Chasewhen questions are directed to this side of the panel with all due respect it devolves into this like million Shades of Gray for literally everything in the conversation I feel like it's not fruitful for conversation so where during the job interview process did

Jonathan (MLD)they ask you to bring up your only fans history is like the hiring manager is the HR the level of discourse that we're on where where at what point during the client you know checks that include your internet

Mary Morganhistory and if you choose to do only fans that's in your internet footprint forever that is a choice that you made that's the example that you brought up and in your belief as a feminist women

Aaronhave full agency over their sexuality since they've been liberated it's only fair then to hold them accountable for making a decision can I say yeah only fans aside I personally I

Aaronwould not advocate for employers to go looking to see how qualified the candidates are by the first thing that they're searching up after they see the name on the resume let's see if they have an only fancy it comes up pretty quick

Aaronit wouldn't just be that as part of their history any more than I think it's relevant for an employer to be like let's look through their Facebook let's look through their Twitter through those users

Aaronevery employer is allowed to freely associate with who they want but I would criticize any business person who thinks that it's prudent to spend their time scanning through candidates like Instagram

Chaseis to care about whether or not one of their employees has only fans yeah I think you're that's not prudent wait wait hold on okay

Aaronspeaking I don't think it's Putin or like specifically to specifically comb through their prospective like applicants internet history Okay

ChaseInternet history and only fans are two different things only fans can be part of your internet so so if I'm the CEO and I'm hiring somebody let's say I'm hiring a salesperson to close High ticket deals and they're talking with important people on a daily basis and

ChaseI'm sending that sales person to go speak with these people and if any of those people that they speak to look up that person's name and they find pornography of them all over the Internet obviously they're going to take me and my company far less seriously if

Mary MorganI have somebody working like that for me how can you say that that's not important like oh well they shouldn't they shouldn't know

Aaronodds with their company's profits then don't hire them I would be very suspect as to whether or not that's actually so then wait a minute it may very well be the case that you're describing does happen and if that's the case then I

Pixiewouldn't expect an employer to act any other way so okay cool great so if this is not a relevant point then why did she bring this up as a relevant point I like how almost every other person in the panel understood what I was saying and

Pixiemaybe disagreed with what I was saying but at least understood it versus you who keeps saying like oh no you think a person like should like hired only fans when it's like hey no like what I'm trying to say is that there are

Mary Morgandifferent standards for women and women when it comes to like sex that's all I was trying to say and yet you keep trying to be different standards for people who are different so they are held to different standards

Pixiebecause of the objective differences between male and female sexuality Bingo yeah we can have this conversation right now I just want to point out that I appreciate you guys actually bringing

Pixiethat to a conversation then trying to straw man me over and over again response be to that would do different so just women make men are treated differently because of the objective differences between men and women

Jonathan (MLD)especially in regards to their sexuality house is patriarchy holding women down I'm still waiting oh yeah let's come back to that yeah hold on let me let me redirect

Brian Atlasonly fans hold on hold on hold on hold on I got a couple questions here let me try to get through them and we'll have a little back and forth Okay so

Brian Atlasunder the patriarchy are women oppressed are men the oppressors um they're not all [Music]

TTS/Donationsowed to 300 those two feminists are so far gone life has consequences it's called

TTS/Donationsreality and you too need a clear dose of it employers want morally sound employee news flash doing of Slash Sexes and moral also can you two form a valid

Destinyargument instead of rambling thank you bads exe I think yeah and some of this interesting to me is that like I think that there is a valid conversation we had about doing employment background checks however um not hiring somebody because they do

Destinyonly fans You could argue that hey I think the corporation should take a stand to say we don't police our um individual employees backgrounds now you can say that's unreasonable however when corporations turn that same lens and they get very woke about employees you conservative people get really upset

Destinyabout that for instance if 10 years ago you tweeted [ __ ] about being a Nazi or whatever or you tweeted edgy jokes you guys would stand up and go hold on corporations shouldn't be holding employees accountable for stuff they said on their Twitter 10 years ago but it sounds like if somebody found an only fancy to 10 years ago you're saying well

Destinyit's totally fair game to make it so that that person can't work it out doing only fancies one at a time let's go because people are getting fired from their jobs

Destinyfor saying something is gay on Twitter 10 years ago that's a totally different things it's actually totally not because what

Destinyif it is the case that your salesman is doing business with another company and let's say that the person that they're interfacing with is gay they find out that your salesperson tweeted homophobic stuff 10 years ago and now you've got like an a blue chip company that doesn't want to do business with you because you

Destinyhire people that have been homophobic they could use the exact same argument that you use about not hiring the only kind of people now hold on to be clear I'm not saying that we should fire all those people I'm just saying that back in my day okay we didn't [ __ ] peruse all the online history of everybody to

Destinydecide who gets hired or who's not I think that if you're not on the clock then the [ __ ] employer should have anything to do with your [ __ ] but it is interesting that we're very selective about what we want policed in a person's history this goes back to the original point that I was making earlier in the

Chaseconversation about homosexuality contributes to the degeneracy of society I want to live in a society where you can joke about something being gay online come on I'm saying gay but it could be like a racist joke it could be a bigoted joke it could be a whatever edgy joke it

Destinycould be any type of thing right or that's POS is it to us what to say that homosexuality is that to us I don't know but your podcast is going we're in California don't worry just tell us when the stream goes down and move the rumble okay

DestinyI think we should probably say corporations we need to stop this culture of Corporations digging into employment history just because like people on Twitter get really mad at like this guy did this thing five or ten years ago whether it's like making a sexist joke or doing only fans okay that

Brian Atlaswould be my person fair enough we gotta move away from that I want to bring it back to you guys okay so feminist posit that women are oppressed you said yes do you think women are

Aaronoppressed I do believe I'm not requests yes here in the U.S yes

Aarondefinitions of patriarchy because I would say that patriarchy broadly refers to the state of the world I'm really not interested in saying like blaming specific actors or genders or Sexes and this is response like no I think that's completely counterproductive I think you

Aaroncan analyze the world through a patriarch like by analyzing the patriarchy seeing the detrimental effects of that and if you see an issue you can address it okay that's fine that's fine okay what are the positive aspects of patriarchy weigh into this conversation

Jonathan (MLD)Monumental please stay here for a moment didn't men create only fans for these women exactly okay pause Jesus [ __ ] Christ let's

Brian Atlasmaintain this losing control please I have just like a little back and forth I want to have a little back and forth on this please allow me to just get through it okay are men the oppressors men and

Brian Atlaswomen are the oppressors oh great why are you laughing it's true are men the oppressors because if women are the oppressed certainly then men must be the oppressors is that true no I

Brian Atlasdon't I think it's too complicated um but so you both you both agree that women are oppressed your women are you oppressed um

Aaronplease yes how are you as a straight white woman oppressed before you answer that are you oppressed as a woman yes I would say belonging to the like identifying being a woman yes that puts you at a disadvantage socially because

Aaronof the social biases we've been discussing earlier on the panel however that's why no one has asked bro hey guys hey guys everybody Brian's trying to get something you're interfering with his flip farming come on okay how are you oppressed there's been

Pixiecountless and countless times whether it be in Academia podcast whatever where I say something and people say like she's a dumb [ __ ] or in Academia it's more like that's not an example of your

Pixieoppression well if people are literally saying that but then when it comes to a man saying the exact same thing I said being like Oh that was actually a very intelligent Point well then they are degenerating me or the Nick are you talking about double standards because

John Doylethere's plenty of that's a form of Oppression you don't think double standards is there's some that benefits of slavery and genocide and some guy calling you a dumb [ __ ] for accurately

Jonathan (MLD)have you ever hung out in like a Call of Duty like Call of Duty

John Doyleand you participate in conversations like this and then feminists will literally think to themselves why is every major religion in society imposed like borderline Draconian rules on our behavior and it's like Maybe This lends

John Doylesome credibility to that thing women don't aspire to agency this is the problem with women are oppressed can women be oppressed if they're not like tied down somewhere you guys don't aspire to agency the one that meant the way that men do you are not

John Doylefundamentally trying to lead trying to do things like that you think you are because you respond to the media into society putting that idea in your head but if that were not the case you go back I think Brian wants you to end your little soy round

John Doyles

Pixieeverything you have literally said are the same arguments people have used against black people in like this

Neveven yelling this entire time so I haven't been able to say anything afterwards you're not gonna sit here and [ __ ] say that you being a [ __ ] is anywhere near the oppression that other groups like black people or whatever have faced you are a complete the point

Nevno no you're saying they're calling me a dumb [ __ ] no no no I'm saying he's safe don't act like a dumb [ __ ] no what I'm saying first of all you guys took my point completely [ __ ] twisted

Pixieit yeah I don't think we're doing like oppression Olympics here oh no no no no no what about these black people people okay the point that I was trying to make is that people look at my gender and you

Pixieknow have limited my opportunities when it comes to like let's say careers look on your retardation Billy Billy go ahead no they don't you have a great

Billy Raycatering a woman today do you I think I'm sorry sorry I think um we should list I think if we asked men and women at this table to list off how

Jonathan (MLD)they're oppressed in today's society the men could come up with a much bigger list I guarantee not a single woman has done any Landscaping in the house

Aaronmen men are more oppressed than women for sure absolutely yeah and in fact and not not only today but historically in some way sure like if you want to talk about like even speak to him visibility

Jonathan (MLD)rates of like suicide I'm gonna be with you what percentage what percentage of people that are homeless are men probably the majority you know three and four okay yeah so where does the where

Jonathan (MLD)does the matriarchy fit into that oppression is that like that's a really simple one how long do you think a homeless woman would make it I agree with you but I think a lot of women will rather go end up on their

Destinyback than end up on the streets that would rather what women up on their back than end up on the streets sure but I mean like even even ignoring even even ignoring that I'm just saying that like there's a lot of questions that we ask in terms of like and the oppression

DestinyOlympics thing is weird um to be clear because I'm drawing my own so patriarchy arguably oppresses and raises up both men and women in different ways right but when we ask questions like well who's more homeless men men can survive being homeless because we have a lot of biological advantages and because we're not subject

Destinyto violence from other men in the same types of ways that women are right right when for instance when women talk about or when men when red pill is say you need a man to protect you protection from who from other men right because that's typically the people that are abusing or violating other women so ask that question who's more likely to be

Jonathan (MLD)homeless it's probably going to be men of course like 98 so women are going to make a homeless fair point but I want to add on to that because she's saying that the patriarchy like you know disproportionately affects women in a negative way and it doesn't affect men

Destinyin a negative way but then where does homelessness so the reason why I don't like to use negative is because so is like a way that Society is structured it's enforced by everybody because in some ways men and women benefit from it

Destinysometimes men and women heard from it um but there are um the the way that we suffer under it arguably is is subjective and whether or not it's good or bad so for instance like I imagine this side of the table people would say

Destinythat women being relegated to relatively narrow roles and how they can participate in the house and Society they consider that a good thing um feminist traditionally would say well women being relegated to narrow roles in the house it would be a bad thing right so it's hard to say that like is

Destinypatriarchy good or bad it's just like a form of organizing Society the same with a matrix it would be the same way egalitarian would be there's going to be pros and cons to every type of organization right even patriarchy in some ways is incredibly beneficial to how Society is arranged it makes like

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