33 First Dates In 3 MONTHS?! ft. Think Before You Sleep | Dating Talk #84

Date: 2023-07-17

Duration: 5h 12m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBrittany Venti >

SSean (Think Before You Sleep)>

JJasmine Jafar >

JJosie (DT84-Montreal)>

VVeronica (DT84)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

SSophia (DT84)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Byronique(guest)

SPEAKER_02Veronica(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sean (Think Before You Sleep)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Josie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jasmine Jafar(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brittany Venti(guest)

SPEAKER_08Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_09Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions — Brittany Venti through Madison in seating order

“"hi I'm Brittany venti I'm a YouTuber... I'm Sean I run a YouTube channel called think before you sleep... my name's Anna... I'm Lana I'm 39... my name is Jasmine Jafar I am 28 and I am an only fans Creator as well as a licensed attorney... 33 for about two more months I am a stand-up comedian I am a social media content creator... I'm Josie I'm 27... my name is Veronica I'm 35 years old... my name is Madison I'm 18 years old"”

QuoteLana introduces herself and reveals partner died; she is essentially widowed with a 5yo daughter

“"hi I'm Lana I'm 39... I am an accountant I am also a mom and last but not least I do only fans... I'm currently single my longest relationship was seven years... not legally [married]... he passed away... last year"”

RelationshipJosie reveals she is going through a divorce while in a new 2-year relationship

“"I don't know if I'm divorced yet but uh divorce... was married longest relationship uh six seven years currently in a relationship yeah taken for two years"”

QuoteBrian reads from Jasmine's pre-show form: she went on 33 first dates in ~2.5 months, all on Hinge

“"so starting with Jasmine who uh is an attorney uh in your Instagram you describe yourself as a lawyer and hoe... you ended up going on 33 dates in around 2.5 months... just a point of clarification are these 33 dates all first dates with different guys? yes"”

QuoteJasmine reveals she slept with only 1 of 33 dates and has a total body count of 7

“"of the 33 guys how many did you hook up with... just one... I've only slept with seven people"”

QuoteSophia arrives late (from Bakersfield) and her first words introduce her relationship reconciliation

“"okay well welcome by the way my boyfriend and I we did have sex and we've been in a in a relationship for a year now"”

QuoteJasmine reveals she makes the guy she likes wait 2-6 months for sex but slept with BG content partner same day

“"two to six months... I like making them wait... I like making them control themselves... the guy I do BG content with now we hooked up the same day we met but that was an anomaly for sure"”

Key MomentBrian challenges Jasmine on her different sexual standards for different men — waiting vs. fast hookup

“"the guy who you are now currently [sleeping with] who you do porn with... you slept with him like the first time you met... however the guy who you [want a relationship from] you make them wait for sex"”

QuoteLana self-rates approximately 9 for being almost 40 with a kid

“"looks wise I'd say for being almost 40 and being a mom I'm probably like a nine"”

QuoteByronique tells story of friend's baby daddy who quit firefighter school to avoid child support

“"she got pregnant by the guy that guy didn't want the baby... when he found out she was pregnant... he stopped going to school to be a fireman because he knew they would be taking so much of that damn fireman check"”

QuoteJasmine self-rates as 9.22735 (joke precise answer)

“"I changed my answer 9.22735 beautiful okay let's move on"”

QuoteAnna self-rates 4-5 based on self-perception (Goblin mode) but 7-8 based on male feedback

“"I think I'm probably because I see myself in Goblin mode every day so I would say natural state I'm like a four or five but my personality I found is what people at least you know guys find attractive about me So based on my perception of myself four or five and based on guys like a seven"”

QuoteSean deflects self-rating with "I'm a 10"

“"uh I'm just gonna say I'm a 10"”

QuoteBrian tells story of Japanese woman who said his anatomy was too large — "the furthest I've ever gone" — punchline

“"I had a girl I dated who said that she saw me as a boyfriend but after having sex three days later she said that she changed her mind because my schlong was too big for her... this is in Japan FYI with a Japanese woman"”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Announcements

Brian introduces show. Co-host Kiki mentioned as shy. Guests introduce in order: Brittany Venti (YouTuber, 30, NY/Texas, in relationship with Sean), Sean/Think Before You Sleep (32, YouTuber, in relationship with Brittany), Anna (20s, AAA gaming freelancer/cosplayer, engaged), Lana (39, accountant/OnlyFans, single mom, partner died), Jasmine Jafar (28, OnlyFans/attorney), Byronique (33, comedian/content creator, Compton, single), Josie (27, cyclist/content creator/cyber security, Montreal, in relationship/divorcing), Veronica (35, OT student/model, single), Madison (18, SBCC student/Whatever co-host). Sophia expected but late — show proceeds without her.

Relationship Status Round

Brittany & Sean: in relationship ~1 year, met via Patreon/online. Anna: engaged (1 month engagement, 7-year relationship; July 3 anniversary). Lana: single (partner of ~7 years died last year; 5yo daughter). Jasmine: FWB situation (BG content partner). Byronique: single, just met a French/Mexican man. Josie: in 2-year relationship, going through divorce (husband initiated, mediation). Veronica: single (recently ghosted, relationships only last ~3 months due to clinginess). Madison: in relationship. Sophia allowed in via chat donation; sits in back without mic.

Only Fans Ethics — Ghostwriting DMs

Jasmine raises whether it's ethical to have someone else manage your OnlyFans DMs and pretend to be you. Brittany argues it's not ethical — parasocial deception. Jasmine says she does all her own DMs for ethical reasons and limits purchases. Josie reveals she works as an OF DM ghostwriter (and Tinder/dating app opener writer for men). Discussion of men who spend kids' college funds on OF, manipulation dynamics on both sides, and whether OF facilitates relationship infidelity.

Romance vs. Transactionalism in Modern Dating

Brittany argues men vs. women war has sucked romance out of relationships. Brian asks her to define romance. She describes it as genuine mutual interest and commitment, not just romantic gestures. Discussion of how dating has become transactional (money, resources, body counts as metrics). Panel discusses how unclear relationship labels have proliferated; Brittany argues clearer commitment structures (boyfriend/girlfriend, marriage) reduce the need for OF-type parasocial relationships.

Jasmine's 33 First Dates in 2.5 Months

Main episode topic: Jasmine Jafar went on 33 first dates in approximately 2.5 months, all via Hinge, during law school bar exam prep period. Kept a phone list. 4 of 33 became repeat dates (saw them more than once). Slept with only 1 of the 33 (the one she does BG content with). Once had 2 dates in a single day. Brian argues top 1% of men could do this; top 50% of women could. Discussion of whether this indicates abundance or desperation on men's part. Panel debates whether 33 dates is impressive or exhausting. Josie notes social anxiety would prevent her from doing the same.

First Date / Early Sex and Relationship Outcomes

Brian asks panel about relationships where sex happened early (first 1-3 dates). Sophia shares she had sex with current boyfriend ~a month after meeting (friends first). Veronica: hooked up around 2 weeks / 3rd meetup. Josie: alcohol involved. Jasmine: usual wait is 2-6 months; one exception was BG content partner (same day, anomaly). Brittany: anti-hookup culture; argues early sex is promiscuous behavior by definition. Brian: disputes that early sex equals promiscuity if low partner count. Sean: pattern behavior is key indicator. Discussion of whether "first night sex" is necessarily a bad sign for relationship quality.

Who Has It Harder in Dating — Men vs Women

Brian argues top 50% of women could secure 33 dates in 3 months; top 1% of men could. Jasmine's 33-date experiment cited as evidence of asymmetric dating market access. Discussion of whether quality relationships are harder for women (emotional availability, commitment-seeking) while quantity (dates, sex) is easier. Brittany argues it's hard for both in different ways. Sean notes that women complaining about dating apps often means they reject a lot of men; men complain about no matches.

Dating App Debate — Pros and Cons

Anna credits dating apps with boosting her confidence during college. Josie argues men should delete apps and meet people in real life through hobbies. Brittany agrees apps are less effective but useful for connection. Discussion of how apps have reduced men's in-person approach confidence. Jasmine notes social skills are worse without apps. Sean argues that heavy app users likely have other social deficits. Brian and panel discuss stigma shift: meeting online was weird 10-20 years ago, approaching in person is increasingly frowned upon now.

Baby Mama / Baby Daddy Terminology Debate

Discussion of whether "baby mama" and "baby daddy" are derogatory or neutral. Josie argues the terms imply the parents aren't together. Brittany argues they signal lower commitment level. Jasmine (as attorney) says the terms are never used in legal contexts when parents are married. Lana defends her own situation — was committed with child but never legally married, did not consider herself a baby mama because they were planning to marry. Byronique offers hood perspective: terms are used differently in that context and are sometimes neutral. Sean gives analytical framework: level of commitment matters more than label.

Dating Culture — Racial & Regional Differences

Byronique brings perspective from Compton/South Central LA on how dating, baby mama dynamics, and relationships differ in the hood. Josie discusses Quebec independence and Canadian vs. Quebec identity. Brian asks about dating meta in South Central. Byronique tells story of friend whose baby daddy dropped out of firefighter school to avoid child support payments. Discussion of how hood street-smart approaches differ from mainstream dating discourse.

Single Mothers and Dating

Brian explains he tried dating a single mother once — she canceled 10 minutes before they were to meet. Confirmed he would not pursue single mothers. Argues single mothers expect provision without corresponding parental authority for the new partner. Lana pushes back: she is financially independent and would not expect a new partner to provide for her daughter. Brian grants her situation is different; many single moms do expect immediate provision. Byronique says she doesn't date men from the hood anymore. Discussion of men who give up career goals to avoid child support obligations.

Self-Rating Round

Chat/TTS donations prompted self-rating round (looks on 1-10 scale and overall value). Jasmine: "9.22735" (precise/joke answer after initially deflecting). Lana: ~9 ("for being almost 40 and being a mom"). Anna: 4-5 (self-perception Goblin mode) / 7-8 (based on male feedback). Sean: "I'm a 10" (deflecting/troll). Byronique: "10" (everyone should love themselves). Others largely deflected or gave non-committal answers. Brian notes it's "not quantifiable" and moves on.

Approach / Pickup Roleplay

Panel does in-person approach roleplay exercise. Scenarios: street, elevator, Starbucks line. Madison (18, SBCC) plays the male approaching. Sophia plays the approachee. Sophia demonstrates how she would approach a man. Brittany demonstrates her approach (brief and direct). Panel discussion: men overcomplicate approaches; a simple compliment and asking for a number is sufficient. Brian notes men are afraid of rejection.

Transcript

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Josielike a guy goes to a chick to bang a chick and what's that name again I don't know like if you go for the resources you go for somebody else that's another relationship that's emotional that's still a lack of commitment though of

Brittany Venticourse and that speaks volumes on not just the micro but the macro right it's the little detail says a lot about the situation what they'll do what I'm

Josiesaying is that if a man protects and provide enough he's gonna have a past most likely like by you first I

Annadon't remember you get a pass for that though gonna get away with it you know so nobody else if you meet like the love of your life you guys get married happy and

Anna20 years down the line you find out that he's had one one night stand a year what do you do why did I find out that's a question is he that dumb I found out I didn't want to find out in the first place well maybe one of the girls hits you up um

Josieyou're a lying liar who lies I didn't want to know why no no well so in that situation what do you do I I told the chick she's a [ __ ] liar s

Annahuh what if she shows you evidence like like legit receipts here's like pictures of them together hooking up stuff like that sweater you sweat though so you gotta pretend

Byroniquelike you like this you don't know what you're talking about you know yeah well do you accept it or you're like I'm done I'd be pissed I'd probably get over it

Josiebut that's me I'm not saying that it should be a standard for everybody but that's just myself personally I can get over that I grew up around guys and I can understand like guys they go for a

Josiehookup it's so not emotional like they can literally bang anything without giving a single foot thank you I just feel like if I was a kid of a parent like that I wouldn't want a

Brittany Ventiparent who was doing that behind that of course not I don't have kids that's a bad example of course but it hurts to be cheated on but that's not

Brittany Ventialmost like thank you it seems to hurt so wouldn't it be more more romantic if he was just into you yeah of course but if I find out is that reality these days

Brittany Ventibut why isn't it is that fair to the other person to settle for them huh what to like settle like oh I accept that they're going to have bad behavior I don't I don't accept it I don't wanna know

JosieI have one my um how do you know if you're not looking you said you don't want to find out maybe no because I told them and it was like I wouldn't do that what the heck are you talking about I'm like I'm just letting you know

Josieif it happens if it happens because it's always when you're not ready that [ __ ] happens I'm pretty superstitious about that I'm an athlete sorry anyway

Josiedid you leave just I'd rather just set my boundaries I was like Hey like if you don't want to break up with me and it was just a mistake it's like please don't tell me because that's gonna hurt me wait but does that make him feel like

Brittany Ventihe can just treat you any sort of way no yeah that's me I told him that I told him that you didn't tell me that this is like if so if a guy hears that what they're hearing is like oh she's weak she's

Josiedesperate I could do what I want and they're gonna take advantage of you it's the same vice versa if a guy had low standards like that they would be called a Sim okay but men women are in hell to the

Josiesame standards right but they're balanced there's it's not a direct but he's not he's not cheating he's not cheating I mean not that I know of and you know what I'm fine mentally like look at me like I'm doing fine right now

Brian Atlasare you are you maybe I don't know doing okay I'm not sure here let's move on uh I have a couple questions for some of the panelists here some of you were so kind to provide some answers to some of

Brian Atlasour pre-show questions so starting with Jasmine who uh is an attorney uh in your Instagram you describe yourself as a lawyer and hoe yes did

Brian Atlassomeone just fart no he's not sure [Laughter] uh so your Instagram in your bio it says lawyer and ho correct

Brian Atlasso what when you say you're a hoe you mean you just do only fans is that yeah I don't know what a hoe is but I think okay just a question for the two girls

Brian Atlasthat here who do OS uh based um do you do BG content yes BG content or solo content I have both huh I have

Brian Atlasboth both yeah I do both too gotcha um so have you ever when I think of oh I mean well I don't know maybe I'm reaching here have any of either of you done any

Jasmine Jafarprostitution oh no is that what hoe no I thought it was just like I'm reaching there I was going to do 304 because I learned what that means that works but I thought more like normal people wouldn't know sure um you said that

Brian Atlasum when you were bored studying for your bar exam you went on a different date every other day correct okay and this is also the time when you started your only thing yeah so after law school he was like two months were you supposed to do

Jasmine Jafarnothing but study for the bar I'm really good at standardized tests so I knew I knew only needed like a week so I was like what do I do so I started only fans and went on a bunch of dates yeah it says here I ended up going on or you

Brian Atlasended up going on 33 dates in around 2.5 months yep just a point of clarification are these 33 dates all first dates with different guys yes okay so perhaps it was you went on more dates but some of

Brian Atlasthe more second dates exactly four out of 33 more than once you kept like did you keep it like a spreadsheet or I actually kept a list in my phone I kept a listing your phone yeah so I could talk to my friend about it of the First

Jasmine JafarDates yeah of the 33 guys of the 33 guys how many did you hook up with have sex with sure just one only one yeah and then I'm friends out of the four eyes so again I'm still friends with

Brian Atlasthree of them you're still friends with three of them yes how like in person you meet up in person or a couple of them yeah I just went to one of their birthday parties okay and uh how did you secure these dates was it dating apps was it yeah it was the first

Brian Atlastime I downloaded hinge so I did all of them on hinge all of them unhinged okay and uh what percentage of men do you think could go on 33 different dates in three months

Brian Atlasprobably a very low percentage very low percentage Yeah okay uh I just I don't know maybe yeah um so and you only hooked up with one yeah

Jasmine Jafardid you do any content with him no this was like right when I was starting my only fan so like just so I went I went to Egypt and Dubai for a little bit then I came back and I was like I still have like a month and a half so I went on all

Jasmine Jafarthese dates and I was just starting only fans and I mean I told all of them but we didn't make content I didn't actually start doing BG content until this last February did you ever go on two dates in one day yes once did you ever go on

Jasmine Jafarthree dates in one day no okay okay interesting um so it just seems like a lot of time you know like yeah it was like kind of like the middle of covid and my law school

Jasmine Jafarfriends had all gone back to their like home states to study because the bar was going to be um virtual yeah and so um I was dating that guy earlier and then I went back home for a little bit

Jasmine Jafarcame back and I'm like I don't have anybody to hang out with I'm bored I want to see the study I mean I want to see the city I was in so I was like why not okay well so and you said that you

Jasmine Jafarthink a very small percentage of men could go on 33 different first dates in the three-month period of time I mean I don't know if they were really trying I I don't know I'm not a I'm not a male but I guess my I would say it's easier for someone like me to go on 30. what do

Josieyou mean someone like you a woman that's like I guess some attractive because my social anxiety could never like 33 man like they were all really

Jasmine Jafarnice I didn't have a battery it doesn't matter if like 33 new persons like whoa did you ever forget or like mix up their names yeah but it didn't matter because I only saw four of them more than once so sometimes on my phone I would write

Brian Atlaslike pizza guy or something I have a question for the table so it sounds like you kept an Excel spreadsheet type thing to keep track it was notes in my phone fair enough lawyer I mean so have any of

Brian Atlasyou and I've heard this from both men and women that they might keep like some people keep a [ __ ] list which I think is a bit vile but um I shouldn't have said that

Brian Atlasbefore I asked the question but uh have any of you ever thoroughly documented your romantic Pursuits whether it's you know you actually wrote down in a diary

Brian Atlasor a spreadsheet on a computer listed out all the people that you've gone on dates with or I've heard some people they'll like keep a list of all the people they've slept with and include

Brian Atlasvarious details such as certain sizes of appendages where did you hear it yeah who told you that I've heard some women on the podcast say

Jasmine Jafarsorry to meet people like that this isn't a news so uh just going around the table yeah just true have you ever kept a list of

Jasmine Jafarpart Partners I mean does mine count so I should I think yes two dating lists my dating list uh Brittany how we'll start with Brittany and go around Brittany what about you no yes

Annatell us a little bit was it the [ __ ] list or was it a no so I uh made a list of like every guy I've ever kissed or like you know and then I put like a comma next to them did you rank no no I

Annadid like put little things no it's on notes in my phone but uh it was so that way I could remember and so I would put like a little thing next to it like this guy is like from this city

Byroniqueor like this nationality and stuff like that what about you no I mean the one you know about is there also a [ __ ] list byronique what's up what you got for us no I try to forget most of the ones

Byroniqueso I definitely won't be making a list try to forget what about you listen no no no

Brian Atlasokay all right um and just really quick touching on this 33 dates thing so and I was kind of getting to this a little bit um do you guys think envelope I'm opening this up to the panel

Jasmine Jafardo you guys think that compared to men that women have dating on easy mode as compared to Matt yes what do you mean by dating yeah do you mean just going on dates getting that

Jasmine Jafarfoot in the door or do you mean having like a healthy meaningful relationship I would say both you could say both you gotta Define well one I would say first

Josienot for anything I think just women have it easy honestly like if you just go out there regardless of what type of women you are trust me like you'd just be like who wants this somebody's gonna be like

Jasmine Jafarme you do that as a guy you're gonna get arrested but that's not it that's not it yeah I feel like dating involves relationships on One microphone at the time guys go ahead I feel like dating involves also if you're just talking

Jasmine Jafarabout being able to [ __ ] or being able to go on dates then yeah women have it easier but if you're talking about facilitating actual meaningful connections and relationships I don't necessarily know how women have that easier but I mean couldn't you make the

Brian Atlasargument that at least like for example you were able to get 33 secure 33 dates in a three-month time period uh one of those led to was it religious what he's one of my friends it didn't relate to a relationship but okay but you hooked up

Brian Atlaswith him in that case but it perhaps it could have at least you have the opportunity there because for a lot a lot of men's experience on for example dating apps it might be they don't get

Brian Atlasany matches they don't they don't get any matches maybe they get like maybe my apps are unique though I know a lot of people date that when they get off dating apps yeah why would you I'm not I'm not a great answer horrible yeah

Josiedating apps are so bad I tried I did a social experiment okay I like created profiles for like some of my friends or like their pictures and everything my God that's like so depressing like guys

Josieyou need to delete dating apps go out there find something you're into I don't know my woodworking beer tasting go meet some new people you're gonna meet somebody but please just delete dating

Annaapps like I completely disagree I had like I I'm not good at going out and meeting people and I can never tell if like someone I'm actually interested in is interested in me back so I remember when I started college in like Tinder

Brian Atlasbecame a thing and it was that weight lifted off my shoulder like oh my gosh this guy's actually do you have a CD Cinder came out when you were in college okay hold on 2012

Brian Atlasyou were in college okay so you're okay okay it's it's figured out I graduated high school early so do you have OCD you just uh maybe mild not like super I like like yeah you like

Josieorganized things okay I like organized chaos so it's like so organized okay no not but you like things to have like label be identified like nothing led to

Annano so do you know do you know who Adam Savage is no he did MythBusters so he has a channel it's really good you should check it out um but so he believes in organized chaos so I went to art school and so it's one of those things where you have to see all your

Annastuff so that way you can visualize how you're going to utilize that's ADHD brain basically I wouldn't say that but it was just something that I mean as compared to going to a bar and I'm like okay I'm not interested in that guy I'm not interested in that guy I'm not

Annainterested in this guy it's kind of a waste of my time and I don't have a lot of time to spare so when I was on Tinder I was like okay I like this guy I don't like this don't you think that you want um satisfaction like quickly as quickly

Josieas possible like are you willing to start a friendship to just try to maybe find a friend a best friend and that best friend potentially lead to a happy relationship because that's what I found out

Annayou know I got me I did get that but this is when I'm in college and I don't have I I was in college I'm like I kind of want to go on dates I want to have a boyfriend I want to do that but I don't have time to go out and do it so I'll do

Annathis for an hour I go do my work I'll check it in a couple you guys met each other no no no there you go I wasn't really looking for a serious relationship when I was in college I

Brittany Ventijust wanted to casually date so casually no casually date that's two different things ah okay dating apps can be useful I think that's the point Anniston they're useful for social studies not

Brittany Ventireally you could it's not like you it's impossible to find someone data you could but it's not the most effective way to do it because you can't really feel someone out the same way on a dating app that you would in real life

Brittany Ventiit's so depressing and like superficial how like not right I mean I suppose their height and stuff and like they just seem to be all right well there's other aspects of Attraction too that you can't see online right you can't you

Josiedon't know their smell right you don't exactly like I'm a very like one-on-one person it's like if there's a Vibe with somebody or just if there's a friendship like I ended up you know I'm like I'm pretty much dating my best friend right

Josienow and we're I mean I've never been this happy in my life on us and I think that's what was lacking in my previous marriage is that there wasn't a strong friendship in the beginning there was yeah that's definitely I think most

Brittany Ventipeople would prefer not to be like yeah I'm not on a dating app I think most people would prefer to meet in real life it's but it's not always possible right yeah but I'm kind of curious why the question was

Brittany Ventiasked about like men versus women and like who has a harder it's already done sorry what's that why why was the question asked in regard to men versus

Brian Atlaswomen who have it worse why why was you asked well I mean she she mentioned that she had gone on 33 dates in a three-month time period which I think is

Brian Atlasuh I would I would say that in order for you to be able to pull that off as a guy that puts you in the top like one percent of men who could pull off securing that many dates whereas I think

Brian Atlaslike honestly if a woman was so inclined I would say honestly the top 50 of women could very easily secure that sort of attention from Men so if that's true then what yeah but who really cares me

Brian Atlasyeah these are pretty superficial relationships anyway so I mean I guess not necessarily but because at least you have the opportunity there for one of these scenarios to potentially maneuver into a relationship I would say with

Jasmine Jafardating apps you're right but I don't think it's that way and but you're right that a lot of relationships are now facilitated through online you kind of see both genders complain about dating and the lack of commitment

Brittany Ventiin general so I don't think being able to just like date around and like sleep around is the same thing as like a committal relationship but I I see what you're saying but

Brian Atlasfor example and I I don't know everyone's philosophy on this but I would say most modern relationships it's the way most relationships start I don't think

Brian Atlasit's typically okay let's go on 10 Dates then hook up then sleep together then get like get into a relationship first then sleep together I think the way it

Brian Atlasworks for most adult relationships is people hook up fairly early on and then they continue hooking up and then they find themselves in a relationship not not for everybody I'm not sure if that's

Brittany Ventithe case like it does happen for sure but in terms of that actually leading up to Commitment I don't hear that many stories of like that actually turned out to be a healthy long-term relationship but I guess it depends what your goals

Brittany Ventiare in dating like I don't know if her go on dating is to marry right like I don't know what your goal is one thing I would like to do to go around the table is um

Brian Atlasa lot of you have said hey here's my longest relationship um or maybe a better question what to ask is uh have any of you here had a long-term relationship

Brian Atlaswhere you hooked up had sex with a person relatively early on in said relationship so let's say within the first one two or three dates Sophia let's start with you Sophia what about

Sophiayou okay well welcome by the way my boyfriend and I we did have sex and we've been in a in a relationship for a year now so well okay can you clarify

Brian Atlasyou said you've had you had sex at how quickly like kind of quick like 30 minutes or one week 30 minutes but like um

Sophiaa month after oh okay like we weren't hanging out that much because we met and then we started dating and then we had sex and so your friends prior yeah that gives context yeah it's a little bit

Sophiadifferent than just like meeting someone the first time and then yeah we had sex three days later where did you guys meet um through one of my friends um she was friends with him and then we became friends and started dating like

Sophiawait so last show you guys you said you'd broken up with your boyfriend are you guys back together oh yeah we're back together but he didn't like want to break up break up but he was just thinking about you know a little time apart because we're like together all

Sophiathe time okay but now you guys are back together yeah after your last appearance on the show like hearing yeah good for you congratulations okay so um what about you oh I'm sorry what

Brian Atlaswas the question again yeah hold on um have you ever had a long-term relationship with a guy where you hooked up relatively quickly

Veronicaso first second or third day I never really had a long-term relationship um

Brian Atlasnever sadly um never wait hold on you're Age Again 35 I'm 35 yeah the longest relationship

VeronicaI've ever had like they only last like three months sorry why um I think because I'm too clingy you're

Veronicatoo clingy yeah have you ever slashed someone's tires I'm sorry have you ever slashed someone's tires no what does clingy mean like to attach like need their attention all the time like you're

Josielike an anxious attachment yeah I don't have that dependent of effective dependent is that the word like yeah yeah I'm just like wait scare them give up on me easily like so they usually end

Brian Atlasthings with you after about three months okay wait so the longest concurrent period of time that you've ever dated a guy was a three-month period yes that's it okay uh do you want to get married one day or

Brian Atlashave kids or um yeah okay so okay your three-month relationship um how quickly would you say you guys hooked up was it relatively quickly

Brian Atlastwo weeks okay I I'm not sure if that it's I'm trying to figure out how to best frame this because someone for example you

Brian Atlascould see someone only two times in a month versus I don't know how I wanna or you could hang out with someone five

Brian Atlastimes in the one week period so I you know I don't know how exactly I want to frame it but in any case you said what two weeks or what yeah two weeks after um how many meets how many meetups first

Brian Atlasmeetups I can meet up third meet up no probably like

Josieum trying to remember okay what about you ah I mean alcohol was involved every single time okay

Josiebut they always come back you know that's the problem so like it's like I don't have an awareness I never had a one night stand because the ones I had I mean they they came back you know so you have okay but you're so you're saying that you did

Brian Atlassleep with the men on the first time you met the first night you met actually no that I think about it what because we were always like friends

Josieor okay so um cycling is a small community okay so um it's you kind of you're you most likely

Josielike run into each other before like you most likely know the person you were you've seen him before like it's just how it is so

Josieyou know you go to races you've heard that name you've seen yeah you know yeah no okay surfing for example like

Josieyou you surf right sure okay do you there's are there like girls at the beach that like you see on a regular basis like just because they're there or it's always new people usually I mean I'm when you're out

Brian Atlassurfing you're to I mean some people like to socialize but I but just to see like just what you see like not talking to people just you do you see faces depending on the swell you're at [ __ ]

JosieC Street you're at Rincon you're at the different spot everyone yeah so you're an introvert like introvert no he's a sigma male he does not see women focused honestly I would be the same way

Brian Atlasif I were like having to go out and like sir if I would like probably just pay attention to Sir yeah like I when I'm surfing it's not Social Hour like I want to go out catch some waves enjoyment but you don't notice like what's around you

Brian Atlaswhat people are saying no I'm very aware of like you're as a surfer you have to be aware of the lineup you don't want to be snaking anybody you don't want to dropping in on anybody but it's not Social Hour especially like on a big swell like you're not trying to [ __ ]

Brian Atlasflirt with the chick when the waves are double overhead and there's like risk of drowning and [ __ ] like it's not exactly your first priority but so your point is like when you're not on dating apps that generally you'll have

Brittany Ventinot actually met the person the first time that you're having a one-night stand with so does it constitute a one-night stand well it's just that like you would just go hang out so okay how can I explain it like for anyone

Josieum okay so I'll take cycling as an example is we don't go on first dates like it's more somebody's just gonna hit you up and be like you're like you wanna you know you wanna go for a ride or something

Byroniqueum you'd want to go do some PD no pun intended Brian okay okay um here let's move on what about you say I wish I wish you would have my [ __ ]

Byronique[ __ ] in dude can go on more than [ __ ] 34 dates in a month you feel me it depends on who they are where they from who raised them you get what I'm saying so

Byroniqueum what's crazy is I was just telling my girl V on the ride up here from South Central LA you feel me from LA from the hood is that you feel me I don't mean to make it a race thing but it is a race

Byroniquething because being a black woman I've never heard a black woman say that she's [ __ ] on the first date and that [ __ ] end up marrying her never have I heard that but I have white friends and

ByroniqueHispanic friends that have told me they goddamn with the get down on the very first date and now they got a ring from that same man that [ __ ] him on the first date yeah so how do you explain that that's

Brian Atlaskind of you understand what I'm saying how do you explain that she was yeah I don't think he got nothing to do wait man this Madison was gesturing back here what were what were you trying to

Byroniquedo this and see that's that pisses me off because I've never heard a black [ __ ] be able to say that and that really hurts me like racism is alive and well I'm getting very [ __ ] up like that that's why like it's so [ __ ] up people

Brian Atlasthink us black [ __ ] just be talking [ __ ] to talking well hold on Britney venti is is you're half I'm a third [ __ ] I'm saying my biological mother is black

Brian Atlasgotcha gotcha Africa black too oh yeah quadrant power yeah percentages look we got yeah we need percentages babe this is a very diverse

Sophiapanel okay we have diversity here my dad is 50 Asian but race wise he is black with straight hair like you've got the three C gone for you Raceway trailer

ByroniqueI don't if I say that be looking at me crazy look you got trailer jeans I don't look no type of white now do I neither does my dad

Josieso that's true like white people are like I'm eight percent polish and 25 German I just sing my Foundation shade yeah you know like

Jasmine Jafarso that guy that I dated the longest for four years I didn't have sex with him for six months yeah I the more I like someone the longer I wait I do that too yeah I think

Sophiathat's no that's 100 true it's like scary I mean I've never like gone long term with anyone that I've went on I need to gather data never like have sex with them because I mean personally I'm

Jasmine Jafarlike traditional oh that's not me I just want to gather data wait but I don't have an Excel spreadsheet like literally but I have one in my head and if I like somebody I don't want my judgment

Brian Atlasclouded so I wait so hold on and I know you want to come in here really quick Brett uh excuse me Brittany um so you're saying that the guys that you think are just you want to pursue

Brian Atlasfor long-term relationships you're gonna make them wait for sex but the guys that you would not consider for long-term relationships that are not worthy let's say you'll just [ __ ] them no because I don't I don't just [ __ ] them I mean I

Jasmine Jafarjust you've never just you've never I've never had a one-night stand never so have you ever slept with a guy the same night you met him one and that's a guy make BG content with now so okay

Brittany Ventibut it's not a relationship it's not a relationship no but I make them wait longer you wanted to come in I had a question for my uh quadrant sister here so you said that in your long-term relationship there was a hookup even though you had known each

Brittany Ventiother prior within the first few dates and you set your traditional weren't you kind of worried that maybe it would leave an impression on him because I feel like guys as a tendency not always

Brittany Ventiobviously especially nowadays will view like if she were to sleep with me on the first night well doesn't she do that with everyone else sort of thing like were you worried about

Sophiaum that sort of thing not really I mean like I don't usually do that but I did with him and there was like alcohol involved but um so like after that we were just like Inseparable and we're

Sophiastill together now and like with my relationship like we're very traditional I don't let him watch porn I don't you know I even like say like liking girls photos on Instagram's

Josiecheating or anything like that because you know you don't need to look at another girl or you're with me she's got better stuff to do than your dad I don't know like I feel like I've got better

Brittany Ventistuff to do and I it's just gonna bring bad stuff like to you know well I don't know like there's only two guys on this panel so I've I'm wondering if Brian thinks that no it would definitely no no

Brian AtlasI was gonna ask if he thinks that like like if a girl slept with you on the first night would you automatically think like does she normally do that is she a hoe that that type of thing um I certainly think that that that some

Brian Atlasmen will view it that way but me personally I don't I don't necessarily think that the quickness with which a woman will hook up with you on an individual level is necessarily an

Brian Atlasindicator of past promiscuity or current promise why not sometimes it's just like you know she just either wants you it could be that she wants you she wants you that bad how do you know it's not just a cope

Brittany Ventiyeah yeah for like ego purposes like oh yeah it was just such a Chad you know she had to it could be instead of like well you know she was like basically naked on her Tinder whatever it was well I mean for example there there might be

Brian Atlasgirls in um I've definitely heard from girls on this who they're virgins and they don't want to wait for like the perfect uh in love moment they just kind of almost in the same way that some guys will view

Brian Atlastheir virginity is like yeah I kind of want to just just want to lose it so some girls will just you know sleep with the guy really quick even though they're a virgin you don't think it reflects on the

Brittany Venticommittal level at all what do you mean like if you just met a girl meaning there's no prior friendship you haven't really seen her around you you just go on the date you met on dating out whatever and she just like sleep so you don't think that she did that with other

Brian Atlasguys well I mean it could be to some degree an indicator I think there's stronger indicators of potential promiscuity because I I don't think it necessarily

Brian Atlasif a girl sleeps with someone quickly that it necessarily means that they sleep with a lot of people for example someone who's a serial monogamist um you know they they could have

Brian Atlaslong-term relationships and not really be into like going out partying clubbing going on you know having one-night stands um but they do they don't have any

Brian Atlasqualms with uh hooking up quickly but they also but they also aren't just like racking up numbers what's that but wouldn't that be promiscuous what do you

Brittany Ventimean like to do that well I'm not sure if if uh serial monogamy is uh no not seriously I mean like on the first night and they're doing that a lot well like a

Brian Atlasrepeat about pattern of behavior I I don't think that uh I I don't think you are necessarily promiscuous if you sleep with someone quickly I think promiscuity has more to

Brittany Ventido with uh the amount of partners that you're sleeping with in somebody who does that on the first night a lot have a lot of bodies though they're more likely to yes but it's not I don't think it's a given it's not a

Sophiagiven but there's a pretty high likelihood I don't know I just meant that the wine was good I mean I mean I slept with him I mean not necessarily but you guys are friends

Sophiawe didn't have sex and you know month or two months then I had sex with him which I don't think that'd be too quickly for like hookup culture now but um I did that and I don't have a high body count

Sophiabut I don't do that often and but the context is different for yours yeah but I'm just saying because also like I used to party a lot in high school you know and um I didn't have sex with anyone

Brittany Ventibecause it's just like the logic it comes across to me like if a woman has sex with all these other guys on the first night their help but if they do it with me they're not a hoe that's how it kind of comes I understand

Brittany Ventilike what you mean by that and just like because if I were a guy or or a girl looking for a long-term relationship and somebody did that on the first night especially if I were a guy and it's a girl like that would be the first thought like what is their pattern

Annabehavior like a guy would turn down the [ __ ] like come on okay well what what if it's natural what if you're just both feeling each other you're really clicking and it

Brittany Ventiis romantic yeah like is that okay like you just it's it feels right in the moment well I I would put it like this even for me if it felt right and amazing that wouldn't happen for me even if it was the perfect night and I'm just

Brittany Ventimeeting this person so and I'm clearly not the only person in the world that exists like that right so but I guess it depends too like what's your angle like I don't know does everyone here want to get married in a long-term committal relationship like

Brian Atlaswhat are your standards well I mean if what are my standards or yeah yeah I prefer long-term relationships I'm not particularly interested in just uh yeah

Brian Atlashaving sex with someone once that's to me to me that's kind of pointless to sleep with someone once and then never talk to them again that's kind of like what's the for me it's like what's the point waste of time if I wanna if I

Brian Atlaswould have sex with someone I want there to be a continuity I want to continue seeing them uh with the hope that it does become something long-term but you know sometimes whether that's on her end

Brian Atlasor there's I something but what's the point like what's the end game of what yeah long-term relationship

Brittany Ventimaybe kids so no marriage right I'm not in favor of marriage no so wouldn't a woman that's like generally higher quality wouldn't they want that commitment and security

Brittany Ventiyou mean marriage yeah if you were looking for a high quality partner you're spending your time with when you expect them to want marriage well I expect them would I expect them to want marriage before having sex or would I

Josiejust want them to expect marriage marriage in general as the end of the relationship yeah and having kids because otherwise it's a baby mama isn't it um are you saying because if you have a kid with somebody that's like just baby mama that's like not a real family

Brittany Ventibecause my parents aren't married they're still together and happy yeah some some people will opt out of it and they'll be in the committal relationship still but it is still a baby mama right and a baby dad well I mean in Europe or even just in Quebec like a lot of people

Josiedon't get married and I'm sorry like calling somebody like baby mama that's a little no one would call them their babies

Lanano that's if they're together she wants to smoke Brittany if they're together it's your girlfriend yeah right if you guys had a baby right now would you just be your girlfriend baby mama or baby daddy yeah no one

Sophiawould say that so then when is it nobody says that I mean I think maybe they mean in a sense of like when you when they break up together you know like when you think of baby mom you think of like some guy who has a pregnant like not pregnant but like with a child's girlfriend or

Brittany Ventinot girlfriend they're not together and exactly like they're not together and so that's his baby mama but not his girlfriend I hear you but I've heard on so many occasions the the term they use no art

Jasmine Jafarwhen they're not married yeah when they're not married and they have a kid is Baby Mama even if they're together because technically even if you're married you're the baby's mama so this is a spouse like I don't know they would

Lanajust say wife so why don't they just say girlfriend or boyfriend my spouse people can be committed to each other forever or whatever and not want to sign a marriage contract they could just be

Lanathey could have a ceremony or whatever and just not want to do um but then you as the woman you're having the kid and what what protection or guarantee do you have like you have a

Brittany Ventikid with this guy what kind of protection for what well like what if the guy finances you they could just they can leave you if you're married too but there's more of a commitment alimony there's more of a commitment and a legal

Brittany Ventistake in things like they have us okay so now they're tied to because they have to be even though they don't want to be no but they will think about it more before going into it with you and having that commitment so that's my points like what's the point if you're not getting

Brittany Ventimarried it's like you're just it's it's a relationship but it's like baby mama baby daddy just seems like people don't want the latest girlfriend and boyfriends it's a degrading word somebody would

Brittany Venticall my mom a baby mama like she would walk out of here so fast like yeah so people clearly don't like the word but they still do the thing that the word means so it just only disrespects if you're married you're still the baby's

Brittany Ventimama so like I don't understand baby mama why is it not a Baby Mama you're the baby if you're not married it's a baby mama baby is that in the dictionary like it's your mom and a dad

Josielike it doesn't matter in like places marriage is kind of useless unless you're very Catholic and my dad is an atheist and for him it was just something that was disrespectful to

Brittany Ventido because he doesn't believe in that religion so like marriage was kind of off the table for him and well it has a lot of benefits right like what if somebody gets into an accident and you you know you have to be the one that's

Brittany Ventiwhat militaries are for what is that the notaries yeah there's there's multiple things loss of Consortium you can if you can

Brittany Ventisign in front of like a somebody to say if if I die this is what happens yeah and the same thing with like property and things like that but there are things that come with marriage that are

Brittany Ventibeneficial to both people and it's a symbolic way of saying this is our commitment and also we have a stake in it so we're gonna really think about it before we go into it versus baby mom baby daddy well guess what I could just leave the state but you're assuming that

Jasmine Jafarit just jumps from wife and husband to baby mama baby daddy like there's no type of relationships but if you're in a long-term relationship ship and it's your boyfriend and girlfriend then it's baby mama and baby daddy like where are you getting it by definition what is the

Jasmine Jafardefinition of baby you don't have legal rights to each other what is the definition of babies

Josielike them so if you don't have legal rights to each other then it just jumps to be like where are you getting that I just don't understand because that's how the terms use English is how we use it it's not it's not how that's no I'm just not the only one who's saying it's used like that just because somebody didn't

Josietie the knot doesn't mean that it's a baby mama baby daddy whatever that's that's degrading but then why not get married then if you don't like the term because maybe some people just don't

Annawant to am I the only one that's heard this as a term of endearment

Sean (Think Before You Sleep)it seems like a lot of people don't want like the the discipline of the label like oh it's just not like not well defined versus like this is my wife or this is my husband versus this is uh

Josieit's pretty late like I was like 18 so the times that I heard the word like baby mama or baby daddy for the first time that was not in circumstances that

Lanawere very flattering I have a child and we weren't married but we lived together everything was together but we were gonna get married

Lanaone day that was our goal so we considered ourselves as a family we consider yeah but we all work together together like still together we call you baby mama never that's their circumstance because

Brittany Ventiunfortunately you know people yeah and everything but you were planning to it's kind of like during that time that so if you're planning to it's not baby mama I just wanted to definitely she's basically saying she was engaged so she's not a baby mama then if she's in if you're engaged it's not a baby mama

Jasmine Jafarif you're married baby mama but if you just have a kid and you're in a relationship it's Baby Mama it's not partner or girlfriend because the difference between not being married and uh legally speaking and uh having the

Brittany Ventibaby outside of that it's there's a difference in commitment it goes it works legally as a lawyer we never use the term baby mama if the mother and father are not married well that's how it's used plenty people use it that are still together and have a kid that's how

Brittany Ventiit seems to be used and I'm not the only one who's noticed that she pointed out as well I think when people are in a relationship they don't use it it seems like she even clarified when usually they're not together I mean that's most of people's like idea of that but also I

Brittany Ventithink it depends on what slang you use though because it's like a slang it could be it could be depending where you're from too but the point is one is more committal like if you're willing to commit someone like you are legally bound to them that's more of a

Brittany Venticommitment than just I'm gonna have a baby with somebody and there's no plans to have that commitment that is completely different yeah

Brian Atlasliving together building a life together that's different okay kind of semantics here let's go back to this thing okay you said that you made a guy you wanted to be in a relationship you made him wait six months I didn't know

Jasmine Jafarif I wanted to be in a relationship but yeah six months before having sex yes and I slept 16 like in the bed with him and everything I've done that a lot of times actually every guy except one that I've had sex with I slept a whole night

Brian Atlasin the butt naked and then what's the yeah I like being naked what's the quickest period of time that you've hooked up with a guy I just told you the guy do BG content with now we hooked up the same

Brian Atlasday we met but that was an anomaly for sure okay what would you say your average is of all the men you've slept with um two to six months

Jasmine Jafarno I'm like being 100 I'm Persian I grew up like I was I have to be home at 11. yeah my parents are I was born here

Brian Atlasno she's 39. oh excuse me excuse me you're 28. yeah in any case you're you've been an adult for yeah but I even if I'm I've only moved

Jasmine Jafarout like in the last four or five years and before that I had to be home at 11 like when would I procure said to high body count like I don't even did you have a car yeah but I had to be home at

Brittany Venti11 like I wasn't well to be fair Afternoon Delight to be fair if she's saying she's going on all these dates right that means that there's guys willing to go on the dates with her so like if they're already willing to do that like that doesn't necessarily mean she has to

Brittany Ventisleep with them that they're getting that she's clearly able to like replicate it a lot right just number wise sure so it's I think it's believable if you're not sleeping with every single one if you're able to

Jasmine Jafarreplicate it so much just statistically also two to six months I that's if I like it so yeah yeah no but I'm seeing how bad Sims are online like I told you I like to get to know and if I have not

Jasmine Jafarthat you're someone like that though I start filling in gaps and I'm very analytical and so I want to like take in all the information get to know the person and then I'll sleep with them okay well I guess I mean I also like making them wait I like making them

Jasmine Jafarsleeping do you feel like it like you like making them late what do you mean like I like making them control themselves yet honestly having sexual discipline is like a great flag naked with you and you like and you need

Brian Atlasto be on your best behavior if you're not it's no do you feel like it clouds your judgment if I have sex really yeah this doesn't make any sense to me because the the guy who you are now currently [ __ ] who you do porn with

Brian Atlasyeah speaking of sexual discipline uh you slept with him like the first time you met so where did you where did these rules because I knew I wouldn't like him he

Brian Atlasjust to be clear the guys you do like you make them wait for the reward or sex yeah however the guy who you dislike you [ __ ] him immediately well I've only slept with seven people so clearly I

Brian Atlasdon't if I just dislike you it doesn't mean it automatically have sex with you okay so what's your question but of the seven people you've slept with the one that you slept with the quickest I find it interesting that you yeah like in the

Jasmine Jafarleast isn't that an interesting threshold for I'll have sex with him but he didn't mean anything so he's just what very physically attractive no he just felt like a Vibe and I wanted BG content he felt like a Vibe yeah he felt like

Brian Atlashe'd be good for the rolling he's great for the walls you'd be good for the role okay yeah but would it be better if she did just sleep with every single guy she went on a date on no I and I I don't think it's a bad

Brian Atlasthing for a woman who Waits but I guess the my sticking point with it is is when you had a you had a way you moved previously where it was like okay

Brian Atlasum I'm just gonna hook up with guys really quick and then you did that throughout your 20s and now you're 30 and okay now hmm I want to find a relationship I want to settle down with

Brian Atlasthe guy now I'm going to switch up my behavior and the guys in my past they were all jerks they were all [ __ ] slept with them I could interject here because it's like the opposite the

Brittany Ventiearlier you said that it doesn't reflect if the woman sleeps with you on the first date what do you mean that kind of contradicts that you're you said earlier I don't see I I'm not sure there's a contradiction there so earlier you said

Brian Atlasit doesn't necessarily reflect if the woman sleeps around or not but then you're saying that no I'm saying I'm saying on the soul metric of the quickness with which a woman might sleep with someone I

Brian Atlasdon't think you can necessarily assume that she's promiscuous or has a high body count based on the quickness that she sleeps with someone now it could be a factor amongst other

Brittany Ventifactors that might lead you to believing that but uh okay I see what you're saying but you also said that them sleeping okay around a lot isn't necessarily good thing which I agree like I'm anti-hookup culture in general

Brian Atlaswell okay let me ask you a question if if a woman who's a virgin sleeps with someone the first night she meets them is she automatically promiscuous um it wouldn't be a pattern behavior yet

Brittany Ventibut it is a perfect thing to do it is a promiscuous thing to do objectively yeah and it seems out of behavior like it's just the beginning of Promise it's like she's on the path to promiscuity I suppose it is

Brian Atlasit well I I think the the obvious promiscuous Behavior would be the one that immediately comes to me is sleeping with many people that that to me is the

Brian Atlasclearest definition of what promiscuit is well that's what it is like yes so what I'm trying to say is if if you sleep with someone quickly it doesn't necessarily mean that you're promiscuous

Brian Atlasfor example let's say the first person you ever slept with you ended updating them for two years and then you were single for a little bit and then the next person you sleep with you then have a three-year relationship you sleep with

Brian Atlasthem on the second date and then your third relationship you slept with them the first night you've slept with three people but all of them you slept with relatively quickly but they all ended up becoming long-term relationships I don't

Brittany Ventithink you could consider that woman or man that promiscuous I think that they got lucky at that point yeah they got like that's what I was going to say like yeah sure yeah that doesn't change is that it's promiscuous Behavior it is

Brittany Ventibecause when you're doing that you don't even know the person there's no commitment there at all right it's not even really a situationship at that point you just met this person yeah you just got like I think if you're gonna make a bet though like best be the best

Jasmine Jafarpredictor of future behavior is past Behavior so if you don't have much to go on and you're like I wonder what kind of person this is then you would be like okay if she's doing this with me it's a good guess to say she's done this with

Jasmine Jafarother people now that's not 100 sure like in my situation I've only done that once and so he would be wrong but I don't think he would be wrong in making that assumption which is I think what you're saying yeah it is basically but the point is the relationship didn't work and I think that's what she's

Sean (Think Before You Sleep)talking about is that these like relationships where they have they just met each other they instantly had sex like what's the odds that's going to work well it's a dangerous Behavior there's a lot of risks involved when you get that intimate with something like you barely another person that's what I

Josiesaid earlier like it's you're opening up yourself to somebody like in such a vulnerable position like there's a risk with like hooking up hooking up with somebody and hookup culture is you're putting yourself in danger the whole

Brian Atlaspoint is that the person's crazy before you do anything serious well I think we should also add some context to the situation too because for example if certainly if you meet someone at the nightclub and you're both intoxicated

Brian Atlasand you hook up relatively quickly in those circumstances you know that is perhaps not the best starting point for a serious relationship however if you

Brian Atlasknow you met at I don't know some you met in per in person at some sort of uh shared hobby or you know you had a conversation that

Brian Atlasabout expectations in the relationship and you know you didn't meet at some in some sort of party environment where alcohol was involved or another

Brian Atlascontextual thing might be people who are traveling around uh if the person that you're about to sleep with they're in town for two days and they live I think that makes it less promiscuous

Brittany Ventithough I understand what you're saying with the different contexts of the situations but I have to ask the question what would someone that does partake in hookup culture and likes to have casual sex they go on a date what would they do

Brittany Ventithey would have sex generally speaking they like that they would have sex with them right so then what does it say about somebody if they're doing that they just meet someone and they're having sex because I know for me as somebody that's against that that I

Brittany Ventiwouldn't do that okay so I'm betting that other people like just pattern behavior also wouldn't want to do that so somebody that is promiscuous they they do sleep on the first day

Brittany Ventithat's what a hoe yeah would do right short term like uh slang right yeah so maybe there's I think it doesn't look like that just by definition there's a probability that maybe she's

Josienot if you're lucky maybe she was just really in that mood maybe she just really had a good day there's a possibility but very likely that she's just promiscuous if she doesn't text you after and she goes to you then yeah

Annashe's definitely promiscuous yeah but what if the guy's so ashamed like what if you go into it and you're like oh this guy's awesome we're vibing we have so much in common and then it's like don't ever touch me again why would you

Sophiado that well you don't know until you sleep with him also you could okay like he's bad in bed sexually enough yeah there's that too but go ahead Sophia I mean if you you could stay with them if you really like them and grow with them

Annaand figure out what you know works right for you and like all that I mean but what if it's so bad you're like I don't ever want to see this person again you do that with getting to know them

Annafirst so and then you sleep well no I'm just saying hypothetically like you're just like I never wanted like this person's into some weird [ __ ] I don't ever want to see like it it ruins your image of them that makes sense yeah it's

Sophialike I'm out of here yeah is that okay I can get that but like I mean personally if they're just like bad or their virgin I mean you could no not grow with them something like that one work sexually

Sophiadid like you know get what you like yeah that's always enough you don't have to just break up with someone just because they're not good at sex I mean I feel like that's very superficial if you really like them you'll probably walk

Brittany Ventithrough it yeah I think that's like a good reason I think in the grand scheme I think so at the end of the day it really just depends on what people are looking at I think if somebody wants a long-term

Brittany Venticommitment and therefore marriage should be the goal and therefore you should do things that a person that wants to get married would do and I don't think sleeping around with people on the first night is something that someone wants to

Brian Atlasget married wants to do yeah they're very out of practice well to get back to the original thing though um I guess my my quarrel is you know

Brian Atlasthere's there can be trends that I've I've noticed where for example woman throughout her 20s she'll gladly engage in hookup culture sleep with people

Brian Atlasrelatively quickly and then or she or even you know within the same time frame she'll have one standard for one set of guy and then another standard for another set of guy so the guy who

Brian Atlashe's just really attractive or whatever she'll sleep with him quick she doesn't have any expectation expectation of a relationship however the guy she wants a relationship from she makes him wait for sex even if maybe

Jasmine Jafarhe wants sex what's the problem though but it seems well it's like two it's too standards well I mean she has the standard for the guy she wants to sleep with because she doesn't want anything else but like for me like I said the reason I wait the more I like it guys because I don't want my judgment clouded

Jasmine Jafarby sex I want to see what kind of person they are I want to see how emotionally intelligent they are I want to get to know them I want to see them on a bad day and if I have sex with them my brain is going to want to fill in those gaps and be like oh no he's great so I wait

Brittany VentiI'm not just doing it for no reason but it's just it's a it's an odd standard to have so what if everyone does have that standard why is it odd because because to you it seems like it

Brittany Ventidoesn't actually matter if they had that standard that they'll sleep with Chad but not the nerd or whatever because as long as they're sleeping with you that's what it kind of seems like what

Brittany Ventido you mean well because it's like you're commenting on that style right of oh well will you hook up with a chat but then make this other guy wait because

Brittany Ventihe's kind of like being portrayed in this situation as a simp

Brittany Ventiobviously like I think waiting for sex is good then I don't expect them to be like waiting for me but it's it's just that it seems like because you said you are okay with a girl doing it on the

Brittany Ventifirst day and you could see that being a long-term thing but that's it

Byroniquea long-term relationship with a girl to give it up on the first night we're kids you would consider that truly deep down in your soul and heart it's a good question um

Brian Atlasyou have to understand there's there's other criteria with with which you can assess promiscuity to me I don't think the quickness with which a woman sleeps with someone is necessarily like the

Brian Atlassole indicator of promiscuity but that's what they do but you'll be talking about these girls be out here getting ran through okay so for example you can make the argument that women who

Brian Atlasare promiscuous more likely than not do sleep with people quickly however not all women who sleep with people quickly are promiscuous so you're saying sure women that aren't promiscuous do promiscuous Behavior

Brittany Ventihe's saying promiscuous we're looking at the let me use it I'm not entirely falling but I think you're a little too stuck on some comments because you're saying that women that

Brian Atlasaren't promiscuous do promiscuous behave paper friends it's not entire so you're seeing the only criteria Behavior

Sophia[ __ ] a lot of dudes I understand what you mean like I'm with my boyfriend I did it pretty quick then like any other guy dated and um I don't think that necessarily makes me promiscuous but I

Sophiathink you're meeting in The Stance of doing it a lot because you could like have sex with someone like right when you meet them the first night but never do it again it doesn't make you a purpose what does a woman have to do for you to declare them promiscuous give us

Jasmine Jafara list is it just she sleeps with one guy on one night the first time and it's oh is it an elements test are we looking at the totality of the circumstances are there degrees

Byroniquesomebody said what I already addressed on the first episode I was on is that I sound like a man I'm so sick of people your mama look like a man you don't sound like a man but yeah to answer your question

Jasmine Jafarum promiscuous Behavior especially if it's repeated right at least one can tell so promiscuous Behavior if a woman engages in promiscuous Behavior into you promiscuous Behavior could literally just mean sleeping with a man one time

Jasmine Jafarfor the first time and then it's done she's in that she's in that box she's promiscuous she might be yeah I agree she might be but yeah I would I would I would say so yeah he would say that she's okay would you say

Brittany Ventidressing you could change though let me ask you Brittany let me ask you a question would you say that show and cleavage or dressing in a revealing manner is promiscuous Behavior well I think that cleavage has a degree right

Brittany Ventibecause Kirby than other you can't get away with wearing the same thing on a societal level if you have bigger breasts than girls who have smaller breasts kind of true so for

Brittany Ventiexample um I saw on one of the episodes the one where the girl flash which by the way was really messed up for her to do um yeah but like for example um Madison I think her name is write your name yes

Brittany Ventiso like you were wearing this cute blue top but it was like a lingerie top even had like garter belts on it and as somebody who's grown up um wearing normal clothes and getting called to [ __ ] if I wear something that has like any cleavage because I'm more

Brittany Venticurvy I get curious so I check the comments to see like I wonder if anyone mentions like it's a launch I know it's fashion I I know it's fashion but like I noticed like in that example and in general that girls that are more petite

Josieskinnier they get away a lot oh no I mean I would borrow like some of my friends clothes that are you know like d cups and you know I would get away with pretty much anything versus they would

Sophiabe to like no go home go get changed um I'd like to say also that I'm ant type horn and I noticed a comment that one of my friends sent me was that I had a top on and it's like from Brandy Melville

Sophiamost of the models yeah they have I've had that and I was having a low shirt and someone said like it's just a tank top right person um it was like kind of like a the square neckline kind of yeah

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