HEATED DEBATE Liberals vs. Conservatives vs. SHAMAN?! | Dating Talk #89
Date: 2023-08-02
Duration: 5h 30m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Lauren Roses(guest)
SPEAKER_07Carly(guest)
SPEAKER_08Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_09Ariel(guest)
SPEAKER_10Unknown (23)(guest)
SPEAKER_11Carly (nursing)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Isabella(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:41
QuoteLauren Roses introduces herself as working at a brothel, age 30
“hi my name is Lauren roses and I work at a brothel and I'm also a musician age uh 30”
00:11:00
QuoteLauren coins 'bordello' as YouTube-safe term for brothel after Brian prompts her
“it's um what is a bord th that's a wi legal red light oh bordell bord that works okay I'm going to say bordell I like that sounds”
00:14:01
QuoteLauren explains spiritual/healing dimension of her sex work at the bordello
“sexual Shamanism they teach Tantra they teach all that and I believe that when I really connect with people emotionally”
00:27:12
QuoteLauren reveals her body count is 500+ (triple digits to over 1000) as a professional
“it's like triple digits or less than that trip like more than 100 yeah I mean I would I would think so after all those years”
00:53:01
QuoteBrian confirms second Carly's nickname 'cat' while addressing her pre-show messages
“okay so cat you in your pre-show messages to us you had indicated sorry I'm getting this pulled up that you're not”
01:40:01
QuoteMorgan discloses body count of 14
“yeah so 14 I I counted for this show I never really thought to even count or anything actually”
01:40:37
QuoteSPEAKER_10 discloses body count of 8, expresses regret
“it's it's eight but I feel like I was at like a time in my life where I felt like I had to do it”
03:29:29
QuoteBrian confirms Morgan's name on stream after viewer donation
“donated 69 Morgan how do you say anything name Morgan it's just Morgan okay uh you are making a lot of great points”
04:23:51
QuoteCarly (19) estimates ~95% of female fitness influencers do OnlyFans
“I would say around 95% it's not even um in our industry it's of um sex because let's be honest everybody who's a fitness influencer”
05:24:04
QuoteEmily delivers closing anti-feminist statement
“feminism has absolutely plagued America scientific that us women make connections with men and Body Count does matter”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Brian introduces show, guests introduce themselves with age/occupation. Go around table on relationship status. Notable: Lauren Roses explains she works at a legal Nevada bordello (calls it 'bordello' to avoid YouTube demonetization).
00:14:00
Lauren Roses: sex work background and spiritual healing
Extended discussion of Lauren's career path: Baptist upbringing, dancing at Vegas clubs (Spearmint Rhino, Cheetah), escort work from age 21, current work at bordello. Studies sexual shamanism/tantra at ISTA. Views sex work as 'spiritual healing.' Had brief pimp; regrets it. Mother worked in missing persons.
00:33:40
Dating famous people / celebrity DMs
Panel goes around table on dating or receiving DMs from celebrities. Highlights: Carly (19) dates Chris Tren (fitness YouTuber); Carly (26) dated a billionaire heir who owned a basketball team; Lauren had NDAs with comedian, NFL players, Saudi prince; Morgan's fiance is an actor in Amazon Prime WWII film; SPEAKER_10 got DMs from City Morgan (rapper).
01:00:00
Religion, spirituality, and values
Who on panel is religious. SPEAKER_10 and Isabella identify as Christians. Morgan raised Baptist, now spiritual. Lauren raised Baptist, now into shamanism/tantra. Discussion on how their backgrounds shaped views.
01:00:00
Sex work, sugar daddies, and OnlyFans
Multi-topic discussion: stripping vs OnlyFans (Carly 26 preferred in-person work over OF), sugar daddy experiences (Carly 26 had several, no sex), Emily stepped away from OF, Lauren on the spectrum of sex work. Open relationships, pimp dynamics.
01:48:20
Body count debate
Extended panel debate on whether body count matters in relationships. Various viewpoints: Isabella/Emily (body count matters, correlates with pair bonding issues), Carly 26 (nuanced, about self-control), Morgan (her body count is 14, happy in relationship). Video clip reactions (SPEAKER_05 clips). Statistical claims about oxytocin/dopamine differences between sexes.
02:25:00
Age gaps in dating
Discussion of age gap relationships. Brian argues evolutionary basis for men preferring younger women (fertility window). Lauren dated 45yo at 21. Morgan dated 34yo at 22. Panel debate on maturity vs. experience in age-gap relationships.
04:25:00
Fitness industry and OnlyFans normalization
Carly (19) discusses that ~95% of women fitness influencers do OnlyFans. Frustration at assumption that fitness influencers do OF. Economics: men make more in fitness industry; women supplement with OF.
04:51:40
Virgins and sexual experience debate
SPEAKER_05 video clip reaction (man arguing love > sex experience). Panel discussion on whether virginity/low body count predicts sexual satisfaction. Brian argues for both positions.
05:20:00
Final wrap-up: hookup culture and feminism
Emily delivers anti-feminist closing statement. Morgan defends body count/hookup culture as personal choice. Carly (26) acknowledges she's against hookup culture even if she doesn't judge individuals. Show wraps at ~5:30hrs.
Transcript
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04:41:26
Video Clip Audioshe's much more likely to fall in love with you be a better partner the likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and and really believing you're the only man for her after being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heartbroken
04:41:38
Video Clip Audioand having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through is far less likely than meeting a nice young beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes you know what this is the guy I I like him every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest women fall in love with the person who lose their virginity to or their second or third guy they
04:41:52
Video Clip Audioreally remember them they really love them any woman to S with 50 dude she doesn't remember who most of them are she doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you she's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period in a relationship she's more likely to just say you know what new answer is new dick that's a pretty good answer and that's the truth let me make something clear if I meet a
04:42:06
Video Clip Audiobeautiful 30-year-old woman I'm not saying I won't sleep with her that's pretty [ __ ] old 30 I know what you crazy I there's been times I was drunk uh is your reaction to the video is he
04:42:18
Lauren Rosesis he Muslim uh Andrew Tate I was just kid he he Con well he used to be atheist then he became Christian but now he's he's Muslim it's in his you know they have the you know the virgins in the Muslim culture and I I know he does the
04:42:29
Lauren Rosesmantras I've seen him do those mantras when he sits down I've seen the pictures he does those you mean this he does that and he does other mantras too and it's like a p i had a a well let's stick to
04:42:40
Brian Atlasthe video here so MH reaction I think you might have a reaction cuz well yeah I mean he um trafficked women in well okay my country and so yeah I don't
04:42:51
Carly (nursing)really care what he says but I will say this allegedly fine allegedly even the Romanian otherwise I I read the articles in Romanian anyways
04:43:04
Carly (nursing)um that be on with alleged alleged anyways um I think look so my once again I I feel like we're going in circles um I feel like look as a girl who's like
04:43:17
Carly (nursing)you know has a body count of 30 or whatever I feel like if I really like when I when I like a guy and I sleep with a guy and I like him it it means a lot because I mean I I have the experience to to know that I like I
04:43:29
Carly (nursing)really like him when you lose your virginity to someone it's puppy love you don't even know if you like him all you knows he's the first one that put it in you that's s so that's my so that's my opinion okay anyways move on go we don't
04:43:41
Carly (nursing)we all we don't got to keep going in circles guys all right I'm tired wait I'm confused the first one to put it in you put it in you to stick it in you like like so he said like did you not
04:43:53
Carly (nursing)hear what he said said describing sex like that yeah it in sex is oh my God stick it in her but okay finish your what I finished it I finished it wait
04:44:05
Carly (nursing)what was the what was the thing about being the first what I well he mentioned that um a woman's always going to fall in love with her first or second or whatever and that a woman who's been with a lot of men like lacks the ability
04:44:17
Carly (nursing)to like have connection which is so not true it is oh my God you haven't even been with that many people so how are you going say that you don't even know what you're talking about why would so you would rather her be with 30 people
04:44:30
Carly (nursing)to then have the anecdotal evidence and be able to say like oh I'm reacting to the video I'm saying that I don't agree with what with what he said and also he is he allegedly trafficked women from my country and so I don't really give a
04:44:42
Brian Atlas[ __ ] what he says anyways move on thank you but I well that's not really an I mean his pending court case oh my God his pending Core case is kind of irrelevant because you need to you need
04:44:54
Brian Atlasto actually address the arguments he's making saying I did address them no but it's a Fel it's facius to uh to say well because this person is currently being accused of a crime therefore what he's
04:45:07
Carly (nursing)saying is wrong that's a fallacious argument I addressed what he said and and then I followed it with being like I don't I mean he could say whatever I don't agree with anything that he'll ever say because I read the Romanian
04:45:19
Carly (nursing)press and you could say allegedly but so if he said that the sky was blue you would object to it because he's currently under investigation my God come on is what you're saying though that's L what you're saying you guys come on now you know that's not what I'm
04:45:31
Brian Atlassaying you know that's not what I'm saying but the fact that he's I'm not playing this game like literally it is it is a fallacy though to say because he's this he allegedly did this bad thing that therefore he's wrong I
04:45:45
Brian Atlasrespond to what he said and I feel like I was pretty thorough about it so okay but I don't you're trying to you're trying to minimize what he said by also throwing in by the way he's also accused
04:45:56
Brian Atlasof this therefore you should take what he said less seriously it's that's a fallacy I don't know what is it appeal to Authority I'm not sure but um sort of kind of he can't be on he can't be in
04:46:08
Carly (nursing)authority on what he's saying because he's accused yeah no I mean it it is I mean I'm just like talking [ __ ] okay F yeah like it's not that serious you're fine that's why I said just move on I wonder if he felt um this way before he
04:46:21
Brian Atlasconverted to Muslim um well he was Christian when he said that oh he was Christian okay I'm pretty sure you okay let's not involve religion into this but he's probably felt that way forever
04:46:33
Lauren Rosesforever yeah I I thought that maybe that had something to do with his strong beliefs on that okay yeah so that I mean for me I'm like okay well that's what he
04:46:42
Emilybelieves and that's you know Haram to him and and you know okay I think in general like regardless of like his belief system where did he lie I mean an
04:46:54
Emilyolder woman will who has had more sexual partners will obviously not be able to connect with her husband as much and will be coming into a relationship with baggage so I think it's fair to assume unless you've had an intimate
04:47:07
Emilyconversation of how many people you've slept with it's okay to assume okay you're 35 you're single you've probably slept with a lot more people than a 19 or 20-year-old coming in and it's one or two sexual partners makes sense in The Music Man I said the S but wiser girl
04:47:19
Lauren Rosesfor me because he wanted the girl that was around the block but he doesn't so that makes sense no I get which I'm not the biggest Android Tate fan but in this exact clip 100% like there were no lies
04:47:31
Unknown (23)I think it's pretty factual to say that um an older woman who's slept with a lot of more men are more to have less emotional connections to their husbands or whoever they're seeking relationships
04:47:43
Arielwith because I mean sex is an emotional thing you know okay yeah so psychologically orgasm for women is an oxytocin release and for men it's a dopamine release and oxytocin is a
04:47:53
Emilybonding hormone and dopamine is a reward hormone every single time you sleep with a man we are creating pair Bonds in our brain that are connecting us to those people not psychically I'm sorry if I
04:48:05
Carly (nursing)cut you off it's science what do you mean what is she talking that's I don't I don't understand how you can disagree don't par bond with every single person I sleep
04:48:17
Emilywith what about okay so is this only hetero relationships or are we talking about like any type of sex anyx okay so you can say like I'm not parab bonding but that's just not reality and that's
04:48:29
Carly (nursing)not scientific so I'm just delusional I just like live my life I didn't say you delusional everyy that I with I'm just in love with that's I didn't say you're in love with I said that there's a psychological bond that there is a bond
04:48:41
Emilyin your brain that you are creating with that person that you have an intimate relationship with that is psychological that is scientific it's irrefutable evidence on the table and so
04:48:52
Emilyyou can say I'm going out in the world and not having these relationships with people but at the end of the day I you said you slept with 30 people you have a
04:49:01
Carlypair bonded in your brain with 30 people yes the the more you the more you slept with people the less you probably Rec recognize it too because that's how it works it decreases desensitize you're
04:49:14
Emilyalso you're creating also the inability to have a longlasting relationship because the more people that you sleep with and when it's just a hookup you're training psychologically your brain that that is more acceptable and okay than being in a long-term
04:49:27
Brian Atlasrelationship the more sexual the more sexual partners you have the more sexual partners you have the it starts to reduce your ability to pair bond with future Partners it may be the case that you've slept with people you had
04:49:38
Unknown (23)absolutely no bond but I I've had great bonds afterwards too I mean like like I said I have no issues falling for like the first like couple or like few people that I that you've have ever slept with
04:49:50
Carly (nursing)say like have you ever felt like emotionally connected to those specific people yeah the first one definitely was a thing but I mean it okay so after I fell in love with like my actual like my
04:50:02
Carly (nursing)first boyfriend the one that I was with for 6 years I couldn't even compare the love that I felt for him with the guy that I like the guy that I thought I was in love with who's the first guy I slept
04:50:12
Brian Atlaswith I mean after actually being in love I couldn't compare wait the guy you were in love with was the sixy year one yes you in your messages to us you say you were in an open relationship with him um
04:50:24
Carly (nursing)yes well not for the whole six years towards the last the last two years we did um we did kind of fall out of love but also cuz we were I was 17 when we got together and we both like it got boring
04:50:36
Lauren Rosesafter a while and then so we both were open don't they say boring Love Is Good Love is that the only like I'm say it's supposed to be a like a noral normal
04:50:47
Carly (nursing)yeah with the first guy I slept with healthy versus when I got into my relationship at the beginning I mean I can't compare the two loves that I thought that I felt you know like the
04:50:58
Carly (nursing)first one was puppy love the second one was like oh my God like I'm in love like this is crazy like I you know we did everything to together we're actually still friends to this day like I still have love for him it's just not as
04:51:09
Carly (nursing)romantic anymore because we grew apart we just I don't I think it's like a seven-year itch thing it's like six years you know we just both changed we grew in different directions um but yeah I mean that's kind of what I'm saying
04:51:22
Unknown (23)it's like well the first guy yeah I thought I loved him but the guy I really was in love with was wasn't he I think he was the seventh guy I ever actually I he was say that's like the only guy that you've ever felt
04:51:33
Carly (nursing)emotionally connected to that you've ever had sex with though no um the other guy was I I've had two relationships the the other guy was the one I was lost with and that was almost even deeper
04:51:44
Carly (nursing)actually because we had more in common like we were into the same kind of like humor and whatnot and so we like got to hang out more and I don't know like hanging like he was it was I don't know
04:51:56
Carly (nursing)how it's been like we were closer on like a friendly Friendship level and um yeah I was even I was in even more love with him actually than the other guy so that's why I'm saying like this is all so like the first few guys you you would
04:52:08
Carly (nursing)say you have felt emotionally connected to well no I'm saying the first guy I slept with I did and then my first relationship which was like the seventh guy I did and then like shortly shortly after I slept with I mean I shortly
04:52:21
Carly (nursing)after I ended my six-year relationship I got with somebody else and we were even even more deeper like emotionally connected so so I feel like that does prove that it does wear off as you how does I just said that it went it got
04:52:33
Brian Atlasdeeper and deeper as it went along I didn't say it got less deep I said it got deeper and deeper but do you think okay let's say you've slept with a 100 people right do you think like you're really going to care about number 1001
04:52:46
Carly (nursing)like at that point it's just like the next I talking about my my romantic relationships have gotten deeper and deeper and deeper more men you've slept with no the the older I get the more
04:52:58
Brian Atlasexperienced I am the more I know myself the more that I know what I want yeah but generally speaking like look the more people you sleep with like as you have more sexual partners your ability to pair bond with future people is
04:53:10
Carly (nursing)diminished that's not the case for me because I've gotten more in love with people the older I get I feel like the more experience I have because I knew what I didn't want from the first guy I knew what I didn't want from the second guy and I knew what I didn't want from
04:53:23
Arielfrom from the third guy let me ask you a question why can't you know what you don't time I build upon like what's why can't you know what you don't like without having to experience a shitty
04:53:34
Carly (nursing)relationship and where you don't like things I did I say that any of them are shitty I'm just using that I learned from each experience that I've had and you're never going to know what you want or don't want unless you experience it
04:53:46
Carlydefinitely do know what I want and don't want without having you can totally rationalize in your head what is good and what is not and without having to experience it I can argue with that and that's fine I have a question for you
04:53:59
Brian Atlasyou said the your six-year relationship um was he one of your first people that you were intimate with or yeah I said he was like number seven he was number seven mhm but however you
04:54:10
Brian Atlasadmitted to it getting boring and then you opened up the relationship well so the sex life was boring the sex and I mean yeah I mean
04:54:21
Brian Atlas[ __ ] we were together for Point exhibit I mean like but you but you said your relationship you had to open it up I I mean honestly to be
04:54:33
Carly (nursing)completely honest it was really him that was the one that wanted to open it and was like having issues like being faithful and whatnot and so I was like all right well we could open it up and
04:54:44
Carly (nursing)and that was that but um but the open relationship isn't really what killed it but you said it was boring too you thought it it was after okay after okay so the last two years we did were we
04:54:56
Carly (nursing)were not having pretty much isn't that a failure of the pair bonding between you two then if it was boring and you had to open it up no cuz we opened it up before that I think what really failed it
04:55:06
Carly (nursing)wasn't the pair bonding it was the fact I mean [ __ ] I I really don't want to like put my business out there I'm scared he's going to see this cuz we're so we're so cool I don't want to like
04:55:17
Carly (nursing)did you feel you stopped growing together to yeah essentially yes like I was I am a lot more ambitious than him and he so he was three years older right
04:55:28
Carly (nursing)I was 17 he was 20 when we got together and I feel like I outgrew him and so it was I became fine I'm going to say I became his mother at the end of the day and it was extremely unattractive to
04:55:40
Brian AtlasSomebody's Mother sure after years of being together so let's watch another tape video okay we got another one here uh Nick pull it up uh is this the second one in the list yes can you go full
04:55:53
Brian Atlasscreen make it before you play it make it full screen wait is this the one I want to react to oh this is related to uh the whole like experience inexperience thing I think because you're were talking
04:56:06
Brian Atlasabout well wouldn't a guy want a girl who's and I pretty much totally agree with what he's about to say but wouldn't a guy want a girl who's like more sexually experienced wholesome Tate here I think
04:56:17
Video Clip Audiothis is a wholesome moment go ahead sex sex this position that position don't you feel like you get to a point in your life where there's something B than that [ __ ] don't you feel like and maybe I'm going to sound like a romantic don't you feel like you get to a position in your
04:56:30
Video Clip Audiolife where you'd rather have a girl who you truly love and she truly loves you and it doesn't matter what she does cuz you know she really loves you and she's trying her best where are those hats the C I know I know she I know she sh her head but I'm serious I'm serious if you
04:56:43
Video Clip Audiosleep with enough women just like if you sleep with enough men there's no [ __ ] move Sex is not a complicated operation right there's no move that's going to be like wow I've never seen this before
04:56:54
Video Clip AudioI've never seen this before my mind is blown if you no no if you think the way you keep a man happy is to move your [ __ ] in a particular way on top of his dick as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real
04:57:05
Video Clip Audioworld and for him to know he has you and your loyalty regardless of what's going to come all the problem he's going to come into in his life then you're wrong so the whole point of sex is a connection between two people and I think having a genuine connection
04:57:17
Video Clip Audiobetween two people is worth more than the sex so her question was what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom you'll blow my mind outside of the bedroom in a relationship as a whole that's the truth that's the truth
04:57:30
Video Clip Audiowouldn't you rather have a girlfriend who truly loves you is absolutely loyal to you like no matter what happens she's going to be there for you you can catch a case six months she's wait outside waiting for you she she okay she can't take dick right whatever but she tries
04:57:42
Video Clip Audioher very very best the poor the poor thing and she wants to sa she wants to satisfy you and you know you you know she cares about you wouldn't you be like well I don't care that she can't take dick cuz that's actually a quality woman
04:57:54
Video Clip Audiowhich is rare in the world today but I am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who I don't have a connection with I if a girl said to me I don't love you at all I don't feel anything for you at all I don't want to
04:58:03
Video Clip Audiosleep with you but I will I would say no the sex act in and of itself is is is okay we've all have you had sex we've all had sex right do you really need to [ __ ] somebody who doesn't give a [ __ ] about you at all we live in a world now
04:58:16
Video Clip Audioright where we have a lot of narratives which are being broken down and destroyed in real time and I think it's very very healthy for men and women to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each
04:58:27
Video Clip Audioother the idea that I don't like them at all but as long as they can suck dick this way then it's okay I don't give a [ __ ] right if a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a [ __ ] terrible [ __ ] I'm still going
04:58:39
Video Clip Audioto be like well you love me I love you it is what it is it's more life's more important than [ __ ] and [ __ ] blowing your Lo this is the truth and if it's not love this if it's not love let me tell you something women are The
04:58:50
Video Clip AudioGatekeepers not men if it's not love you shouldn't be [ __ ] him anyway this is the reality of the world just because the world told you different you shouldn't be [ __ ] any man you don't love that's the first [ __ ] thing you should be sleeping with him nobody
04:59:02
Arielthat's true you're right you're right cuz they no no no no cuz the in whatever the however you say in whatever is is not there I think that's but uh looking
04:59:13
Lauren Rosesat that from a you know just from that angle um you know there are times like I mean I guess I'll relate it to the sex work um there are times where I meet somebody and they're real nasty to me
04:59:24
Lauren Roseslike in in person they're not nice they say things and like he said the gatekeeper I was like you know what maybe it's best you see another girl because I don't want to see you and and in that sense yes I agree I agree that
04:59:35
Lauren Roseslike you you want to be with some be with someone sexually that cares about you that least nice to you like I had one guy that was insulting me like the whole time and I just was like this
04:59:45
Lauren Rosesguy's nasty I I don't want him and didn't I just gave him to somebody else your reaction I mean yeah he's saying that he wants to have a romantic connection or
04:59:57
Brian Atlasor a genuine connection with somebody I mean it's not what we all want but the the context of the clip is well if a girl is sexually experienced say she's either virgin or maybe she's only been
05:00:09
Brian Atlaswith one guy there's this Trope that a woman who's has a low body count that translates to she's going to be bad in bed or if she's a virgin she's going to be bad in bed but he acknowledges her trying though he says hey she's trying
05:00:22
Carlyshe's trying I like hey her heart's there she's trying man you can always teach right I mean I think that the best part about two inexperienced people being together is that you learn together I think that's really
05:00:35
Carlyfulfilling and I'm sure that um after a couple years like it's probably the best sex of your life right it's also the most a couple years not even a couple I don't think it would take that long if you're trying you're practicing every
05:00:46
Emilyday you're getting your lessons in maybe it's that's what an honorable man that actually wants a wife will be able to teach those things and even if he's sexually inexperienced and she's sexually in experience that's like the beauty of a relationship is that when
05:00:59
Emilyyou do love one another you're creating that emotional connection with them to then continue the relationship and it will right and you'll see Improvement and you get to teach each other what you like and don't like you don't need experience to tell them oh I like it
05:01:10
Carly (nursing)done to me this way or that way when you get to learn that with each other and continue to explore by experience I didn't by experience I didn't mean like sexual experience like particular like
05:01:22
Carly (nursing)oh like what moves do you like I mean that's obviously like teachable and whatever that's between two part I'm talking about like just experience with relationships in general I did not I was
05:01:35
Carly (nursing)not I want to really like not sexual experience yeah no no no no okay yeah just so we have that clear I was not talking about like oh I like it this way and whatever okay but I mean I I've
05:01:47
Carly (nursing)certainly heard that as a rebuttal to men preferring women who oh like oh like better than than the girls yeah oh God no no but I've definitely heard that like if a guy's like oh I prefer go with a low body count and they're trying to
05:01:59
Brian Atlasargue oh body count doesn't matter it's like well oh the what about the the Gluck Gluck 9000 I kind of want to wrap this I mean
05:02:10
Carly (nursing)what I want to kind of make a conclusion for myself just on this whole topic is I feel like women who have a low body count want to feel like oh I'm more valuable and I'm better than a girl that
05:02:22
Carly (nursing)has a high body count and I feel like sometimes women with a high body count are trying to like oh well I'm better because I could do XYZ anded better than you and I think both of those takes are like absolutely horrible I think there's
05:02:33
Carly (nursing)no one's better than the other I think that if you don't you know if you have a low body count that's fine if you have a high body count that's fine that's my point it doesn't matter either way what when I was talking about
05:02:46
Carly (nursing)experience I meant more just like relationship experience and like what you want and don't want in your partner like as a whole not as in bed but you you said that body count is irrelevant
05:02:58
Carly (nursing)and that men are weird for wanting young virgins well yes young virgins I mean look and I think it's strange and I think that you you should expect to be with somebody with the same like morals as you like if you're guy who's slept
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Carly (nursing)with a bunch of women then you're weird you're like a hypocrite for wanting a virgin and I think we can agree on that i% that hot and that's all I said hot take hot take here you disagree well I
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Brian Atlasthink as a guy if you're let's say you have a high body count as a guy I don't think it's I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to prefer to date women with a low body
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Carlycount sure yeah but those women don't have to date you because you have a high body account what do you mean like um no nobody has to date anybody I mean it's reasonable you're allowed to have a
05:03:46
Carlypreference on absolutely anything there's no one saying you can't have a preference on like anything but um I think it's kind of you think it's a double standard I think it's not necessar double standard I think it might be kind of unrealistic like if a
05:03:58
Carlyman came up to me and was like oh I like the year virgin and he has 300 bodies I'm going to be like yeah no and I think most women who are saving them I don't like that term but saving themselves
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Brian Atlaswould agree like you probably want someone yeah there there are that may very well be the case but there's definitely women who I think generally speaking women care a maybe a little bit
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Carlyless or quite a bit less when it comes to their you know and it it is I I don't know if I necessarily like agree with that standard but like I've definitely
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Carlyhung out with or gone on dates with guys who have u in my opinion a relatively high body count and as much as I'm willing to forgive it I wouldn't sleep with them probably yeah sorry you would
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CarlyI would not sleep would not because they have a high body count and honestly what's high for a man in my opinion is probably not the same as what's high for a woman in my opinion which is biased but just logically and realistically
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Carly (nursing)that's how it works but you think it's kind of like hypocritical kind of double standard like if a guy with a high body count wants a girl with a low body count or yeah I mean I mean I don't think it's necessar a double standard I just think
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Carly (nursing)it's hypocritical I think that if you if you I mean maybe I guess double standard is the right word for it I just feel like if if you expect your partner to have certain morals then you should have the same morals as well so yes I guess
05:05:19
Brian Atlasit is well I mean my my rebuttal to that is does there need to be perfect reciprocity no well what I'm trying to what I'm trying to get at is does there
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Brian Atlasneed to be perfect equivalent between what the two part like for example can we all agree like um a lot of women would be very attractive to like a very
05:05:40
Brian Atlaswealthy man yeah yes in order for her to be attracted to him does she too also need to be wealthy no no or what about a man who's tall need she also be tall to
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Carly (nursing)be attracted to a man who's tall or what about a guy who's funny need a woman be funny herself to be attracted to a man who's funny so people desire you have to
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Brian Atlasbe funny no but but people desire traits in their partner that they do not necessarily possess themselves so in this case a man who has a high body count I think he may very well
05:06:14
Carly (nursing)desire a woman with a low body count because a low body count is a desirable thing mhm Des morals I'm talking about like just having like like the same morals cuz like sense of humor is not
05:06:27
Carly (nursing)immoral height is is not immoral body count or the amount of the you know sex but maybe changed maybe he had a ho face maybe she had a ho face yeah
05:06:40
Carly (nursing)but he could still have a pre maybe he had the H more likely to be psychologically affected by it that actually is not true and I know a study you're it's the same for men and women
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Ariellook up H statistically statistically when a man has a she actually showed me this when a man has a higher body count it does drive up divorce rates and stuff but psychologically speaking orgasm is
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Arielan oxytocin release for women and a dopamine release for men and that is the facts it is Psych ol it is your brain it is your biology and you cannot deny that I don't understand why you're trying to dispute things that we have multiple
05:07:16
Carly (nursing)studies on I just feel like I'm like repeating myself a lot I feel like y'all are bored like you will not accept that we are telling you science okay but I I
05:07:27
Carlywould like to know sorry I don't I'm I would like to know how you're disputing we're giving you science and you're disputing it by saying no that's not true we're giving you a without providing any Nuance to your take it's also easy just say like body count
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Unknown (23)shouldn't matter because people with higher body counts and lower body counts value sex very differently I agree 100% it's obviously very different moral
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Unknown (23)standing oh my goodness I feel like I made all my points we're going around circles and to like take on like what you said I feel like um you're allowed to desire and have preferences it's just like the
05:08:04
Brian Atlasthings you listed like personality traits are so much different than Purity mhmm oh yeah but I okay the the whole argument is well a guy with a high body count he shouldn't want a woman he should match up with a with a woman who
05:08:17
Brian Atlasalso has ey body count because you know that's that's fair but it's like okay well both men and women we we're not the same like we desire certain characteristics that we ourselves do not
05:08:29
Brian Atlaspossess for example if you're a super masculine guy need you date a super masculine woman or can you be attracted shocker to a woman who's more feminine a woman can also prefer to have a man with
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Morgana lower body count just the same even if she had a higher body count yeah I also think body count also doesn't have to matter so much I mean Matt and I literally never talked about it once until we started watching is he still in
05:08:52
Brian Atlasthe chat proba he's probably there I don't know hold on Matt Matt you find out that uh your girl fiance over here she reveals to you did you guys ever
05:09:04
Brian Atlastalk about it yeah like after we watched your show like five times but but prior to watching our show you got never disclosed to each other what's did he share his body count I don't know if you want to share it but it was like higher
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Morganthan mine you said like I think it was like above 30 though for sure you said you yeah what his name's Matt right Matt she what is he calling you ugaa
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Brian Atlaswas Matt okay she reveals that her body count is 300 is the wedding off dude come on be
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Morganhonest let us know in the chat wasn't that m i I think I know his answer but yeah I would be interesting to know word um let's move on from this we have
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Brian Atlasanother Tate video another one another one I think we're going to do four but we're just going to do three I think uh is this it or is this wait which one there's two right what did this one's
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Brian Atlastwo minutes play it life for without children is is I don't know and next let's see the next actually no we're I think we're good on the tap videos uh can I I do want the
05:10:17
Brian Atlasgirls to rate someone's Instagram here before we uh okay two people's Instagrams um actually here do you know uh I'm gonna I'm going to go pull it up MADD if you can read the Super Chat and then ask
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Unknown (23)the girls their final thoughts if they have any made you look gain mahaha quickly Google Mega worms thoughts on cuddle therapy stop talking car Brian any chance Matthew FY on a future show
05:10:43
Unknown (23)that was so many different points in one question the dating coach I don't know who that is a dating Co he has some cool he's like Australian or something or New Zealand
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Lauren Rosesyeah guy I'm thinking of I like him and Jackson The Jackson
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TTS Donationsknow I don't I don't know ohore Germany donated $99 TTS this is very nice podcast I wish you all a very nice time Bala Germany
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Unknown (23)thank you man appreciate what what are our thoughts on cuddle therapy I didn't know that was a thing it is a thing it is it's a little weird oh wait I actually heard where people can just
05:11:22
Unknown (23)cuddle with you you you H and like talk it's a it's a thing I feel like I I can see that I would do it I feel like
05:11:35
Unknown (23)I'd be a little bit weirded out if I just like had someone cuddle with me while like like some random person pay for it scary again because you're bonding with that person that you're not going to have a relationship with like it's
05:11:47
Carlyjust going to damage you cuddling is a very intimate thing as much as I wouldn't personally do it I can see at a really low point of your life if you have nobody else how that could be a yeah sure yeah if it works for you do it
05:12:00
Brian Atlasand he was talking about Matthew hussy I think I actually emailed Matthew hussy a while back inviting him on but I don't I don't think he got back to me but be down to have him on it'd be pretty interesting cuz he's is he's a female
05:12:12
Carlydating coach is that the guy who I always see on my Tik Tok videos like the proper way to make a woman have sex with you whatever I
05:12:24
Carlywasy I every take I've heard has been about sex or is that the wrong no that's not him he British British what's mango worms what they said Google mango worms
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Brian AtlasI that's a bad idea I don't know um here we're going to get your guys' rating on this uh gentleman and then we're going to wrap up the show
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TTS Donationseight oh wait hold on here swordless donated $100 love and sex are completely different things see in the you can't explain why you love someone but you can
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TTS Donationsexplain why you have an attraction to someone and M thanks for sitting there again and morning/ afternoon SL evening SL night
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Brian AtlasSL whatever all yo swordless thank you uh good to see you in the chat man swordless is a long time uh supporter and uh he
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Brian Atlasuh he's uh he's a he's a giga Chad okay um thank you man appreciate your good to glad you this guy uh his name [ __ ] I forgot what his actual name is looks
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Brian Atlaslike a z decide yeah he does it like as his disciple uh scroll down scroll down um let's see a bodybuilder wow yeah he looks like a bodybuilder yeah
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TTS Donationsbodybuilder seems nice um he's hotter than the last one oh Matthew mcarthy donated $100 all right Brian you got me to
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TTS Donations$800 I would not care at all about my Bo Bala body count what matters is that she's number one honest loyal and a genuine Angel which she is get me on the
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TTS Donationsshow with her versus the red Bill Avengers you won't be disappoint a that was a nice one I I I got to call cap on that to no I actually totally
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Morganbelieve him I mean I don't know but yeah no call all you want there's men like that in all you want you don't know the real me no but I mean he obviously knows your true body count but like right I feel like it's it would be a different
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Brian Atlascircumstance to reveal different me if it was so many who knows who knows but thank you man appreciate it we can talk let's let's pull back up Instagram guy all right scroll keep scrolling all
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Unknown (23)right so he's very fit got a cute dog he's very fit um see men I feel okay I'm not like argument CCT revealing photos but isn't that also
05:14:53
Unknown (23)revealing photos wait what I feel like men don't want this guy's on young La isn't he don't want women posting ring kind of revealing photos as well oh sorry can we I did not mean
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Carlyto can we look at his bio and see young La yeah we'll scroll up I'm trying to [ __ ] I only know by his like our clothing sponsor yeah you can scroll all
05:15:14
Carlythe way up just to the very top clothing MH it's fitness clothing very very top to the his Michael that's coach Sony oh my god oh wow okay you guys I he's
05:15:26
Carlydefinitely a his disciple but I was thinking like he was like a meat Rider but he's sponsored wait a meat what's a meat Rider meat Rider like it's he just looks like a yay Avenger single POS some
05:15:36
Carlylike the the superhero T the pump cover joggers everything young like the bag like everything yeah now I I in addition to him being pretty ripped I
05:15:48
Brian Atlaswould like to point out because I want I'm gonna ask you guys if you would you know you date them and I want you guys to actually answer if you were single okay uh
05:15:59
Brian Atlashe was the main tank in His World of Warcraft rating Guild okay guys he played a Toren Warrior he got to Knack you know they cleared it to at um you
05:16:10
Brian Atlasknow he was playing on ferina I think you know he's like a kind of a d like DPS really solid but he's a tank so you know like he plays World of Warcraft a lot so maybe that's a pro maybe that's
05:16:21
Brian Atlasnegative but like also very fit guy very nice guy um we were going to have him on the show unfortunately you know didn't work out but uh maybe hey Michael if you
05:16:32
Brian Atlassee this let's have you on the show um do you are yes smash or P I don't know what the right [ __ ] not because of the
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CarlyWorld of Warcraft part I I like a man who games a little bit okay because I don't see myself dating as ziz disciple is he I don't know if he's a very much I don't know for sure you
05:16:56
Carlydon't see yourself dating it isn't your boyfriend no my boyfriend is not aist he's never no my boyfriend likes classic
05:17:06
Carlybodybuilding not heart somewhere on his computer where like when he's not with you he's like playing TZ don't don't you're giving me nightmares but yeah no but not because
05:17:18
Brian Atlasof the World of Warcraft the gaming would be cool it's the ziz disciple thing Michael confirm or deny are you ziz disciple what about you do you go for him would you date them um wait yeah
05:17:29
Brian Atlasno I'd pass both ways because of the World of Warcraft thing no not at all I love Gamers it's just not your type yeah I just not my type sorry I'm sorry Michael
05:17:40
Lauren Rosesdude I'm sorry bro um I I feel like he's an attractive guy I feel like I oh sorry I feel like he's an attractive guy um I I don't know if our our personalities would Clash I guess I well you haven't met them yeah exactly exactly I think I
05:17:53
Lauren Rosesthink just having to meet seeing more than a picture I think it would be like a video or something like okay uh I don't think the the World of Warcraft like being like a super high rank if he was like super high ranked in the
05:18:04
Lauren Rosesmilitary I'd be like okay like okay the military but I I think world of warcraft's cool like I think I it's cool
05:18:14
Carlysure I completely second what Carly W said come really it's just why would we I mean it's obviously that we would have the same opinion in the like he seems cool and a
05:18:27
Carlylot of people do like that kind of content but I think personally the subgroup of Fitness that we're in it's a little bit cringe not that I'm one to
05:18:38
Carlyspeak on that I have you guys are myself no the whole Z disciple thing I think it's really outplayed like it's it was a trend for a while it's very like 14-year-old boy wants to do sarms like
05:18:50
Brian Atlasyeah I don't I don't know how to explain it is he is he not like ripped enough for you he's don't get me wrong he has a very nice physique yeah he does but like you said you like really tall like buff
05:19:01
Brian Atlasguys right yeah is he's not big enough is that right like what's that I mean I I can't see how tall he is who's that guy who like all the girls are [ __ ] sing over the like really bmsw worth
05:19:13
Carlybums worth four times Chris Bumstead yeah no I don't is that more your like physique type well he's Mr Olympia that's he's
05:19:24
Carlylike number one in the world yeah that's insane that's like looking at like a superhero and being like wait question would you break up with your current boyfriend from Chris no uhuh uh my
05:19:34
Carlycurrent boyfriend is 250 lb lean and bench is like 550 I'm not okay so he's he's a large man yeah I'm definitely not lacking the the question or you were saying earlier about like the hotel like
05:19:46
Lauren Rosesyou know how the guy will look at the the screen and be like hey if we need to evacuate I think something like that sexy if if he does stuff like that in general I think that's sexy because I like dudes that like are always thinking like they're looking around and they're
05:19:59
Lauren Roseslike something's off like I think it's I think that's hot like they're really aware because I'm not and like you said with attraction I like that I'm like yeah
05:20:10
Carlywhat wait so Chris Bumstead is like oh oh um who do you think like in the industry has your ideal physique Bradley Martin no who in the industry has the ideal man physique of what I would for
05:20:22
Arielwhat you would think is attractive leard Deca I'm not I'm not going to I'm not going to name drop I just I guess it's
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Ariela as much as I don't hate to admit it but [Music] I don't know I don't want like I don't want to offend anyone but I think
05:20:44
Arieldefinitely the hyp part is more important than how big you are because I've tried it out I've tried out like bigger guys who are shorter it's just like oh you're good most of the time it
05:20:57
Arielends up being an insecurity and that's the part that is unattractive
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Arielwhen go ahead is an insecurity and so that's why I just can't do like I like when a guy is
05:21:15
Carlytall but he doesn't he doesn't have to be as big as seum that's kind of ridiculous I think it's also I don't know if it's necessarily fair but I think it's more likely for the two of us
05:21:27
Lauren Rosesto have unrealistic physique expectations because we're constantly around like Pro body builders yeah I feel the same way do you guys like to be so you know sometimes in the same industry like let's say if someone told
05:21:39
Lauren Rosesme oh um would you date a porn star I would say no I would say no because I like the opposite and would you say like you want to be the bodybuilder in the relationship you want to you like that
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Arielbecause I like like I said earlier it does make me feel a little bit masculine and I need someone who's going to drown out that masculinity and who's going to be just I think definitely like if there's a spectrum we're definitely way
05:22:03
Arielfarther on the masculine side you need somebody to outweigh that I mean I feel like you you were also asking if we would be with someone in our industry in the industry uhhuh there's a lot of people who are fit and big outside of
05:22:15
Arielthe industry I honestly don't have a preference of me dating someone who's in the industry or not in the industry I would prefer a private relationship if I had one and so that would be hard if I dat to someone in the fitness industry
05:22:27
Lauren Rosesbut it's not impossible yeah it it's so strange to me like my brain like I don't know why I can't wrap around it but if someone's like yeah do you want a date a porn star I'd be like no I don't at all
05:22:36
Backgroundlike I have no idea why I can't explain it mhm that makes a lot of sense a male jigo a no I I I don't know why though I can't like I can explain everything else
05:22:47
Arielbut I can't explain why I wouldn't want do that maybe you just want to like have your career for yourself you know it's like you have your job and then you kind of come home to him and you don't have
05:22:57
Lauren Rosesto talk about like work you know something different like I'm like what happened in your day that was I will say
05:23:04
Brian Atlasoh I'm so sorry I had one I'll Circle you in here would you ever pay a man for oh for
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Lauren Rosesthat just wouldn't you scoot your chair in if you can just do quietly um ye so
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Lauren Rosesum there is a sex Shaman in um in India that um he does he does some sort
05:23:33
Lauren Roseshe does some sort of um it's like a training like a training I would pay for that and I believe that that's involved but if it was involving the sex Shaman
05:23:44
Morganyeah okay yeah that would that would be would you date would you date Sony um he was attractive so if he's like cool and if I was like single which I'm obviously not then yeah I think he's attractive
05:23:56
Emilyand buff I'm definitely like fit guys that are like in the fitness too yeah I mean he's attractive but other than that I don't know anything about him so wa is there a video of him like his person no we're talking about that guy we were
05:24:07
Brian Atlasjust like don't know uh just the photos probs not probs not probs not okay all right we're going to wrap up uh let's see here
05:24:20
Emilyanyone final thoughts before we wrap speak now forever hold your peace feminism has absolutely plagued American women there we go and we need to do something to fix it and obviously it's
05:24:32
Emilyscientific that us women make connections with men and Body Count does matter and anyone who says it doesn't matter is lying hell yeah I feel like
05:24:43
Lauren RosesI'm so happy that I've got to be on this podcast and so nice to meet all you guys and have like a normal talk that was cool it was a fun time for sure yeah yeah it was awesome I had a good time
05:24:53
Brian Atlastoo I'm just so tired guys I I have two hours of sleep in me right now so yeah good times it was great good times okay uh did you have any more on the feminist stuff you said you're
05:25:06
Lauren Rosesfeminist though right don't you don't you object to what she just said I can say a lot of things on the feminist stuff well would the fem the feminists uh that was one I asked earlier you said there's two types and I guess some feminists would disagree that I was a feminist because see I wouldn't even
05:25:20
Emilyclassify myself as a feminist at all I mean yeah I'm proom I love you know being proman but the feminist movement in the modern day and age nowadays has been completely distorted to not be a proman even it's
05:25:32
Emilylike anti at all it's it's anti-women it's anti- traditionalism it's anti- motherhood honestly I mean they're completely hustle culture and that I mean they're we haven't talked about
05:25:44
Emilyabortion but they're prolegal genocide and like anti- motherhood in today's day and age they want women to stay in the corporate world they want you to be a slave to your corporation they want
05:25:56
Emilywomen to get married later and later and the feminist movement has been the downfall I think of women in especially the past two decades MH um well I'll just say if if it if I can say this um
05:26:09
Morganthat I don't think everything is so black and white like that um like I think there are women who do enjoy casual sex and who do enjoy promiscuity to an extent and things like that and I
05:26:21
Morgandon't think that they have to be judged or looked down on for that because that's just the reality that not everybody's the same and that life in general isn't black and white so sure it's not black and white but I also
05:26:33
Emilythink that sure if women want to say they enjoy casual sex and enjoy promiscuity then they have to also admit the harm that they're doing to themselves as well for in the long
05:26:44
MorganR um yeah I mean I'm in a super happy relationship and I have more bodies than some of the people here for sure um sure and yeah I mean honestly I think Matt
05:26:56
Morganand I are probably the most happy and the most in love that we've ever been with anyone else ever so it's good exactly word word uh and
05:27:08
Brian Atlasthen I think the last thing I would just say on that is uh I don't know there there's definitely like it's interesting because I mean I I think even you said you think hookup
05:27:18
Brian Atlasculture is a bad thing well casual sex is sort of the antithesis of uh like how can you be against hookup
05:27:29
Carly (nursing)culture but for casual sex I just said that people shouldn't be judged for their body for their body count I didn't say that I was Pro against well actually I you did you said you're against hookup
05:27:41
Carly (nursing)culture I am against hookup culture I think it's like bad for women and men I'm so sorry guys I'm tired that's fine but um anyways yeah uh yeah I I all I said is that I don't think women or men should be judged for their body count
05:27:53
Carly (nursing)and I think it doesn't matter but I am against hookup culture unfortunately I couldn't get into that cuz I felt like I was you know like had to explain myself a lot about the body count stuff but I just I kind of want I I want to dead the
05:28:06
Brian Atlasissue because but I guess the whole thing about like oh we shouldn't judge people that engage in casual sex but also hook up culture bad I don't think
05:28:16
Brian Atlasyou can have both like if we if there's absolutely zero shame associated with just engaging in said hookup culture AKA
05:28:27
Brian Atlashaving casual sex then how do you combat hookup culture or do we just say well it's a bad thing but I guess we just
05:28:37
Brian Atlaskeep the status quo status quo going and it is what it is MH you know
05:28:47
Brian Atlaslike um I don't think like it's kind of they're they're conflicting to say hookup culture is bad but to also say well we shouldn't shame people that have
05:28:58
Brian Atlascasual sex and engage in Hook like I don't think those two thoughts can coexist really you either you either uh
05:29:08
Brian Atlassay casual sex is bad hookup culture like the the two are opposed I mean I just feel
05:29:17
Carly (nursing)like okay I'm I'm running on like no juice here um that's what okay yeah I know okay I'm so sorry um whatever I here I'm just going to wrap up unless yeah no just yeah please wrap
05:29:30
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