Single Mom w/ Neck Tattoo Brings NOTHING To The Table?! | Dating Talk #90

Date: 2023-08-07

Duration: 3h 11m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJenna Fox (DT90)>

CCamila (DT90)>

CCaitlyn (DT90)>

CCamila 2 (DT90)>

KKarissa (DT90)>

MMadison (DT94)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_03Camila(guest)

SPEAKER_04Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_05Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_09Karissa(guest)

SPEAKER_10Linda(guest)

SPEAKER_12Keep (Kiki)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna Fox(guest)

SPEAKER_14Camila (2)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKarissa announces she is a born-again virgin and has been celibate for ~4 years, waiting for marriage with no intention of backing down.

“I am currently single I have been single for 9 years... I am not sexually active and I do not intend to be and I'm ultimately going to be waiting for my husband”

QuoteKarissa reveals her celibacy was broken once in Australia under social pressure — a "very weak moment in my faith." One-night stand she partially consented to; she takes full responsibility.

“he kept asking... I said no that's for my husband... I had a weak moment my faith was not strong at that point in time”

QuoteJenna Fox reveals she has performed in a 15-man blowbang (her largest group scene) and a 156-girl all-female orgy (participated twice).

“I've blown 15 guys nice all right in one sitting... I've been on a 156 girl orgy before”

QuoteKarissa challenges Brian on body count hypocrisy: men in red pill space with 200+ body counts expecting virgin women is hypocritical. Brian clarifies the distinction between preference and behavioral expectation.

“any man that has like over 50 over 100 over 250... inside the red pill space for you to say that... I just I don't understand it why would you not have that same expectation of yourself”

ControversyViewer TTS calls out Linda as "the single woman who has a non-liveable income and a child" working as a life/dating coach. Linda declines to respond in detail; Brian confirms she has a son.

“the single woman who has a non livean and a child is a life/ dating coach do you have a response... I have a kid do you have a response to that”

QuoteCamila 2's ex "Cody" sends a $99 TTS claiming they broke up because she wanted to start OnlyFans. Camila corrects live on stream: they broke up in sophomore year of high school because Cody wanted to sleep with guys, and his sex tape leaked in high school.

“this question is for Camila this is your ex Cody it's embarrassing that we had to break up because you wanted to start an on live van... Cody we broke up my sophomore year of high school because you wanted to sleep with guys your sex tape actually got leaked in high school”

ControversyLinda makes extended argument that red pill community is hypocritical: shames women for choosing wrong men AND for having high standards simultaneously. Invokes Andrew Tate leaked messages. Brian pushes back and tries to land the plane; audience TTS sides with Brian. Linda warns of wounded masculine energy masking as integrity.

“there are a lot of men in these communities who shame and judge women for choosing the wrong men but then on the flip side they shame and judge women for having too high standards”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens from Santa Barbara, CA. Technical difficulties with stream lag early on. Guests introduce themselves: Keep/Kiki (23, model/OF/acting, Hawaii), Linda (36, mindset coach/MFT student, single mom), Jenna Fox (27, porn actress), Camila (21, OF, in relationship), Caitlyn (OF, talking stage), Karissa (21, nursing student, born-again virgin), Camila 2 (OF, single), Kira (28, accounting manager), Madison (18, SBCC student/bar host/Whatever Podcast).

Relationship Status & Dating History

Brian surveys current relationship status and dating history. Keep: single 3 years, 4yr and 3yr past relationships, paid ex's rent. Linda: single 3 years, coach, single mom. Jenna Fox: single since 2018. Camila: in 2-year relationship. Caitlyn: talking-stage (1 month, no sex yet). Karissa: 9 years single, born-again virgin. Madison: in 11-month relationship. Discussion of situationships, talking stages, and honesty in dating intentions.

OnlyFans & Adult Content Industry

Multiple guests do OnlyFans. Discussion of income levels (six figures mentioned, not all disclose). Content types: Keep does solo and one BG with ex; Caitlyn does solo; Camila 2 does solo, GG, and full BG; Jenna Fox is a professional porn actress (industry body count ~50). Whether exes minded the content. Plans to retire before marriage/kids. Running "is it pink" TikTok bit from Caitlyn's street interview content. Madison notes Wiki Feet entry. Jenna describes largest scenes: 15-man blowbang and 156-girl all-female orgy.

Sexual Timing & How Long to Wait

Panel discusses how long to wait before having sex. Keep: wants to start as friends, wait 1-2 months minimum. Linda: advises clients not to have sex too early; no blanket time frame; encourages at least 2-3 months to commitment. Jenna Fox: whenever the connection feels right. Karissa: until marriage (no oral/anal/penetration before wedding). Caitlyn: when tension is undeniable, ~1-2 months. Madison: no time frame, connection-based. Discussion of soaking (Mormon sex practice), one night stands, and whether waiting changes relationship outcomes.

Masculine/Feminine Energy & Relationship Dynamics

Linda presents framework of masculine/feminine energy polarity in relationships. Advocates for 60-70% feminine energy in herself seeking 60-70% masculine energy partner. Argues initiating contact as a woman tends to attract men in unbalanced feminine energy. Kira asks if shyness equals femininity. Brian questions whether this is practical. Panel discusses who should approach/initiate, with some women having approached men. Discussion of sugar mama dynamic from Keep's past.

What Do You Bring To The Table

Brian asks each guest what they bring to a relationship. Linda objects to the framing as inherently power-imbalanced. Extended debate on whether asking this question signals a power dynamic or is simply practical. Brian argues Linda's avoidance of the question implies she brings nothing. Linda distinguishes between values/emotional bring vs surface metrics. Keep: emotional support, financial independence. Others: loyalty, consistency, physical attributes. Brian notes the irony of women valuing men who "bring things to the table" while objecting to being asked.

Body Count & Sexual History

Round-table body count disclosure. Keep: ~5. Linda: declined. Jenna Fox: 2 personal, ~50 industry. Caitlyn: ~8. Karissa: 1 (technically). Camila 2: 9 men, 3 women. Kira: 0. Madison: 4. Brian: declines. Panel debates whether body count matters to men and women. Brian argues high body count is suboptimal for long-term partnership. Linda argues discernment and healing are more important than number. Karissa argues men should be held to same standard they demand of women.

Hookup Culture, Men vs Women, & Dating App Dynamics

Brian argues a larger proportion of women participate in hookup culture than men because women have easier access to casual sex. Cites dating app data (women matching with small percentage of men). Linda and others push back arguing access does not equal behavior. Discussion of 1% of highly attractive men sleeping with disproportionate number of women. Panel debates whether this constitutes a double standard. Brian distinguishes between preference and expectation regarding body count.

Final Discussion & Closing

Discussion of whether women support other women's toxic behavior. Karissa and Camila 1 advocate holding friends accountable. Madison agrees good friendship includes confrontation when wrong. Linda final thoughts: dating pools get smaller as discernment grows — see this as positive, not scarcity. Karissa final thoughts: men who submit to God become good leaders; waiting culture makes filtering easier. Brian's closing comment: men must carry conversations and relationships. Show wraps due to time.

Red Pill Community, Andrew Tate, & Hypocrisy Debate

Linda critiques red pill community for simultaneously judging women for choosing wrong men AND for having high standards. Notes contradiction between Andrew Tate's messaging and leaked behavior. Brian defends "red pill" as simply meaning accurate view of reality. Linda argues many red pill adherents use it to shame women rather than seek genuine healing. Brian: red pill = truth. Linda: red pill community is often wounded men feeding each other superficial validation. Brian asks Linda for 3 things red pill gets wrong; she cites Rolo Tomassi's social proof argument about men with many women being attractive (contradicted by evolutionary research).

Transcript

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LindaI'm not comfortable doing it I'm just not going to because you have no idea what are they single are they married are they taken are they really truly interested in anything more than sex um

Brian Atlasall those things you just listed are things that men would face too in a scenario where they would approach yes of course yeah okay yeah well that's not a very good reason to not approach then yeah I think women should be a little

Lindabit more cautious in general and this is a blanket statement because we have all gender spectrums we have all sexualities but just for sake and ease of

Lindaconversation as far as straight uh I'm going to just use straight male female example we can you know switch it up a little bit more but I just I feel like a lot of women have

Lindabeen in a situation like her and I have been in the past too where you you're with a guy and it may start out initially okay and a little the reciprocity is there but over time you get more in your masculine energy and he

Lindagets more in his feminine energy and he's sling this is just her example was a little bit a good extreme example of sloughing off on the bills or maybe he's playing video games or maybe he wants you to be the bread winner and there's

Lindanothing wrong with the roles being reversed but I think in general it's best if you are wanting a man who

Lindais a bit more in his masculine energy of Provider protector initiator then I think it's best to just start out from day one typically relationships uh end

Lindahow they start so if you're the initiator it often times is with a man who's more in his unbalanced feminine energy there's nothing wrong with that there are those

Lindasituations that are reality but I just don't think that they are the norm kind of depends on what you're looking for but because I speak spoken to so many women and they're wanting more of that

Lindaman to be in his core masculine energy which does not mean like he's hugely in his masculine energy and you have to be submissive and just do whatever he says it's more of a balance um maybe I know

Lindathis may sound a bit robotic but like just for sake of explaining it oh like I would consider myself 60 70% more in my feminine energy and I'm

Lindalooking for somebody who is 60 70% more in their masculine energy because I think over the long term that can go the distance and not in a codependent way where the woman is extremely in her

Lindafeminine energy and the man is extremely in his masculine energy or vice versa and there's dynamics that play and it's not a robotic like 50/50 either so that's just me it's just what I ADV you

Camila (2)had something ahead yeah so would you call like a man who's just shy feminine because that's not in his natural like it's just not in his personality to initiate some like I just

Camila (2)feel like some men are just a little bit more you know conservative and they just keep to themselves but I don't feel like that makes them feminine and I feel like you know what I mean that's just my question yeah I don't have I really just stray hugely away from blanket

Lindastatements um masculine isn't just like oh masculine and like feminine is just dainty either it's not really quiet um if he's a bit more hesitant to initiate

Lindayou could say he either is it's all dependent he either is essentially meant to match with a woman who is more comfortable and wants to stay more in her masculine energy and is

Lindajust more of that dominant role or maybe more of a 50/50 type of relationship which in my personal opinion is rare um

Lindaand so no I I wouldn't like just I wouldn't shame him or like even say that he's necessarily feminine no but if he is

Lindalooking to be in his masculine energy more so and have a partner that is a bit more in her feminine energy then it's I mean that's something that has to grow and evolve with than him I would

Brian Atlassay thank you thank you thank you okay um so to bring it back here

Brian Atlasuh we were talking about the what was it the freaking wait hold on a lot of things oh

Brian Atlasmeeting someone in public blah blah blah okay um what you were saying that you haven't encountered like any guys at all who've had any issue with you doing

Keep (Kiki)adult content no I haven't had a single one I think one of my um exes he didn't have any problem with me doing content he just didn't want me to film with other guys or film explicit with other girls and I respected that and didn't do

Keep (Kiki)it when I was with him and then I dated someone who was like do whatever you want I still didn't want to film with other guys but I would do things with girls and he was like I know you're not attracted to girls in that way so do your thing and I there's definitely I

Brian Atlasthink a subset of men that when it comes to Shorter term relationships or even like a relation like long-term relationship um they're okay with it but and maybe you some of you don't want this but I've definitely heard from a

Brian Atlaslot of men that when it comes to like marriage having kids that's when the problem really manifests itself you guys are all very attractive I'm sure you have no problem finding men to have

Keep (Kiki)sleep with or even have relationships with but I went longterm I went longterm and I also plan to hopefully retire before I have kids and get married and by that time I won't be doing this

Keep (Kiki)anymore and I'll be able to um have passive income from whether it's like houses or real estate or something that I can invest in so I don't have to do this forever but right now I enjoy what I'm doing it's taking me beautiful

Keep (Kiki)places I'm seeing parts of the country I've never seen before I'm supporting family I'm supporting myself and supporting the future that I plan to have sure I mean everyone I've been with

Brian Atlashas seen it that way yeah and I'm sure it's been very financially rewarding and don't shoot the messenger here but um there's definitely a pretty substantial subset of men that when it comes to

Brian Atlaslong-term relationships marriage and having kids like it's kind of a suboptimal choice to pick someone who has their Nudes on the internet maybe rephrase the question I

Brian Atlasdon't really or the statement it was a statement and look you're still like there's a lot of ss out there that are going to be fine with it but it's it's more of a it's more of a

Camila (2)like you in my head it's like you can't bake your cake and eat it too like I know what I signed up for I'm not delusional I'm not going to sit here and be like oh I can't wait to find the man like it is what it is I've come to terms if I find somebody I do if I don't I

Camila (2)don't like I'm not going to sit here like I could you know people plan for 10 years down the road I want to get married the way pick a fence the whole nine I couldn't be I might not be here like it doesn't matter you live day by day you do day by day

Camila (2)you do the best you can every day and if that means in 5 years I have a man I have a man if it doesn't then it simply doesn't like it's not like I'm going to dwell on the fact that I oh I don't have a boyfriend like it just

Caitlyndoesn't matter and I to add to that I very much believe that wherever I'm going to end up wherever I'm supposed to end up whether that's with somebody whether it's not I'm going to end up

Caitlynthere by default there's nothing I can do to not get myself there and especially with my goals that I have okay found it let's do a couple super chats here unless anyone has any

Brian Atlasadditional things to add we have puffy Vegas here hey thank you man I tried to use TTS I couldn't get to work but to the girl in the Hat I never s with a woman who I know was maryg girlfriend I've turned down 40 plus women for that

Madisonreason is this to you Madison yeah because last stream I said something um I think I was just like every he he said something saying that he he he gets a

TTS Readerlot of like women with h hold on bunker donated $11 the chest Tut two girl is talking pure pseudo science sounds like a quack

TTS Readertherapist hey Brian you Canadian you sound too smart to be American also get one of the Red Scare girls IE Das your

Brian Atlasnecr over on the Pod I have no who a Red Scare girl who the [ __ ] is that guy I have no idea who those girls are uh Red Scare girls is that like a communist

TTS Readerthing or something um I'm not Canadian Bell girl $222 donated $99 oh hey wonderful panel

TTS ReaderBrian everyone lovely I have a question for the panel do you believe in love at first sight or must it be a friend very curious I think that's Lauren hey Lauren

Brian Atlasthank you very much um so to Archie Bunker no I'm not Canadian um Canada's kind of an L not going to lie I feel

Keep (Kiki)like we should Annex Canada but um no offense thanks somebody are you Canadian oh yeah we should definitely Annex

Brian AtlasCanada everyone's from Canada great just [ __ ] um but uh and Bordello girl I'm pretty sure that's Lauren thank you Lauren get to see in the chat um do you

Keep (Kiki)believe in love at first sight so we'll do that real quick go around I wish um I don't really think so just cuz people see it's like judging a book by its cover so you see something you might be

Keep (Kiki)super into it or like hormones or whatever is going on in your body might oh I'm in love with this person and then you can get you can hear them talk and be like never mind you know I don't

Lindathink so that'd be ideal it' be amazing but um is it possible sure is it extremely unlikely yes I think most the time when people explain love at first sight they're just going based off of

Jenna Foxphysical attraction or some kind of chemistry or something along those lines does it have to be romantic I mean yeah it's love so yeah cuz I

Jenna Foxbelieve I found my my person my love but he's literally my best friend so that's what I'm asking like does it have to be like sexual I guess in a way I guess

Jenna Foxthere's different types of he's L my soul we're just friends we've been friends since like grade school but he's like my soulmate my other half that's not love a different type of Love why don't

Jenna Foxyou marry him then cuz he's gay and she is that's definitely not love that mean it's my love like I will take a bullet for him like I love him yeah but in a platonic way yeah but most people don't

Brian Atlasfind that either wait it was love at first sight no literally he's my other half but he's gay did you wait hold on I believe that to True Love at First s with a gay man let me just parse that

Brian Atlasfor a second um so at first were you romantically interested and then you found out he was gay and you're were like shs I knew he was gay before he knew was gay but like you knew he hold

Jenna Foxon hold on he you knew he was gay before he knew he was gay yeah when did you get I just we just knew it it's not just like me his family knew it we knew it before he could like call himself out

Jenna Foxand be like yes I'm gay he was in denial not denial he just never put a label on it but he would never say he was gay but we knew he was gay and then later came

Brian Atlasout it's like yeah I like men so okay um a uh yeah okay what about you no I don't believe in love it for a second

Kirasure what about you not even in Trader Joe's not even um no not

Karissareally I think it's possible but not necessarily likely I think that love comes softly often times all right there

Brian Atlasyou have it Lauren thank you for the TTS uh oh we have uh fed oh okay okay uh girls you should

Brian Atlasnever fly out for a guy just a single AF Argentinian 500 thank you thank you uh we have puffy Vegas these o girls are so full of it I can't even believe I've

Jenna Foxknown so many o and they all put it out in 20 minutes I mean listen they crazy to say put it out in 20 minutes like [ __ ] in that's so not I take their word

Keep (Kiki)I true I believe him puffy Vegas put yourself in that position then nobody single one of my friends who does o that would ever put out in 20 minutes no they might flirt with someone but they won't

Brian Atlastake them to bed afterwards here's the thing though if you did if anyone here at the table did [ __ ] someone like within 20 minutes would you admit to it like would you admit to it like

Brian Atlascharacter development people lie that whole thing lying it's a thing kind of it it is a thing but yeah people lie you know about all sorts of things 20 minutes is crazy to say have you ever

Brian Atlaswait hold on you said your ex-boyfriend who you were financially supporting in a $5,000 a month apartment was in a fraternity I guarantee you him and his fraternity Bros were [ __ ] chicks

Keep (Kiki)within 20 minutes yeah probably but no no off he said specifically off girls none of those girls were off girls they were college girls and there's college girls put out to whatever I think there's so many different types of

Keep (Kiki)people everywh maybe there are some o girls who do that but not a single one of my off friends would do that I'm a girl and I don't do do it so like genuinely I don't know that's just not a thing my friends will go out and party

Keep (Kiki)and they'll flirt all night and then they'll just go home alone and they won't go home with the guys that are begging them to go home yeah and I know that cuz I'm sitting in the bathtub waiting for them to get back from the club so hold on none of you here or

Caitlynmaybe you specifically have have ever known a girl who's had a one night stand come on of course I said that but it's when you're talking

Camila (2)specifically group of people of people specifically girls I do know o girls I do know I definitely know no but that's with anything you don't categorize anything at all but

Keep (Kiki)definitely I know people who have in like the first 20 seconds 20 minutes not one night stand one night stand can be hung out them all night 20 minutes and also you said earlier do we know have we

Keep (Kiki)ever done a one night stand and then you just said we we didn't know anyone we know people who've done them but we I don't know who says they did or not but you know what I mean I know people who have done it I have some friends and

Brian Atlasthey can do what they want but it's not me there you have it we have Stiffler here ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 we'll go around the table starting with you go ahead keep

Keep (Kiki)three is that like a troll answer or no I don't want to say hi and then get roasted and I don't want to say low well say how about say the truth no this is a little game I see the game that people play

Madisonthese boys love to say what do you think you are she wishes she was a 10 she wishes she was a nine okay so you do think you're a 10 no I didn't say I was a 10 I got self-conscious issues you just don't take it personally what they

Jenna Foxsay yeah I know but I also I think you're a 10 you think I'm a 10 I think you're a 10 thank you I think you're a

Brian Atlas10 too kiss what the [ __ ] um what so do you want to just instead of a troll answer do you want to actually I'll say

Keep (Kiki)five or six is that your final answer yeah I think there's so many more beautiful women in the world and okay I think I'm okay it's

Brian Atlasa game it's a tired narrative it's just it really isn't it is it is your own self assess your own self assessment of your physical attractiveness is quite crucial when it comes to dating if you think you're hot [ __ ] if you think

Brian Atlasyou're a town whether you're a guy or a girl this happens more so to men but you're going to face plant into reality if you think you're hot [ __ ] and you're

Lindanot reality is going to come so let face plant let people face plant what do you mean it's life life teaches you yeah but why be delusional it's a tired you don't have to be D it

Lindais tired you ask every show you don't ask about emotional availability or maturity you know you don't mix it up at all it's just it's the same thing when guys ask what do you bring the to the

Lindatable it's just and even guys who know game tell will tell you this they will tell you this it's not coming from a man or straight man but men who know game know that it's essentially a setup and

Lindathey're placing themselves above you and you below and maybe I'm not saying all men that ask that question know that or are aware of that but a lot of them are that's where it started it's it's a power struggle it's a power we're

Keep (Kiki)talking about dating so it is kind of relevant to to dating what if it changes cuz sometimes I'm like oh my gosh I feel like a 10 today I'm super confident love myself three I look like a troll feel

Lindalike a troll I feel like it changes and fluctuates too it's just predictable you you say something low okay you're humble you say something high they roast you it's it just seems pointless and tired

Lindaso it's really not pointless yeah I don't I don't give much energy to things that I don't think have much value so I'm not going to so you you think well raing looks I don't think really has

Brian Atlasmuch value do do you think looks is an important is not an important factor when it comes to dating for most people to an extent it is yes

Lindabut we don't need to play this game of like it just feels so it's just so juvenile it really is how is it juvenile would you date a guy who's shorter than

Brian Atlasyou no that's quite literally a measurement I'm 5T tall that's a man could still be shorter than you and I assume you have a a preference for tall the taller the better I would imagine oh

Brian Atlasno not necessarily um taller than me would be great but taller than me taller than me would be taller than you yes okay so you if you had a guy who 51 next to a guy who's 6

Lindafeet all things being equal which do you pick if everything was absolutely equal sure they're literally the exact same person but a height difference was naturally the taller person okay so

Lindaheight matters which is quite literally a measurement a numerical measurement I've only dated short Kings that's I'm not saying that looks don't matter I don't mean to they just

TTS Readergravitate across the board like looks in general matter to most people you can get into a relation donated $100 girls you are all pretty sure but

Brian Atlasthe only one there who is attend is Maddy especially as she is sitting in the correct Place D yo swordless thank you man very much appreciated that's our homie from uh

Brian Atlasfrom uh overseas good to see in the chat man thank you very much appreciate it um go ahead I I don't give energy to things I don't think are important like a a

Lindascale a rating scale but so you were saying that looks aren't that important looks are to an extent for most people important in dating but delegating it

Lindainto this scale and asking it over and over it's just it's not it's not helpful it's super helpful it's actually very very helpful and I can explain it to you but I do like to give people an

Brian Atlasopportunity to answer before I get into it but it's harmful helpful it's what it's not helpful to know how you're where you land in the sexual or dating Marketplace when it comes to your

Brian Atlasphysical appearance yes I don't you think in order to have a fair assessment of the type of guide that you can get you need to have an accurate self assessment of the type of woman you are when it comes

Lindato your looks and to your personality sure but it's not just looks and you guys really only do the Scale based on looks based on emotional uh availability and maturity and

Lindamentality your daily life whether you have integrity or not and the same old tired question is about looks it's just like if you this is what I the isue

Lindatowards you a little bit the issue here is that um you it's a dating podcast correct but

Lindayou're not really going any deeper than surface level on so many of these topics de so surface level well speaking of surface level um well hold on first off I would just say to something

Brian Atlasthat you'd said earlier looks is I would say the one of the ultimate things that matters when it comes to dating if you don't have physical attractiveness nothing gets off the ground so looks is incredibly important but so you're

Brian Atlassaying that this question is perhaps superficial is that correct I'll get to you in a sec go ahead yeah it's just can you speak straight into the mic please yes it's superficial and you said it's the

Lindaconversations we have on the show is very surface level we need to be deeper to go deeper I think if you're if you're looking for real change and not just entertainment and hits of entertainment

Lindaand feeding people's egos then you're just giving the same old tired narrative people are readying each other's looks you're not really helping

Lindapeople at large find a partner that is going to be solid for them when you're just reiterating the same narrative on physical attractiveness what is the

Lindascale it's the same question when men ask what do you bring to the table just I mean object to the question of men asking I do not it's already I'm not interested if you're asking me that's a

Lindapretty reasonable question I understand from like a more like superficial level what they're saying like is this connection going to be reciprocal but

Lindaover time men have started to ask this question to essentially have the woman already like subservient and just essentially expl

Lindawhat she has to offer like it's instead of getting to know somebody and not like drilling them

Lindawith an unequal like power Dynamic unequal power Dynamic yes by asking what do you mean what do you bring to the table it's already like this expectation

Lindais that a common you guys get ask that question you get a lot I'm not saying you don't get it a lot especially now since it's been regurgitated but since it's been regurgitated over and over on a lot of these shows of course you're well are you hold on this question that you're

Brian Atlasreferring to what do you bring to the table are you talking within the context you're like oneon-one on a date with a guy because we are on a dating panel here I'm not on a date with any of you so we are having like we can have meta conversations like this but right when

Brian Atlasyou're on a date like if somebody were to ask okay we're not on a date right now we're on a dating panel where we're talking about dating related things so yeah no I understand it's within I I really had no intention of asking what you bring to the table but perhaps it's

Lindaa good question I ought to ask but we can bring it back to the rating thing so yeah I'm just talking about J dating in general I'm not talking about you asking me specifically obviously um I

Lindajust that's an immediate red flag I already know that he's like somewhat programmed by red pill rhetoric and so it's just I'm not interested because typically relationships end how they

Brian Atlasbegin and that's just it's a red flag ladies advice a red flag a guy need not even be red pill ask such a question wait what's a a guy like a normal dude

Brian Atlaswho's never even heard about red pill hold on a a guy who's not even heard about red pill could ask somebody so like what do you bring to the table it it would be extremely rare

Lindabefore any of this rhetoric was spread it's it's not common but don't you expect when you're on a day and you're interested in a man that he has

Karissasomething that he has to bring to the table don't you expect him to bring something to the table so therefore don't you think that there should be some kind of

Karissaequal um like it's fair for him as well 100% yeah like he has things that he wants and he has things that he thinks you know like are good for his life and

Karissasome kind of woman that he's looking for so therefore isn't it a fair question to Simply say well you know you can phrase it however you want maybe it's not what do

Karissayou bring to the table but maybe it's what kind of woman are you what what are you how how are you going to nurture me how are you going to nurture our kids like I think there's a lot of things

Karissathat a woman can bring to the table and therefore we should we should know that and we should be able to say that when we're on a date what do you think about

Lindathat yeah I don't ju um I'm not like saying that this is necessarily like the worst thing ever when you're coming at it from a more

Lindabalanced place but specifically this community the and I get it you want reciprocity you want equal give and take but to when men ask this question I it's

TTS Readeralready the little thread that essentially $100 that they're into the reason why men ask what women bring to the table is because society

TTS Readerand women place a burden of performance on men to produce but women somehow believe she gets a free ride off of a man's hard work well put Alvin Sam that was lovely

Lindacontinue with your point go ahead um nobody's assuming that they get a free ride off of a man's hard work it's about reciprocity this specific question and I could say it over and over again and it's you've already explained it let's

Brian Atlasgo back to the 1 to 10 rating thing so you okay you object to the 1 to 10 question because it's surface level it's inauthentic yes do you believe it's

Brian Atlasrepetitive do you believe authenticity is important yes hugely okay well um do you think representing yourself realistically is important yes absolutely well I mean I noticed on your

Brian AtlasInstagram almost every single photo of you has a face filter on it do you think that's inauthentic to be misrepresenting your physical appearance by using a face filter I'm

Lindanot misrepresenting when it tells you that there's a face filter being used you it it usually doesn't tell you if there's if somebody were to asked do you use a face filter yeah but it's why why

Lindaaren't you comfortable in your authentic self there are a lot of videos and photos where I have no face filters okay but most of them you're using a face filter why aren't you just comfortable being your authentic self I am

Lindacomfortable being my authentic doesn't mean that I can't use a filter why do you feel the need then to I don't need to use a filter are you on any dating apps yes on the dating apps do you post

Lindaany photos which have you in a phase filter um or is it completely auth most of them are professional photos so they're authentic there's no like

LindaInstagram filter some of them yeah isn't that inauthentic to misrepresent your physical

Lindaappearance to an extent yes do I look shockingly completely different than I do on my Instagram I guess you guys could go tell me um but it's the same

Lindathing as like do women wear makeup yes women wear makeup most of the time it's very apparent that they're wearing makeup are they wearing heels are they falsifying their height no you can see that they're

Lindawearing heels it's a totally different thing than pretending to be somebody that you're not like you mirroring to somebody what they want mentally

Lindaemotionally and you're not actually that would you object sometimes I use occasional filters as many women and people do and as long as it's

Lindalike do what you want I don't judge or shame people but like I don't think I know that I don't look very different than I do online can you scoot your

Lindamicrophone that way just a bit just um would you object to a guy lying about his hide on a dating app I mean is it a huge discrepancy is

Lindait an inch or two is it intentional does he know that he's off or is he like I don't know maybe I'm 510 maybe I'm 5'9 he's 5'9 but puts his 6t or 61 yes

Lindathat's like a 4 in difference that's pretty big that's not like something that do you have any photos on your any of your dating apps where you're not

Lindawearing any makeup at all um yes one one yes I put one where it's just like no makeup smiling cuz I don't want them to all look well hot take here like if you're wearing a full face of makeup on the dating app you are kind of misre

Lindarepresenting your physical attractiveness men know that women wear makeup and you can tell that when women are wearing makeup most of the time it it doesn't whether men know that women

Brian Atlaswear makeup or not it doesn't change the impact that initial viscer visceral reaction to seeing an attractive

Brian Atlaswoman it doesn't like it doesn't change what the impact is having I I don't really know what you're saying I don't know how we got well I mean you're talking a lot about you're

Lindayou're accusing this question of being very surface level and inauthentic but I just I'm seeing if you're consistent in your demand for authenticity yeah I mean I'm not being inauthentic by wearing a filter

Lindaespecially when it says hey here's a filter and here are other pictures of me not having a filter and the filters that I use are so subtle anyway are they yes are they yes they are I've seen a lot of

Lindaface filters just in general and they're pretty transformative let's not even talk about there are some very transformative face filters where you look like a different

Lindaperson um or you look like the opposite sex a lot of those the fa the opposite sex ones are different but anyways like but okay so I'll I'll let the rest of the girls answer the question but I

Brian AtlasI'll kind of address why I do think it is important to have an accurate self assessment of your own physical attractiveness and you can break if you can break that down to a number then I think it's fine what about you what question your looks on a scale of 1 to

Kira10 um solid seven okay what about you yeah I'd say 7.58 i' say the same 78 like a 5.5 to

Brian Atlassix I think like a 5.88 okay so the reason I think it's important is and I've said this already

Brian Atlasin order for you to be able to get a partner that's conceivably on your level you need to have a reasonable self assessment of where you stand and I think it's the case like men aren't really getting gassed up in the same way

Brian Atlasthat women are going to get gassed up by Society by their friends oh my God you look so amazing but you're [ __ ] 400 lbs overweight some guys like that though I will say sure okay there are some guys

Keep (Kiki)who have a fetish whatever I feel like I think and it's not just fetish sometimes that's just like what they're into like um like looks wise I think a lot of there's appearance-- wise a lot of it is objective and subjective like like

Keep (Kiki)instead of looking at objectively like what you are in a scale if you're OB I could find not even just that though I could find one I could find one celebrity or one person like super attractive I'm obsessed with beautiful to me and then I can tell my friend

Brian Atlasthey're like e he's but ugly like I don't find him attractive I find this guy attrative people have types and tastes and whatnot but I mean it there is there is an objective

Keep (Kiki)standard though when it comes to Beauty yeah 100% absolutely so wait where were we there I just wanted to bring up that sometimes some people have like things for other people I know friends that are

Keep (Kiki)super hot and they will only date guys with Dad bods and like are not also super hot you know like they like more average people cuz that's just what they're attracted to that's what they would say is a 10 on their scale and

Camila (2)then they would look at you could bring in like but someone else even like like his point is like there's still a standard like there's still a reason why like you know like the percentage of people liking a specific type of person

Camila (2)is you know super uncommon than into what you would consider to be like the stereotypical beautiful woman or the stereotypical beautiful man yeah I'm not disagreeing I was just bringing up another little point but no I'm not disagree with that I agree with that I

Brian Atlasthink the primary issue is this is that if you one of the primary issues if I had to distill it down in dating is that women and both men both men and women

Brian Atlaswomen want the best man that they can get but but women will confuse sexual attraction and relationship attraction so there's plenty of guys that will sleep with you keep you along even

Brian Atlaslongterm string you along but they have AB really no intention of either committing or marrying you or ever having anything long term but guys will keep women

Brian Atlasaround for sex so and women can women can do the same yeah well wh women can shoot much higher out of their league than men can when it comes to getting

Brian Atlassex yeah so okay men will sleep with women who they would never have a relationship with mhm yeah women don't really move

Brian Atlaslike that like for in order for you to sleep with a guy let me explain in order for you to sleep with a guy he needs to at least be physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him

Brian Atlasyou don't you wouldn't sleep down like you'll you'll here's where it's different you'll sleep with a guy and if he's more attractive then you'll sleep with a guy and if you know it's just going to be casual whereas men

Brian Atlasit's the reverse men will sleep with a girl and she'll be less attractive than he is disagree 100% dis wait can say that again say that

Brian Atlasagain say that again okay men will sleep with women who they would never have a relationship with right and you don't when it comes when it comes to physical attractiveness okay so in order for a

Brian Atlaswoman to sleep with a man that man has to be at least physically attractive enough to be in a relationship with but the same is not the case for men so a

Brian Atlasman will sleep with a girl of a certain level of physical attractiveness that he will never commit to but women will project that same thing and what is that scale what do you mean like what is what

Camila (2)is like are you saying they're going to S more attractive women but never commit to an attractive woman or what do you like what's this no what I'm saying is is a guy who's a nine will welcome the easy

Brian Atlassexual access to a girl who's like a five or a six 100% but he's never going to commit to her whereas most women it's the reverse women will perhaps bend their rules when it comes to casual sex or one night stands if the guy is

Camila (2)attractive enough but it doesn't go the up other way but you said relationship yeah you're saying relationship like we won't sleep with them we'll we'll Bend we we'll Bend our you know we're more

Caitlynlikely to sleep with attractive women I mean men if we want to men um and not dat date less less according to looks that's

Brian Atlaswhat you're saying right for you to sleep with a guy he has to at least be attractive enough physically for you to be in a relationship with him but it's not the case for men not at all actually not at all that's an old way of thinking

Brian AtlasI would would it's pretty so so hold on to be clear you the the men that I mean I disagree but go ahead like I I would much like I don't want okay I don't want

Camila (2)a guy who's I mean yes physically attractive on a scale of a 10 on the standard yeah sure but I would much rather date somebody who's below that because that's just how it natur like

Camila (2)beautiful women date men who aren't as attractive that's literally known you will never you will see a woman who is a like Megan Fox dating somebody in MGK

Camila (2)like come on bro like you're telling me Megan [ __ ] Fox is going to Bro Pete Davidson are you crazy that God is crazy no 10 out of 10 is ever going to date a

Lindaman that is a 10 out of 10 Cassie got a big just to address that what was that Niki Nicki Minaj no offense

Brian Atlasto Cassie no offense to Cassie's husband this is all anecdotal anyways because C MGK I would argue hot in the Rock he's

Camila (2)tall he's tall what to you is it what to you on a on a man please please give me no no I want an example young Brad Pit I would say is like approaching a okay yeah I could agree with that approaching

Brian Atlasa MGK but mean okay Megan Fox is what in her mid she's she one she like she's a sex icon no but

Jenna Foxshe's literally on the magazine for like world like she's a very attrative woman her Adriana Lima yo yo yo she's a very attractive woman that's what I'm saying come on but she was more attractive when

Camila (2)she was 21 please name a woman please name a woman please please name a celebrity or woman who is dating a man like a woman in the that is known to be one of the most beautiful women

Brian Atlasdating a man of the same caliber wait hold on repeat the question who Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds I don't think Ryan Reynold only on also think I think is good looking men are able to make up

Brian Atlasfor their lackings in physical appearance with status personality 100% which is why i' would rather date him not a Ted 10 who has none of that but that that's almost proving my point but

Keep (Kiki)Megan Fox has a good personality and Status mic this way please but Megan Fox has a good personality and status and she's still dating lower and what does he have he has some music and pink hair

Brian Atlasand spikes I'm not privy to all the the details of the MGK and Megan Fox just examples that we were bringing up okay so wait what's the

Brian Atlaspoint that women date below date below the the average like I would much rather date somebody who's L attracted that's that's almost is that was that it almost reinforces my point the women the the

Camila (2)men that they end up in long-term relationships with are with more ends up being different with more beautiful wait what if but if you're saying like like I like I if I date somebody who's also we

Brian Atlasshouldn't use celebrities because that it's anecdotal that involves like status whatever like it's still saying like I would much okay the generally

Brian Atlasspeaking like a girl who's average could hook up very easily like just go on Tinder it's so much easier for a girl to hook up with a guy than is and hook up with a guy who's more physically

Camila (2)attractive than she is because said guy welcomes the easy access to sex 100% if I go up to a guy right now no matter what I'm like I want to have sex with

Camila (2)you they're why would they no like yeah why do we keep pushing this casual hookup and and we're not talking about actual relation that's a different conversation what the [ __ ] like a lot of this is about I it just sounds like it's

Lindalike men like well they can hook up with more people and it's like who cares like that's not going to sustain a long-term relationships and a lot of those connection don't build into something more but this is a da podcast most people are dating to become to turn into

Camila (2)a a relationship well I mean there's not everybody a lot of people are I don't agree with that I I don't think you need to date to be committed and married and have kids and do all this other [ __ ] I mean no you don't have to but I say a

Brian Atlaslarge majority that's not the normal anymore like it's a different time now yeah but the look the point I'm trying to make is is that okay this all stems

Brian Atlasfrom the one to 10 rating thing so if you have a girl who has an who has a delusional or inaccurate self- assessment of her own physical

Brian Atlasattractiveness she's let's say she's chasing after a certain tier of man to marry or just hook up

Lindawith they can coincide I like because if separate though a second ago it was separate a second ago it was just about casual dating and not turning into a relationship and now it's they they're

Brian Atlasrelated they're related exactly what I just said and because a girl could hook up with a guy who's more attractive than she is if we're just using some objective rating scale of 1 to 10 that

Brian Atlasguy very well is not going to ever commit to her but she's able to get sexual access from him so she either thinks well didn't work with this guy let me keep chasing

Brian Atlasmen of this caliber so then she's going to look at the guy who's actually on her looks level who's actually her looks equivalent and she's going to think I'm settling for

Brian Atlashim that's where women get into trouble if they think that they're more attractive than they actually are they're going to be chasing dudes throughout their 20s who are just never going to commit to them keep them in

Lindasituationships casual sex one night stands the raing skill is not the way to solve this this the rating scale is not

Lindathe way to solve this discernment solves this like your own like life mirring to you issues is hopefully I I mean this

Madisonis survival of the you said like um the whole scale thing was a surf surface level question you would say is that how

Madisonyou phrased it yes um and you also compared that to what do you bring to the table as like that as a surface level question as well right yes but you

Madisonwould say that if a man were to ask you that you would obviously write off the bat judge him for something but I think that surface level questions are almost

TTS Readernecessary nowadays because they say a lot more about people than just the flat out question doc Vin donated

TTS Reader$100 okay let's go deep IQ test girls can you name seven books that you have read other than the Harry Potter series Hunger Games or the Bible who read the

Keep (Kiki)Bible um here each of you maybe you can do the Bible once here name three books go of those um sorcerer Stone oh my God no he

Keep (Kiki)said not those oh not those Just Books in general yeah I'd be reading a little life sorry I wasn't listening I was pointing at her saying she should do the Bible [Laughter]

Brian Atlasversus okay we we have to wrap the show early anyway so we're going to move on sorry doc does any here named seven books you want to name seven books it's the same thing I'm not going to sit here and list okay thank you for your participation appreciate it

Madisondid you have a point that you were arriving at Madison yeah I think I kind of made it do you want me to repeat it well it was it was a question right oh yeah so your question like don't you think that surface level questions are almost necessary to ask these days

Madisonbecause it says more about someone like like you said uh someone some man asking you what do you bring to the table you obviously think a little more into it

Lindaand obviously judge him in a way saying he's a little more redpilled it's going to be yeah it's going to be you object to the surface level questions I'm just saying yeah not all surface level questions I

Lindadon't know where that conversation could go but if somebody is already like initially like bringing up red pill rhetoric then I know that we're just not going to be a match like I'm not interested in that subset of okay

Keep (Kiki)fantastic um I'll quickly say that if I did bring that up with my ex maybe and if I said what would you bring to the table and he said nothing having you pay for all my bills while I play video games and do nothing then maybe i' been like okay I won't get into relationship

Caitlynwith him so he wasn't going to tell you that so it yeah but if he had nothing to say what would he say if he had nothing to say Li manner it's like a guy ask that and a girl has nothing to say then

Keep (Kiki)everyone blames him for well why' you ask that it's like well if you have nothing to bring to the table can you blame him that's why you work on yourself so you have something to bring to the table so when you asked that

Lindaquestion it doesn't seem as crazy to be asked it and you can like if you really want to know I can yeah it's not offensive like almost nothing offends me it's just it's giving me that inkling of

Lindalike I'm not interested and and you can say whatever you want to say it's not going to actually give you most of the time a proper like understanding of that person their actions are going to show that not some right but it's tip of the

Brian Atlasiceberg it'll lead you there well okay disregarding your objections to the actual question uh what do you bring to the table disregarding your actual objections to somebody asking you that question question what do you bring to

Lindathe table I'm not going to answer this question this is just something that I wouldn't answer in a date I'm not going to answer here I'm not going to answer

Lindahow many books I've read okay um it's that power Dynamic and I know a lot of you don't see this and don't maybe even have that level of understanding or discernment and it's

Brian Atlasdifferent generation but it's it's a thing powered do you expect a guy that pay on the first date yes that's a great question that is

TTS Readera good question can we go around the table with that one give me just a sec we will go around the table on it RAV donated $100 the answer is nothing she brings

Brian Atlasnothing to the table that's what he's inferring by your choice to Omit answering that question but okay so what do you expect men to bring to

Lindathe table integrity Clarity consistency uh strong connection to Divinity not

Lindanecessarily religion but some kind of purpose based lifestyle um emotional availability emotional

Karissamaturity so what is the female equivalent of that the same then why wouldn't you just say that at the table when he asks you

LindaI could repeat myself over and over again this is a this audience and everything is a very specific subset of the population a small percentage of the

Lindapopulation so a lot of people aren't really watching this the majority of people aren't watching this no offense you guys have a great following but and

Lindathey're not into this community so I'm wanting somebody outside of this small community I'm I'm just wanting somebody outside of this small community and once I see that

Lindasomebody is kind of programmed by this community and we could get into like the Matrix and the red pill and the blue pill and but that's not my question why would you not just

Karissasay those same things that you just said I'm sorry you just said you know like a list of all these things that you would want in a man which are very good things

Karissaby the way you know but at the same time if he asks you that why why is it so wrong of him to ask you so

Lindathat you have the opportunity to respond to him in that way it's not wrong it's specifically more or less the terminology and then the alarm that kind of tells me that he's into this

Lindacommunity which I'm personally not interested in somebody from the red pill community so can you ask it's a very it's a red flag essentially okay it's

Brian Atlasit's a red flag if somebody asks what you bring to the table yes okay I assume do do you bring things to the table no I don't bring absolutely just

Brian Atlasnothing are you just being factious or I mean I'm looking for a partner that is on my level so what's on your level what do you what do you consider on your level you're trying to I'm not trying to do anything I'm literally having a good

Lindafaith conversation I just told you Integrity Clarity consistency being purpose-based living a more purpose-based life um being

Lindatransparent having authenticity I mean these are just general characteristics that I would look for in somebody in vice versa but that specific terminology

Brian Atlasit it's just going to tell me want waste either get you object to the specific question or the specific terminology um would you want a guy to you said you had

Brian Atlasa kid um would you want a guy to like pay for a babysitter so that you could go on a date with him or would you handle that as I'm getting to know

Lindahim no like right in the down the road well if we're going to become in a long-term relationship that's leading to marriage it's

Lindagoing it's we're going to become a family at some point down the line so would I ask him initially to pay for a babysitter when I'm just getting to know somebody no do you have kids yes yes she

Brian Atlashas a son have a son are you married no okay is the uh is the father in the picture at all or no he's not

Brian Atlassee pay child support nope wow is it like a one night stand or something no gone wrong no gone pregnant

Brian Atlasno I've never had a one night stand okay um good times good times we yeah did you have it looked like you had

Lindaanother question or is this bringing up judgement of Shame at all no no no it's

Camila (2)just it's just like why it why are you single like is it different because you have a kid or is it like like is it harder like I'm just um I don't know if

Lindait's necessarily harder I just haven't met that person yet I've been in multiple long-term relationships um but why has it not worked if like you you obtain so much knowledge

Camila (2)like I don't like if it were me coming to you it's like asking someone it's like asking a doctor if the medicine worked and it's not working for them so it's like how you see what I'm saying like if it hasn't worked for you how can you guide others I'm just trying to be

Lindarespect a lot of people do feel that way I don't personally feel that way I don't feel that every family therapist has to be married in order to give you the same tools that it takes to sustain a marriage I haven't met that

Lindaperson yet I there's a lot of people have all the tools and haven't yet met that person person and I'm sure I'll get a lot of push back of oh this this or that is wrong with her not from you but from the commun this community right to

Camila (2)guide a family I would expect you to have a family because you can or to guide a family to become a family I would expect someone who has experience and you see what I'm saying have expi most of my relationships have been

Camila (2)around 3 four years long so I'm not like I've never been casual dating scare that would scare me I'd be like holy like holy [ __ ] she's been in a relationship for 3 to four years it didn't work out like that's fine and then you see what I'm saying or um like what kind advice

Lindacould you give me well if that scared you and you didn't want to come see me you would probably just want to specifically make sure that you go to somebody who is in a long-term marriage I you know what I mean like that's if

Lindathat's a specific some people won't see therapists who only have a master's degree they really specifically want somebody with a doctorate and that's that's completely fine yeah yeah we just

Camila (2)have to agree to disagree cuz it it I just I couldn't like that's like taking parenting advice from someone who's not a parent you see what I'm saying like it just wouldn't make sense to me yeah to

Lindaan extent but there are a lot of people who are teachers who are not parents there are a lot of people who are family therapists who are not parents and

Lindayou're just I I get the right L of understanding but it's yeah and people are of their right to have that that's completely fine yeah

Brian Atlasokay well this all stemmed from the 1 to 10 rating question basically look the point I'm trying to make is is if you think you're hot [ __ ] and you're not reality is going to slap you in the

Brian Atlasface and it it plays out a little differently between men and women as a guy if you think you're [ __ ] hot [ __ ] and you're like obese in a basement dwelling Troll and you live with your

Brian Atlasparents like you're not going to go get a Victoria Secret model um the difference though between men and women

Brian Atlasis that men will welcome the easy access to sex so you have women who are capable of you know maybe they're a little overweight maybe they're average looking

Brian Atlaswhatever it may be they can get with like guy who's maybe more attractive than them and unfortunately uh a lot of guys are going to string that type of girl along and then she's either she's

Brian Atlasgoing to get hurt uh she's going to be like he doesn't want to commit or she's just going to keep chasing after a certain tier of guy and then once you've been with a certain tier of guy the guy who's actually on your level who you

Brian Atlasonce you've been through a bunch of guys in your 20s who you're going to want to settle down with when you're in your late 20s or 30s the guy who's actually on your level you're going to settle for him and it's not going to make for a

Caitlynhealthy or productive relationship in my view I think a lot of that stems from from a modern standpoint of women

Caitlynoverall in the dating world have unreal expectations of what they expect out of a man but not out of themselves if that

Caitlynmakes sense so it's like women expect men to do this and that but they but then it's it's toxic femininity when you

Caitlynsay okay well can you can you clean the kitchen it's like then everyone's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you can't say that it's like I I believe very heavily

Caitlynin in gender roles and like it works it's been proven to work and I think modern from a modern stando point it's becoming less and less we're going to we're going to move did you have a final

Lindathing I do to touch on this I do agree to some extent gender roles are huge I I don't like blanket statements I don't think that they work for everybody but I think that they're great but I the

Lindarating the looks rating thing I think that we can replace that woman having to chase with the like similar to work that I do healing um releasing chasing

Lindapatterns not chasing having stronger discernment and only entertaining men that are clear and consistent in their words and actions instead of a physical rating

Brian Atlasscale word okay we have Ripley glass here hey Ripley thank you man keep you're lovely don't listen to the Bible Thumpers on the other side of the table two of them can't drink haven't lived enough to understand dating her life

Brian Atlaskeep your a whole meal and a snack I'd eat every day uh hit me up on IG most men don't want virgins that's cap but

Brian Atlaswho a virgin thank you thank you uh I guess yeah there you go Ripley appreciate it man love Ripley I would say that like if given the opportunity yeah most men actually

Brian Atlaswould prefer women who are virgins but it's pretty rare So expectations you know right interesting any disagreement on that I mean that's just like saying a fairy tale like a fairy tale beginning is just hard to find like it's just hard

Caitlynto find a virgin and women may want the same thing yeah nobody talks about that and women want virgins male virgins sometimes you never know but a guy might say he wants a virgin cuz his I've never met a male that my age that was a virgin

Keep (Kiki)ever a guy might say he wants a virgin cuz like in his mind he might be like oh it's tighter or it's whatever I'm the first one to Christen it that's just like how a male's brain I've heard them say this before that's how they say yeah

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