HEATED Debate! 3 Girls KICKED OFF (Hat Trick) | Dating Talk #77

Date: 2023-05-24

Duration: 5h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

VVictoria (DT77)>

JJessica (DT77)>

SShania (DT77)>

MMadison (DT77)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Jake/Shania (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_03Madison(host)

SPEAKER_04Liv Margray(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_10Victoria (Vicky)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Jules(guest)

SPEAKER_12Shania(guest)

Key Moments

OtherShania reveals her father is Robin Crosby, guitarist of Ratt (80s hair metal band). Brian shows photos on screen.

“Robin Crosby okay you can just Google it okay all right”

QuoteLiv Margray admits to cheating on her first boyfriend (5-year relationship) when her boyfriend discovered texts on her iPad.

“he hacked my iPad and literally like broke my iPad”

ControversyVicky refuses to accept Brian's redirect away from transgender debate, insisting on continuing the discussion. Brian tells her to leave.

“you can either accept that or you can leave your choice”

OtherTriple kickoff (hat trick): Vicky asked to leave after refusing to drop transgender topic; Jules exits in solidarity; Madison briefly exits. Brian calls it a hat trick.

“okay this whole Squad leaving or what we got a whole Squad trick then I'm sorry”

OtherJules leaves show in solidarity with Vicky after Vicky is asked to leave.

“see ya I'm gonna get up too but thank you for having me”

QuoteBrian discloses 12 guests flaked on show day and vents about ongoing podcast stress, death threats, and hit pieces.

“we had 12 flakes today that's a [__] record”

ControversyBrian disavows statement made by male guest on previous show (Destiny stream) about enduring abusive relationships; clarifies his silence was not a cosign.

“let me emphatically say now that I disavowed the stance that was taken”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & announcements

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation. Show announcements and tech check.

Relationship statuses & dating history

Guests share current relationship status and longest relationships. Liv discusses 5-year relationship that ended after cheating.

Red/green flags by job and degree

Discussion of red and green flag jobs/degrees for dating. Brian lists flight attendants, HR, nurses, OnlyFans as red flags. STEM as green flag.

Who should pay on the first date

Debate over whether men, women, or whoever asks should pay on first dates.

Body positivity and gendered insults

Discussion of 'small dick energy' phrase, body positivity double standards.

Situationships and modern dating apps

Dating apps, disposability culture, situationships, and fear of commitment.

Feminism: definitions and perspectives

Debate on feminism's meaning across the panel. Jamie vs Jules vs Vicky. Feminism's impact on family structure and women's roles.

Stay-at-home mothers and career women

Discussion of women in the workforce vs. stay-at-home roles. Jamie argues feminism pressures women into unfulfilling careers.

Transgender debate and triple kickoff

Heated debate on transgender ideology. Jamie (anti) vs Vicky (pro). Vicky refuses to accept Brian's redirect; kicked off. Jules leaves in solidarity. Third guest also exits. Brian calls it a 'hat trick'.

After-show: post-kickoff debrief

After-show with Madison and Shania. Recap of kicked-off guests. Brian discusses 12 flakes, ongoing podcast drama, stress. Discussion of show logistics and future guests.

Transcript

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Liv Margrayto get them but is there anything that goes for like if there was a bunch of women in a room and there was a bunch of uh one man and he's picking the girl maybe one girl in the room is getting a majority of the men well yeah certainly there might be one girl in that room

Brian Atlaswho's the most attractive but I think men tend to operate more in reality because here's the difference right like guys get slapped in the face every day with the cold hard brutal truth of the

Brian Atlasworld and that's through the rejection whereas women don't really deal with rejection on the front end women deal with rejection on the back end so basically that's like when you get [ __ ] zoned when a guy's not willing to commit

Brian Atlasto you or he keeps you as a side chick that's where women get rejected on the back end uh men get rejected up front really quick on the front end like go up to a girl nope get away from it like they'll get

Liv Margrayrejected painful though imagine like you're trying to be with somebody loves somebody they won't commit to you that's getting ready woman also I I this isn't the case for

Jamieeverybody but women in general are can be way more emotionally invested in relationship versus men can have I think way easier have that you know friends with benefit situation I mean it's

Jamiebiological a woman like release a chemical when they have sex with a man that they become attached and so I think it's a lot more really yeah you really use oxytocin yeah

Brian Atlaswomen I think do build stronger bonds when they have sex with a guy and women in general like I said not everyone but I feel like women in general look for relationships versus

Jamiemen aren't there's a lot of men on dating apps that are out there and they're just kind of looking to like really casually date yep and I feel like woman I I'm a huge believer that like feminism has completely destroyed our

Julesdating culture and has like really I think negatively impacted women agreed based um I think it's also important to recognize though again like and I'm not saying you're wrong I agree with you on a lot of things you're saying like the

Julesdifferent goals of people in dating and it's about being upfront and honest it doesn't make people bad like some people are polyamorous and if they're upfront and honest about that then like they have to they should just accept maybe they'll have a smaller dating pool with

Jamiepeople that are open to that but people used to date for marriage that was the point of dating to get married and start a family but also marriage wasn't always a positive thing marriage used to be

Juleslike a man owned his wife in a lot of ways there was more domestic also there's less benefits to marriage nowadays too marriage is the best

Jamiepossible thing for women it is it truly is I it woman do better financially men do better financially as well when they're married not when they get divorced though but there's like 15

Jamieminutes in terms of divorce if you if you divorce as all the laws favor women you can take most of your husband's money

Jamiewhen you're divorced but Sabrina but financially it makes way more sense for people to be married for your children I mean the for men especially if you grow

Jamieup with a single mother the rates of you being incarcerated not graduating School drugs and all this stuff is Sky High and so you know marriage is the best thing that's happened for both of the Sexes

Jamieand it's I think a huge problem in our society is a lack of marriage and relationships that are not traditional anymore and I think it's breaking down a lot of our cultural Fabric and has very horrible implications I can definitely

Julesagree and understand with a lot of things you're saying but I also think too that there's again so many situations where it might not be healthy for two parents to be together and they have children and they might if they're trying to stay together in order to keep

Julesthe family together but it's a toxic environment then that's going to have a negative impact on their children like I grew up um in a household where my parents got divorced and like it was one of the best things that ever happened to me personally and um well there is

Jamieobviously I don't think it's a one-size-fits all but in general children do better and people do better in marriages in a traditional nuclear family and all the data back set up yeah I

Jamiethink you would statistically be happier if you got married and had kids it's just kind of Conservative Christian women are the happiest there's been really exciting about this married Conservative Christian women are the

Madisonhappiest people in society amen but you said you didn't want to have kids right I don't want to have kids yeah and you're also in a serious relationship I am how does your boyfriend feel about

Madisonthat he actually has kids um how old's your boyfriend he is 48. oh okay how many kids you have he has three kids

Madisonoh sorry go ahead is that like we are monogamous does that affect your wanting of children or no honestly it's been a blessing in my life to get to you know

Juleslearn from children and I think the biggest thing I've learned is how like they're so pure and that that gives me hope in humanity by seeing that like you know so there's these innocent Souls that come into the world and you know

Julesthe world might Harden them as they get older but seeing that innocence and like that desire to give love and be love is like what gives me hope as a person so hope for what uh but the world can be a

Julesbetter place no I don't I just never you know I think that motherhood is a huge decision to make if you're gonna make it and you should be enthusiastic and really want it if you're gonna be good at it and you're gonna and if you don't

Julesenthusiastically want it then you risk you know hurting an innocent child and so I take it seriously like if it's not something that I know I want I'm not gonna do that to a child how old is he

Brian Atlasboyfriend or okay are you guys in a monogamous relationship how did you meet him he is a DJ so I met him on Maui is it Tiesto no is he a famous DJ

Julesum he's like locally known I think I don't know about like I think you guys would know him yeah okay you said he's sorry uh 48 48. um yeah I'm gonna say something else or wait you

Julesmet did you met him on seeking no oh no I met him he's a DJ and I met him um because I went to a club um there's like a little Club on Maui

Julesand he was DJing there and we met and nice yeah really organic definitely wasn't something I ever expected um and I I'd have had you know she's met him too and like you know he's very

Brian Atlasyoung at heart so sure okay um so we're gonna we're gonna come back to some of that stuff later um question

Brian Atlaswho here you know Technologies advancing real [ __ ] crazy um we've got a uh doll in the back there you know that's the future the way of the future

Brian Atlaslike Leonardo Dicaprio and Aviator that's the name of the movie who here would be down to get with like

Madisona really high quality AI sex robot like in 10 years or some [ __ ] like if like do they have feelings and everything like like what this is like

Brian Atlasthe start of the Matrix essentially um show of hands who would be down for like this amazing dude amazing dude robot I

Brian Atlasguess like anybody down to like with the sex robot no I'm so weird I'll raise my hand no come on I'm down let's I mean more for the experience but I think it would be like

Jake/Shania (mixed)like I wouldn't be able to give me children no because there's something so special

Jake/Shania (mixed)you still have a human but like also it does it rewards for you and [ __ ] but it's a robot and it's happening it's starting to happen there's like ten thousand dollars

Brian Atlasbe uh like just beyond dystopian like she could mow your lawn and [ __ ] you know so you'd want a robot White no I'd still like get with real humans I guess

Jamieyou just get a robot to do your chores

Victoria (Vicky)I want the all-in-one package I want the chore robot he wants to Chase [Music] or are you just [ __ ] with this like

Victoria (Vicky)I'm dead serious bring on the sex robots okay I'm for it you do what if it's like not how are they gonna like replicate

Victoria (Vicky)like like the body like squishy like well yeah right over there bro she's got some titties

Brian Atlasum here let's talk about let's talk about it let's talk about oh this is a vagina yeah yeah hold on guys so show of hands who here has ever used

Brian Atlasa sex toy sex toy as in like a dildo or like a vibrator is it weird that I've never used a vibrating account yeah yeah vibrator

Brian Atlasreally so so this is a question question for the girls here would it be a turn off or a deal breaker wait so just show uh you guys already

Brian Atlasdid it would it be a turn off or deal breaker if you found out a guy had a male sex toy like one if he was hold on let's go around the table hold on hold on hold on you start go ahead no I mean

JulesI think when you I think it's interesting to learn with a partner about how like your habits can affect your sexual relationship like if a guy is watching porn you can explore about how that affects dopamine or other girls

Brian Atlaswatching okay bro he's got a pocket [ __ ] like on the cat on the bedroom nightstand deal breaker yes or no yeah I mean it would be a discussion potential deal breaker first time going over the guy's house

Brian Atlasyeah so I mean it's just like off-putting to me personally deal breaker deal breaker ignore the like nightstand scenario you just find out you've been dating let's say you I don't know three dates or something

Liv Margrayhe's got a pocket [ __ ] like I'm just not one I don't I don't agree with like porn like a guy like Jack not porn just like a [ __ ] Pocket [ __ ] I think just jacking off is better like why you gotta

Liv Margrayhave a whole like fake vagina how else that like like squirts water and [ __ ] that's like no no no water squirting like a fake vagina like a fake vagina huh and you we put stuff in it right

Liv Margrayyeah but they're like putting water in ears technically a vibrator is like a vibrating penis no it's like them jacking off kind of Because unless you're using like a giant dildo do you

Brian Atlaswant your girlfriend using a dildo when did we get used to the feeling of vibrations that's a good point like when did like when was it like pocket

Liv Margrayyou feel like it's cheating if a guy has a pocket [ __ ] yes it's not my vagina but you got you said you had dildos and chairs no I don't have dildos oh vibrator excuse me vibrator which I don't think is the same it's not like a

Brian Atlasfake dick that looks like a dick yeah but it's like how else is a guy like a guy can't get off if you put a vibrator like that's not how guys get off but that's not a sex toys sorry we're talking about sex toys

Victoria (Vicky)[ __ ] that but let's just forget that out first thing I know that man I'm not gonna tpe this and be like I know that that PP or whatever Pocket [ __ ] is not

Victoria (Vicky)comparing to like my acrobatic whatever but like it's not a deal breaker because like how you masturbate and how you relieve yourself is on you but like I

Victoria (Vicky)personally as somebody who like has like a weird relationship with like like masturbating it's like would I want somebody more like me I don't really know if you're if you're

Victoria (Vicky)into the pocket [ __ ] man I don't kind of care but it's kind of like I've never really I've never been with someone who I know has one like I've never met a man who's like you've never liked it before who I'm into who we're talking or if

Brian Atlaswe're [ __ ] or sleeping together and he's like hey I have a pocket [ __ ] but like you want to [ __ ] and bring it out would you think less of a guy that you

Brian Atlaswere dating if you discovered either he said hey maybe we could incorporate it or you just found out it was I don't know you found out or he just told you why would he want to incorporate I don't know CV is a real one right in front of

Jake/Shania (mixed)it that means he doesn't like you enough yeah if he got a pocketbook that means he doesn't like you enough to have sex I feel like at that point they're just watching too much porn

JessicaI gotta know what about you um I was thinking about like I feel like if they had like more like regular sex twice but if there's one of those no no

Brian Atlasnot the sex doll just just like a just a flashlight like a yeah Pocket [ __ ] yeah okay um I don't know like I guess I guess not I mean it would be like a

JessicaI like why is that out on the bed you didn't think to put it away before I got here but I don't know I like I use a vibrator so I feel like I cannot like

Shaniajudge somebody for using a pocket [ __ ] Shania what about you I mean I so I usually date men who live far away from me so I myself cannot be there every

Shaniasingle night so if he has one and he needs to use it okay get your get your thing dude get your pocket [ __ ] yeah that's I'm I'm just don't leave it on

Shaniathe table Yeah like it's like pizza Decor dinner like you know but and then like

Victoria (Vicky)I know the laugh is like that laughable like you guys have seen the memes of like the dirty ass like the [ __ ] crackhead memes with like the [ __ ] pocket [ __ ]

Brian Atlaswhat about you me yeah absolutely huge turn off you discover like your husband you're going through the drawers or whatever and it's just like a [ __ ]

Jamiepocket [ __ ] like is is it the divorce insta divorce or it would be fair its name is like thoroughly you would never do that yeah I mean I feel like there's this certain type of person that would do that and like that would just never

Brian Atlasbe someone I would marry okay you know but yeah okay so I love that you'd you wouldn't insta divorce your husband but insta therapy how do you feel like are you like what

Jamieare we naming the [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah I'd be really angry I mean I can't even visualize it because it's just like so out of the realm of possibility like I like I said I just have never dated someone that would be that type of

Madisonperson and yeah Madison what about you I'd say it's like a it's not a deal breaker but it's just like a what the [ __ ] like why do you have it if Frankie ever no if Frankie ever if I was going

Madisonthrough his stuff and found a pocket not gonna I would be mad I would be so mad at him yeah as you should be like we're together 24 7. like why do you need them and they got weird ones too with like fake butts

Jessicaand stuff freaking oh yeah that was something I thought about like I feel like it's a little different actually for women to have sex toys because it's so hard for women to climax women having sex toys is kind of weird too like guys

Jessicayeah it's so hard but like for a guy like you just got your hand yeah like it's yeah I can't really use our hands like you can but like it takes

Jamielonger in my Hannah I just feel like part of this larger culture that sex is now just so transactional like and there's just no like there's nothing sacred now about sex it's just like two

Jamieconsenting individuals or a sex toy or whatever and that like makes you happy and I just think that completely has degraded like the meaning of what sex is supposed to be yeah I got sex too though like for example like a woman who might

Julesbe like celibate who uses a vibrator like do you think that could potentially be a sacred experience for her to connect to her sexuality to figure out what she likes and to like you know become in touch with her body in a way

Jamiethat maybe she never experienced in a relationship and is celibate like do you think that that is you know a bad thing I I personally like I said it's a free country so people are afraid to do what they want to do in the privacy of their

Jamiebedrooms but I believe that sex is supposed to be between two people who love each other and are committed to each other and so I think we live in a culture now that is completely degraded that and has made sex transactional and

Victoria (Vicky)I think that largely hurts women more than men I feel like sex kind of always was secretly transactional but then it was like the popularization of media and like book I mean like books always but

Victoria (Vicky)like a population of sex books population of sexy TV scenes population of sleeping around like it's all glamorized on TV so it's like it comes to the light and it's like of course if you're sleeping around back in the day

Brian Atlasyou're not really going to talk about it because there was like the word hope pre-dates I need to stay this stay this course a little bit on this conversation so just a little game I feel like

Brian Atlasit's probably worse actually if a dude's masturbating as compared to using a black [ __ ] because I think it's worse these dudes like if they're if they're actually masturbating like you can holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going on with

Brian Atlasyour microwave do you think it's gay or something that they like themselves a little too much no because like they've got the [ __ ] if they have the death grip it's like they're not going to be able to some dudes like want people to come during sex if they're like oh

Brian Atlas[ __ ] up their sensitivity because they got the [ __ ] up there

Liv Margrayscript that [ __ ] so it's gonna be like a little more the things well you mean death grip like because you could close your hand really hard yeah they got big [ __ ] never they're like way too tight with the [ __ ] they

Brian Atlasneed somebody sad or satisfactions but but it's interesting though like nobody back tonight sorry hold on hold on nobody bats mine if a girl has a

Brian Atlasvibrator or dildo like she's in touch with her sexuality whatever but if a dude has a pocket [ __ ] all of a sudden he's less than huh he's looked down

Brian AtlasI think it's so weird if you use a dildo no that should that I think that's pretty common it's pretty normal yeah but it's weird but speaking of speaking of we have uh

Brian Atlassomething in studio here um Shania you were talking about um you know putting it on the uh the table so well I'm gonna have you uh

Miscput them on the table please me yeah okay over there so I have here oh no a what's called an auto blow see this this is pretty

Brian Atlasum and it's actually so this is a auto blow Ai and um what it does you should not be promoting this and hold on so you turn it on turn the switch on and then

Madisonpress the power button why does it do circles and then it's got 10 different speed settings so like check this [ __ ] out bro I need like this I mean at least

Shaniathis is for a guy right yeah it's for dude so wait I'm confused on how you use this are you laying down or do you put it against a wall or like I mean you can

Victoria (Vicky)use it in all kinds of ways he just lie back you put on some jazz

Julesplease tell me do you know so wait I'm putting on I have a question though does this make men less satisfied during like if men do this often buy this at home if

Jake/Shania (mixed)men do this often does that make them like less satisfied during actual like sex for example that's what I was not doing enough in a day can you hit the pause back and off and using these they must be boring yeah he's looking at this

Victoria (Vicky)doing anything for you so you don't have to answer honestly but is looking at it like doing anything disgusting

Brian Atlassexual Revolution was a mistake look I'm just saying by the way these came from Bosnia son have you have you ever been to Bosnia have you ever been in the

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I'm just kidding he said imagine look yeah come on yeah look it's an auto blow AI I assume that AI stands for artificial intelligence and you plug it

Madisonin [ __ ] automatically blows you word the worst part is comfortable like being in front of me really yeah

Brian Atlasyou know listen to someone who has carpal tunnel syndrome this this [ __ ] seems like a game changer I'm just saying I Ferrari a fellatio

Brian Atlasoff well it's the Bugatti of [ __ ] no and it's got 10 different speed settings use code whatever use code links in the description I feel like you need to blow

Brian Atlasout you have a ranked tree link you have to go to the link tree link if you want to check it out guys check it out you know 10 off use code whatever um yeah okay that thoroughly made I feel like self-love is very reflective we

Julesgotta ruin your sex toys do you think that I feel like sex made people less satisfied yes yeah what do you guys think about the

Victoria (Vicky)relation between like sex like sex toys and self-love like if you're like really if you're like personally I'm just not into it because I like you know like into sex toys yeah yeah because just I

Victoria (Vicky)guess like I like a person you know and I don't like the like I think I don't even like really like doing it by myself unless like I don't like I don't know like it has to be special or like a special mood or whatever yeah but like

Victoria (Vicky)if you're like have a fanatic for self for sex toys and you're you're probably you're probably really creative you know you probably really have a good imagination because you spend a lot of time well first thing what scares me

Victoria (Vicky)about that is that it's a plug-in it's not battery powered second thing

Victoria (Vicky)if you're sitting with your with your what's it called I'm gonna name it what's her name but she needs a name you know she's making you come true Gertrude so you're sitting there with Gertrude and you're

Victoria (Vicky)getting imaginatory or your eyes open or your eyes closed are you watching Gertrude like I mean you have to be a really creative person because I'm not turned on by the robot or are you turned on by the road that's okay it's just

Victoria (Vicky)like you're watching you could be watching porn I guess while you're but are you choosing to watch porn or are you looking at the machine no you don't look at the machine it's the feeling and then there's a sensation or something and they're just like imagination because the machine

Julessorry that's why you guys shouldn't use Tinder but it doesn't get us further and further away from actual like good sex is my question yeah like you know what I mean yeah look if you just need it if you just need a nut why not but why do

Madisonyou just say it's blue you know it's actually bad for men to like jack off all the time and watch porn it's bad for them word bro that one is crazy I mean I feel like it's fine if you if

Madisonyou're okay don't get one if you're not single that's all I have to say it's so bad for men at the end of the day she's anti-porn if you're dating her well you've got only fans hello but I'm

Liv Margraynot doing porn like I'm doing like a soft porn it's not like um it's like posting on Instagram like it's not like I'm doing porn just because you haven't only offenses of me you're doing porn yeah and like I guess for you because I

Victoria (Vicky)know you personally and I know you're like you represent a huge amount of only fans girls who um how do I put this they're not they're not porn stars like you're you're anti-porn and you like a lot of it is

Victoria (Vicky)like I disassociate with the people who use my content right like I'm not a porn user I'm not even a masturbator but I have only fans and I you have only no I don't but I'm talking like a

Victoria (Vicky)hypothetical person but I have only fans but I'm not really into the whole idea of only fans and it's it's fun for me I mean I love I love like I think it's funny or I think it's kind of cute that

Victoria (Vicky)like a lot of girls are kind of like like really like disassociate the customers I mean I guess some people it's kind of like a drug dealer that sells we but doesn't smoke weed some people get off on it like I knew a girl

Victoria (Vicky)who did only fans and she sat home and like and like masturbated on like FaceTime all day like or you know and she noted like 10 times a day and she was like into it I knew and only pants girl who would like masturbate and like

Victoria (Vicky)all day and just do sentence people would pay her for face times and she would like come over and over again and I know that if you're doing that you're you're that's kind of like it's become I don't know does it is it has it become

Victoria (Vicky)your Kink or is it just like you liked it in the first place I don't know how does only fans dictate your sex life and like if you're doing it hardcore if you're doing it like personally like I like looking at a picture you just asked like seven questions there okay but can

Brian Atlasyou explain what I'm trying to do yo hold on feeling dangerous thank you man I'm sorry I forgot your name but the based woman next to Madison I paid for the first few dates as a man uh after that I use as a means to communicate how much money I expect a woman to

Misccontribute to the household in the future good or bad idea yeah that's for you that's it that's yeah yeah I pay for the first leads

Jamiewell if you're gonna read it read it out loud I mean I think it just depends on your relationship with that woman and if you got if that woman is someone who's like very career driven and wants a career I think that's great to support her

Jamieum but you know if she wants to be a mother and stay at home and raise the kids it's a really important job I think it's the most important job in society and I think it's very undervalued and as someone who does have a baby I know it's

Jamiea full-time job and so I think men should also respect that that is a full-time job cleaning cooking taking care of it's the hardest job icon but you know obviously we live in an economy like you mentioned earlier where that is

Jamienot the case where everybody can have a stay-at-home wife and so in a marriage you need to make decisions together on what works best financially for each other and support each other sure all right we have uh Rachel Fallen thank you

Brian Atlasif being upfront about your goals why not normalize arranged marriages in the U.S uh uh true love yeah

Julesyou have no idea who a person is it's like even three months into a relationship to be honest like I feel like it can take a long time hold on just a sec

TTS/Misca lot not all of current women versus sex toy both don't clean or cook don't communicate when something is wrong and it is acceptable to replace the sex toy

Liv Margraywhen loose um paste hello what wait so he's basically saying that sex toys are the same as I think he's talking about the robot the robots

Brian Atlasokay both don't clean or cook don't communicate when something is wrong it is acceptable to replace the sex toy when it's well he's being the wrong woman then

Brian Atlasokay all right thank you Adam um just going back to Rachel's comments about why not normalize arranged marriages in the US I mean I don't think that that would you lost more divorces you know

Jessicawhat actually that's not true that's not true people who are in arranged marriages are statistically happier and they get less divorces

Jamielike levels too like people who are in arranged marriages also are statistically happier I think that's right the opposite problem in the U.S where there's like we were talking about dating apps or swipe sites and it's like

Jamiealmost too many options like how do you actually meet someone like I think like when you're dating someone you you can't expect that person is going to be absolutely perfect and you have to take people at their flaws as well and so like obviously totally against arranged

TTS/Miscmarriages but I think we have an awesome time make no mistake she don't want love messing with a 48 year old geezer men already have a lower life expectancy

TTS/Miscwhich means he's gonna kick the buckets before she hits 48. now what the female equivalent of a male DJ is a truck stop lizard weirdo

Julesum first of all he's not just a DJ that's like one of his business Endeavors and he has a couple um not that it matters anyway but

JulesI think that if you you know have this assumption that just because people are different ages that they can't have a healthy relationship you know then you're entitled to that but that doesn't

Julessay anything about the reality of my relationship so I'll just keep being happy and you seem like you're doing really you're happy with all your messages too

Victoria (Vicky)she's happy you're good for the Pod good for them yeah stereotypes okay we have let's get some soup shots of anger it seems like yeah all right we have less pent up anger than we love you all right

Madisonkpib thank you man men in general want to feel desire Madison can you read it then in general want to feel desired if a woman pays for the date it's going to make him feel desired when women stop making a man feel desired that is when

Brian Atlasthey more likely will cheat not saying that it's okay just saying that's what happens yeah I definitely think that uh I mean there's this talk about there's definitely some talk about well

Brian Atlasyou know you'd want the guy to pay because that's him showing that he's actually interested in you but I think you could actually make a much stronger argument for the reverse if a girl pays for you

Brian Atlasthen she must genuinely be super interested because if it's just the expectation that men should pay I don't think it really indicates his level level of interest in you I'm sure a Girl

Brian AtlasLike A girl has been paid for on a date and then got like maybe they hook up and then he never talks to her again so I don't think a guy paying on a date is any

Brian Atlasindicator that the guy's not gonna hit it and quit it so yeah where's the reverse if a girl's like here I'm gonna I want to pay for you let me simp then you're like bro she's [ __ ] into

Brian Atlasyou but I don't think the reverse can be always the case like you were saying that you paid for like that's fair that's fair yeah well but that's when a girl gives him that message that's when the girl was like if a girl splits on a

Brian Atlasdate that could be an indicator yeah that she's just yeah she doesn't know but he was talking about like not just days I'm not like a whole relationship yeah that's true I love taking care of him I mean like off rip when I first

Victoria (Vicky)meet you I kind of want to I guess paying for it might be the sense of commitment like if we're into each other and him paying for it as a sense of I don't want to say responsibility because um I just don't but but like you get kind of get the feeling that he's

Liv Margrayserious also you know when you're in a relationship because of the stigma yeah but that's okay you know I feel like also in a relationship like let's say you know he's like not doing as good financially like in the long run or

Liv Margraysomething happens and if you have more you can like help support that you know what I mean like it doesn't have to just be the man paying for everything it could be like if he's going down bad or something happens like you're there to support him as well like that's what a team is like supporting each other you

Jamieknow it's another interesting like aspect that we haven't talked about that I also think is because of feminism when men pay for I've heard a lot of my friends talk about this when men pay for the date they automatically expect that you're gonna go home with them and that

Jamiethey're going to get something out of that and that's kind of like how our culture works nowadays yeah I think that kind of I mean not with everyone obviously like obviously not a good guy but there are a lot of guys my friends have talked about that they feel like in

Jamiea very awkward situation because of that and you know that's obviously because of hookup culture and everything or you feel like you owe them something yeah type thing if they pay for your dinner all the more reason to not pay for the

Brian Atlasfirst date okay we have a sweet tooth here uh men should pay for the traditional women it's if she's not traditional split or have her pay three

Brian Atlasof threefos can kick rocks what does that mean area code okay yeah I mean I wouldn't say like if she's not traditional split or have her

Brian Atlaspay I'm not I mean have I wouldn't go into it I would never go into a date expecting her to pay for me the same way that a lot of women

Brian Atlasnot all women but a lot of women will go into a date expecting the guy to pay for them but that I think you should split pay for your respective meals so especially if she spends more than like

Julesyeah I also wanted to touch on something you said and I think that's interesting how like when you know we're throwing out words like feminism or like traditional women it's interesting because it is so layered like I can like

Julescall myself a feminist and then somebody else who might call themselves a radical feminist would say that's not feminist because you're wearing makeup and and somebody who might say that you know we all have our own kind of

Julespersonal definition of like where we stand but a lot of the times we might find things that we actually do agree on and it's not black and white at all you know I think feminism isn't what it used

Jamieto be and it comes with like a lot of values that I'm very pro-woman and I believe in women's equality and I believe in like empowering women but I find that a lot of feminism does the

Jamieexact opposite which is why I call myself an anti-feminist based wait who here's a feminist how can you like like in definition definitely in definition yeah

Julesanybody because you know like somebody who's a radical feminist for example like would call a lot of women who call themselves feminists like that say that they're not feminists but before we get into the feminist conversation I just

Brian Atlaswant to thank uh Sweet Tooth we I know we read it but thank you sweet tooth for the uh Super Chat appreciate all your support tonight and in previous streams and then we just have one here from streamlabs we have uh Shania can you read this

Shaniathe goat every show she's on can you make a goat noise what noises yeah dude can you do it

Shaniano do it come on come on please please please please

Brian Atlasgive us a little ring oh man okay all right stoically thank you man appreciate the donation okay so uh feminism uh again just show of hands who considers themselves a feminist whatever your

Brian Atlassense of that word is okay all right were you gonna raise your hand i'm like a woman's woman wait can you scoot the mic closer towards you and just tilt the mic down just a tad

Liv Margrayyou're a woman's woman yeah like I are you a boss babe a boss babe are you a boss babe I mean I'm a boss are you a boss ass [ __ ] I mean I she's married to the money of course she's married to the money you're married to the game but I

Liv Margrayknow what you're trying to say you're trying to like make that a bad thing but no I'm just asking where are you I'm just asking me like you making fun of that yeah kind of but yeah you are so that's why I'm not saying fair enough okay but are you a feminist

Brian Atlasum so I I actually we can start with you and then we'll work our way that way what's your definition wait wait actually let me just read the Super Chat from Mike Davis really quick yo Mike Davis

Madisonum actually Madison can you read it realize I'm a multi time and did so without selling my soul 100 to me is less than one centity one cent to you entertainment money the West

Madisonis the last cause I'm just enjoying watching it burn I got foreign woman much prettier than you basics who worship me this is my Davis by the way

Liv Margrayso is this like your this is his main sponsor sponsor guy boom Define our worship of you please but at the end of the day money doesn't buy happiness it does you know there's a new study that

Liv Margrayyeah increase happiness because you're not as stressed out financially but at the end of the day long term that's why you see all these celebrities commit suicide or doing drugs because they can't find that

Jamielove humans at the end of the day like want love we all just want love and acceptance It's not just about money and materialistic things it doesn't make you happy it makes you feel happy too much money can really corrupt yeah and cause a lot of issues

Brian Atlasin your life yeah I think there's a balance of being like wealthy and be able to provide for your family that'll bring a lot of happiness you know what though my thinking is is that like let's say you fit like you had some experience

Brian Atlasin the workforce for a couple years you're a wage slave it [ __ ] sucks maybe you're doing physical labor maybe you're sitting for 10 hours a day at a [ __ ] cubicle that to me is draining so I think money

Brian Atlaswould make you happier in so far as if you came into such a significant amount of money that you could retire say for example at 25 or 30 it would be

Brian Atlashard for me to if I came into such an amount of money where I could just never work again I would be pretty [ __ ] happy like I wouldn't want to work like I'd all do anything honestly like

Brian Atlasyeah you need to build if I if someone just put 30 million dollars in my bank right now I I'd probably just broadcast I just

Brian Atlas[ __ ] chill maybe I'd still do a podcast but I'd

Madisonbecause they're bored and they're kind of just bored you know because they have so much money kids are bored with life after go buy like a little girl car or something right around and then you get bored after that

Brian Atlaseverything is ten minutes yeah but like being away slave is not happiness [ __ ] sitting in the oh well yeah cubicle for 10 hours a week but that's why it's good to choose the career path that makes you happy and

Madisonsomeone you're actually passionate about hello Eric hello hello I do agree why are you in the point that you're getting at yeah like I feel like success is very it's it's defined in like two different

Madisonways nowadays I feel like Eric never you cannot have that window open then what all right anyway people think like success is money but success is happiness and exactly

Brian Atlasthere's a balance like everything yeah Eric that window can never pop up on stream okay

Brian Atlaswhat the why were you in the windows tab to begin with you had to pause the buttons are right next to each other wait so it's been running the whole time what the video's been running the whole

Brian Atlastime no uh okay whatever um what were we talking about I don't know Mike Davis's thing um okay More Money More Problems okay we were talking about feminism right so oh yeah uh what's your

Jessicadefinition of feminism um the belief that men and women are equal okay that's it so feminism is about equality yes purely in my opinion what's

Victoria (Vicky)what's your sense of feminism definitely equality it's kind of funny to see how like when people start to like name movements that are like I don't know what happens

Victoria (Vicky)to like an idea and a belief once it gets a movement why does it become so bullied like why is it when people stand up for like feminism are you talking about

Madisonfeminism yeah like what happens I feel like feminism it becomes such like like a movement where it's like uplifting Woman by degrading men yeah correct that's exactly

Brian Atlasit's like the small technology please please before we give our response let's allow them to Define what a feminist is so oh you you oh me yeah

Juleswell you didn't identify yes right um I think that we live in a society where or just I think that feminism is

Julesabout Liberty and about freedom for all people for all beings and so that by supporting and people have their different definitions of feminism but by like generalizing feminism as a whole

Julesand saying that it means one thing is being kind of ignorant to the many many layers of feminism and the many ways that people have completely opposite beliefs and will still call themselves feminists

Julesso I'm my definition of feminism is being as free as the person next to me regardless of their sex regardless of their gender okay so equality or yeah equality for

Madisonall people sorry Madison did you want to continue with your take oh I was just gonna say I like like I believe in the same things that like all of you said like equality hold on okay that's

TTS/Miscunderstandated two hundred dollars blonde girl with the fat ass Gap next to Shrek with a wig what do you need to do is get married to a dentist to fix that messed up Grill catch braces not bodies

Liv Margraydo [Music] why are you so mad I love my Gap if you check my Instagram it says girl with The Gap literally on there it definitely makes me money so

Brian Atlasand why are you so mean did you comment this just to come for me whose discount Kate Beckinsale who's what discount who is Discount okay

Brian AtlasBeckinsale yo Victor thank you hey Eric can you pull up Victor's Instagram it should be on the tab um Victor is one of our longtime supporters I want to ask the girls like would you date this guy see you is this a guy who just said

Brian Atlassomething rude oh yeah this is a guy this is uh check out his Instagram um scroll up you can scroll up a little bit um all right Victor uh can you pull up that first photo of him yo do you see do you see all these

Brian Atlascomments that's from us yo go to everyone in the chat pull up his Instagram and uh like I want you to put um I want you to put that um Emoji where there's like the the

Brian Atlasfingernails and it's the nail polish the one that looks like yeah the nail the nail polish Emoji I want you to spam his comments with the nail polish Emoji guys all right sweet uh oh what'd you guys date him no no huh

Brian Atlasbecause of what he said or just because no I mean I'm one that's I'm not really attracted to him oh rip sorry Victor okay anybody else and also Shania would you be are you done for him

MadisonI'm good but thank you all right did he ever go on that or did he ever he doesn't like my Gap so what did he ever keep talking uh no probably not

Jamieum I wanted to touch on when you guys said equality because I think that's an interesting word to use and I want to preface this by saying I believe in we have the same rights under the eyes of God in America and I will always fight

Jamiefor that but I don't think men and women are equal I I don't I don't think you can compare men and women I think they're intrinsically different and so that's my problem with feminism while

Jamiethey degrade men they also are trying to make women more like men and women are special and unique in our own ways and femininity is special and I think that there's a lot of things that women

Jamieshould aim for that's different than men and I think we should embrace that we're unique and different and I think a lot of feminism has brought out the worst qualities of men and are trying to make women follow those qualities especially

Liv Margraywhen it comes to hook up holding how do you feel about like the alpha male culture like the new culture with like Andrew Tay and all them I think that's a complete like Rebellion to feminism that

Jamieyou're producing kind of this hyper masculine culture and there's some parts that you know I agree I think we need more masculinity in the US I think men have been degraded in this country and I think they've been torn down and I think

Jamiethey're told that masculinity is toxic masculinity is not toxic masculinity is the most important thing to make a country but there is toxic masculinity traits there's bad traits that men have that are not good but I think women

Jamieenable that when we have a culture where you sleep around with guys you enable toxic masculinity you enable guys to take advantage of your body and use you as like a credit card for sex rather

Jamiethan making that man work for you so I think it's like what I find funny is that feminism brings out that so-called toxic masculinity and we allow Like the quote unquote I hate using this

Jamieword but like really the patriarchy to take advantage of us and use our bodies and instead of work for us build a family with us and treat us with respect and dignity I

Julescan hear and understand what you're saying completely but I also think it's important while acknowledging the pitfalls of feminism in areas where it may be you know harmful and degrade men to also recognize where feminism has

Julesbeen necessary and fundamental for women's survival and safety sure in 1950s look at violence rates like if you look at violence rates you know majority

Julesof crimes violent crimes are commit by men like that's a true statistic and when we're thinking about violence for example you know that is there's no Liberty there there's no Freedom if

Julessomebody's threatening your life then and obviously women commit violent crimes too but you know if we're looking at the statistics men do commit more violent crimes than women and so when somebody is having a violent crime being

Julescommit against them there is no Liberty there there is no freedom and if we look at the roots of even marriage men were permitted to beat their wives so it is still part of our history

Jamieand I'll say this the whole hookup culture allows women to become victims of sexual violence and abuse it's not safe for a woman to meet a man at a bar and go home with him someone she doesn't know someone her friends don't know you

Jamieput yourself in a very very risky situation doing that but instead feminism instead of talking about that how that is a huge cause of sexual violence they're encouraging women to do that they're saying go be like a man go

Jamiehave sex with a random guy and woman just biologically we have more implications when we have sex with a guy we could become pregnant where we put ourselves at risk for sexual abuse and violence and like we talked about earlier women become more

Jamieattached to men so I think it actually leads a lot of women to depression when they're engaging in this meaningless hookup culture but I don't think the feminism or our feminist is oh them

Jamiesaying Oh go [ __ ] everybody sexual Revolution it was you know women should be like men and maybe that's the radical but women shame for their bodies

Juleswhich if women go to meet men at a bar or they go on a walk in their neighborhood in the morning they're still vulnerable to being you know violently attacked men are more likely to be victims of violent crime so yeah

Jamiejust just because you feel more vulnerable doesn't actually mean you are but walking on a street you're way less likely to be harmed by a violent crime than going home with a man

Jamiefrom a bar that you don't know and going to his bedroom and you could even if I just we're definitely not saying oh go do that that's not well I think that's part of the sexual Revolution it's encouraging women to do what they want with their bodies and as long as it's

Jamietoo consenting individuals there's nothing wrong with that and I think there's something completely wrong with using sex like a transactional no yeah I agree I think you should only be having sex with someone that you fully know you

Liv Margraywant to maybe be with or commit to I'm not saying to just go have sex with anybody I don't do that I don't have sex on the first day with anybody or even the second or third like you know what I mean like or fourth like which I think is good but that's a sexual Revolution

Julesyeah but sex is also a power women have that has been stripped from them for Generations also but how is it empowering to have sex with a guy that uses your body and then discards you

Juleslike you're nothing my well that might not be empowering to you and maybe like the way that you're wording but to some women having casual sex might be empowering to them and who am I to say

Julesthat it's not if it maybe has been fundamental on their life Journey if it's taught them about what they want in relationships like who are we to say and discard her experiences I mean I I think we are to say that that's a bad cultural

JamieTrend that doesn't lead women towards success happiness I think it leads women towards depression I already mentioned I think it puts women at risky situations and I think it enables toxic masculinity quote unquote and the patriarchy you're

Liv Margrayallowing men to just use your body um yeah but like I would say we shame women and say oh like it's you're a celebrity must say that but like you're you're doing that like it's bad but then men it's like they say oh like go have 20

Jamiewomen go do this that and then half the time they don't even be wearing protection they're the ones who are giving the STDs I completely disagree with men being promiscuous as well but there there is just the reality that

Jamiewomen can fall pregnant men can't there's a way bigger risk as a woman you are in a biologically we're smaller than men were at a risk when we engage in casual sex that men don't have that same risk and I completely disagree with men

Jamiebeing promiscuous as well but I think for a woman it's even more important we protect our own bodies but I think we should be shaming men as well for for doing it I totally agree and I would shame that goes out and but to say we're

Liv Margrayshaming women for doing that it's like we should be shaming men as well like you know what I mean it's like people are hyping men up to do this but if a woman is with a guy or like how you're in high school or whatever right and then a girl gets caught like with a guy

Jamieor something all everyone's like ew she's a [ __ ] but then the guy doesn't everyone's praising him I think we should encourage a culture where people there's a sacred element to sex between two people who love each other and are

Jamiecommitted to each other and like I said I don't think we should degrade that and I agree with you that I don't think we should be encouraging anybody to be promiscuous men or woman but there's a certain risk that women incur that's more than men which is why I think throughout history there's more of a

Jamiesociety I mean there's still a risk for men with getting STDs and half the time and they aren't using protection and there's risks for men where if you're in a room alone with a woman you don't know and she claims that you raped her and

Jamieshe he she may have he may have not but that's also a risk that men incur as well and vice versa yeah the whole the whole situation I just think is so toxic and horrible for our society it is and also if you think about it then the man

Liv Margraywill have a kid with a woman that he doesn't know and then leaves and then now that baby is growing up with mental issues baby daddy issues trauma which is exactly it's a big problem like what I

Jessicalike kind of dabbled into in my little feminist ways has been the abortion industrial complex and how that's really disproportionately affected women because basically we are telling men

Jessicathat you black women specifically yeah exactly that you can just [ __ ] me it does not matter like because I can go tomorrow and get an abortion and and

Jessicathat not I'm not saying that I disagree with abortion necessarily but I I'm saying that it's something to think about thankfully are allowing men to

Jessicajust say yeah no it's cool like I'll just go get it fixed and then you're left with the emotional trauma and the pain yeah from having that abortion the validation to do that

Jamieand do that the emotional trauma I'm very pro-life because I believe it's such a horrible thing for a woman to kill her own child I think it's against nature I think it's against every single

Jamiething inside of a woman yeah and so that's why it's so important that sex is sacred because there are those implications that men do not have and as women we should be holding men to a higher standard instead of lowering

Julesourselves to theirs yeah we should be leading on that but it's also important to acknowledge where is the man's responsibility and I think that's what when we're talking about feminism as I'll be of course can agree with you

Julesthat there are like you know ways that people can take it to an extreme that's harmful for men you have to acknowledge the flip side and acknowledge where where are men not showing up in that that regard and not taking care of women

Jamiein that regard like we are both the wounder and the wounded thank you baby go ahead go ahead I think women have allowed men to take advantage advantism and I think it's like I said it's brought out the worst of men yeah

Jessicabecause that is the best put under the Skies of like oh I'm empowered because I can make the decision to go and do this but are you really empowered if he's just coming in you and then saying

Jamiebye-bye using your bar yeah and just using your body I don't know if that's a feminism feminist but it's also it's a product of feminism and that's a small Revolution women should

Jamiebe like men yes and Men throughout history have slept around I figured that the sexual Revolution was like the popularization throughout history sexual media more than that's one I would say in general it happened in the 60s and

Jamiethen it's happening now too as well I would argue I guess it's like sex is like media that's what I always think women like we talked about earlier women have different experiences with sex than men do and like I said we should bring men

Jamieto that same level and it should be a sacred Bond I agree okay Point proven I thought you guys wanted to talk more about abortion or some [ __ ]

Liv Margrayyeah personally I feel like a lot of like the the mental issues and things that go on in society nowadays stem from how you're raised and if you're not raised like you said like with like a two-parent household right which is a

Liv Margrayman a man is just having sex with any girl right and then coming in 10 girls or whatever getting them pregnant then not being there for them and not being a good dad those kids are going to grow up without a dad or even without a mom of

Liv Margraycourse what happens but it's mainly the the man that the breakdown of the nuclear family has been one of the worst things for America yeah which is why men should but also I think

TTS/Miscit's you know what where condoms I feel like a lot of us don't wear condoms yeah and that's because you guys literally

TTS/Misclike this 100 okay men being promiscuous is one of the few double standards we get it is insanely harder for men to get laid than women men's privilege to the

Brian Atlasworld is to die for their country while women get to continue hot girls summer yeah I mean I think I think the double standard on that front is Justified frankly I don't think men ought to be

Brian Atlaspromiscuous but I understand for example why it's impressive for a guy to sleep with a lot of women and women are typically looked down upon or shamed if

Brian Atlasthey sleep with a lot of men and that just comes down to the the difficulty with which both of both men and women can get laid it's super women have getting laid and honestly dating on easy

Brian Atlasmode compared to men any girl like girls can get laid super easy whereas like for most guys average guy it's difficult to get laid Yeah it's not like men's are the

Julesgatekeeper of sex yeah women are The Gatekeepers of sex but but also I think it's like you have to look at these situations and how unique they are like somebody for example like

Julesa girl in high school um at a party and some somebody you know she thinks she's drinking something in somebody what are you talking about here I'm just saying that like every situation is different and so to say

Juleslike one person is completely responsible wait like you're saying that women are The Gatekeepers right this is what you were talking about and I was just coming back to what she was saying kind of about how like if we're just

Brian Atlastalking about abortion in general that every situation is really unique that's what I was saying okay but I I we can come back to the abortion thing but what I'm talking about here is the the double standard

Jamiebetween men and women when it comes to the ease with which both of the Sexes can get late or get laid but that shouldn't be the goal to just get laid that's where the whole culture is right it should be to find the person that you

Brian Atlaslove and sure and build a relationship yeah yeah but but I don't think like the the cat is out of the bag um I but I think we can strive to improve our culture and create more of a culture

Brian Atlasthat centers itself in building relationships with people and not having transactional sex I I agree with you idealistically it would be great if we can have a return to more Traditional Values however I

Brian Atlasthink I I think conservatives generally speaking are losing the culture War um we don't have like concern obviously conservatives conservatives don't have

Brian Atlascontrol of the media yeah they don't have control of Academia uh corporations they don't have control of like major uh mainstream news outlets like

Brian Atlasmost most people who are journalists who are reporting on the news tend to be excuse me tend to be left-leaning so um you look at popular culture you look at music you look at movies you look at

Jamiethe Hollywood the entertainment industry it's pretty it's dominated by people who are liberal or liberal yeah I mean every corporation a UC Target putting up Pride

Brian Atlasthings every corporation is trying to Market towards yeah liberals so I I think like but we can't just give up sure but idealistically it would be wonderful if

Brian Atlaswe return to Traditional Values but because of feminism because of the of birth control um it's just changed the Dynamics between men and women

Jamieum so I mean that's I don't think we're gonna unwind so it's like we now have to adapt to the new rule set I don't think that we should do that at all I think like for example I run a women's culture and fashionizing and our whole job is

Jamiethat we're bringing conservative and Christian values into the mainstream and you know talking to women about that there are other choices outside of this like radical feminism that will make your life happier and I think as

Jamieconservatives older conservatives made the mistake of letting the culture just go so far left and you know giving away everything and I think you're now seeing an uprising of people who are fighting back I mean like look at the Bud Light situation we are that's true points that

Jamienow we're finally putting on the board and we can't just like throw in the towel and be like you know I have a daughter and I want to create a better world for her and so I think it's like my duty before I leave the planet to create a better world not just throw in

Brian Atlasthe towel no and I I agree with you there um I just it is I suppose a bit idealistic in so far as and especially related to a Super Chat where he's

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