PSYCHO Troll REFUSES To LEAVE?! Police Come?! Keeko, Bangs, Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #129

Date: 2023-12-20

Duration: 6h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLydia (DT129)>

LLizzy Love (DT129)>

KKitty (DT129)>

AAurora (DT129)>

HHaley (DT129)>

oof gray (DT129)>

PPriya (DT146)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SSophia (DT129)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_02Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Bangs (Anai)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lizzy Love(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_13Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_14of gray(guest)

Key Moments

OtherLydia introduces herself and her taxidermied raccoon

“Lydia reveals she has a censorship-free VR startup; Brian didn't know about raccoon.”

OtherLydia reveals she takes lithium for bipolar type 2

“Brian asks about her medication list; she discloses lithium, asthma inhaler, Claritin. Brian asks 'That's pretty heavy for bipolar?'”

OtherKiko reveals she dated a 28yo when she was 14

“In context of age-gap debate, Kiko discloses she dated a 28yo at age 14. Describes it as a good experience at the time but now recognizes it as 'sick and twisted.'”

OtherAndrew Tate donates $1,000 to the show

“TTS reads: 'Andrew Tate donated $1,000 — congrats on the success of your podcast, will do an episode soon, big 2024.' Panel reacts; Brian pops champagne.”

OtherBrian injures hand attempting to open champagne bottle

“Brian cuts his hand on the champagne cage while trying to open a bottle. Kiko eventually opens it after Brian loosens it.”

OtherAurora and Haley discover they dated parallel toxic exes

“Both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses, were mama's boys, and damaged their cars.”

ControversyLydia snorts powder substance on table and refuses to leave

“Lydia takes out powder (suspected BC powder or medication), snorts it on the table. Brian trespasses her. She refuses to leave. Police called.”

ControversyBrian calls police; Lydia refuses to leave and presses toward Brian

“Brian: 'I have trespassed you, you are now legally trespassing.' Police called; Lydia still refuses. Panelists uncomfortable. One panelist says she wants to leave due to raccoon proximity.”

Otherof gray says she is a fan of the podcast

“of gray tells Kiko she watches the show and yells at the screen; never thought she'd get on. Kiko compliments her looks in person.”

OtherBrian apologizes to panelists for Lydia incident

“Brian apologizes to panelists for the troll incident; Lydia was a plus-one he didn't vet fully. Considered removing by force but avoided liability.”

OtherSelf-rating round begins — Kiko 7.5, Bangs 10, Brian 5

“Stiffler TTS triggers self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Bangs/Anai: 10 ('always'). Brian: 5 (dad bod). of gray: ~5-5.5. Aurora: 8. Kitty: 8.”

OtherBody count round — Aurora reveals 52

“Panel goes around on body counts. Aurora says 52. Anai says 12 (revised from 11). Kitty: 13. Others decline.”

OtherBrian reveals DHS $700,000 ASU study targeting Whatever Podcast

“Brian reads tweet: US DHS paid ~$700k to counterterrorism NGO to suppress manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast on Twitter. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.' 73-page report from Arizona State University / McCain Institute.”

OtherBrian gives final year-end speech for 2023

“Brian recaps 2023: 70M views/month, over $100k in the red at start, DHS hit piece, Vice and NYPost articles, health issues (neck/back). Thanks Nick, Madison (who got pizza in rain), editors, mods, parents, patrons.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation, location). Brian goes around table asking relationship status and longest relationship.

Lydia Troll Incident

Lydia (SPEAKER_06) behaves erratically: brings taxidermied raccoon, claims to be in simulation, takes medications on air, snorts powder substance, refuses to leave after being trespassed. Police called. Arrested ~1:50. Show temporarily goes to intro screen to avoid channel strike. Post-incident discussion and cleanup.

Age Gap Relationships Debate

Extended debate on whether large age gaps in adult relationships (e.g., 18yo + 40yo) are acceptable. Kiko opposes; Andrew Wilson defends. Topics: brain development, power dynamics, voting age consistency, Kiko's experience dating 28yo at age 14.

Aurora's Toxic Relationship Story

Aurora shares story of abusive 3-year relationship with Ukrainian ex (~32yo): broke car window from inside, threatened deportation, stole $4,000, proposed 2 days before breakup. Ex suspected to have drug problem.

Haley & Aurora Parallel Toxic Ex Stories

Haley and Aurora discover they both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses and damaged both their cars.

Sophia Joins Panel / Introduction

Sophia (21, CSU Channel Islands, nanny) joins panel after Lydia's removal. Brian introduces her and gets her background.

Concealed Carry / Dating a Man with a Gun

TTS donation prompts question: 'How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere?' Panel mostly supportive. Discussion of hero complex, California gun laws, and Korea comparison.

Trolley Problem Ethical Dilemmas

Panel works through multiple trolley dilemma variants (Neal's Absurd Trolley Problems). Discussed to lighten mood after Lydia incident.

BDSM & Dominatrix Profession

Kitty's dominatrix work discussed. Debate on what percentage of men are into BDSM. Kitty estimates 45%; Andrew Wilson disputes. New York vs LA BDSM culture compared.

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Stiffler chat donation prompts self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Anai/Bangs: 10. Lydia (already gone): n/a. Kitty: 8. Aurora: 8. Haley: 7. of gray: 5–5.5. Priya: not clearly captured. Sophia: 10 ('mindset'). Brian: 5 ('dad bod'). Anai and Sophia both claim 10.

Feminist Identity & Provider Dynamics

of gray declares herself feminist for the general public but personally traditional. Brian challenges contradiction: wanting provider but wanting equal pay. Discussion of wage gap, mating pressure on men, affirmative action, education system. Panel answers: most prefer provider over 50/50.

Andrew Wilson vs Panel — Feminism & Rights Theory

Andrew Wilson debates of gray and others on rights theory (are rights material or immaterial), gender roles, and hedonism/consequentialism. Extended philosophical debate.

Body Count Discussion & DHS Study Reveal

Panel goes around table on body counts. Aurora: 52. Anai: 12 (previously said 11). Kitty: 13. Haley: declined ('single digits'). of gray: declined (single digits). Brian reveals DHS-funded $700k ASU study targeting manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.'

Year-End Closing Statements

Brian gives year-end speech: 2023 recap (70M views/month), thanks Nick, Madison, editors, mods, parents, patrons. Chilean military uniform explained. Brian announces 3-4 week break; returns ~Jan 21, 2024. Andrew Tate donates $1,000 during show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswomen probably the 18y old that we're trying not today you give your best years you give your best years to arguably the worst men and then by the time you're 30 you're all jaded and

Brian Atlasyou've you've been through a bunch of toxic trashy men which excite you to some degree and you're not satisfied with the otherwise uh let's say good or

Brian AtlasNice Guys so I don't like the term nice guys but you you curve the like guys who would actually give you commitment who would treat you well they don't excite you they're boring you much rather chase

of grayafter the divided attention of some boy or Playboy type of dude honestly my boyfriend he follows a very steady routine um we have a very like scheduled

of grayout you know agenda for the month like we go over it every beginning of the month or end of the month um but that's exciting to me that he's he's he has that

Kikostructured lifestyle and he prioritizes not just his family but also his work and his passion and his friends so that's why he chose you he found someone to that aligned with his with his

of graybeliefs instead of finding someone that was a partyer whatever I'd rather have consistency than that up and down of the bad boys you know like have you ever had that no you've never had that because

of graybecause why would I want to waste my time with someone that can't offer consistency um as well as communication well congratulations you're well adjusted but it's it occurs to me that a lot of women are not mhm and a lot of

Brian Atlaswomen especially when they're young they like chase after these types of dudes that and eventually it's like a lesson you're going to learn I yeah after you've developed you've you've acred like a ton of baggage and Trauma

Brian Atlasthat you're going to unload on the guy who's actually prepared to commit to you and treat you well and then you're going to sabotage you're going to sabotage that relationship you're going to be quarreling and then he's probably not going to excite you in the bedroom cuz

Brian Atlasthat one guy threw you around and talks trash in your ear and you know all that and then and then you're going to you're going to have contempt you're going to have contempt for him he doesn't excite you and then

Bangs (Anai)you're going to divorce him and then I know I'm going my last yeah my last relationship was like very crazy crazy yeah tell us about it tell us about it

Bangs (Anai)my last relationship was very very crazy and I've taken these two years since then to like really focus on myself and be like okay I'm never going to get in a relationship like that I'm never going to act the way that I did like that

Brian Atlasdidn't you what what I do you you've already said this on the show I mean like aren't you part of the equation though in some yeah that's why I said I will never act the way that I did like that I will never that's why I'm taking

Brian Atlasthe time that's what they all say no I'll never do it again because my issues start when I'm in a relationship so why would I be in a relationship wait you two are really close friends right yeah we're best friends besties how long have you

of grayguysman you guys are both up north like from okay that's so cute each other actually live we opposite it's kind of funny I feel like we like a lot oh my gosh it's the it's the Black Cat and

of graygolden retriever except I'm the black gu she's well we we knew question for for both of you have you guys

Bangs (Anai)ever done hood rat together hood rat have you done h r what's an example of that what does that mean you know it when you see it some she she got into a pretty like really

Bangs (Anai)serious relation really serious relationship at a young age and she was like 15 and this the first time she's been like a single woman So Hood R to come

Brian Atlasno no s Sophia seems Sophia seems like like a good person do not do not wouldn't be a bad person do not be a bad influence no degenerous are you have you been trying to convince her to do o is

Kikothat what you're saying no would you I would never very in my own person but liberal in ideology wait con you're conservative yeah like I'm conservative I don't

Brian Atlasreally like to show my body I don't really like to to men but you're you're Lial in your what yeah ideology what do you mean like my opinions are extremely left leaning super left leaning like communist are you a communist no I I

Kikomean more so like social like like liberalism yeah like people should just do whatever they want people should just as long as it's safe and healthy Andrew might come hold on let me hurting anyone

Andrew Wilsonso um I feel like we're like the Opposites conservative your is your is your

Andrew Wilsonstandard for progressivism hedonism what does that mean eism so it's it's self-interest yeah can you ask that in a different like phrase that different oh

Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah so everybody should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else yeah I'm pretty like like liberal

Haleylibertarianism yeah I mean that's very typical self control though it's always nice yeah I would hope so I'm guessing so I'm guessing that uh you believe in

Andrew Wilsonfeminism you think feminism is great women's Liberation blah blah blah right sure okay just want to clarify your position

Andrew Wilsonso as you're walking through this and you think to yourself you think to yourself that it's a good idea to be self-interested do you

Andrew Wilsonthink that you have any greater duties to society or just only a duty to yourself to make yourself happy it depends like to a certain extent as all things

Kikoare if you give me an example then I can answer that but that's super broad yeah I know well it's broad so it should be easy to answer well yeah it's so broad that I don't know what you're referring to in specifics do you have any greater

Kikoduties than to do whatever the you want me personally I feel like I want to be a good person so that I do what is that okay I like to take children I like to be nurturing to the people around me I like to like spend time with my family

Andrew Wilsonthings like that those all sound like self-interest taking care of children how is it a self it's exhausting taking care of someone else's kid how how she feels is what makes it self-interested she does it because they make her feel good okay

Kikothat's fine help other people yeah do you help other people though because it makes you feel good sure why not there split no that's not going work yeah right I mean that would still be you're trying to walk in a trap

Kikoand it's not going to work he said he's trying to say since you help other people for yourself to feel good it's a self interest so okay but most Christians always say that you do good morale things because the Bible told you to so that's of

Andrew Wilsongetting into heaven everything that you do good is an interest of you trying to make it to heaven so that's also a self-interest in a way why does it matter she's also helping other people maybe it could be but whether it is or isn't I'm just trying to figure out what

Andrew Wilsonher position is Kiko that's it want to figure out what she thinks in her head before I even I haven't even given a criticism I'm just trying to find out what she actually trying to figure out she's a

Andrew Wilsonconsequentialist and she believes the best thing that she can do for society is do all the things that make her feel the best about whatever it is that she think that's what makes a good Society you had something really quick go ahead

of grayno yeah like going off of but um Kiko and an said that um Ben he said this Andrew guy is funny he has a handful of words that make him sound smart but it's

of grayeasy okay your boy your boyfriend's not at the table so we're not going to do a I know I just thought it was was funny just because like it's kind of like a roundabout argument okay um here's what's roundabout about it you don't

Andrew Wilsonunderstand Andrew we've gone into circles and circles with you and we've told you so I know you don't answer questions that's exp constantly audio issue you could even answer you could even answer the breakfast question because you can't

Andrew Wilsonengage with hypotheticals nobody's like stuttered here like are you okay like like maybe get a Q-tip no go get guys guys guys guys guys okay hold on but like what you do is you spur and you

Brian Atlasdon't answer the questions hold on okay what was jealous we didn't answer hold on so for you you said that you consider yourself a uh this is for a gray um you're a feminist for the general

Brian Atlaspopulation but I'm personally traditional in my own relationship Dynamic he is the provider and I'm the Homemaker yeah okay so when you say feminist for the general population

of grayfeminist how so you know I believe in egalitarianism I think that uh regardless of gender or gender identity people deserve to have equal rights as

of graywell as the opportunity as well as the same um what is it called entitlement to the Amendments and the rights that we hold as American citizens um and you

of grayknow that's that's just what I believe and women have the right to go out and pursue a career and be paid the same amount as men that do the same career but me personally that's what I was saying me

of graypersonally for my own Dynamic I've always um noticed that I've uh excelled at being a homemaker um I'm very you know good at

of graycooking baking taking care of the person that I love in every way possible like whatever they need okay what the freedom women should have the freedom to have a career option

Brian Atlasthey well they do more second wave feminism they do second second I have a couple questions but I know Andrew you probably have a couple too so um yeah what is a what is a right oh here we go

of graya right I mean that's it it depends on the country that you're in because for in America a right is constituted by the documents that founded this country so

Andrew Wilsonthat's but I'm asking is a right a material thing or an immaterial thing is it just a socially constructed thing or is it something which we actually have innately given to us by something

of graywell when you say innately given to us by something do you would you consider a government as a thing that can give it to someone well government is just force

of grayso you just consider rights to be Force I mean the government enforces the law and it enforces the right for all

of graycitizens to have the right to happiness equality you know freedom of speech um you know you don't have so abent so absent that Force do you have a right

of grayI'm sorry so absent that Force do you have a right different absent of that Force do you have a right um well a society is maintained by government so I

Andrew Wilsonmean if there is no government then I suppose I don't have a quote unquote right because there is no government to enforce that right so then why do you believe in rights if they don't actually objectively exist what you actually

of graybelieve in is force right well why do you believe in rights nope please wait what I'm sorry say that again well why do you believe in rights if they don't

Andrew Wilsonexist I I still didn't hear the question I'm sorry can you hear me okay yeah I can hear you better she she asked what why do you believe in rights yeah don't

Andrew Wilsondon't answer my question with a question answer the question you've been doing that to us the whole time come on no I'll answer your question mine first ask

Andrew Wilsonthe same energy here let me okay let me ask this so I mean you mentioned people when people when you get to the heart of a thing what people always want to do is they want to divert they don't have the answer by asking you a question you can

Andrew Wilsonask me whatever you want and I'll answer whatever you guys ask and I have the entire night never been a direct question that I haven't answered the question but please answer mine why do you believe in something that doesn't objectively exist by your own metrics

of graywhy do you have this belief in it this way I get to the core of what you actually think I did not Define my metrics but I do believe in things that are immaterial such as the presence of a

of graydeity which is my God the Christian God and um that's just me personally something that I believe in if I believe that there is a right despite the force of it then that's just what I believe

Andrew Wilsonand is that what you believe that your rights are deity given they're not deity given they're societally given okay well then why did you bring

Andrew Wilsonup a deity I don't I don't asking figure out asking asking if I can believe in something that's immaterial that's that's not like in front of me

Andrew Wilsonphysically so yes I do believe in something that's not in front of me visibly yeah but it but that's not a right right you don't believe in a right which isn't physically there you believe in a deity which isn't physically there

Andrew Wilsonfine I'll Grant you the de you believe in that's not physically there but you don't actually believe in rights then you believe in force ultimately right no I believe in rights I believe in the

Andrew Wilsonright to freedom of speech I mean there are so many what the point where we're going because it gets to the heart of feminism which is actually about enforcement not about rights

Andrew Wilsonbecause you guys said that you think that women have X amount of Rights and that those rights uh should be given to all women so when we get down to it are we talking about something which is an immaterial subjective metric or are we talking about Force that's why I'm

Kikoasking these question W immaterial if at that time that men had the right to do it and woman didn't so it was written down it was that's what they were fighting against yeah Great Piece paper

Andrew Wilsonthe piece of paper's there the words are written on the piece of paper those things exist objectively but the right that you're actually enforcing is it really just force that we're talking about or is it something else is there

of graysomething else tangible outside of force that makes a right a right when you refer to right can you

Andrew Wilsonspecify what you mean and well I Define a right as being an entitlement absent Duty it's like a right to vote right yeah that would be an entitlement absent Duty you don't have to vote so you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying if you want to there's no duty to do so but you could do it if you chose to so the right to vote is a force of well it's not force it would be an entitlement absent Duty there would just

Andrew Wilsonbe that the force P portion would be the enforcement that you can do it okay so what's so it's bad that women wanted the enforcement that they could be make a claim about it being bad or good right now I'm just trying to figure out what you guys get your point what your point

Andrew Wilsonis well we're just trying to figure what your point is I have some I have some questions we can get into why my point is this here oh my gosh the keep oh my gosh

Brian Atlasfre hash free theor I got a couple questions okay so I mean I asked you feminist how how for the general population you mentioned women should be

Brian Atlaspaid equally but you also want to be provided for question do you pay any rent do you do you live with your boyfriend

of graywell when I was living by myself I paid rent but now he provides and I take care of him so you live at his apartment or you have an apartment together um we

Brian Atlashave a cabin and two apartments you have two and does he pay for all of them I'm sorry yes he pays for everything Brian he yeah he pays for everything okay he

Brian Atlaspays for everything um does he pay for trips yes does he pay for food yes okay um now now do you think there's a fair

Brian Atlasamount of women who also want that the same thing that also want a provider sure okay well I'll go around the table

Brian Atlason this um so going around the table do you want 50-50 or do you want a guy to be a provider um I think I want to be a stay- at home mom so probably provider

Haleyprovider provider I just want a partner into the mics guys partner um 50/50 50/50 into the mics uh uh uh sorry uh

Brian Atlaspartner I want provider I would love to be a stay-at-home mother a provider because my role is as a as a homemaker okay a provider okay so pretty much

Brian Atlaseveryone here except for was it one just maybe two of you 5050 we're fine with 50/50 um so you mentioned like the this inequality when it comes to to money

Brian Atlasright the wage gap which has been debunked based off of just your answers now there's a a whole bunch of factors that go into the wage gap for example men work more dangerous jobs they're more likely to work overtime they're

Brian Atlasmore likely to relocate they're more they work more hours uh they go into different fields than women and that's all choice right these are choices that people make uh one of the big things

Brian Atlasthat occurs to me on this whole like wage Gap thing and oh women should make the same amount of money as men and why is it that men occupy all these positions of power and the top paying

Brian Atlasjobs and the you know the uh the SE Suite when it comes to corporations you know executive jobs so forth could it be given all of your answers here that you want a

Brian Atlasprovider that men have a mating pressure on them a very real mating pressure that does not exist in women so if there's a if there's like a large cohort of women

Brian Atlasagain some women are okay with 50/50 I don't know what the exact breakdown is maybe it's 40% 50% 60% of women want a guy to be a provider they want a soul

Brian Atlasbread winner then wouldn't that on its own explain why men occupy these top positions of power why they make more

Brian Atlasmoney than women because there's a pressure on them from women that that same pressure does not exist on any of you any of you can find a guy and

Brian Atlasprobably that guy will not give a about your career like he won't really factor in the money that you're bringing to the relationship like so we don't represent the

Brian Atlasfemale right but I said even if it's even if it's 20% of women want a provider and all the other women want 50% that is St statistically significant

Brian Atlasenough to put enough pressure on men to be more motivated and more inclined to be providers to go make a ton of money to go out and Conquer and conquest

Brian Atlasand get those uh top Echelon positions in society in addition to just the money women are also attracted to status so powerful men men at the top echelons of

Brian AtlasCorporations government women are attracted to status men don't really care about status so I mean I I think that kind of it's it's just your your whole the reason I'm bringing it up you're making this point of feminist for

Brian Atlasthe general population but I'm P personally traditional um you can't have this like massive push for like men and women need to make the exact same amount of money but I'll only date a guy who

Brian Atlasmakes more money than me but the wage Gap but also I like High status men with good paying jobs and I want him to be the sole bread winner if in your if there's enough women that are putting

Brian Atlasthis mating pressure on men then of course men are going to go out and we are going to inevitably end up in those high-paying jobs and we're going to take

Kikothe positions of power we're the patriarchy you act like both of those things can't can't coexist at the same time though we could have women who want to be CEOs and then how men are the CEOs

KikoI get your point of like what you're trying to make but if anything bless you I think it has more to do with still overcoming parts of History not saying that women are allowed to run for those positions but they're still getting out

Kikoof the mindset of where they believe that they can men are more motivated to get broadly speaking generally speaking I don't know about men more why are most women why are more

Brian Atlaswomen in higher education because because feminism has rigged the game they it's rigged the system to basically all through even if you you look at how they've rewired I I don't know the specifics on this maybe Andrew has

Brian Atlassomething on this how they've kind of changed to some degree how education is done starting even at the kindergarten level to sort of p i don't know if

Brian AtlasPander is the right word but to uher C yes cater to the more female way of learning and there's there's all kinds of uh what I can't nothing's occurring

Brian Atlasto me that I can give you an example people with like ADHD and stuff like doesn't help people I can answer this actually affirmative action for example for since 1979 there's been more women

Brian Atlasgoing to college and graduating from college that's that's almost uh so that's what 40 40 plus years more women have been going to college than men we've done this through affirmative action there's more scholarships for

Kikowomen okay more scholarships for women women can conform clom than men I don't think that it's like the school systems rigged for women I think that women can

Kikojust conform to it better I mean there cly are like better I mean you don't really pin or you pin what like ADHD you get like underdiagnosed with women because women can just kind of deal with it Mas well I

Brian Atlasmean there's there's when it comes sure when it I mean but when when it comes to that I mean you have a certainly an over representation of women when it comes to

Brian Atlasuh Elementary School uh teachers and typically so women have a ingroup bias for for women uh I think it's more of like social like I don't know just

Brian Atlasbetter adapting to like social environments well I and I also think men need to or boys you know they've I don't know I I'm not super privy to this but I

Brian Atlasthink boys probably need more breaks to like go out and do PE but it's uh I I don't think honestly I don't think anyone

Brian Atlasis is meant to sit in a chair and listen to somebody else speak for like 9 hours I could be wrong on that one but I think I think school education its purpose is

Brian Atlasto basically prepare you to be a good worker drone a worker slave okay sit here shut up listen do what you're told do this task um so America and China have the longest

Kikoschool days most schools in other countries are only four to 6 hours and then God forbid they even teach us anything we need to know but it's just so interesting we only have school because people need to go to work wait oh going around the table on

Aurorado you consider yourself a feminist no yeah yeah no no not in the sense that's being spoken

Kikouh at this podcast blue this new W yeah yes yeah I'm an anti-feminist I think that's a little

Brian AtlasB wouldn't go that far for my person an an you said you want a provider Sophia you said you wanted a provider right so how do you reconcile being a femin hold on let me let me ask

Brian Atlasthe question I'll ask you again though how do you reconcile being a feminist but also expecting a guy to be a provider and pay for everything and pay for First Dates just because I want

Bangs (Anai)everybody to have Equity doesn't mean I can't have a provider it it's like I don't I'm not saying like oh every woman should label themselves as a feminist

Bangs (Anai)I'm not like this what she said like a blue haired feminist like I very much like I guess there's there that stere type that feminists like oh they don't

Bangs (Anai)shave they don't do they don't they're not submissive but yes they can be and I feel like we're both like that when you say Equity yes what do you what do you

Andrew Wilsonwhen you say Equity what do you mean by Equity you say we can we can have Equity even though I have a provider and I'm not doing the providing what's Equitable there but you don't have to provide to

Kikomake a relationship equal yeah so what value placed on myself by like oh I want to raise children or cook dinner at night for my husband that can also be

Kikolike providing a what about that is Equitable though that it should be the same value should be placed on both you need both to like have a nice running household yeah it's like so do you think that the value of the woman raising

Bangs (Anai)children is equal to the value of the man working yes children are very exhausting okay if um she babysits I was babysitting for for a while I still kind of do babysit do you know how much a

Bangs (Anai)babysitter gets paid a lot of money about an hour no how more much much more do you say 12 bucks an hour it's way more than that plus I

Bangs (Anai)get paid I would get paid extra for cleaning um I would help a lot in the households that I was working in do you think the woman is getting paid for that no that is hours and hours of unpaid labor that's why when you have two

Kikofull-time working people who have two fulltime demanding jobs they usually have what a nanny they have to pay someone to do those jobs that the woman can no longer do because that mother is working a full-time job by raising those

Bangs (Anai)they were babysitting those children how old were they babies and all ages actually I've Babys set so many ages and as children get older they need less and less attention correct that's a

Haleyterrible what do you mean what do you mean no with that for 18 years you think a 12y old there's obiously a time where your parents like started letting Home

AuroraAlone still you need to be taken care of you need to be taught you need to like have guidance and life yeah but you're sending your kid off to a public school you're not teaching teager needs guidance and needs a parent yeah and do

Andrew Wilsonget guidance get a parent put you Outsource most of it by sending off to public scho most hang on let me finish for most of the day you send the child off to a public school what work are you really putting

Kikoin as an example right Andrew so I want to have at least like three kids right about four years apart so I might have one kid in full school but I'm still going to have one kid that needs to be home right you might have a kid that's sick one day you might have a kid that you're taking this kid to soccer

Kikopractice at this time and then taking up to field trip at this time and then I want to be like a the mom that's like the not not PTO yeah the PTA mom so I'm going to be there I want to be making lunch in the cafeteria for my kids I going taking them on their field trips

Kikoyeah that's not it doesn't just stop once your kid reaches kind garden and also you have multiple kids I have multiple my kids are going to be doing a lot of do to do with my point

Andrew Wilsonthey they do require L as they get older you don't neglect children once they get to school age you don't stop taking care of your kids that's not my point let me reiterate it one more time children

Kikorequire less attention the older they get yes no I don't agree if you're being a good parent then no maybe they're out of my house once they're out of my house

Andrew Wilsonor 18 but no you none of you none of you have none of you have children we they need more you think that's the stupid say that you can't have an opinion on a kid unless

Bangs (Anai)you have your own kid we were all kids we all experienced Tri not that long ago I'm sorry you being a teenager was like years and years and decades and decades ago but we were teenagers like what years ago sorry raised teenagers what

Andrew Wilsonare you talking about lady listen seem you rais far more an infant obviously requires far more attention than a 12-year-old sometimes that's not even

Kikotrue they take naps for so you can't leave a baby but but you want to say overall yes saying overall I know but yeah but you could have a perfect baby right he could be the blessing they sleep through

Kikothe night everything and then or what if they need they you realize when they're older that they had autism and you weren't dealing with it you could have a child forever what if you have a child with special needs have nothing he's bring well what if a

Kikometeorite came out of the sky and hit somebody we're not talking about extreme outliers a difference because the man has to go forever and the woman oh once the kid up it's not the same amount of work and effort but that's not true all the time you never know you can't just

Andrew Wilsonsay that going for the extreme outlier every do you think generally speaking that an infant requires more attention

Kikothan a 12-year-old okay so what are you doing the hold on hold on just answer the question how hard could this be question what do you do in the summer then what do you do in the summer then so um I'm going to have that 12-year-old the whole summer right I'm going to have that baby the whole

Andrew Wilsonsummer right I'm going to have that 10-year-old the whole summer answer the question I already answered it three times I said no I said no I said no like three times I think that's three times that you're delusional so you're three times

Andrew Wilsonas delusional as you heard the first time he said it how could you possibly believe that an infant requires less attention than a 12-year-old

Andrew Wilson13-year-old you're sending the 13 14year old off the 12-year-old off to a public school for 8 to 10 hours a day8 to 10 hours a day

Andrew Wilsonthe hours they can't even respond with their needs you have to anticipate what their needs are they can't ver communicate with you they can't even tell you what they need say say you do

Bangs (Anai)send the kid off to school or whatever okay how long is school till 12 or for most kids and then if they're four five six years old 12 yeah like 12 if they're like 4 years old that's like the

Bangs (Anai)earliest you can send them to a public school school it like gets out at 12:00 okay you pick them up pizza you have you have okay and then what the other kid gets out at 1 babysitter usually both

Bangs (Anai)parents are working right no not if not a lot of what point is this that was the whole point the whole point the whole point here what we're talking about is that the woman is staying home and is is

Bangs (Anai)the one the te the caretaker of the children and aty back home let me finish because you're actually piss pissing me off because you don't know how to just shut

Bangs (Anai)up and listen to the girls like you you're been talking you think you're this man that can just interrupt us and it's getting annoying like just shut up nobody gives a what you think you stupid

Brian AtlasSK how old are you talking to a 21y old bangs Andrew bangs put your swords away put your you

Andrew Wilsonare same I did with MLD you're intimidated just listen to the girls the girls don't even make any sense this one girl over here just got

Andrew Wilsondone telling me that an infant when it comes to an infant they require less atten never said less I I never said L God damn and said it three times

Brian Atlasmade sure to say no three times okay moving on moving on that was that was eventful that was an eventful conversation disappointed actually going

Brian Atlasback to of gray over here uh my final thoughts on the whole of gray of gray like of gray of like o f but make it sound like a v a little bit I don't know

of grayyou should maybe maybe you should change your fictional it was actually o f it was actually o f gray and people thought that had an only fan so I had of gr just

Brian Atlassay of gr cool story um so okay I just I the whole like feminist but for for the general population but I'm personally traditional in my own relationship

Brian Atlasrelationship Dynamic it's like modernity when it benefits you and tradition when it benefits you so typically the way that looks is modernity for women tradition for men men have to adhere to

Brian Atlastheir traditional gender roles while you guys can continue being modern women dressing provocatively doing sex work doing sex work okay first of all she's saying that she literally Lally understands that not everybody wants

Brian Atlaswhat she has some people want that let her talk cuz you're not listening to what she's saying she said it like multiple times and you aren't understanding it no but it's it's hard for me to wrap my head around it because

Brian Atlasit's like jealous want to stop ke let me finish you want to be a modern woman when it benefits you and you want tradition when it benefits you who are

Kikoyou referring to all y'all sort of kind I said I still I would still be traditional I would but you said you're like super Progressive and they understand that they want that but those three right there said i' I

Kikocan fix you no you can't I'm extremely stubborn wait what I'm extremely stubborn you cannot I can I can correct your path I like I think that everything's like people just do their own thing if you

Kikowant to be a certain religion be a certain religion whatever I never said said I wouldn't be traditional I literally said my job is like raising I day I can be with like my children over

Bangs (Anai)I was Raising Ian yeah I was basically raising children until I came on to this podcast who made you were not raising children uh yes you don't know what the I

Bangs (Anai)was kids not raising children you don't know what the I was doing you don't know what the I was doing so who the are you to say that aming children I can't wait to hear so me I yeah

Kikoterrible I'm sorry I didn't know

Brian Atlasthat all right all right we get it nanes and babysit I was literally getting called Mom I was getting called Mom give me the Mallet give me the judge Mallet hold okay listen everyone can we

Brian Atlasplease yield to Brian when he you guys got sure you guys got having a great time I've got my judge Mallet here so if I slam on this y'all

Kikoshut the up okay I need y'all order order been on here like nine times never seen

Kikothis to answer your question what's the costume what order in the toxic podcast Studio toxic podcast what's the

of graywhat's the fit about do you like it no I think it it could be better colors blue and yellow so I will tell you guys I will tell you guys what

Brian Atlasthis Con costume is uh you can bring bring Andrew back bring bring him back okay there's the Mallet this is a Chilean military uniform why do you have it let's just

Brian Atlassay I've got connects listen I'm a I'm a well traveled man I'm a well-traveled man I've you know I've been to South America

Brian Atlasand um I could now that I have this though I'm actually I'm probably barred I'm probably I probably can't go to Chile because because you actually it's only only the military is supposed to yeah how'd you

Brian Atlasget it I traffic you probably I'm kid um so this is a Chilean military uniform Chile it's a country in South South I don't know I'm just some people don't know

Brian Atlasthey might think that's in the Middle East somewhere um who knows uh God now you might be wondering Brian it looks a little bit like a sort of more a

Brian AtlasPrussian uniform excuse me I know I will say though that Chile starting in the early 1900s maybe even the late

Brian Atlas1800s their military was very influenced by the Prussian uh style of military dress and the way that they kind of

Nick (producer)organized their military1 donated $200 oh Andrew I saw in the comments five kids in what are you doing respect homeschool kids are always the weirdest wait you can

Brian Atlaskids are the best but you know babysit is equivalent raing guess so going to agre here you

of graysaid your question you said how how can you want to be traditional but then want for other women to have the equality of wage and opportunities as let me add to

Brian Atlasthat asking sort of but like so one of the big pushes when it came to feminism yes we can talk about like rights bestowed upon you by the government and equal access to various things and the

Brian Atlasability to work although it's not clear to me like to the degree to which women were barred from the workforce and just certain biological realities throughout history and the fact you know there

Brian Atlasthere's there's a whole bunch of things there but even like one of the big pushes that feminism does it's like let's do away with gender rules gender rules are a bad thing men and women are

Brian Atlasthe same that's a big push from feminism so that's where I get confused because it's like okay um we shouldn't view women in these sorts of ways

Brian Atlasand you can say it's all about just the from the government down when it comes to rights and stuff but a big feminist push was we need to view women not even

Brian Atlasfrom a a legal perspective but from like a societal perspective as in in XYZ ways but we haven't changed that for men like for example I if you want true equality

Brian Atlasthere would be for example a push for women to in a dating context for women to be initiators for women to make the first move for women to be willing and prepared to pay for the first date a

of graybiological reason that that's not the case though you're putting yourselves In Harm's Way a lot of the time wait what well now that I know you're asking you know how common like date rape is what the now sorry I didn't mean to say that word but okay go ahead with is go ahead

of graywith your point now that I know what you're asking um I think it is absolutely Poss possible for people to be in the same universe as those that want uh traditional roles and

of graythose that might want untraditional roles and it has nothing to do with quote unquote biological differences you as you were saying which I understand that there are biological differences between men and women absolutely there

of grayare but I'm just saying that that wouldn't impact my decision making because in my opinion and I say this with emphasis in my opinion okay hold on

of grayI no no no say say your opinion then I got go ahead no go ahead no no no go ahead in your opinion go ahead in my opinion I think that women are capable

of grayof both homemaking as well as being able to provide for a family if they so wanted to if they have the proper education to um but that was also something that was granted to women later on in here let me ask you guys a

Brian Atlasquestion hold on I'm going to ask you a question so those of who said that men should be providers and men should you you'd want

Brian Atlasa guy to pay for you on the first date will you take your husband's last name I will hyp anate yes yes what yes I

Lydiawill take my yeah I want my family have all the one last name so no hyphenation no okay oh if I get married absolutely hold on absolutely you'll hyphen it like no

Brian Atlasoh I'll absolutely take his last name okay yeah I would take it yeah the the microphone could be closer but um yeah yes I will be taking my husband's last

Haleyname all right okay well just you I'm about the family unit I would have been down but my mom did that and my parents ended up getting divorced I'm just going to drop my middle name here um I have a

Brian AtlasAndrew do you have do you have anything on this on the on this on on which on which topic like the the feminist but also traditional things

Andrew Wilsonyeah well it's it's always curious to me that's why I was kind of drilling in earlier on the idea of Rights so when you're talking about feminism kind of you should make a notation that most men

Andrew Wilsonalso in the United States couldn't vote uh almost no men could uh suffrage was something which came later was not a foundational principle and I'm trying to figure out why it is that you think

Bangs (Anai)women's Liberation is so great why do you think feminism is awesome because they got us here to where it is to where we are now men did and yeah but good for

of graywhyis why why do so many women decision today about not having equal rights to Men I'm not complaining we're not saying that we're complaining we're saying that we're we

Andrew Wilsonare in have that conversation with a different type of feminist feminist that's not what they are so no no I think it's the same type of egalitarian principle so I think the

Andrew Wilsonfirst and second wave led to the third and fourth wave and that the principles are in essence the same so I don't think that there's this massive distinction between fourth and third wave feminism

Andrew Wilsonto first and second I don't think that it's just about voting I think it's about a move towards this these kinds of egalitarian principles which I largely reject I think most of the feminists

Kikothat I know are more of like we don't see I don't see myself as equal to a man I know obviously he's stronger than me and there's a lot of differences between us biologically it's more so that women want the option if they want to have

Kikotheir own education or be by themselves or go 50/50 they that's what they that's the whole point is just to have that option because before you had no choice but to get married and have kids with a man and then if it went South there was

Andrew Wilsonno Escape for women that's what most women are when they think Escape for women like this is this is the bad she could be by herself and get divorced and none of that's true this is the bad part

Bangs (Anai)of femin propa so many times when I've been on this podcast when they ask me like oh like what does a fe like feminist mean to you it means doing whatever the you want to do without society that sounds right without

Bangs (Anai)Society without Society being like okay well you're not a traditional woman you're a cat crazy cat lady no that like I don't want to be I don't want anybody to have that right you want to just be able to do whatever

Kikothe you want yes period thank you Andrew you finally H there are consequences to your actions though there are consequences to your that suffers those consequences is the person

Bangs (Anai)that does the after exactly ex yeah exactly my consequences what what is my consequence for like defining myself as a feminist well it's not just the

Lydiafeminist label it's having how do I say this if you are about like the sexual Liberation thing and having multiple like all these Partners there are consequences to that you're it's just

Bangs (Anai)yeah it leads towards she actually is making a good point here this leads towards societ Decay that's it's not my business what other people do with their body if they want not me personally I wouldn't be sleeping around but if

Bangs (Anai)another person wants to be sleeping around and call it Liberation then to hell with that they can do whatever the they want to do I'm nobody to be like oh well you're a for wanting to sleep with 10,000 people what

Kikowhat's wrong if somebody does call them that why is that problematic in your world viiew because mean yes thank you Andrew so for me I don't care if they called a but just Sol any issu like you're a yes

Bangs (Anai)you're a that's a it is they social shaming and social stigma solves issues it's not going to Sol it solves nothing solv tons of problems what are you talking about let me ask you what do

Bangs (Anai)you gain from coming on here and calling me a skank do you gain anything do you get a little p on the back part of the way so what happens is what you have to do unfortunately in the modern society that

Andrew Wilsonyou're dealing with where there's tons of Decay is when somebody hits you you have to hit them back harder that's the way it generally seems to work unfortunately now if you had behaved yourself been a good girl I wouldn't have

Andrew Wilsonhad I you but instead you had to mouth off and be a so I just kind of talk to you like I talk to you right that's that's how it works let's not insult guys let's not insult people not insult people he got

Kikoup here and called no that's what I'm saying moms Against Drunk Driving dumb broads what yeah they were being drum rods when they did that I'm going to tell you something okay GRE mothers GRE you're coming from

Bangs (Anai)a you're coming from a place of great insecurity no it just it sucks cuz you have some good beh like yeah I've never met an adult I work for men that are probably the same age probably even younger than you and I've never had them

Andrew Wilsoncall me a dump gank that's my whole problem they treat me with respect and I've never me finish me finish societal stigma existed then women would have much better behavioral

Bangs (Anai)patterns in society that's what I didn't behave the way you wanted me to behave I am therefore a skank that to you that makes sense in your head your frontal

Bangs (Anai)lobe is fully developed sir the fact that Liberation call 21y girl anything else you're calling a 21-year-old girl a skank like take are you going to call

Bangs (Anai)your 21y old daughter a would you like it if a man called a man called your 21-year-old daughter a skank do you think that's the way if she was being a skank it would be the best corrective reason in the head in the

Andrew Wilsonhead you are not a good father and your children are going to blow up to hate you it just sucks cuz you sometimes do have some good friends but when you talk like this to people they will never have children who are older than you they

Lydiadon't hate me sorry you could have you could say the most intelligent thing's trying to help you guys trying to help me by not call me aape to wake you up well the problem is you've been as combative as you can possibly be if I

Andrew Wilsonhit back you cry it's like where's your feminism where's your why you whine instead why don't you have a nice productive debate instead of whining incessantly because you're over

Brian Atlashere getting insults and G the gavel has come down I've I've stricken the gavel okay than you all right there we

Kikogo nice he needs a little smoke break Andrew we we'll give you a smoke break giv Andre a smoke break indoors are you indoors where your parents he's chain smoking actually

Brian Atlashere's the reality Andrew used to never smoke before he came on the whatever podcast but it's so stressful for him to be having these kinds of conversations believe that I actually I might have to start smoking too do you work out of a

Andrew Wilsonstudio or are you smoking inside the house where you're he smokes inside cuz he's a g i smoking right next to my kids I bloa in their faces I wouldn't doubt it now

Kikothat's good parenting all right please someone cut that one up all right cut that and put that on Tik Tok God fearing man like I just I I get your point with some things he goes over to the Cradle

Kikohe goes over to the Cradle after he robs it puts his cigarette out on him who it was a joke it was kidding I it was handed to

Brian Atlasme my mom accidentally put a cigarette out okay okay okay avra you said you made a Tinder mistake tell us about your Tinder mistake is pizza on the way

of grayoopsie um yeah is the pizza coming Pizza Pizza no so cute I love you okay also Papa John's just answer

of graythe sh he totally took over that was a part of move I love Shaq who is that your Papa John's who is Shaq um what's the question your Tinder mistake can you tell us about mistake

of grayyes so one of my friends convinced me to download Tinder um and in the first hour I got like 9900 likes maybe so I just deleted the whole thing like I'll never

of graygo on a dating app again I used to be on Bumble friends and and hinge and mostly I was on there just to like find people

of graywho were in um eldering and uh League of Legends because like Bumble friends um but yeah never go on to dating up again

Brian Atlasso you downloaded Tinder you got over 900 likes in the first hour and you said it was too overwhelming for you so then you just deleted it and you didn't go on any dates I'm assuming from the day uh I

of grayI did go on I think three dates tind Bumble oh from Bumble but um I actually did split 50/50 like I I was never I even offered every single time because like they're they're putting in the same

of grayamount of effort I would say as I am like they got ready so did I uh they're we're both investing our own time so you know even though I am looking for a provider personality I respect that

Brian Atlaswe're both putting in the effort to reach out to other people and make those connections okay going around the table on this have you guys had similar experiences on dating apps where you Tinder for example or any dating app

Brian Atlasthat you've been on you download it and almost instantly you're just flooded with uh likes and matches oh yeah yeah I

Brian Atlasfeel like that's all girls yeah sorry you have you been on dating apps yeah recently recently after after your recent breakup yeah wait which was one again maybe two weeks ago maybe like a

Brian Atlasweek and a half oh this is wait question you broke up with him wait he broke up with you or you broke up with him I broke up with him you broke up with him okay oh two weeks ago you said probably I don't remember have you talked to him

Brian Atlassince no okay good for you I have cut communic a lot of people do this like breakup thing but they keep talking that's not was a really long relationship it's kind of something you can't like so but you have to fully oh wait hold on how long have you been how

Brian Atlaslong were you dating him 3 years was it probably longer longer than 3 years yeah and you when did you download the dating app right like immediately after you guys split yeah like a couple

Kikodays oh you can do split or no I don't think you can do split on this um 3 days so like foure relationship 10 it was like a long process I would

Kikohonestly say sorry I would honestly say we probably broke up like much before that but we were still like hanging out and like kind of dating and then it was kind of like okay I need to just like cut it off yeah yeah so it was like a longer process than that I see okay yeah

Kikoyou've already gone through the after breakup kind of process yeah I was almost like already going through that like with him so T so you've been on Tinder have you gone on any dates no but you've gotten like bombarded with is it

Brian Atlasjust Tinder any other dating apps no just just Tinder how many matches do you think you've gone in the couple week is very few very few yeah oh that's because you you're picky you're not swiping all okay gotcha what about you have you had

Lydiathat experience on dating apps just opposite uh because I was brutally honest on the last time I had a dating profile um because my boyfriend and I are we kind of started weird like we

Lydiaweren't together we were just living together okay but uh it became more like official that we are exclusive with each other cuz we've never slept with anybody

Lydiaelse since 2020 but I still was like the way I phrased it was on hinge I said uh this was my profile the gist cam girl who's in love with her roommate and just seeing if there's anyone out there that

LydiaI like and the because men are reasonable they're like nope nope good for them they should they should not be into that men aren't reasonable no they are they are in the country reasonable

Lydiathe country when it comes to dating apps country men who are out where I live they're they're ranchers they they're stuff like that so they're they're they're men they're reasonable but at the same time the ones that were

Lydiainterested in me still was the ick Factor like why why that's gross like why would you want me that's disgusting like I'm in love with my roommate so uh was a lose L this is I'm confused um so

Brian Atlasthat's current boyfriend that the roommate that's you met him on Tinder no we met through mutual friends have you had that experience on dating apps you get on a dating app almost instantly you've got like a hundred likes matches

Haleyyeah but I hate dating apps not a fan what about you yeah I've had that but I I don't like dating UPS either can you scoot your mic like to the edge of the table go ahead yeah I keep yes overwhelmingly so sorry John if you see

Haleythis the guy I'm just recently seen honestly um I just happened to open his message first and was way too overwhelmed with the other matches and just went on the date and didn't even when I and I'm when I'm giving my

Haleyattention to a guy it's only going to be one guy it will never be shared so even if it's just a one date I'm not going to be spending time on that um yeah so so definitely overwhelming on there well we

Brian Atlasknow you had 900 matches in the first hour just delet it after that priia have you had that experience on dating apps no no dating apps oh you've never been on the dating app okay good for you good

Brian Atlasfor you uh yeah that shit's crazy so I mean women have dating on easy

Bangs (Anai)mode thoughts I'm not sure if those people want to just danger Factor up or they I was going to say it's like men they're so worried about like am I going to have to pay today when it's

Bangs (Anai)like when you're the woman and then you're like putting on physically disadvantaged yeah and then you're like I I mean I'm not thinking about paying on the first day I'm thinking about my safety I'm putting my location on put it

Bangs (Anai)on for my friend sending them outfit videos making sure they know what I'm wearing in case I get kid really sucks yeah it's like men don't really have to worry about

Brian Atlasthat but it's like our life is might be easier but violence in a dating con like that's pretty rare it's okay but here it is we can talk about these like you know

Brian Atlasyou're going to say that violence more violent attacks happen to no that's not well that's true but that's not what I'm really trying to get at I'm like trying to have a conversation about dating and you guys want to take it to like well

Brian Atlascuz the the reality the reality percentage wise women aren't so frous do do you think like most First Dates like what percentage of First Dates do you think the the woman is being assaulted

Brian Atlasin some way oh it's low it's low it's got to be very low but it's not worth having a conversation over it's not even Worthen not not not here I'm not I'm not saying hold on stop stop stop I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that's a good thing and sure we can have those conversations but like I'm trying to have a conversation about like the the more generalized dating meta and if we can if you guys want to talk about well women we have like no

Brian Atlaswhen when I'm saying women have dating on easy mode like I'm like I'm removing these like scenarios where there's some sort of like criminal component your

Brian Atlasquestion is okay women can get dates easier bro it's so you you got that sh on easy mode it's like literally on recruit mode maybe but you already said

Kikothat men hold the key to dating dates no you said that you said that earlier so what I've said was that we hold the key to sex and you guys hold the key to dating to some degree although I would

Brian Atlasargue for I would actually argue that for Mo like so I think it often goes women hold women uh women are the Arbiters of sex and Men wom Rel women

Brian Atlascontrol access to sex men access to relationships now I actually I'm not entire like really hold on let me finish really attractive I would say maybe like

Brian Atlastop tier really attractive dudes they obviously are going to because there's a lot of women like chasing after relationships with really attractive dudes and they're those chicks are never going to get it I would say though for

Brian Atlasthe average dude he uh when when it comes to his dating prospects he's probably going to be not have control in that realm either woman's still going to have control I

Kikothink in that in that realm what I say to that is maybe you should teach all the men watching your podcast to stop sleeping with every woman they see then and if you guys cuz we if you're saying that we hold the key or the Arbiters of

Brian Atlassex you guys could easily be that by not sleeping with every woman you see no but that's a very it's a very small it's a very small proportion of men that are able to do that no I'm no no no you're

Brian Atlasyou're saying that you're saying that like okay if all guys could all women they would but the reality is is most men are not attractive enough to do that would they that's not I think find the one that's willing to no matter how

Kikothey're attractive level they'll find a woman that's either less attractive or who's just easier to sleep with if they have the goal of sleeping with a woman that night not saying it always hold

Brian Atlason onig here's here's the reality any woman if she's so inclined can be a not every man can be a they can no

Kikomy my friends my the uglier my guy friend the bigger they are literally it's like they have to prove they have to prove something to themselves the shorter the shorter and

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