PSYCHO Troll REFUSES To LEAVE?! Police Come?! Keeko, Bangs, Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #129

Date: 2023-12-20
Duration: 6h 33m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Priya(guest)
SPEAKER_02Aurora(guest)
SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)
SPEAKER_04Bangs (Anai)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_06Lydia(guest)
SPEAKER_07Lizzy Love(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Kitty(guest)
SPEAKER_13Sophia(guest)
SPEAKER_14of gray(guest)

Key Moments

00:04:07
OtherLydia introduces herself and her taxidermied raccoon

Lydia reveals she has a censorship-free VR startup; Brian didn't know about raccoon.

00:16:00
OtherLydia reveals she takes lithium for bipolar type 2

Brian asks about her medication list; she discloses lithium, asthma inhaler, Claritin. Brian asks 'That's pretty heavy for bipolar?'

00:47:00
OtherKiko reveals she dated a 28yo when she was 14

In context of age-gap debate, Kiko discloses she dated a 28yo at age 14. Describes it as a good experience at the time but now recognizes it as 'sick and twisted.'

01:03:22
OtherAndrew Tate donates $1,000 to the show

TTS reads: 'Andrew Tate donated $1,000 — congrats on the success of your podcast, will do an episode soon, big 2024.' Panel reacts; Brian pops champagne.

01:05:05
OtherBrian injures hand attempting to open champagne bottle

Brian cuts his hand on the champagne cage while trying to open a bottle. Kiko eventually opens it after Brian loosens it.

01:27:40
OtherAurora and Haley discover they dated parallel toxic exes

Both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses, were mama's boys, and damaged their cars.

01:44:27
ControversyLydia snorts powder substance on table and refuses to leave

Lydia takes out powder (suspected BC powder or medication), snorts it on the table. Brian trespasses her. She refuses to leave. Police called.

01:46:12
ControversyBrian calls police; Lydia refuses to leave and presses toward Brian

Brian: 'I have trespassed you, you are now legally trespassing.' Police called; Lydia still refuses. Panelists uncomfortable. One panelist says she wants to leave due to raccoon proximity.

01:57:31
Otherof gray says she is a fan of the podcast

of gray tells Kiko she watches the show and yells at the screen; never thought she'd get on. Kiko compliments her looks in person.

01:58:25
OtherBrian apologizes to panelists for Lydia incident

Brian apologizes to panelists for the troll incident; Lydia was a plus-one he didn't vet fully. Considered removing by force but avoided liability.

03:40:05
OtherSelf-rating round begins — Kiko 7.5, Bangs 10, Brian 5

Stiffler TTS triggers self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Bangs/Anai: 10 ('always'). Brian: 5 (dad bod). of gray: ~5-5.5. Aurora: 8. Kitty: 8.

06:01:48
OtherBody count round — Aurora reveals 52

Panel goes around on body counts. Aurora says 52. Anai says 12 (revised from 11). Kitty: 13. Others decline.

06:10:29
OtherBrian reveals DHS $700,000 ASU study targeting Whatever Podcast

Brian reads tweet: US DHS paid ~$700k to counterterrorism NGO to suppress manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast on Twitter. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.' 73-page report from Arizona State University / McCain Institute.

06:24:15
OtherBrian gives final year-end speech for 2023

Brian recaps 2023: 70M views/month, over $100k in the red at start, DHS hit piece, Vice and NYPost articles, health issues (neck/back). Thanks Nick, Madison (who got pizza in rain), editors, mods, parents, patrons.

Topics Discussed

00:00:06
Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation, location). Brian goes around table asking relationship status and longest relationship.

00:12:00
Lydia Troll Incident

Lydia (SPEAKER_06) behaves erratically: brings taxidermied raccoon, claims to be in simulation, takes medications on air, snorts powder substance, refuses to leave after being trespassed. Police called. Arrested ~1:50. Show temporarily goes to intro screen to avoid channel strike. Post-incident discussion and cleanup.

00:45:00
Age Gap Relationships Debate

Extended debate on whether large age gaps in adult relationships (e.g., 18yo + 40yo) are acceptable. Kiko opposes; Andrew Wilson defends. Topics: brain development, power dynamics, voting age consistency, Kiko's experience dating 28yo at age 14.

01:26:44
Aurora's Toxic Relationship Story

Aurora shares story of abusive 3-year relationship with Ukrainian ex (~32yo): broke car window from inside, threatened deportation, stole $4,000, proposed 2 days before breakup. Ex suspected to have drug problem.

01:27:00
Haley & Aurora Parallel Toxic Ex Stories

Haley and Aurora discover they both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses and damaged both their cars.

02:09:58
Sophia Joins Panel / Introduction

Sophia (21, CSU Channel Islands, nanny) joins panel after Lydia's removal. Brian introduces her and gets her background.

02:19:19
Concealed Carry / Dating a Man with a Gun

TTS donation prompts question: 'How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere?' Panel mostly supportive. Discussion of hero complex, California gun laws, and Korea comparison.

02:23:55
Trolley Problem Ethical Dilemmas

Panel works through multiple trolley dilemma variants (Neal's Absurd Trolley Problems). Discussed to lighten mood after Lydia incident.

03:08:00
BDSM & Dominatrix Profession

Kitty's dominatrix work discussed. Debate on what percentage of men are into BDSM. Kitty estimates 45%; Andrew Wilson disputes. New York vs LA BDSM culture compared.

03:40:05
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Stiffler chat donation prompts self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Anai/Bangs: 10. Lydia (already gone): n/a. Kitty: 8. Aurora: 8. Haley: 7. of gray: 5–5.5. Priya: not clearly captured. Sophia: 10 ('mindset'). Brian: 5 ('dad bod'). Anai and Sophia both claim 10.

04:43:00
Feminist Identity & Provider Dynamics

of gray declares herself feminist for the general public but personally traditional. Brian challenges contradiction: wanting provider but wanting equal pay. Discussion of wage gap, mating pressure on men, affirmative action, education system. Panel answers: most prefer provider over 50/50.

04:52:00
Andrew Wilson vs Panel — Feminism & Rights Theory

Andrew Wilson debates of gray and others on rights theory (are rights material or immaterial), gender roles, and hedonism/consequentialism. Extended philosophical debate.

06:01:48
Body Count Discussion & DHS Study Reveal

Panel goes around table on body counts. Aurora: 52. Anai: 12 (previously said 11). Kitty: 13. Haley: declined ('single digits'). of gray: declined (single digits). Brian reveals DHS-funded $700k ASU study targeting manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.'

06:22:07
Year-End Closing Statements

Brian gives year-end speech: 2023 recap (70M views/month), thanks Nick, Madison, editors, mods, parents, patrons. Chilean military uniform explained. Brian announces 3-4 week break; returns ~Jan 21, 2024. Andrew Tate donates $1,000 during show.

Transcript

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03:46:33
Brian Atlasdon't put those allegations out there good times um okay here I'll sue you character defamation defamation that you had a sex dream about me yeah you're
03:46:45
Brian Atlasputting that out there on you know it's crazy a lot of people are shipping us that's like the crazy thing really no I'm just I just made that up everyone she got excited though have
03:46:57
Brian Atlasso much sexual tension I'm like no we don't okay I don't like that man wait we need to have your boyfriend on the stream wait chat chat chat one in the chat if you want Kiko to bring on her
03:47:09
Brian Atlasboyfriend and then we'll have we'll do I don't know if it's an intervention I don't know what we're going to do I feel like Kiko you've chilled out since you've had a boyfriend probably I think that's I feel like that's what happens
03:47:22
Brian Atlasto a lot of girls they like hate men and then they find I never said I hate it no no no no no okay just yes you didn't you've never said that but there's definitely like this animosity that I think a lot of women have for men and
03:47:34
Kikothen once they get a boyfriend they're like oh I can stop being a raging it's not can I say something it's more about I'm on here even though nobody here knows who he is but like I still post him on my story and my Instagram so like
03:47:47
Brian AtlasI am representing both of us now when I'm here I'm not only representing myself anymore ke look at all these people that want you to bring your boyfriend on the show I'm not transgender what theu they asked if your boyfriend was two in one of them are they down but uh
03:48:00
Brian Atlashe was born a man still a man or born a little boy well I think I almost wonder if it's the case that men he's conservative and Christian very Christian that's the thing I think like a lot of men probably and I think
03:48:11
Brian Atlasthey've they've done a bunch of news articles on this like women are even if you're like a liberal Progressive woman you're still like more attracted to like
03:48:21
Bangs (Anai)conservative traditional guys super like super she always tells me she's like you love like conservative men and they're highly influential on
03:48:31
Bangs (Anai)the women of the too no I like like don't like yeah no I like I think every guy have like really fallen in love with they all look like and theyve are like
03:48:42
Bangs (Anai)they've been like in like the Marines or like worked for like very yeah I don't want to say what his job is but oh you're currently dating a guy no I like
03:48:51
Bangs (Anai)have my eyes on somebody but like is it that rapper guy who's kind theid no no no no no don't name drop well you I think you name dropped him that last I
03:49:01
Bangs (Anai)didn't I wrapped his I wrapped a verse that's what I did huh wait what oh he was the guy that performed okay okay okay oh yeah yeah yeah he did did you go no I didn't go because my feelings are
03:49:12
Kikohurt because he still has me on vanish mode on Instagram what does that mean is vanish mode I'll see it like they're on Bish mode like I don't even know what that means yeah just delet it's like Snapchat then like it's like yeah just
03:49:25
Brian Atlasscrolling up in the going back to La La going back to La La really quick you said you had a married couple story a what a married couple story do you want to tell us that really quick uh this was years before I met my boyfriend I was uh
03:49:38
Lydiathat was when I still did the dating app thing which is terrible but uh I was uh hanging out with this married couple I was friends with a girl obviously but she got
03:49:48
Lydiajealous of me hanging out with a guy cuz I was like trying to date so she sought him out and slept with him and now she's still with her husband and has two kids now and like nothing ever happened and
03:50:00
LydiaI'm just like you're married what a dirty yeah like how the audacity to do that to your husband to do that to your friend who's trying to find someone a date but then I knew that's a forever
03:50:11
Lydiaboy and uh she's I just I really it's girls like that that I don't like most women but then I don't like the kind of women that are kind of like
03:50:23
Brian Atlaswhere I was headed and maybe still I'm like halfway there but uh I'm not going to go any further so just for clarification you had a female friend yes who was married correct she was
03:50:36
Brian Atlasmarried and then you were kind of interested in a guy but she swooped and she the guy that you were interested in yeah and he told me while she's married the guy had to tell me the guy told you did you end up hooking up with the dude I had already hooked up oh
03:50:48
Brian Atlasyou'd already hooked up with him and you were still hooking up with him no I after I found that out I didn't okay were you like question for you were you telling your female friend positive things about him not really no I just
03:51:01
Brian Atlasshe was like CU I've heard stories of girls will be like oh my God the sex is so good and then the girl's like I want to try I want to try you know and they'll like I guess that's true yeah especially if they're you're
03:51:13
Lydianot like super tight with like it's just some acquaintance type um we well I was spending a like I was driving hundreds of miles to see this girl and her husband yeah so I was almost going to move in with that oh wait so point of
03:51:23
Brian Atlasclarification um the that dude's gone but the girl is still married to the same guy and now they have two kids did he know does he know that she cheated on
03:51:33
Lydiathem were they swingers no no he's just that's a big L for the dude I know I I felt kind of bad like no you divor that that's a divorce well he's like insta divorce out of her league is the way that he looks at it but it's not true
03:51:46
Lydiahe's such a good person like in his heart but he's like overweight and he thinks that his skinny little wife is perfect and I just I wish he didn't think that way but sure yeah okay all right that's interesting um here I need
03:51:59
Brian Atlasto what else do we got here we got some more notes on we got uh one sec guys actually Nick can you go to Twitch we haven't shouted out anybody on Twitch yeah guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us a
03:52:12
Brian Atlasprime sub um drop us a follow drop us a prime sub Lads uh x that out yo guys twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub really appreciate it guys thank you thank you if you have Amazon
03:52:24
Brian AtlasPrime you link it to Twitch it's a quick free easy way to support the show every single month um oh Haley yes uh you said you considered yourself liberal up until
03:52:34
Haleyfour years ago now you're conservative uh really quickly why did you switch um so real quick yeah so uh when the pandemic started and um they knew uh
03:52:47
Haleylike the BLM right um protests were starting to go on um that's I still identified myself with the liberal ideology and I even uh just because lockdown I wanted to get out so bad I
03:52:59
Haleykind of almost use as an excuse to just kind of get out of the house as well and just seeing my town getting Windows shattered and like I'm just like why why
03:53:09
Haleyis I didn't see any benefit to what was being happening and then just having so much time on my hands I ended up just doing more research taking the clips that you know I used to hate Trump because of the little Snippets and then
03:53:22
HaleyI would look at the actual full length video and I just realized that I was not doing enough research myself and I spent those months while we couldn't work just kind of I just realized that I was wrong about a lot of things growing up sure
03:53:35
Brian Atlasyou said that there's a story that you're very ashamed of you said you never had a one night stand in your life until this one YouTuber started messaging you and made you think he was actually interested in you yep I
03:53:46
Brian Atlasknow parenthesis I know dumb so I went to LA and stayed with him I felt so gross the next day I wanted to disappear when I realized it meant nothing to him he told me to come to La so I thought we
03:53:57
Haleywould be spending time together yep what kind of is he like a Roblox what does he no I feel like if I said what he did it's kind of there's
03:54:06
Brian Atlasonly a few people that kind of does is very Niche Niche is it Niche or Niche n pretty sure he like those catch a cheater videos and
03:54:16
Haleystuff oh okay he's really hot honestly he just looks just like my ex and I was how long ago was this this was like three years ago but he like most like he messaged me here and there
03:54:28
Haleybut he has a girlfriend I was like oh no no no no that is not and I had already felt ashamed and embarrassed enough like I was I just misund read the whole scenario okay all right um oh I I need
03:54:41
Kikoto go back to something that I I'd written down here holy these pens are dog what the a table I think your paper is too thinon got doubled up the paper they would work
03:54:52
Brian Atlasit's the type of table that could be a fair point um let's see it's not the nine pens I think it's the paper and table get a notebook oh I wanted to ask
03:55:02
Brian Atlasrelated to the rating yourself one to 10 question that was great what you're talking to me sorry relax Kiko
03:55:13
Brian Atlasokay getting tired for the rating yourself one to 10 question do you guys think you will look better you look better now or will you look better in 10 years going around the table starting with Kiko go
03:55:26
Bangs (Anai)ahead I think in 10 years I'm going to look better I do okay uh this is something that I really struggle with actually um I am scared of getting old to be honest getting oh scared of
03:55:38
Bangs (Anai)getting old okay so what do you think um I think I'd look better now okay I probably think I look better now but I hope I take care of myself in a way that's like not that different I look
03:55:48
Brian Atlasbetter now than I will in 10 years um I think I look better now but 10 years you'll you'll look better in 10 years yeah how old do you 23 so you'll look better at 33 than currently wait
03:56:01
of grayKiko did you answer look better in 10 years correct in 10 years I'll look better what about you I'll probably look better now into the mic please I'll probably look better now than in what about you um I just wanted to you
03:56:13
of grayknow comment on what you said I think I a lot of girls in this generation are afraid to get old like visually just because of Instagram and everything that you see especially in LA in California
03:56:24
of graywhere you put Botox into your smile lines uh I personally really Embrace like getting those smile lines and wrinkles because honestly my life almost ended short and I think those wrinkles
03:56:34
of grayand those smile lines are a victory and they're like a sign of you lived this long you made it this far and maybe like Generations after you you've affected people in the most positive way but um
03:56:47
of grayme personally I think I will look better in 10 years because I will have matured and I will be smiling more I probably will be you know totally mentally and
03:56:57
of grayemotionally um matur stable so that's I do think I will and that will come from the inside out so it'll Shine from the inside out so I think I will look better
03:57:08
Brian Atlasin 10 years so you're how old are you you're 23 21 oh 21 sorry my my things are all up because they left so I'm trying it's like since July
03:57:18
Brian Atlas23 now so you you'll be better looking at 31 than at 21 correct yeah okay prio what about you I'm sure I look better now than I will in 10 years Madison what
03:57:28
Lydiaabout you now or honestly I feel like I might look better in 10 years I feel like with Asian woman stop the C no I would say Asian woman Asian women look a lot better when they older I think right
03:57:41
Lydianow I look really young like I still have a baby face a little bit so a good thing that's a good thing okay so we're going to go around the table
03:57:52
Brian Atlasonce more so um black don't will you look better in 20 years than you do now
03:58:02
Bangs (Anai)Kiko yeah I think I still will same answer as before yeah probably same answer as before I this question is mostly directed to
03:58:11
Brian Atlasthe people that said yes you'll look better at in 10 years um I think who I think I would look better in another 20 years too wait so you're sorry remind me
03:58:22
Brian Atlasyour age again 23 23 so you'll look better at 43 than you do now at 23 I yeah I do think so cuz I feel like I'll what was your answer on this was it yes
03:58:32
of grayI'll look better at 43 uh no what about you um 41 versus 2 my mom is still so gorgeous she's this is looks by the way guys yeah she's 40 something is my pleas please pleas pleas please please oh my
03:58:45
of graygrandma is uh in her 60s but she still looks so young and so I really I really think I will continue to slay the day away oh
03:58:56
Lydiayeah oh what in the name of delusion is going wait wa wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait go ahead did you no no I I said I said I look better now yeah yeah go ahead definitely not in 20
03:59:06
Brian Atlasyears maybe I'll look better years and 20 years so so wait sorry you uh Kiko you and you both said you you'll be better looking
03:59:18
Brian Atlasin 20 years correct here let's go again 30 years oh maybe now maybe now okay that might be the limit what about for you right it could be the limit but that
03:59:30
Auroramight be the limit I don't know I feel like I'm going to look young for a while because my skin you know so I feel like I'll grow into it um I think physically uh I would
03:59:42
Kikoprobably look better at this age than in 30 years mhm my mom's only 45 so I haven't got a chance to look that far yet my mom looks exactly the same since
03:59:54
Kikoshe was 18 parents are beautiful but half black black don't really crack baby so I know I'm half I got to send the asteroid on this one I do um you are beautiful mother and in 10 years I'm going to have more money to spend more
04:00:05
Brian Atlason my skin care and my hair care and all that skin but but just being young is like naturally good for definitely but it's I'm you start
04:00:17
Kikookay you in 10 years like I feel like I will look better because one I feel like I'm I'm maturing nicely I'm only one year into my fitness routine right now so if I'm 10 years into my fitness routine who knows what my body is going to look like by then kids or not and two it's like I I'm saying yeah I'll have
04:00:30
Brian Atlasthe actual money to get my hair done I'll just say this for those of you I'll let you I'll I'll let you go in just a sec for those of wait wait wait hold hold on just one second for those of you who
04:00:41
Brian Atlassaid even if you just said you'll look better in 10 years although it seemed like all of you doubled and tripled down on this one um wait Madison did you answer the 30-year one she said
04:00:52
Brian Atlasno okay uh he I'mma give it to you straight you you are not going to look better in 10 years you're not going to look better in 20 years SE you're not going to look
04:01:05
Bangs (Anai)better in 30 I'm not saying I'm not saying that's what I'm saying too I'm not saying that you guys you guys may very well still be very attractive I know you were a fortune teller no it's
04:01:15
Kikonot it's just it's just the reality it's just the reality it's not a reality but you guys you guys are just wrong like Alex Alexia or whatever her name is that one who acts as Maddie and Euphoria
04:01:28
Bangs (Anai)she's like 33 she looks great go ahead and then Andrew wanted to say something so go ahead so I follow this lady on Tik Tok and she is like she shown pictures of her on in college and her now 100%
04:01:39
Bangs (Anai)she looks way better now with like kids and a like a family than she did when she was in college because she worked out so much and like I don't think she did anything to her face but like she
04:01:50
Kikojust aged so gracefully and she looks so good she like that comes with taking care of yourself of course like at any age if you're not taking care of yourself you're not eating right you're not clean like of course you're not going to look good no matter what age
04:02:04
Kikoyou are if you just simply do not take care of yourself yeah no of course mom could smoke a pack within 3 days doesn't do anything good for her health just drinks eight shots of espresso every day and not I'll even say this as a guy and
04:02:16
Brian AtlasI think and Andrew I'll I'll have you come in here just a sec uh and I do think there's certainly some differences when it between men and women I would me
04:02:25
Brian Atlaspersonally uh I would get I would trade All My Success all my money to be back and I feel like this isn't fair but to be back in my 18-year-old body I would
04:02:37
Brian Atlasgive everything granted I feel like it's not totally fair cuz that's not it's not even a a looks thing because I've got like injuries my back's all up my I got like chronic pain issues so I feel like I don't know if
04:02:49
Brian Atlasthat's that's a strong argument to make but I would argue that um I was even better looking better looking when I was younger I was better looking 10 years ago as don't
04:03:01
Nick (producer)rais you are more beautiful every day to the person who adors you three Andrew do you tell your wife she looks less attractive with every year that goes
04:03:12
Kikoby let's go the radi radiolog know that's my bad I will just
04:03:22
Brian Atlasreally quick D he's loaded it does seem it does occur to me that Asian women age very well they they tend to age better than also black black black women black
04:03:34
Brian Atlasmen age age well for some reason us white folk we look tough we start looking rugged
04:03:43
Andrew Wilsonrug for your own family I got one good looking ass family yeah my let's assume for a second that I lied to my wife every single day and told her
04:03:55
Andrew Wilsondelusional things like oh you look better now than you did when you were 20 which you're awful you obviously not true but let's just assume for second I li every day it wouldn't actually change
04:04:05
Andrew Wilsonthe objective reality of what is to say that you guys are going to look better in 10 or 20 years than you do now this is the Pearl Davis effect it's women who
04:04:16
Andrew Wilsonare in this type of mindset who I see thousands of them giving uh you know screenshots to Pearl Davis of them taking selfies of themselves in their 40s which is pathetic to say look at me
04:04:28
Andrew WilsonI'm still hot make up gallons of it the whole nine yards and then you ask them a simple question show us what you look like 20 years ago they don't post those pictures they don't post those they only
04:04:40
Andrew Wilsonpost the pictures of them now because if there's a comparison contrast what do you think it's going to look like do you honestly believe that for the vast vast overwhelming majority of women I'm
04:04:51
Kikotalking 90% that they actually look better the older that they get yes let me ask you something I think it depends on much older it is but yes you're 10
04:05:01
Kikoyears 10 years so sassy 30y old anyone sassier you can tell they're grown St him please I just think what you're saying heack me so many answer your question I do think that most women who
04:05:14
Kikoare about 30 look better than 20-year-olds yes I think they look more in tune with themselves they know how to um dress for their body and do their makeup and style themselves for their body 30 is not decrepitate I don't maybe because you looked like milk at
04:05:26
Andrew Wilson30 I don't know I'm I feel like the Crips right now my God exactly what I was going to say give
04:05:34
Andrew Wilsonme an accus Kiko you think looked better at at at 45 than she did at 25 and um oh even um like you can say oh you might you might have preferred her when she
04:05:46
Kikowas younger but Sophia Viagra I think she's aged gracefully way better looking she looks almost exactly the same she looks literally the same so like you're just arguing she literally doesn't look the same two Alexa Demi she looked like
04:05:57
Kikoa child a complete like newborn at 18 now she looks not even like a grown woman she still looks pretty young that's teener yeah still looked they still look look you're making the same
04:06:09
Andrew Wilsonmistake that they make on on Pearl Davis's Twitter this is the same exact type of coke that I see there works like this when you look at these women when they're in their mid 20s they're way
04:06:21
Lydiabetter looking when they're in their mid 4S you can't you can't we tell him anything I'm white and I'm white and don't age well LOL but beautiful is in the eye of the beholder don't be shallow
04:06:31
Lydiahe your boyfriend okay I feel like you can age as a woman and still be beautiful when you're older but you might not look as good as you did in your Prime ages that
04:06:42
Kikothis whole debate is going down to if your preference is 18 19 20y old woman then yeah you might think that way but I don't think that the majority of women just turn to once they're 30 years
04:06:52
Andrew Wilsonold or all women better don't you realize that bu strong argue with nobody's claiming that women who are in their 40s can't be beautiful women that's not what I said just claiming
04:07:03
Andrew Wilsonthat over the overwhelming majority of them are still going to be way more beautiful when they're 25 versus 45 that's that's a not only is a reasonable take but it's objective reality
04:07:14
Bangs (Anai)everywhere that I look and this is why women are so scared of Aging because it's like they I I don't know for me personally I'm scared of Aging because it's like there's so much stuff in
04:07:26
Bangs (Anai)society where it's like oh 25 you've hit you've you know like you've hit it like you hit the wall you're done your value in society has gone down so yeah I think there is a problem I know but I think there's a
04:07:38
Andrew WilsonI'm not saying I know but I'm saying there's a problem with that type of thinking and that's so toxic because it makes you feel bad but it doesn't make it less objectively true that's the problem is like I don't think I think
04:07:49
Andrew Wilsonthat the opposite is true I think the problem is when you say we need to dismiss what is objectively true and try to make people kind of Lie to everybody to make these untrue statements that hey
04:08:01
Andrew Wilsonguess what girl at 45 you're going to be just as hot as you were 20 it's ridiculous it's absolutely ridiculous way we know we all know none of us are stupid at this T you all know that most
04:08:14
Kikowomen look way better when they're 25 and 45 I check IDs for my job right almost every single day I'm checking hella IDs and I will tell you majority of the women who come in at 35 look a
04:08:24
Andrew Wilsonlot better than the 21y olds I'm checking just it's not cap the 21y said Mak literally hang on what you just said Kiko makes no sense at all it's my experience you can see them why do you
04:08:36
Kikoneed to look at their ID that's I'm a bartender I'm a bartender I check IDs I'm a bartender you can check their face because they're in front of you why do you check their ID no you're missing my point my point is since I actually I'm
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Kikonot just looking at people and being like oh she's about 35 oh she's about 25 I'm actually checking their ID see what year they're born and then get to decide based on their age and I get to actually know their exact age and I'm not just trying to guess how old they are I can
04:09:01
Kikoactually see the number on their ID from the year they were born so I know ID doesn't show what they look like 10 years early ier what are you talking about in Ariz but so maybe I'm I'm not
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Kikocomparing it to I'm not comparing it to that woman at 21 she looked maybe she looked better at 21 and 31 I'm just saying as a whole that majority of women that I see look better when they are
04:09:22
Kikoabout to hit 30 or around 30 than they do at 21 so if as a whole most women look better at 30 then that woman woman too probably looks better now than she
04:09:30
Andrew Wilsondid yeah the woman who comes in and gives you her ID you can see her right yes Andrew so you don't need to look at her ID to see what she looks like you
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Andrew Wilsoncan see it and then you look at the ID and you can say okay I know how old this woman it's going over your head Andrew it's okay you no comparison 25 to her 10
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Lydiayear younger self right yes you're right Andrew so then I don't even understand the argument Kiko I don't either Andrew you're right oh my gosh do you guys think men look a lot
04:10:05
Kikobetter when they're younger than when they're no men usually age pretty well I don't like me a baby things not gonna lie I like a ruged older man I like a man looks like he's seen something I don't care I like my
04:10:16
Bangs (Anai)boyfriend I like a guy like a few years older but not like very very older than your age or wait oh yeah like a four five years older I guess but
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Bangs (Anai)I wouldn't be like my boyfriend are year part small I wouldn't be like I don't know I also wouldn't dat a guy like my age either just cuz I think they're like a little bit too too
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Bangs (Anai)what are you doing what story I feel like they're a little bit too I think men naturally are just very immature so I feel like when they're like at 21
04:10:50
Bangs (Anai)they're mentally like 18 or something I don't know I've maybe I've just met very immature men but I think they're so I usually tend to go like
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of graymaybe like four to 5 years older Ryan go away maybe boj face oh my goj love boj princess Carol I love her
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Haleyshe's my favorite that show is a trip what's his name Stuart I don't know I've only watched it their baby that's their baby wait yeah I was going to say m
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Haleyhimself I think he's talking to his chat okay no I can hear everything you guys say we can oh yeah I was just saying I think he's responding to his chat
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Andrew Wilsonoh what the hell are you talking about it seems like you guys don't really want to engage with any of the points that I'm making I mean you should because like in this casee we do engage and you it goes over your head you don't
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Kikoactually think that it's delusional to think that you're going to look better in 20 years than you do right now how I feel about it maybe you maybe that's what you feel but I my mother my
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Auroramother looks better now than she did a h are you going to get surgery old great grandma and she still looks like she's and she's still moving around going to the casino playing card games like I
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Kikohave good jeans even being everybody I look better than I do now than I did at 18 I look better than I do now than I did at 20 I look better so I'm I'm going
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Brian Atlasto keep going up especially in the 10 years Beauty just in denial on we have we have we have um somebody coming in on the on the line I know you're not a natural beauty but I think with the
04:12:32
Brian Atlasright clothes the right look you could be very striking oh wow I don't know who that was that was crazy um who was that I don't I don't know who that was no I mean who's the voice of that like um
04:12:43
Haleywho's the guy from Eastbound and Down what's his name Danny MC who was that oh okay damn is what that you said when you check the IDS and they look better when they're older it's probably just because
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Lydiathey had a hairstyle that looks better to them now or they changed their fashion but better than they dident them that's the thing though that's the question they still look better than they did but if they knew how to dress like that when they were younger they would look better but they didn't so they didn't look good that's the whole
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Kikothing though like these 21y olds are walk walking into the the CL club with Converse and a hoodie all that doesn't look good and that's how they're acting at that age I bet in 10 years she might know how to dress herself a little better and care a little bit more about what she looks like and yeah I mean if
04:13:23
Kikoyou guys if you don't agree if you think that you're going to get just wrinkly and raisined up with every year that goes on then so be it but I'm in the beginning of my fitness journey just in this one year how my body is transformed and looks so much better I'm not going to my body is not going to stop looking
04:13:36
Kikogood because I'm 30 like that's not how life works and yeah I don't know maybe if I wasn't half black I wouldn't think the same way I do but but no one was saying but that is how life works like you if you have children or you have an
04:13:47
Andrew Wilsonaccident or you can't get to the gym for a prolonged period of time or things like this there's all sorts of stressors which happen on the body and age is something which we all have to deal with
04:13:58
Andrew Wilsonwhether you like it or not how I mean in this particular case Kiko it doesn't it doesn't seem absurd to you to think that you're going to look back in 10
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Kikoyears at yourself right now and go yes I'm way hotter than that chick I think in 10 years yeah I'm going to look at a picture of myself and be like I'm going think I was beautiful and I'm going think I looked great in my early 20s but I'm going to think like damn I've came a
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of graylong way in my fitness journey I've came a long way in growing myself and I look good as hell now that's what I think because I will say I used to lift and then I got off of it and I lost all of my gains and I'm I'm getting back into
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of grayit but it takes a long time to build your way all the way up cuz I used to be lifting uh 95 is pounds which is like basically my body weight so it's like you know it takes a long time to build up to that and then to also have a
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of grayconsistent like schedule like that's my life so yeah I mean it it's already taking me bone Man [Music]
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Brian Atlas5 actually might be Pizza T thank you man here let me pull up I think this one came in uh Showtime simx thank you man appreciate it this is an example of Disney vers reality are you guys ready
04:15:09
Kikoall of you look 44 years old godamn right now okay I don't think I don't that he's tripping he he's that's a troll that's my customers ask me every day if I'm old enough to thank you man
04:15:20
Brian Atlasappreciate it than yeah so but okay with your example of well I can go to the gym and my my body can improve but the reality is
04:15:30
Brian Atlaslet's just assume like you're 20 you have an average body and then at 40 you have still an average body there's going to be certain changes that occur when it comes to your skin you're going to get
04:15:42
Brian Atlaswrinkles Etc so certainly it could be the case that you could be morbidly obese at 20 and then lose all of that you could get the surgery to get rid of the excess skin it's perhaps plausible
04:15:54
Brian Atlasthat you might actually be more attractive as like a like super Fitness like at 40 versus you at 20 morbidly obese um but I think the reality is for
04:16:07
Brian Atlasthe vast majority of people because of those just inevitable changes that occur to your body via aging you're just going to be like
04:16:17
Brian Atlasyou're you're going to be better looking when you're younger I think the answer to this question is that that graph that you always show the oh my God wait did you did you say better looking I forgot
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Haleyno no I I actually have a really hard time with aging I I I like avoid celebrating my birthday Mor all of the story is if if you take care of yourself the exact same way in your 20s as you
04:16:40
Kikowill in your 30s the exact same way you know how to dress the exact same you have the same sense of style you have the same Fitness habits you have the same eating habits same skincare routine you are going to look better in your 20s than you are in your 30s I just won't be
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Kikodressing like this I think it's I think it also has to do with what you think peeking is I think most people Peak at 30 I think most people look their best when they're 30 a lot of men how we look at that graph they stop they think that most at 20 like you know how with wom
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Kikoit'll we think age are attractive at the same age but men it stops I think that's the issue is you guys think that these wrinkle free and pump and all that is the most perfect you ever be I don't take that as being most attractive that's I think the difference I take it
04:17:19
Kikobeing attractive when you know how to dress yourself and look accordingly which comes with age that's my do you think that do you think that a guy that made me feel better thank you no and it's like and it's so sick that you keep saying this when we already know that
04:17:31
Kikopeople have this issue with aging and you guys are the same ones who are like I don't like botox I don't like filler I don't like this but you're like by 30 you're going to be looking not you look like but even Andrew said though he's like
04:17:42
Kikoevery every year that we we look worse he or I think he said that I don't know if was a TTS or something like that that's just not true that's just not well let me address let me address that no I mean on average it is true let me
04:17:54
Brian Atlasjust address that I am a I am a natural body supremacist I granted obviously take care of your hygiene take care of your grooming but yes I'm not in favor of
04:18:06
Brian Atlasplastic surgery I don't like fake boobs I don't like fake lips I don't like lipo the Lipo belly looks worse give me a girl with like a little belly fat and the reality is if you bend over like most most people unless they're like really low body fat you're going to get
04:18:19
Brian Atlasa you're going to have a little belly it's okay um you don't got to be like super low body fat all the time in fact I don't think it's super healthy especially I think even for women um CU then that if your body fat gets too low
04:18:31
Brian AtlasI guess uh you can it has an impact on your menstruation I guess so um very much against labia plasty by the way I'm very much natural body supremacist if you need to be talked out
04:18:43
Brian Atlasof a la labia plasty my DMs are open I'll help you out I'm a nice I'm a nice guy like that wait what said you're a female doctor oh and I'm against the bbls what that looks so bad it's so
04:18:54
Bangs (Anai)terrible they do but aot also I was going to say that a lot of men like don't really like know like the difference yeah the differences like even like Photoshop you guys will see
04:19:05
Brian AtlasPhotoshop and then you be like yeah that's natural and then you guys don't like really realize it's Photoshop a woman's face is wait how does it go or oh my God how am I Dr dropping the
04:19:16
Brian Atlasball on this a woman's face is her work of fiction a man's face is his autobiography I don't know what that means that's a good it means that women put gallons upon gallons of makeup on
04:19:28
Andrew Wilsontheir face and do everything they can possibly do including taking the right filters with selfies the right angles and everything else men don't wear makeup by en large you can basically figure out probably what a man does for
04:19:39
Brian Atlasa living by how weathered it is and how beat up he looks don't I just want to dress your thing I just want to okay guys keep all right play nice put your swords away okay you know you
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Brian Atlas[Music] know can I share a quote one sec one sec um I know you wanted to come in on something I just want to say so I actually think the female Beauty standard that feminists cry about is
04:20:05
Brian Atlasactually more than obtain for like 90% of women so okay flat stomach you don't need ABS maybe a little bit of muscle tone healthy BMI that's very obtainable for most women
04:20:17
Brian Atlaswhereas I would argue the male Beauty standard that's rarely challenged by mainstream media is literally unobtainable without two if not three of the following Elite genetics steroids
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Brian Atlasand five plus years of basically treating the gym like a part-time or second job I agree with that like if you for example if you look at at the Superman mov or sorry not the the
04:20:39
Brian Atlassuperhero movies and you look at all the male superheroes they're typically like an insane shape a lot of them are on steroids you saying the woman superheroes aren't they're usually pix
04:20:50
Brian Atlaswho's the girl who plays uh Wonder Woman what's her name no they look soft they don't even look strong G galado she's like has barely any like that's like an
04:21:02
Brian Atlasaverage looking girl like an a that like an average granted she's thin right right I don't know if the right word but she's a healthy BMI um that is ACH like her body is achievable by vast majority
04:21:16
Kikoof women I think the high like body standard for men is placed by men though I don't think a lot of time superhero movies that are like oh yeah Superman has to look like this women don't care about that right but
04:21:28
Brian Atlasthere's always this conversation of what do you mean they don't of course they care about that Spider-Man is like woman's favorite superhero he's not he's a child no they the male physique
04:21:40
Andrew WilsonSpider-Man is literally just SK and what women I mean we have more data on this when it comes to uh you know what's what's considered like positive phom and this type of thing uh than you can
04:21:52
Andrew Wilsonimagine and yet obviously there's a standard which women have that they have a preference for and it's they have an overwhelming preference for it they want to see Superman with abs and big muscles
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Bangs (Anai)okay want to see let's go around the table and ask if we've ever been if we've ever can we go around the table and ask if we've ever dated a very muscular gym guy well just can't get one doesn't mean that they
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Brian Atlaswouldn't prefer one most girls can get one my boyfriend's a rat and he's perfect like and also I don't think what I don't think what me and Andrew are saying it's not like as a guy you have to look like the rock to get women or
04:22:28
Brian Atlasthat all women necessarily prefer the ideal but when we're having that's exactly what he's saying though no but when we're having a conversation about this saying most women women do most it's I'm just stating the cost of a
04:22:39
Brian Atlasperfect body for each gender like you you take like an average 18-year-old woman she's probably got like a she's probably fairly close to the idealistic
04:22:51
Brian Atlasfemale body whereas comparing it to the idealistic female b or excuse me the idealistic male body the amount of work and genetics even drug intervention
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of graythat's required to do that is uh insane so did you have something um oh my gosh now I got a brain fired
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LydiaI'm sorry was about your man no no no no I've got a quote good night laa has something yeah I had a just a quote to share um that a hurtful truther is
04:23:21
Brian Atlasbetter than a happy liar I've heard that quote I've heard that PE I mean it's pretty much the same thing just worded differently uh people prefer comforting Lies Over
04:23:34
Andrew Wilsonuncomfortable truths they shouldn't that's another way too so um what where where were we well can I ask this um do you do you honestly believe on average
04:23:46
Andrew Wilsonif you if if if a man if a woman had to choose between a man who had let's say 105 extra pounds on him right or uh a man and I'm just talking physically I'm
04:23:58
Andrew Wilsonnot talking about personality none of that stuff just physically or a man who was in very good shape uh had maybe a flat stomach and seem to be well muscled you're
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of graysaying that that would not be the preference for most women oh actually my preference about yeah I have an answer to that I actually have a ton of influencer friends and like Tik Tok and
04:24:19
of grayInstagram and honestly their boyfriends are not the standard of Attraction but they have that character which is like I am the provider and the protector and
04:24:30
of grayyou know their girlfriend which is my friend they're usually like very um homemade so you're getting personality I literally said forget personality don't don't bring in the personality traits or
04:24:42
Andrew Wilsonhow they are how they act not even talking about that just saying physically just physically most women swipe right right there's a reason that they do what what do you think that is
04:24:54
Andrew Wilsoncould it be that they have kind of like physical things that they're after like height for instance is a big one I think I think you meant to say tons of polls on this at what point are we gonna are are we going to just kind of grant that
04:25:06
Bangs (Anai)this is objective reality that women would obviously prefer men who are in better shape and look better I love a man that has a chubby boy heart yeah I like a dadb I really I love a chubby boy
04:25:19
Andrew Wilsonheart I like somebody who looks healthy I mean personality personality twerks again what about physically just we all said we all said it CS I
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Kikojust said it's a teddy bear kind of like me and Pria like we said we like and um uh Hy too we like more fit men that's our preference but I don't think that they're lying when they say that they do prefer men with men BS cuz a lot of my friends like men with men bods and
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Kikohonestly my boyfriend now is the first fit man I've ever dated they weren't like fat per se but they weren't like they took their shirt off and you were like impressed okay until you're dating a fit man right now I am I am and I said
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KikoI I prefer fit but I'm not saying I don't think that they're Liars for saying that I think I didn't ask them if they're lying I asked them a question about what they think the average woman would prefer right now honestly I do think it's a dad bod most of my friends
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Kikoall say the same thing that is the preference a lot of wom a lot of wom do not like the gym guys it's because I know you said not personality but a lot of women associate a man with a very great physique to have a certain type of
04:26:19
Kikoego and personality so a lot of women don't don't go after those type of men or don't and they just naturally don't find them attractive anymore because they have a pre- disposed opinion on how they're going to act so I we can't say
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Andrew Wilsonwhat most women are like cuz yeah not all women no we can because we have all sorts of ping data and we know what dating sites we know everything on this particular topic we know more than
04:26:42
Andrew Wilsonalmost any other topic sociologically with the dating preferences of women the physi that they're after the heights that they're after we basically know almost everything that they're looking
04:26:52
Kikofor and they definitely do not prefer a man bod over a guy who's in good shape on average not even close I know you said not without personality but are we talking about to date or to hook up with cuz a lot of people are untendered to
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Andrew Wilsonnot dates they're just woman might want get to the personality how we get to the personality if the preference first starts with you must be 6' one or
04:27:17
Andrew Wilsonyou must be over 6 foot how you can't hear us you keep talking you can't hear us take them off I end call I think also make your point go ahead go ahead I
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of graythink also what like Kiko is saying is um usually a person's physique can be implicative of their character and in my experience personally and I know a lot of other girls who have gone through
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of graythis uh gim Bros tend to be very Vain and they tend to like criticize their partner because they want them to be at the same level but that can be sort of like wearing down on their partner and
04:27:51
of graythat's why I personally and a lot of other my girlfriends they prefer the dadbod because those people are much Kinder uh much less a vein stereotyping stereotyp the reason that you keep on
04:28:03
Andrew Wilsonbringing up personality all of you avoiding the two I'm engaging with anyway avoiding this assume for a second that the same exact personality that they're attracted to whatever that is whatever
04:28:14
Andrew Wilsonthose characteristics are that those people like as a personality trait happens to also be packaged in a body that is more physically fit than not would they prefer that donated
04:28:26
Nick (producer)$200 everyone has a type did you pick your partner based on a poll watch Goodwill Hunting and listen how Robin talks about his late wife
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of grayBTW thank you babe for the Jo alone a I bought him a colog recently Jo alone and then I also bought him um
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Andrew WilsonEla cool story bro um got money so yeah I would like I would like the answer to this which is the reason you keep on bringing in what I prefer personality wise and blah blah blah is because you
04:29:00
Andrew Wilsondon't seem to want to answer this question you just simply stated this if you had all those same personality types like the person didn't change but they just happen to be more fit and in better shape would you wouldn't you prefer that
04:29:12
Bangs (Anai)to the alternative that's the question no I already answered that I said I love a chubby boy yes I would she said yes she said yes she would she
04:29:23
Andrew Wilsonsaid we've got our circles Andrew we've CES and we've no it's the personality that really so I'm making it all else equal and saying okay they have the same
04:29:35
Andrew Wilsonpersonality the sweetest little you know instead of being 5' 5 they're 6ot would you prefer that I dated someone that was five yeah Kiko now he's changing it up cuz he
04:29:46
Brian Atlasdidn't like our answers because booyfriend was 5 you don't answer do you don't know keep hold let's let's not do insults no insults guys okay hold on let me change
04:29:59
Brian Atlasthe topic let me change the topic here all right I don't think we're going to he goes in circles just just let me move let me move it on let me move it on okay all right all right Andrew take a drag
04:30:10
Andrew WilsonAndrew take a drag of your uh cigarette well how how could it be this hard just to answer a direct question the question is if all thing if all else is equal okay you're saying you would
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Kikoactually not prefer that your man was more fit even if he maintained all of his personality quirks can I that a thing people have different preferences on body not all women are just looking for like how I guess all men just want
04:30:34
Brian Atlasthe biggest tits and the fattest ass women have different preferences I got hold on no no I I actually I kind of want to semi like you could ask me the question like Brian but be honest like
04:30:45
Brian Atlasall things being equal would you prefer a chick with some like giant natural titties or even just big titties over like an A cup and you know what I might take the a cup thank you's
04:30:58
Brian Atlasa differ but wait wait where you going Kiko where you going is that a rage quit is it Rage Quit no oh but but Brian if I asked you on average do you think most men would
04:31:11
Brian Atlasprefer the a cup what do you think they would say so I yes I think most men would prefer some giant titties I'm going to say it I think it's the case don't get me wrong I like big boobs are
04:31:21
Brian Atlasnice but I just okay I'm gonna get now I'm gonna piss off everybody else uh yeah I think that's good thank you Nick
04:31:30
Brian Atlasum so here's my hot take I'm probably going to get canceled for it so a woman who's got big
04:31:40
Brian Atlasboobs she can be hot she can be sexy but you can't be beautiful but a woman with smaller boobs she can be all those things and she can be
04:31:53
Brian Atlasbeautiful what the like in your head your personal like like okay like for I don't know just like giant titties I just it's it can that you can be attractive you can be very hot you
04:32:05
Brian Atlascan be sexy whatever but like if you look at the Greek statues the Roman statues of women they didn't have these like giant can crusher knockers
04:32:15
Brian Atlasyou know what I mean they they had like modest titties the titties were modest in the Greek stat sculpture days seemed like and that's just my thoughts on the
04:32:28
Bangs (Anai)matter you guys like to talk about biology but what about the woman like who's going to nurse your child of course you're upset by who's going to nurse your child who's
04:32:40
Andrew Wilsongoing to nurse your child course an up Brian how dare you yeah but who who would I got titties why you got to come after me let's be honest let I mean most of the time it's formula now that
04:32:50
Bangs (Anai)nurses people's children right yeah okay but let's say in back then since you guys like to talk about biology and like oh back oo W back all the way back then don't get me wrong nice big you guys
04:33:02
Nick (producer)like to talk about that stuff you guys always like to bring that stuff $200 bro they answered you multiple times some like RP dudes and some like
04:33:13
Nick (producer)Dad Bots if you want to quote averages find a study or two with references unless you've published your own research that's my okay so let me let me respond to D
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Andrew Wilson041 if you're as delusional as these women and think all things equal they have the same personality type inside of men that women would prefer to have the fat one you're a idiot you're as
04:33:36
Andrew Wilsondumb as the you're as dumb as the majority of the simps that are probably in these women's only fans chats nobody believes that for a second why would they it's completely insane it's
04:33:48
Andrew Wilsonjust like me saying if I oh if I could uh have my uh my wife right in her 21-year-old form versus you know the form she's in right now which would I
04:33:58
Bangs (Anai)prefer a prettyy someone send this to his wife send this to his wife his wife is watching I think y what's up
04:34:10
Bangs (Anai)Rachel yo W's in the chat for Rachel's in I feel bad for hey can I ask you something Andrew oh my God how tall are you
04:34:20
Andrew Wilsonask hey how tall are you's a I'm 6' tall you give short man energy wo
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Brian Atlasw i mean you give dumb skank energy good let the horse live guys guys guys SW I just to address the short I I I even
04:34:38
Brian Atlasthough I'm 61 I'm an I am a Ally to short men I'm in solidarity with short men I love short guys but guys tend to like Mr Andrew how
04:34:51
Brian Atlasabout thisp knows where this is going syndrome ke know knows where this is going so actually let's do split on this Nick so if if it's
04:35:03
Brian Atlasokay to say short man energy is it okay to say to say fat woman energy H
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Kikohuh yeah yeah I what's we say we say short man energy we we are talking about the Napolean complex that's actually a researched topic So when you say fat women energy what are you saying are you
04:35:25
Brian Atlassaying like the ones who hop up on there and like complain that they should be loved no matter what yeah that annoying I agree if that's what we're getting at but I don't like we shouldn't shame people for for out of their control don't go back now you can't shame you can't shame short men they
04:35:38
Kikocan't you know it's not shaming them for being short it's shaming them for the way they act which they can control well but but no but literally the words are short man energy which relate to the way
04:35:48
Brian Atlasthey act it's energy energy is the but then why attach short man to it's offensive and mean to short man it's like a stere will def short Behavior to the death
04:36:04
Brian Atlasokay some of my friends are very short men they're great here let me let me pull up this chat then we're going to move on when we very short men you watch when when we talk dad body can you body 30 to
04:36:16
Brian Atlas40% versus fit 8 to 12% we are actually talking about the 20% differential in body fat that's from The Irate SEO he's irate and seagoing 8 to 12% body fat in
04:36:28
Brian Atlasa woman is extremely low are you on a jet ski dude or what why you I rate about I'm confused okay thank you man appreciate it here I have a new question to ask the panel uh so you know we hear
04:36:39
Brian Atlasa lot about this orgasm gap between men and women oh perfect this is exactly what I wanted to talk about this is sorry orgas okay you know how women
04:36:49
Brian Atlastypically especially in the casual encounter are far less likely to orgasm as compared to men so I want to ask you guys going around the table first off um
04:36:58
Brian Atlasof the men you've been with what percent of them have made you come no comment Keiko I'm not that's disrespectful how's it how's it
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Kikodisrespectful I have a boyfriend my boyfriend gets the job done every time okay good for him thank you I'm proud um has it been rough for you like a lot
04:37:20
Bangs (Anai)of guys drop in the bone no I actually wanted to talk about how um kind of like it kind of has to go with orgasming I guess but it's like why
04:37:31
Bangs (Anai)does this why does the sex end when the man comes like why doesn't why doesn't the sex end when the woman comes CU they go soft well no well I can I can answer that I mean essentially uh after a man
04:37:43
Brian Atlasclimaxes he enters into the refractory period where it's essentially impossible for him to maintain or uh regain an erection I guess so it's just like it's
04:37:54
Brian Atlasjust phys physiologically yeah but us like minimum 30 minutes I think I mean although there was one time I don't know what the happened that okay never I was just going to say like
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Bangs (Anai)usually like a man a man will like finish and then they're like H okay that's why I think and then they don't even want to like go down on like the girl or anything that's why they want to
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Brian Atlasreip like that's why I think as a guy you got to make your girl come first cuz once you come like you can't I mean you could there's other things you can do but you can't keep really AG
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Brian AtlasBrian yeah I think the girl needs to come first and if possible multiple times if she's you yeah good for you good for you definitely well get these some of these guys they're like I don't
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Brian Atlaswant to make my girl Cal like even and I talked about this on the previous show and I'll be brief um let's say you're totally selfish in the bedroom anyways I would argue the most selfish thing
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Brian Atlaswell if your own pleasure is your primary concern I would argue if you make your girl come she's probably going to be she might be she's going to be more enthusiastic she's going to get more wet she's going to it's going to
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Brian Atlasfeel better well that's true yeah feel better and uh so what was I saying um make her com if you're if well it's just this is like just normal conversation if
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Brian Atlaswhy is it uncomfortable this this is normal sex sexual conversations if like she comes while during sex that feels good just saying preach Brian preach make sure
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Bangs (Anai)these little boys to get you away from the communal sex toys though the oh my God you know what I'm talking about don't bro you can wash a sex toy with antibacterial do you let them know yeah
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Bangs (Anai)that's what I wanted to beforehand do you let them know are you like this on a girl the the first time I'm having sex with a girl it's not like I'm a virgin
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Brian Atlasevery time I have sex with her I clean okay that's think I think and I would argue like cleaning a sex toy is
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Kikomuch is in terms of like actually being clean like you've cleaned it I think if any man pulled up to your encounter with sex toys you should already assume that they use in other people I mean unless
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Bangs (Anai)it's like you're messing up their pH balance though have so going around the going around the table on this uh percentage of men you've been with uh that have been able
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Brian Atlasto make you climax did you answer no I didn't answer goe um a good amount honestly how you want like 50% more or less honestly probably
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Brian Atlasmore okay 4% and one of them is who I'm with wait four 4% mhm closer okay 4%
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Aurorayep almost all what do you mean St like almost all oh almost all excuse me okay out of the guys I've been with uh
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Brian Atlasprobably two of them actually made it just just two of the guys do you want to give a percentage or no I don't know what that percentage would be okay all right well for example if it was 10 guys
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Brian Atlasyou've been with and two of them were able to do it that'd be 20% thanks Brian yeah you know my she didn't know her percentages worth
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HaleyMa I would say about I hate doing this I like 25% but I have to do a lot of mental work to get there it was more your effort like yeah
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Haleymentally but I will fully acknowledge that's just because I had a you know bad first few times so it's just kind of where my mind went yeah um um I'm not going to disclose that because of my own
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of graymorals but I am going to respond to Alvin Sam I can't believe the S doctor doesn't even know that men across all ages ranges uh prefer women in her 20s
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of graythis is basic Common Sense first of all I don't think simp isn't insting ter d41 donated $200 this has been fun thanks for
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Nick (producer)letting be a virtual guest La Andrew make sure to get lung cancer screening chest CS age 50 from smoking yeah maybe maybe I'll die of
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Andrew Wilsonlung cancer but you're going to die of
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Kikos way she conducted herself on this podcast what makes her like Andrew take a Dr are you're just bit take a big fat drag of your no because I I personally think that he treats me so well that I
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of graywant to treat him like a king and every day I treat him like a king because he treats me so well there's list what the hell he's talking about he there's nothing wrong with treating your girl like royalty because she will treat you like royalty
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Bangs (Anai)back the woman the way that your woman treats you is a reflection of how you treat her as well that is so true I'd like to say that a lot of men n that's would complain about like oh I don't
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Bangs (Anai)want a masculine woman but in reality what makes a masculine woman weak feminine men which which came first the chicken
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Brian Atlasor the egg I don't know no that's true in a relationship think TR truth be told though like okay if you treat your girl like a a queen she's going to treat you like a king no I would actually argue
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Brian Atlaslike most dudes who are like tricking and sing on chicks a lot of women actually have contempt for the dudes that are sing and tricking and doing all that doing all this extra let me get you flowers on the first dat nah
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Brian Atlasyou don't you don't really respect that dude you actually kind of like the guy who's kind of the bad boy who kind of treats you where is this coming from you you a lot of women I'm not again I'm not saying all women but I I look at what's
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Brian Atlasgoing on especially among like younger women for example in college it comes out of the what's it what's that saying out of the horse's mouth women literally say this they like bad boys immature