PSYCHO Troll REFUSES To LEAVE?! Police Come?! Keeko, Bangs, Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #129

Date: 2023-12-20

Duration: 6h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLydia (DT129)>

LLizzy Love (DT129)>

KKitty (DT129)>

AAurora (DT129)>

HHaley (DT129)>

oof gray (DT129)>

PPriya (DT146)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SSophia (DT129)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_02Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Bangs (Anai)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lizzy Love(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_13Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_14of gray(guest)

Key Moments

OtherLydia introduces herself and her taxidermied raccoon

“Lydia reveals she has a censorship-free VR startup; Brian didn't know about raccoon.”

OtherLydia reveals she takes lithium for bipolar type 2

“Brian asks about her medication list; she discloses lithium, asthma inhaler, Claritin. Brian asks 'That's pretty heavy for bipolar?'”

OtherKiko reveals she dated a 28yo when she was 14

“In context of age-gap debate, Kiko discloses she dated a 28yo at age 14. Describes it as a good experience at the time but now recognizes it as 'sick and twisted.'”

OtherAndrew Tate donates $1,000 to the show

“TTS reads: 'Andrew Tate donated $1,000 — congrats on the success of your podcast, will do an episode soon, big 2024.' Panel reacts; Brian pops champagne.”

OtherBrian injures hand attempting to open champagne bottle

“Brian cuts his hand on the champagne cage while trying to open a bottle. Kiko eventually opens it after Brian loosens it.”

OtherAurora and Haley discover they dated parallel toxic exes

“Both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses, were mama's boys, and damaged their cars.”

ControversyLydia snorts powder substance on table and refuses to leave

“Lydia takes out powder (suspected BC powder or medication), snorts it on the table. Brian trespasses her. She refuses to leave. Police called.”

ControversyBrian calls police; Lydia refuses to leave and presses toward Brian

“Brian: 'I have trespassed you, you are now legally trespassing.' Police called; Lydia still refuses. Panelists uncomfortable. One panelist says she wants to leave due to raccoon proximity.”

Otherof gray says she is a fan of the podcast

“of gray tells Kiko she watches the show and yells at the screen; never thought she'd get on. Kiko compliments her looks in person.”

OtherBrian apologizes to panelists for Lydia incident

“Brian apologizes to panelists for the troll incident; Lydia was a plus-one he didn't vet fully. Considered removing by force but avoided liability.”

OtherSelf-rating round begins — Kiko 7.5, Bangs 10, Brian 5

“Stiffler TTS triggers self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Bangs/Anai: 10 ('always'). Brian: 5 (dad bod). of gray: ~5-5.5. Aurora: 8. Kitty: 8.”

OtherBody count round — Aurora reveals 52

“Panel goes around on body counts. Aurora says 52. Anai says 12 (revised from 11). Kitty: 13. Others decline.”

OtherBrian reveals DHS $700,000 ASU study targeting Whatever Podcast

“Brian reads tweet: US DHS paid ~$700k to counterterrorism NGO to suppress manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast on Twitter. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.' 73-page report from Arizona State University / McCain Institute.”

OtherBrian gives final year-end speech for 2023

“Brian recaps 2023: 70M views/month, over $100k in the red at start, DHS hit piece, Vice and NYPost articles, health issues (neck/back). Thanks Nick, Madison (who got pizza in rain), editors, mods, parents, patrons.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation, location). Brian goes around table asking relationship status and longest relationship.

Lydia Troll Incident

Lydia (SPEAKER_06) behaves erratically: brings taxidermied raccoon, claims to be in simulation, takes medications on air, snorts powder substance, refuses to leave after being trespassed. Police called. Arrested ~1:50. Show temporarily goes to intro screen to avoid channel strike. Post-incident discussion and cleanup.

Age Gap Relationships Debate

Extended debate on whether large age gaps in adult relationships (e.g., 18yo + 40yo) are acceptable. Kiko opposes; Andrew Wilson defends. Topics: brain development, power dynamics, voting age consistency, Kiko's experience dating 28yo at age 14.

Aurora's Toxic Relationship Story

Aurora shares story of abusive 3-year relationship with Ukrainian ex (~32yo): broke car window from inside, threatened deportation, stole $4,000, proposed 2 days before breakup. Ex suspected to have drug problem.

Haley & Aurora Parallel Toxic Ex Stories

Haley and Aurora discover they both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses and damaged both their cars.

Sophia Joins Panel / Introduction

Sophia (21, CSU Channel Islands, nanny) joins panel after Lydia's removal. Brian introduces her and gets her background.

Concealed Carry / Dating a Man with a Gun

TTS donation prompts question: 'How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere?' Panel mostly supportive. Discussion of hero complex, California gun laws, and Korea comparison.

Trolley Problem Ethical Dilemmas

Panel works through multiple trolley dilemma variants (Neal's Absurd Trolley Problems). Discussed to lighten mood after Lydia incident.

BDSM & Dominatrix Profession

Kitty's dominatrix work discussed. Debate on what percentage of men are into BDSM. Kitty estimates 45%; Andrew Wilson disputes. New York vs LA BDSM culture compared.

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Stiffler chat donation prompts self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Anai/Bangs: 10. Lydia (already gone): n/a. Kitty: 8. Aurora: 8. Haley: 7. of gray: 5–5.5. Priya: not clearly captured. Sophia: 10 ('mindset'). Brian: 5 ('dad bod'). Anai and Sophia both claim 10.

Feminist Identity & Provider Dynamics

of gray declares herself feminist for the general public but personally traditional. Brian challenges contradiction: wanting provider but wanting equal pay. Discussion of wage gap, mating pressure on men, affirmative action, education system. Panel answers: most prefer provider over 50/50.

Andrew Wilson vs Panel — Feminism & Rights Theory

Andrew Wilson debates of gray and others on rights theory (are rights material or immaterial), gender roles, and hedonism/consequentialism. Extended philosophical debate.

Body Count Discussion & DHS Study Reveal

Panel goes around table on body counts. Aurora: 52. Anai: 12 (previously said 11). Kitty: 13. Haley: declined ('single digits'). of gray: declined (single digits). Brian reveals DHS-funded $700k ASU study targeting manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.'

Year-End Closing Statements

Brian gives year-end speech: 2023 recap (70M views/month), thanks Nick, Madison, editors, mods, parents, patrons. Chilean military uniform explained. Brian announces 3-4 week break; returns ~Jan 21, 2024. Andrew Tate donates $1,000 during show.

Transcript

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Haleythis is insan the first second you literally called it the first question literally just her her age and her I feel like it started on Rael when I said

Kikoare you performance artist she introduced the sling I saw her F that was raccoon I mean she's a clearly

Kittytroll eccentric at first I thought she going to get arrested she really wants to get arrested did she actually say that she didn't sign the form she probably wrote you or something on it well she signed it doesn't it mean that technically this footage can't be

Bangs (Anai)used on and then it screws everyone over if she didn't sign it I have no idea I think she did sign it but it was like in another took a picture yeah but that's still that's still something doctors do that

Kikoall the time CU that would be really that would be really screwed up though if she didn't sign it cuz then it's like oh you can't use any of it you stupid

Lydialook at this like what the what the it's probably honestly it's probably chalk it's probably one of her medications she took the capsule open like I used to be on lithium I was on lithium once it looks

Lydialike that when you open it is something crushed up for sure it's not it's not salt but it's not sugar that's probably lithium no prob lium there none of the bottles said lithium she probably has so many she just put powdered sugar be

Kikopowdered sugar I'll I don't give a no it's bad science maybe powder up you they have a scent to it like a chemically scent like maybe it's powder

LydiaI mean I've done my handful of stupid things therapist you need to go to a behavioral health hospital inpatient 72 minut stay unbelievable

Bangs (Anai)involuntary committed involuntarily all right guys um I hope she gets arrested I really do it's all over Macy at least we'll have a little bit more room that's what I was saying oh I

Bangs (Anai)need to take so I'm so sorry guys I don't know if like Jesus Christ I'm taking if I'm going to be honest that like was a total and I really don't want to be here anymore cuz that made me so

Bangs (Anai)uncomfortable I know that that was represent this panel like I'm actually shaking right now like that was not good at one point where you were like holding

Bangs (Anai)it she just give you on me the raccoon was on me can I sue for that like I do not want to racco on was compens it was like I was going to tell Brian to kick her off cuz obviously she was

Kikotrolling because she sat here she told us she told us that she found the raccoon already taxi her me and then she said it was her pet so it's like okay she looks like she has a powder a powder donut like come on you she

Kikothat was so fun it's wild to me so she came up here she did this cuz she doesn't like the manosphere she doesn't like the red pill stuff she thinks that Brian just gets up here and humiliates women all day what

Kikodid you just do you just hum just made whatever I what how do you how is that helping anything I'm so embarrassed like it's so and

of grayy'all call me cuckoo Kiko what like I've never oh Kiko I've actually watched uh videos with you like your intense debates and when I first saw you I was

Haleylike oh my gosh that's Kiko why do you think I say hi to you m first I'm a fan of this podcast like I genuinely watch it and I sit there and I'm like yelling at the screen cuz I like and you know I was just like shoot might as well send a

of graymessage never thought I'd actually get on and like finally get on and this dumb is going to and honestly I have to say you are much more pretty in person I mean you're so you really are gorgeous

Haleyperfect like perfect complex you are so

Brian Atlasstop all right um so hold on guys let me just address this really quick okay guys um so just the girl in the corner there

Brian Atlasshe wanted to bring that girl their friends I guess I've taken them out of the it's kind of unfortunate because I had some things for her but whatever um I was kind of clear from the beginning

Brian Atlasshe was trolling but I mean that went like very sideways I mean and we like the thing is is like okay you don't like the whatever podcast cool but like all you

Brian Atlasguys came from out of town like that's and like okay do your troll then leave right but like I've trespassed you we could have like I mean I didn't want to open up the liability like we could have

Brian Atlasremov didn't you charge her for what she just kicked over too like it's in the contract the contract yeah we we're going to um we're we're going to uh

Brian Atlaswe're going to probably litigate that um so uh she wouldn't leave wild I hope they were waiting for her downstairs any way we can maybe like really do got that fast yeah we're going

Brian Atlasto have so so very sorry guys it's going to take us a couple more minutes to get everything back together um and uh give me just a sec guys I need to

Kikodo uh a couple things here so old can you guys wrp down the table a little bit 22 I think okay Mak sure she also had the champagne

Haleytoo yeah I think we need to like Clorox it or something take like a 5 minute inmersion

Lydiaor something that yeah that's yeah still there I love the contradiction of hate men for hate being trash and then is a

Haleytrash human being Nick I would spray it down yeah you can still see it from this angle like there's still yeah there's still powder I would def there's there's this I would definely it's like white

Brian Atlasso it's in the cushion tooing one chair sorry guys we're going to get drug

Lydiacushion yeah there yes really good I kind of want they gave her so many chances to not get arrested I know I can't believe she really wanted it down on the table

Lydialike that it's a I mean Cry for Help maybe I don't know wait are the cops actually out cry for help that is pass to cry for help car's out there still out there that's

Kikonot a cry for help that girl deserves to be locked town of alista it's only like 4x4 block radius has its own Police Department that's controlled by the sheriff's department so they get here in 2.2 seconds good at least they

Kikocome yeah this is the college in La they don't yeah like if they make you wait anywhere from 2 to 4 hours or something could have been different but this is the UC like this is a college town so they have their own did you go to ASU in

Kikoperson like online online I just started there online I went to UCSB for like three years I just decided to move okay yeah the ASU has their own like their campus police is really I mean campus police like they can get suited for a

Kikolot of money if they're not you know so they try to be pretty thorough this is mostly like this is done is mostly University most students live here okay most

Brian Atlasof my friends lived here the no bab we can't hear you let me put this back I don't know if you're talking to me yo so hey guys we're going to we're going to be back to the show in just two

Brian Atlasminutes everybody's going to rejoin us we have a special uh a special edition coming um I want to um I I let me just hold on guys if you can just be quiet

Brian Atlashere for a sec um I'd like to apologize to our panelists I had no idea like frankly had I kicked her initially when she started trolling she probably

Brian Atlaswould have pulled that out um immediately um it's incredibly rude that she did that to you guys cuz I know some of you guys flew here some of you d drove here

Brian Atlasyou spent money here you you spent money sorry guys my I'm like kind of in a flight or flight now because she was like trying to press up on me back and I'm like we can look I trust Pastor technically we could have removed

Brian Atlasher by force but I don't want the headache of like she's going to yeah so it's like technically I she was trespassed I could have we could have removed her by force but I was like we're not going to let's just

Haleyshe whatever extremely patient I can I thought Nick was going to pick I would have done itz respect Brian all respect for you

Kikowith her I mean I I I was just I would have maybe just grabbed her by the arm and likeed S grab her by her raccoon and drag her

Brian Atlasdown my SC ear again so I also want to apologize to the viewers um the girl she was a A plus one to the girl who was in the corner there um I mean I thought she

Brian Atlaswas like kind of this quirky girl whatever she had this kind of quirky Instagram but like that was some like pretentious performative um how linked is she with Hassan

Brian Atlasperer uh I saw on her Instagram she did a photo shoot with him I think that's the extent of their relationship look if you want if you come on and control like whatever the way she was doing it before it's like it's kind of annoying but whatever but like when you do that

Bangs (Anai)frankly that was like super creepy I think it made the girls really uncomfortable it scary I've done a lot of crazy but that was like that was

Haleycrazy do not like that she does not represent this panel please no just her and the girl next to her cuz that's her homie so she so quiet for what if you're a friend why are you not yeah no

Brian Atlasthat was that was for sure that was not a good friend stopped her wait also with the microphones I think here's what we're going to do Kiko can you put that one on the ground that's 11 11 and then

Nick (producer)scoot all the mics down we have uh an's friend here grid one mot Sports donated

Nick (producer)$200 okay Troopers let's Soldier on much to do charges to press law suits to file but for now let's talk dating how do you

Haleyfeel about dating a man who carries a weapon everywhere he goes oh that's hot I love a conservative man that is like the hottest thing you could do I help to get my gun license next year like a man

Haleythat wants to protect his girl and his family there is nothing hotter in the world than that responsible gun owners I just get a little scared cuz guns do scare me and I'm not like familiar with yeah like I'm not familiar with them she does she have like a weapon type

Bangs (Anai)of so that was yeah you're you should charge her for for that for no she definitely damaged some of our property talk about this with my therapist I'm I'm going to

Brian AtlasI'm going to send her if anybody knows emergency meeting send me I think I need to adjust the cameras a little bit too maybe um no she did actually do some property damage in here

Brian Atlasguys unfortunately you didn't see it behind the scenes so I don't know if it's worth my time to litigate it um you know we have a what did she uh what did she go after uh she kind of up I mean luckily

Brian Atlasthe stream continued but she up our router um so uh yeah and then it's just ridiculous um

Aurorathat was crazy that was uh anyways should we go around the table was our time on her anyway yeah yeah yeah let's forget about it took too much of our time already yeah and it's really unfortunate that that had to be like our

Andrew Wilsonlast for that to go down on our last show of the of course it was what do you mean it was internet gold it was great I don't know what everyone's complaining about some

Andrew Wilsonlunatic with a tax out freaks out on the whatever pod it's internet gold I don't know what

Brian Atlasanybody a time I mean like for me even though that's Tech like that's content like I don't want that energy

Brian Atlaslike it's just like it's it's not it's not worth it like I content no I don't want that energy like with our podcast she was the raccoon like haha that's

Bangs (Anai)kind of funny but like that other weird like then it gets into like this kind of dark like that that was that made me uncomfortable and there was I don't want to bring it up I don't want to bring it up again but she did mention

Kikoa lot of inappropriate things that were like really sensitive then the screaming when she started screaming I'm like oh this is and like we don't know she snorted she did snort it regardless of what it was let's or sorry

Bangs (Anai)um she did do whatever it was that she was doing I'm like dumbfounded she's trying to get you just she's trying to get you banned yeah well I mean then we would

Brian Atlashave to I mean we would just litigate that so I mean it's that was scary it's not a big deal like we have a we have in in our contract I mean that sometimes in California it's diff can be difficult to

Brian Atlasenforce this but we we have a liquidated damages clause in the uh contract so um um I mean we'll probably um pursue something we'll

Brian Atlaspursue something I mean we'll have to see though um so also Nick technically I mean did you see her you we could perhaps technically go after

Brian Atlasassault cuz she's she was stepping she was stepping at me so not battery but we might be actually you know what we should we talk to should we talk whatever okay let's continue

Brian Atlason all right we'll continue on with the show um all right Jesus Christ bro um should we go WR with the question asked in the in the TTS did did the grid One

Nick (producer)Motorsports TTS come through um like the the I believe that was the one that should that hide hide grid One

Nick (producer)Motorsports donated $200 I believe this lyo is wrecked and complete bad faith she is adding nothing to the conversation Frank Castle this is

Nick (producer)Sparta Also may God have mercy on your soul cause I can find none yeah exactly he he he figured her out early on just like we did oh I mean I knew there he knew he knew instantly grid one always

Brian Atlason it he's like this there's something there's a screw loose here she's up to no good uh he had a he had her Peg pretty quick yeah I mean I knew that there was like uh I just didn't think it

Brian Atlaswas going to go to the that level of like yo once once it's like yo get the out over Le once the bit's done yeah like you don't if you've been trespassed from somewhere like you got

Brian Atlasto go so all right um let me see are we still on members only um or oh sorry guys let me I'm going to open it up to uh all the chatter sorry guys

Brian Atlaswe're going to continue on with the conversation here um let me get get these things up derailed I hope I think this was her drink can I go get my drink I don't

Brian Atlaswant to drink out uh maybe Madison can get it for you I think it's the full cup of yeah I'm sorry I need to adjust the uh one of the cameras um would you like

Kikoto introduce yourself you're joining the panel yeah my name is Sophia I'm 21 I'm coming off of a cold and I am a student where do you go to school Channel Islands very yeah CSU very nice

Kikoare you what's your occupation uh I'm a nanny but I'm going to school to be like a teacher okay very nice very nice what you want to teach elementary yeah I want to be like a kid

Kikon grer teacher or something very wholesome very opposite of what's your relationship status we need toing sing newly how newly single okay what's your longest relationship oh that was the longest relationship that's the only

Kikorelationship I've been in okay how long was it oh too many years okay too many years he's not watching oh yeah probably is we used to watch the show together yeah oh sorry so your relationship

Kikostatus yeah single oh single as of like last week oh as of last week is it on again off again no nobody wants to in the beginning it was but it's like solid like at least 3 four years okay yeah so

Kikooh it's been on again off again in the beginning and it end did a week ago yeah is this like the final though or is you guys are probably going to get back together no she's I'm going to Germany

Brian Atlasin like a couple months so who who ended it me um I have a question for the chat I you know Nick was kind of We Were not really attuned to this did you guys miss

Brian Atlasand maybe Andrew you can weigh in on what you saw did you guys miss most of what was going on because we we put it on the intro because she was frankly doing some like to that was crazy sh

Andrew Wilsonwell I'm not I'm not going to lie to you that was all broadcast we did see it all here at least on this channel um if you would like the footage we can send you

Brian Atlasthat footage but we did see it all live that was not well whatever ever whatever we see here you see Andrew so did you watch hands yeah a good point oh no yeah

Bangs (Anai)I went to the bathro okay yeah thank you it's Terror I'm going to go wash my hands you know who acted best in that whole situation was Kiko what I do well I mean she like she

Kikotook control she was dominant Alpha chick she went over swept up the pills and from she did like she did did the whole night I'm in the College of watts of policy and commity service so

Kikoyou know I I really wanted to let my major shine through right there swt up their Hill I literally R Hill the whole line I ran once that raccoon started getting close to me I got so scared that

Brian AtlasI mean I felt the bad vibes when she came in with the raccoon I'm sorry yo for the viewers um I know that it might have sucked that we were like going to the intro or whatever we just had to be

Brian Atlasvery careful because we didn't want her to do any like proper sabotage where we could have have been like if we had got that on camera when she was I don't know if you saw what she was trying to do but like then there could

Brian Atlashave been other so we were going going back and forth with the uh that intro screen just bro we got to be careful with the channel like that's uh that's some crazy so um I apologize that if you guys were kind of like what

Brian Atlasthe hell's going on we can't see anything uh we just got to be uh risk averse to that kind of so anyways moving on guys moving on and I'll send all that footage over to whatever want

Brian Atlasto release we probably whatever you got she has she and we were record all of us when did you start recording like I turned around she was already recording

Kikoimmedately like when she started doing the when she started taking out all the asked me to start recording did you start recording before she no oh okay did you got did anybody get the No No we I was so shocked no

Haleyliterally couldn't see that never in a million she just so quick she just a boom and then Bo I'm not sure we should we should have we probably should have had a camera on I mean she had like it on her no I mean yeah whatever it was

KikoI'm pretty sure the reaction from the pills wasn't big enough for her she thought we were going to react more and since we w we had to do another big stunt that was what finally got her to go because the threat of the cops didn't seem to do it the cops are here her

Haleyfriends yeah her friend pretty much like was like I don't know her friend was not a good in on it for she was 100% she she was just like sitting there like she yeah exactly what the and I straight up

Kikoasked her I'm like does does this girl act like this normally and she just look at she pretended I was like I brought my friend on here I brought my friend Deana on here for one segment I think it was

Kikowith um with uh what's his name not Ben Shapiro the little Andrew no Michael Noles Michael I saw that was if she would have done something like that I would have been like are you crazy

Kikolike you're making me look crazy right now like uh-uh I don't know her anymore if I started doing this if it would have dragged me out yeah oh my God that's not a good friend that's what I'm saying she was not a good friend that's that's how she's standing up to the manosphere and

Kikored like that's your biggest stand the dumb girl like a crazy okay you sure you sure got Brian looking like a psychopath I just didn't like go honestly I hate when she atted Andrew

Haleythat's what pissed me off that's a father of five you're going to start that that's post the like the behind theot yeah I I'll have to figure out where we post it probably on our Clips Channel I think I'll I mean of it might

Brian Atlasnot be depending on what we got we might we'll chop it up uh it might take a couple days for us to get it on the clips Channel but okay let's let's redirect let's redirect is there anything

Brian Atlaslike kind of like to lighten the well there was a question in the last TTS that came through did you pull the here oh here we go I can't believe you're not talking

Brian Atlasabout the obvious that crazy be has uh GLE herpes and was snorting vow tracks to control her outbreak Brian on herpes alone you had legal authority to end [Laughter]

Brian Atlasher damn I got Jay Butler is coming through always okay

Brian Atlasum that was ridiculous um and it's just like it's a waste of the uh it's also just like a waste of the police resources too like they could be doing

Lydiaother like absolutely don't waste the police's time like that although she probably not a fan crazy I'm so they can get her committed for like at least at least to get an

Bangs (Anai)evaluation no she's going she's going to say oh I was like is performative blah blah blah was trolling like I mean yeah yeah so um it's taking too much energy out of us I wonder I'm just like trying

Brian Atlasto brainstorm if there's something kind of light maybe wa I don't know if this would be funny but body count I had an idea that might be cringe but it could could be funny so um oh God

Brian Atlasso on a piece of paper I don't know if we're going to do it I I was going to say I wanted you guys to draw like what you guys this is kind getting a little okay uh oh draw what you think the like

Brian Atlasan average pen sizes on a piece of paper oh my god do you have a is that kind of funny like is that funny or cringe why can you just ask well because I feel like if you you could do like this or whatever like with wait let me ask the

Brian Atlaschat can you pull up the chat chat do you think that' beol should draw penises though and like show them so we'll do on like we'll give you we'll give you each a piece of paper here I'll look on that can you try to refresh that or some

Brian Atlasis this is this like YouTube guidelines friendly as long as you don't like draw an actual act maybe just like here if you drew it like just the length like

Haleythis like if you drew it like that okay they can't even see it ran everyone know like it's realistic in that I mean it's more like an Insight what we think is

Andrew WilsonAndrew we can't hear you by the way no it's okay I'm kind of uh I'll unmute when I'm talking here talk a bit to my chat they want to know what's going on with different sorry sorry so Chad I

Brian Atlasmissed it is it hard or soft wait no no not this one um one in the chat if you'd like to see like what they think the average pen size is or two in the chat no it's to gay Brian is that weird yeah

Bangs (Anai)is that a trash idea let's just do average like what we've been with can we do that like how many like what's the average or pref

KikoGod bro can we leave the dick size talk yeah yeah I will I freaking headache now damn dude get

Nick (producer)OBS back up GR One Motorsports donated $200 got to admit snorting BC powder was something I did not see coming but I

Brian Atlascould smell the crazy on that one the minute I got home and tuned in if you wanted to you could go around on my last TTS sorry I yeah sorry I'm just kind of

Brian Atlasuh what's the uh flustered so it's some disheveled not not disheveled but um what what was yeah flustered you are FL you are flustered your face is really

Brian Atlaspink yeah no I'm flustered well it's hot Nick can you open the open both the doors please made it worse um so the grid One Motorsports we'll go around the table on this how do you feel about dating a man who carries

Brian Atlasa concealed weapon everywhere he goes are we going around the table or yeah we'll start with Kea then we'll go around the table two thumbs up my guy wait into the mic if you can two thumbs

Bangs (Anai)up I would admit I am a little scared of guns because I don't have any experience with them can you open the doors I don't have any experience with

Bangs (Anai)guns but um I do love a conservative looking man I feel like everywhere they go sounds

Haleyreally paranoid so that's kind of weird I am dating one so I have no problem with it yeah I don't have an opinion I prefer it there

Haleyis nothing hotter than a man protecting his his his own nothing more hot um I live in a carry states so the

of grayonly reason you know me and my boyfriend would want to have a gun is is because other people have guns so if they have guns we should have guns to protect

of grayoursel otherwise I would never have a gun you know I I I find it interesting like the laws around guns in America because in Korea they're like

of graydetrimentally illegal but in America it's it's so free here like there's you can carry it on you and you can use them and self-defense I just think it's really interesting because Korea is is a

of grayvery South Korea is a very safe country and even you know when like businessmen are out partying and they faint in the streets they still have their Rolex on only the police carry batons we never

Haleyeven carry guns that's why it's so important that we're able to like we need to be able to fight against our own government bad day ever came yeah that's true go ahead P absolutely love it huge

Brian Atlasgreen plag um and wait you said that you you would prefer that because you're anxious everywhere you go did or did I totally no I said that sounds par to carry it

Auroraeverywhere oh to carry it I see okay you don't like bring it it's going to be the one time you bring it that's true you never know what's going to happen being

Bangs (Anai)in California or any other state in America to be honest I feel like it somewhat in like how things are going right now with like the amount of like gun violence there is I think there is a

Bangs (Anai)useful point for it I guess um but I would say that I think the a man that carries almost has like a fascination of like being like oo like I'm going to

Bangs (Anai)protect this hero comp like a hero complex yeah I would say he almost has a hero complex nothing wrong with that I'm just saying I don't know I think it can be kind of Del What's um what's a hero

Bangs (Anai)complex like he wants to protect I mean and save the day yeah swoop in and save the day like he almost has like ooh yeah like he's like packing it he's like low key when he's packing it he's like damn

Bangs (Anai)I hope something happens today yeah yeah they're not saying it as necessarily a bad thing I'm not saying it yeah I'm not saying I'm not saying as bad I'm not saying it as a bad thing but that's just

Bangs (Anai)kind of funny and like I think that's kind of cute like how a man thinks that that mean that women who don't carry have a victim complex I'm not saying don't think it's like a one to one what

Andrew Wilsona turn who said that I'm just saying it's like a reaching bro I'm saying it's like a I don't say it's reaching if you say that men who carry which is the m

Andrew Wilsonvast majority carriers of guns complex then by the same logic is it a victim complex the other way I'm just same don't even respond yeah like just calm

Andrew Wilsondown don't don't even don't even respond yeah I mean why follow your own logic to its conclusion that seems let's not dig let's not dig too deep onto that one but um what do you Andrew are you familiar

Brian Atlaswith the trolley dilemma the trolley problem trolley car problem the trolley problem what do you think if we had the girls do there's like a website that has like of the like 20 different variations

Brian Atlasoh man should we have of of the trolley car problem yeah chat what do you guys think one in the chat if you want all the girls collectively to vote on the

Brian Atlastrolley problem is so we can so we can assess their ethical reasoning wait what morality you what you guys think the trolley dilemma one in the chat for the trolley dilemma it'll take like we won't

Brian Atlasdo all of them it'll take 5 minutes um I feel like I've sent it before let me see if I can find it Nick if you can Google Neil NE e a l trolley I know what it is

Brian Atlasproblem I think it's the Absurd trolley problems uh just Google that well I think that'll like kind of be fun and you'll just like chill out I need to

Brian Atlaschill out too so it'll just be and then we can get into the the heated culture War what's that up yeah so do you have it um can you make it a little bigger and I want you to put us on the other

Brian Atlasside actually in the corner can you Corner us I can do that or that let's Corner us yeah um can you make it bigger

Brian Atlasum can you put uh make it bigger now make it bigger and then put the small one the small one and then just can you drag it into the

Haleycorner I feel like I'm going to get this wrong uhoh wait uh it's an ethical question you can't there's no wrong it's just like what you here make it big make it big your values uh make it smaller

Brian Atlasactually so and what yeah everyone will answer differently uh what the hell start this sat wait here I'm I'm going to do it hold on here uh somebody what uh Anna what's

Brian Atlasthe uh craziest date you've been on in the past craziest date Sophia's new so

Bangs (Anai)how she just got out of a relationship craziest State I've been celibate since April that's not necessarily synonyms though what celibate and date are two

Bangs (Anai)different oh no yeah I know I haven't gone on I've been like no boys completely so that's what I mean by that nothing that there's anything wrong I'm just like taking a little break because I've had a lot of stuff I've had to work

Bangs (Anai)on how about ever craziest date ever on oh okay one time I met up with this guy from Tinder and I had to go pick him up and then I got a huge red flag I was

Bangs (Anai)going to say already had to go pick him up and then the craziest part is that I got pulled over got a ticket

Bangs (Anai)um cuz I was speeding and and then I was like having an episode at the time I have BPD but I was definitely like having like a little bit of an episode

Bangs (Anai)and then we were like this was my first time meeting him I was like really crazy at the time I would never do this ever again but we did have like sex um and then I almost almost passed

Bangs (Anai)out during the sex because I was like it was it was there was like a lot of emotions in my body so I almost like passed out and then um I kicked him out the next morning and then he had me pull

Bangs (Anai)over because he wanted to throw up and then on the way there he told me he was like on medication and I asked him what type of medication he was on and he was like on a very questionable medication

Bangs (Anai)that made me not not saying anything was wrong with that medication but I have been on that medication he was was like maybe be with the issues

Bangs (Anai)ASE at that type of level they're on and they were living at a sober house at that sorry they were living at a sober house at that time and then I I just couldn't I couldn't hang out with them anymore it was they were just too dysfunctional and I was very

Brian Atlasdysfunctional at the time so probably a good decision regardless as regardless where you're Point yeah we're going to go to the trolley dilemma wait actually before that let me just read the chat

Brian Atlaswait what's going on back there she just wants to be included in the description oh I think we do have her don't we said no we just oh I might have accident I oh did I keep her in oh

Brian Atlassorry I removed I kept the oh my God crazy girl I fly here so I just like want the you were in it I

Brian Atlasaccidentally removed you um okay I'm you were in it but then I I I mixed the two Instagram accounts up so here let me just what what's just tell us what it is

Brian AtlasI'll retype it real quick sorry I miss God damn it okay what is

Brian Atlasit what's your can you oh OV v g r a e OV v g r a e is that okay all right um I accidentally took it out when I was taking the I was trying to yeah I was

Brian Atlastrying to take them two out but let me actually make sure I I took the that other girl out too hold on guys um uh one sec don't add hers don't add it's not

Brian Atlasokay we're good hey don't add hers I didn't go ahead Nick okay um so guys this is the Absurd Charley problem or well this is trolley

Brian Atlasproblem trolley dilemma philosophical ethical okay so oh no a trolley is heading towards five people you can pull the lever to divert it to the other track killing one person instead what do

Brian Atlasyou do pull the lever so I I I think I don't know if we pull the lever wrong do we could do this as a consensus raise your hand if you want to

Brian Atlaspull the lever so we're going to save the five people okay go ahead because either way you're gonna be oh Nick can you hide hide us or can you

Brian Atlasa do I have to move us to the other side now okay 73 yeah you can actually try to move us okay just hit next okay no oh no Charlie is heading towards

Brian Atlasfive people you can pull the lever to divert it to the other track killing four people instead what you do the least amount of pull the lever is this boring wait chat is this boring this is boring we're all going to choose

Kikopull the lever yeah is this boring chat just keep we're almost done aren we okay just go is it is this boring chat

Brian Atlasjust press next to take get okay next Nick oh no Charlie's heading towards five people you can pull the lever to diver to divert it to the other track but then your life savings will be

Brian Atlasdestroyed what do you do p pull the lever pull the lever so your money over five people okay so hide it Nick so I can read it quick money yeah 60% 60% of

Haleypeople agree with you 40% disagree next that's so dark that's dark they must have large life savings welcome to all right oh no Charlie's heading towards five people

Brian Atlasyou can pull the lever tide to to divert it to the other pull the okay

Brian Atlas61 we'll do seven of these I guess this what's going wrong with Society a trolley is heading towards five people you can pull the lever hold on you can pull the lever to divert it to

Brian Atlasthe other track but then the original copy of the monisa will be destroyed I'm going to kill people I'll kill art right okay we've seen it enough

Brian Atlasn uh okay just next next 7 76% people a charlee is heading towards a rich man the rich man offers you 500,000 to pull the lever which would divert the trolley

Haleyand kill someone else what do you do wait wait I would not I would not don't be fake now no no a rich man

Haleyoffers you $500 to pull cuz the whole premise why I love this even thought experiment is because either way whether you pull the trigger or the lever or you don't you are still part of the murder

Haleybecause you still had a part in the decision so I'm going to choose the one that is going to least have me murder like the you have to pull the lever to actually kill somebody here like uh you

Haleyknow like yes you get paid more but like you you would actually have to do the diverting are you are you pulling the lever to murder somebody or you pulling the lever to save people from being murdered that's the question well that's

Haleywhat I'm trying to say is like in this scenario it's already going toward towards that man like it's one life versus One Life neither is more important so I'm not going to pull that lever to divert it because now I'm

Kikoofficially actually really in it but this is one verse one it's already going towards him I would not pull I would do who wants $500,000 I would pull I would I would take the 500,000 cuz wait I see your I see your side and I do agree that

Kikois how it is but like and how is that any different from me consciously not pulling that Leever lever I'm consciously killing him by choosing it's it's your own it's what you could live with I could

Haleynot live with that I know but I'm regardless I know what you're saying KN know that I knowing that I went and actively pulled on it just so I could get money like it does have it has that icky feeling for sure that's like at least at least this way you just aren't

Kikodoing anything but regardless for me it's like I'm going you're still part of it I'm going to walk away still knowing that by not pulling that lever that I murdered that rich man I mean some Mur stop stop stop stop stop since there's some debate on this I'll go around the

Brian Atlastable I'm going to ask each one of you what do you do so pull it up really quick Nick so Kiko in this one so if you pull the lever you get a $500,000 one person dies you don't pull the lever one

Bangs (Anai)person dies you don't get 500,000 what do you do do you pull the lever or do nothing um I pull the lever and get the money I grew up Catholic I would have a guilty conscious I would not pull the lever I wouldn't pull the lever I would

of graydo nothing I would probably pull the lever I would pull the lever I would not pull the lever um

of graysorry uh H I don't know if I would do anything but just pray yeah so not P the lever yeah I would not pull the

Brian Atlaslever okay so what does did anyone I think it was do nothing I think that was oh yeah sorry the to the totality was okay go ahead Nick yeah that's the

Brian Atlasconsensus it seems uh I'm surprised it's even that close just show us just show or tell us what why don't you read it tell us what what the number

Brian Atlasbut if you pull the and get theone okay funeral give his family money this one's ridic a trolley wait guys a trolley is heading towards five lobsters you can pull the lever to divert it to the other

Kikotrack running over a cat what do you do lobsters are dying I think I'm dead okay the no do do nothing yeah sorry sorry do

Brian Atlasnothing do nothing okay to move people AG 15 okay okay this will be the this oh this one this will be the last one um oh no Charlie is heading towards five people who are sleeping and won't feel pain you can

Brian Atlaspull the lever to divert it to the other track running over someone who's wide awake instead what do you do pull the lever pull the lever pull the lever yeah

Brian Atlasyeah everybody pull lever okay okay one one more one more one more 51 it's that's pretty disagree with that right that's crazy mind oh okay this is the last one oh no trolley is heading

Brian Atlastowards five people who tied themselves to the track you can pull the lever to divert it to the other track killing one person who accidentally tripped onto the track instead what do you do do nothing oh they tied themselves in this one um

Brian Atlasthey can die I'm going to say yeah I would do nothing they tied themselves to that one I'm sorry it's like a I do nothing I think do nothing yeah I would

Brian Atlaspull the lever oh wait wait I mean yeah cuz I get it do not pull the l oh pull

Brian Atlasthe lever brings it sorry I misread it brings it to the top person

Andrew Wilsonwait pulling the lever makes it go to the top so in this listen so in this dilemma what they're saying is these five people consciously did this put themselves in the situation whereas the

Andrew Wilsonother person the single person did not oh I'm in this case would you still even though the other people wanted to be there and the one wouldn't would you pull the lever in order to take out the

Kikoone I saved the one I saved the one save the one so that's do nothing right by the way chat you guys it's already it's already going straight I think it's do nothing no it's

Kikodo nothing it's do nothing I want to save we're saving the one every time you pull the lever it's the word on top that trip we have to pull the lever it's already I it go straight not pulling the

Brian Atlaslever brings it to the top trap every time all right every yeah do do nothing yeah that's thank you so what is the Show versus like is it supposed to people agree with you okay wait what's the okay okay we'll do one more one more one more okay a trolley is heading

Brian Atlastowards five people the lever just speeds up the trolley which might make it less painful what do you do speed it up I'd pull the lever pull pull a lever oh it makes it less painful oh 28

Brian Atlasto agre okay I do that I couldn't kill one on top oh this one's funny okay I swear I swear this is the last one a trolley is heading towards one guy you can pull the lever to divert it to the other track but then your Amazon package will be late what do you do oh my

HaleyGod pull the L agreed okay cool that's an influencer 21% disagreed with that are you kidding that was all the influencers that was

Andrew Wilsonall the trolls all right okay uh back to our regular now hang on hang on let me let me ask something okay let me ask this question because what this thought experiment is supposed to demonstrate is

Andrew Wilsonthat you would be willing to save um you know the the many over the few but let me ask you the question in a different way the trolley is going down the track and it's going to hit five

Andrew Wilsonpeople but there's a fat guy next to the track and you can push him and that'll stop the train would you push him I've this is the kind of question is this that before well this is a this is

Kikothe question with the time your logic so if you'd answer it' be great I I can't even like wrap my my mind around that question kind of going back to what um you said Haley right what you said like when it's the act of

Haleyactually doing something like yeah I agree with you I couldn't push somebody like it's easier to like even in that moment I probably just freeze anyways like you know I would even be strong enough to push a man in front of a train that's fat enough to stop I

Bangs (Anai)wouldn't be able to push involve yourself in a murder or not that's like yeah you would still get charged for murder actually for doing that so this way you wouldn't be because see you in

Bangs (Anai)jail Andrew County Prison you're pushing the fat guy not me I'm sorry you're asking well no I I I didn't say that I would I posed the question what would you do Andrew yeah

Andrew Wilsonwhat would you do I would I would not push him but I also wouldn't divert the track most of the time so there might be times where there's no lives at stake but uh you know the the problem with

Andrew Wilsonthis is that I actually have just asked you basically the same question that the trolley cart's asking you but you give a different answer and the answer is that a more aggressive in some circumstances

Andrew Wilsonyou will opt for saving the most amount of lives until what until uh you have and then go to for it this is different you nailed it Andrew actually

Bangs (Anai)you did nail that one that's exactly what we're saying we would not push the fat man because we would go to jail not even because we go to jail just I wouldn't be able to live yeah but I mean

Andrew Wilsonif there was no consequences even I wouldn't do it either way that's I well that's the that's the thing it's a it's a moral dilemma there's no don't it's not a wrong or right answer why are you

Andrew Wilsonfinding the thought experiment is des specifically to kind of gauge whether you move more towards the side of consequence or not but most people answer it the same way that you do so

Haleymakes me think about abortion did you agree with most of our answers Andrew yeah I well I mean I think they're reasonable yeah fair enough good times fair enough

Brian Atlassorry guys my computer's bugging out um oh my God I'm still I'm still kind of Sal I'm salty bro I'm

Bangs (Anai)salty I'm I'm salty okay um let's see here it's just rude to you guys that pisses me off more like like I'm pissed too yeah took a lot of

Bangs (Anai)convincing to be here did anybody fly here yes I paid she said she came from Arizona drove my boyfriend I drove she drove from Arizona how you you flew here

Haleyyeah my work days to come yeah I gave up I'm sorry got speak I'm so sorry I can you put that on the ground that I drove

Haleyhere um I mean I it was only like a 6- hour drive but it but it is gas it's it's yeah yeah hold on

Brian Atlasso maybe I'm just way too focused in on this just just so you the the viewers understand Beyond just what you saw and Beyond her with me so you

Brian Atlasunderstand the inconsideration not just to me but to each individual here uh like Kiko I know you're local but you

Brian Atlasyou drove here how into the mic only 45 minutes but yeah but you still came you still came here it made you uncomfortable you were sitting next to her who knows what that stuff was that was crazy well you were behind the

Lydiascenes what about where are you from Northern Arizona my boyfriend and I drove 12 hours to get here a couple hundred on a hotel yeah um what about

Haleyyou let's sewer we came together so I hours two hours in the rain okay yeah in the rain uh I drove but then I also

of grayhad to you know give up my work days you know so I'm also losing money to yeah um I took T flights from U to be here Colorado from um Denver to LAX and then

Brian AtlasLAX to Santa Barbara you flew in specifically to Santa Barbara and it's not cheap to fly into Santa Barbara Santa Santa Barbara guys Santa Barbara's a regional airport so three terminals

Brian Atlaswell it's not like for example flying into LAX it might cost sometimes it's two times or three times $700 $300 can you say how much it costs for you and your um so my boyfriend was

of graysupposed to come with me for moral support but he um has a very busy schedule so it was about $980 for both of us but for the oh okay

of grayso then he used his points that he didn't spend for this flight so that we could spend Christmas in New Year that's crazy I'm so sorry and then what about

Haleyhotel your Uber here yeah um there's like what a hotel Hilt but what a coup yeah get some damages uh PR what about you can I actually her because I was

Bangs (Anai)right next to her and that raccoon was right on me and I that got on me the raccoon juice no the powder the powder like let's not talk let's not talk about

Brian AtlasI let's not talk about the powder um but sorry but I a healthy person what are you doing so the reality is um

Brian AtlasI mean that's she's I mean what she was doing could have potentially brought the stream down maybe it still could I don't know so I mean that's I You could argue like when

Brian Atlasit comes to liability each one of you uh because of her ma her malicious and intentional

Brian Atlastorous no I'm I mean you you could like there could be some sort of claim that you

Brian Atlasguys as individuals have uh potentially for emot taking to judge no not em like no but just like hey you guys came here in good faith you spent all I don't know

Brian Atlasif there's any lawyers in wait Andrew Wilson can we call upon James sexon Andrew Wilson can James ston let I don't know if you're emotional emal div laer I'm sure that he he would know about

Brian Atlasunderstand the law here yeah he would know about like a basic if if this would if her cond cond if she would have any liability to the other panelists because

Brian Atlasshe obviously came in bad faith and intentionally she she she made intentional acts that potent

Brian Atlasthat yeah and emotional distress I don't I don't think that would no yeah you think you can emotional distress a real but that would it would have to be

Andrew Wilsonbecause you have a voluntary exchange and you allow you allow her to come on um you know basically the only thing she actually did wrong was possibly try to damage your equipment and then not leave

Andrew Wilsonexactly when you told her to but then did leave so ultimately I think that um I I yeah I wouldn't litigate it uh I wouldn't give her any more of your head

Andrew Wilsonspace either I would completely kick all that to the side completely worthless and we've already got what we needed from her which was her rage quit and we can move on with this show yeah I was

Brian Atlasjust just trying to make the point that it's like you guys are all innocent in this you guys came here in good faith she obviously had a problem with the show but for her to like if it was a

Brian Atlasone-on-one interview and she's just us over then whatever I get it but like it's incredibly disrespectful to you guys and as you guys are my guests I kind of feel a type of way about that on your behalf cuz that's not

Brian AtlasI'm I'm upset about it for my own reasons but like it's mean to with my guests so and I don't like that so again I apologize to you guys okay all right all right let's move on let's move on

Brian Atlasumh okay uh so let's get into some show notes Here uh sorry guys uh we hit her we got Aur we did everything with Aur

Nick (producer)okay man I'm sorry I got to cut in but one of my guys going back was donated $200 Brian you and Nick should have grabbed her quickly and yeated her as

Nick (producer)out the door psycho Bish came in with a raccoon and did pills living on pod then she put the ragon in Brian's face nuts she also barked she bared so

Haleyone of my guys analyzing the footage and says that she said a 5 minute alarm what you yeah she had an alarm come off to remind her she said a 5

Andrew Wilsonminute alarm so that she would get out at exactly the 5 minute Mark wait how do you know I'm not defending her I'm not defending I don't know I'm just explaining that one of the people was

Andrew Wilsonanalyzing the footage that I took here says that yeah she definitely said an alarm so I just I don't know you might thought she had 5 minutes you forgot

Brian Atlasthis is ucpd uh uh here we got Kitty uh you're an sorker correct I guess that's what you said I think in your

Brian Atlasyour notes Here BDSM work uh you said that your ex sent you a since your mom a what um yeah the samx

Kittydid it to my car um sent my mom a picture of me sucking his dick what the

Brian Atlasyeah what a special stop it get some help okay um let's see you said there's a repo guy story do you want to tell us

Brian Atlasthat the repo repo guy story you went on two dates with this guy you met at his place then his carar repoed oh yes yes yes um that was when I was living at

KittyAustin Texas for a year um I didn't really know people when I lived there and I went on POF and this dude said that

Nick (producer)he cost times donated sh hey Brian love Andrew not necessarily the Christian what is his advice for a non-Christian who agree but

Andrew Wilsonof differences with the approach he approach I'm not um I'm not the guy who goes around and beats people over the head head with the Bible if I'm in a debate and we're talking about ethics

Andrew WilsonI'll bring up my ethical Foundation as being Christianity but honestly I think that there are a lot of good atheists out there who try who they don't go after Christians in other words that's

Andrew Wilsonnot really what they're after they tend to like that moral Foundation best for society so I don't you know I have friends who are atheists I have friends who are Christians across the board but I I advocate that Christian morality is

Andrew Wilsonthe finest morality and it's the best and it is part of the foundation of uh who I am but ultimately I'm not yeah you'll never see me do it I mostly always make secular arguments unless we

Andrew Wilsonget into moral foundations because I don't think it's all that effective to beat people over the head with the Bible right yeah that comment should have been more towards Chase I do completely agree with Andrew

Kikoyeah I I don't think that like reciting Bible verses are spewing Bible verses in people's faces is a way to turn them to the faith if anything I think it turns them off I grew up extremely Catholic

Bangs (Anai)and obviously I like you have that Catholic guil growing up like no matter what you will always have that Catholic guilt but something that like hurt me about my church was like that they were

Bangs (Anai)just like spewing all this stuff like unnecessary I guess like at a very young age where it was like really really messing with our heads and like I

Bangs (Anai)really stopped and I guess removed myself from the church even though I like still really hold on to faith I guess in a way but um but yeah I

Bangs (Anai)remember like going to like Sunday school and like hearing like really hate hurtful and hateful like not even directed towards me but it was just like how was that like even part of like a

Andrew Wilsonreligion is just so hateful you know well okay well now now we just got done where I where I say this and then and then we hear this but what do you what I wasn't I wasn't no no I wasn't like

Bangs (Anai)saying like I wasn't trying to bring down the church I'm sorry I wasn't trying to be no I I understand I'm just wondering like what happened which was hateful they would say a lot about um like

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