PSYCHO Troll REFUSES To LEAVE?! Police Come?! Keeko, Bangs, Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #129

Date: 2023-12-20

Duration: 6h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLydia (DT129)>

LLizzy Love (DT129)>

KKitty (DT129)>

AAurora (DT129)>

HHaley (DT129)>

oof gray (DT129)>

PPriya (DT146)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SSophia (DT129)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_02Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Bangs (Anai)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lizzy Love(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_13Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_14of gray(guest)

Key Moments

OtherLydia introduces herself and her taxidermied raccoon

“Lydia reveals she has a censorship-free VR startup; Brian didn't know about raccoon.”

OtherLydia reveals she takes lithium for bipolar type 2

“Brian asks about her medication list; she discloses lithium, asthma inhaler, Claritin. Brian asks 'That's pretty heavy for bipolar?'”

OtherKiko reveals she dated a 28yo when she was 14

“In context of age-gap debate, Kiko discloses she dated a 28yo at age 14. Describes it as a good experience at the time but now recognizes it as 'sick and twisted.'”

OtherAndrew Tate donates $1,000 to the show

“TTS reads: 'Andrew Tate donated $1,000 — congrats on the success of your podcast, will do an episode soon, big 2024.' Panel reacts; Brian pops champagne.”

OtherBrian injures hand attempting to open champagne bottle

“Brian cuts his hand on the champagne cage while trying to open a bottle. Kiko eventually opens it after Brian loosens it.”

OtherAurora and Haley discover they dated parallel toxic exes

“Both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses, were mama's boys, and damaged their cars.”

ControversyLydia snorts powder substance on table and refuses to leave

“Lydia takes out powder (suspected BC powder or medication), snorts it on the table. Brian trespasses her. She refuses to leave. Police called.”

ControversyBrian calls police; Lydia refuses to leave and presses toward Brian

“Brian: 'I have trespassed you, you are now legally trespassing.' Police called; Lydia still refuses. Panelists uncomfortable. One panelist says she wants to leave due to raccoon proximity.”

Otherof gray says she is a fan of the podcast

“of gray tells Kiko she watches the show and yells at the screen; never thought she'd get on. Kiko compliments her looks in person.”

OtherBrian apologizes to panelists for Lydia incident

“Brian apologizes to panelists for the troll incident; Lydia was a plus-one he didn't vet fully. Considered removing by force but avoided liability.”

OtherSelf-rating round begins — Kiko 7.5, Bangs 10, Brian 5

“Stiffler TTS triggers self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Bangs/Anai: 10 ('always'). Brian: 5 (dad bod). of gray: ~5-5.5. Aurora: 8. Kitty: 8.”

OtherBody count round — Aurora reveals 52

“Panel goes around on body counts. Aurora says 52. Anai says 12 (revised from 11). Kitty: 13. Others decline.”

OtherBrian reveals DHS $700,000 ASU study targeting Whatever Podcast

“Brian reads tweet: US DHS paid ~$700k to counterterrorism NGO to suppress manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast on Twitter. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.' 73-page report from Arizona State University / McCain Institute.”

OtherBrian gives final year-end speech for 2023

“Brian recaps 2023: 70M views/month, over $100k in the red at start, DHS hit piece, Vice and NYPost articles, health issues (neck/back). Thanks Nick, Madison (who got pizza in rain), editors, mods, parents, patrons.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation, location). Brian goes around table asking relationship status and longest relationship.

Lydia Troll Incident

Lydia (SPEAKER_06) behaves erratically: brings taxidermied raccoon, claims to be in simulation, takes medications on air, snorts powder substance, refuses to leave after being trespassed. Police called. Arrested ~1:50. Show temporarily goes to intro screen to avoid channel strike. Post-incident discussion and cleanup.

Age Gap Relationships Debate

Extended debate on whether large age gaps in adult relationships (e.g., 18yo + 40yo) are acceptable. Kiko opposes; Andrew Wilson defends. Topics: brain development, power dynamics, voting age consistency, Kiko's experience dating 28yo at age 14.

Aurora's Toxic Relationship Story

Aurora shares story of abusive 3-year relationship with Ukrainian ex (~32yo): broke car window from inside, threatened deportation, stole $4,000, proposed 2 days before breakup. Ex suspected to have drug problem.

Haley & Aurora Parallel Toxic Ex Stories

Haley and Aurora discover they both dated narcissistic 'Mikes' who drove their mothers' Lexuses and damaged both their cars.

Sophia Joins Panel / Introduction

Sophia (21, CSU Channel Islands, nanny) joins panel after Lydia's removal. Brian introduces her and gets her background.

Concealed Carry / Dating a Man with a Gun

TTS donation prompts question: 'How do you feel about dating a man who carries a concealed weapon everywhere?' Panel mostly supportive. Discussion of hero complex, California gun laws, and Korea comparison.

Trolley Problem Ethical Dilemmas

Panel works through multiple trolley dilemma variants (Neal's Absurd Trolley Problems). Discussed to lighten mood after Lydia incident.

BDSM & Dominatrix Profession

Kitty's dominatrix work discussed. Debate on what percentage of men are into BDSM. Kitty estimates 45%; Andrew Wilson disputes. New York vs LA BDSM culture compared.

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Stiffler chat donation prompts self-rating round. Kiko: 7.5. Anai/Bangs: 10. Lydia (already gone): n/a. Kitty: 8. Aurora: 8. Haley: 7. of gray: 5–5.5. Priya: not clearly captured. Sophia: 10 ('mindset'). Brian: 5 ('dad bod'). Anai and Sophia both claim 10.

Feminist Identity & Provider Dynamics

of gray declares herself feminist for the general public but personally traditional. Brian challenges contradiction: wanting provider but wanting equal pay. Discussion of wage gap, mating pressure on men, affirmative action, education system. Panel answers: most prefer provider over 50/50.

Andrew Wilson vs Panel — Feminism & Rights Theory

Andrew Wilson debates of gray and others on rights theory (are rights material or immaterial), gender roles, and hedonism/consequentialism. Extended philosophical debate.

Body Count Discussion & DHS Study Reveal

Panel goes around table on body counts. Aurora: 52. Anai: 12 (previously said 11). Kitty: 13. Haley: declined ('single digits'). of gray: declined (single digits). Brian reveals DHS-funded $700k ASU study targeting manosphere creators including Whatever Podcast. Brian calls it his 'NWA moment.'

Year-End Closing Statements

Brian gives year-end speech: 2023 recap (70M views/month), thanks Nick, Madison, editors, mods, parents, patrons. Chilean military uniform explained. Brian announces 3-4 week break; returns ~Jan 21, 2024. Andrew Tate donates $1,000 during show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswelcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape thanks for tuning in tonight for our final show of the year you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that we're coming to you live

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Brian Atlasdid 70 million views last month on the main Clips channel so go see what the hype is about links below without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and

Kikolocation where you from go ahead name age okay hi I'm Kiko I'm 23 I'm from San Francisco but I live in Santa Barbara and I'm a bartender and I also go to

Brian Atlasschool you uh where' you go to school uh now I go to ASU hold on wait so you went to Santa Barbara City College right first and then you went to UCSB no no no

KikoI started at UCSB started yeah I started at UCSB but I decided to finish at ASU so you downgraded to ASU basically yeah yes okay all right I they don't have my

Brian Atlasmajor that I want at oh what's Maj criminology oh okay um you so I'm assuming you're taking online classes yeah you're not okay got it what about

Bangs (Anai)you um my name is anay I'm 21 um I'm a student and I do only fans and I'm from the Santa Barbara area all right

Lydiawelcome hi I'm Lydia I'm 24 and I have a VR startup and I'm from La okay uh VR startup tell us about that

Lydiaoh we have a platform that's censorship free if you know what I

Lydiamean what what I don't know what you mean what does that mean oh I mean I'm not trying to get this podcast banned like ASAP

Lydiaso now I'm so is it adult content is that what you're talking about um it's just censorship fore you can post anything you want and people can see it in 360 and they can see in a headset so

Lizzy Loveit's pretty useful okay uh what about you hi my name is Lizzy love I'm 28 I am an adult actress and only fans Creator all right

Lydiawelcome hi hi I'm Lala I'm 29 I'm from Arizona and I'm a professional attention oh I like that what so what does

Lydiathat mean uh I do uh live streaming on a camsite but it's like porn adjacent oh sorry but adjacent to that okay so you're a Prof you said a professional

Kittyattention just cuz it's full-time okay yeah hi my name is Kitty I am 32 years old and I'm a photographer I do

Brian Atlashair and I also do um BDSM work as well what does that mean um professional Domin Trix I beat men up you y you beat

Kittymen up yep um and also I'm from New Jersey originally and now I reside in LA are you from Camden

Brian Atlasno I'm from brigen County cool um so you you you beat men up is that what you said yeah yeah professional dominatrix

Kittyokay how long have you been beating men up for professionally so I just got back into it because I just got out of a relationship can I have you tilt your mic uh or PA yeah works too so I've been

Kittydoing it I want to say on and off for seven years but I did me and my ex just broke up so now I'm fully getting back into that so I want to say on and off for like seven

Brian Atlasyears all right we'll get into that later maybe what about you my name is Aur I'm also 23 I'm origin is there room for you to scoot into the table a little bit or is it just kind of okay A little

Auroraum I'm originally from Buffalo New York I now reside in La as well um I do a little bit of everything I feel like I'm a professional creative I like to do

Aurorafashion but I also like to paint and you know create on social media I also have

Haleyan only fans age 23 23 okay what about you hey my name is Haley um I'm 30

Haleyactually turned 31 next week um and I kind of just work in restaurant business bartending cocktail server but I'm trying to like do something different

Haleythat will allow me to travel so I'm hoping to get that over with age uh 30 30 sorry my pens aren't working so you're good had to Chuck it um

Brian Atlaslittle tantrum no no it's just that's like that's that's where I put my pens somewhere somewhere in that general area

of grayum what about you oh um hi I am of gray oov VG r a e and I am a musician and micro micro

of graymicro influencer I have 60k on Tik Tok and I love all my BG's what's a micro micro micro micro influencer so I think was that an extra

Brian Atlasmicro sorry if I'm Mis mischaracterized your yeah yeah it's actually three micros oh three micros okay my bad I think I

Brian Atlasoverdid it um sorry did you say age uh I'm 21 21 okay turned this past July all right what kind of content do you make

of grayyou're also you said you're a musician right yeah so um I do quote unquote comedy you know not everyone's going to find me funny but um like skits type

of graystuff or uh just memes memory you know and uh memes I like to sing on live and

of graydo you incorporate your comedy into your singing um no I think I I would classify my discography as therapy music that's you know it's it's music where you can

of grayjust relax and chill and think about life so like Loi chill out yeah yeah like bedroom pop Loi girl is that you are you Loi girl I don't know I don't know actually I think the person

Kikorevealed what is that um what about you priia hi my name is priia I'm 22 years old I'm a full-time student at ASU online uh I co-run a family training

Priyabusiness and I'm an equestrian okay

Priya[Laughter]

Brian AtlasJes oh okay um all right I needed I that was also Nick when uh I think when the

Brian AtlasTTS comes in I think we maybe hide okay hi yeah um okay cool welcome everybody so we're going to go around the table once more what is everybody's current

Brian Atlasrelationship status so are you uh single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship oh oh my God Jesus

Brian Atlasyou forgot Andrew Jesus I'm sorry Andrew me Brian I it's just it's unusual for us to do the video Callin but um we have

Andrew Wilsonthe great debate God Andrew Wilson why don't you why you my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm a YouTube Creator host of The One and Only Crucible the fastest

Andrew Wilsongrowing debate platform on YouTube to my knowledge uh I work as a robotics mechanic by trade and I also enjoy doing debates and having conversations like

Brian Atlasthese I appreciate you having me tonight Brian appreciate meeting all of you thank you for coming Andrew really appreciate it um guys since we're kind of uh we're still kind of troubleshooting the call-in stuff how

Brian Atlaswas Andrew's audio the chat can you let us know how was his audio was it peing a little bit do we need to lower it or does it sound just fine we were concerned there that his audio um was a

Brian Atlaslittle bit peaking that's nothing on Andrew's side that's on our side so chat audio good audio good not too peing I think everybody looks like everybody's saying it's good okay perfect so going around

Brian Atlasthe table what is your current relationship status so single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyu sex cult Harum if you're single how long have you been single and what's the

Kikolongest relationship you've ever been in go ahead I'm happily still with my boyfriend we've been together since January um and my longest relationship is like a little over two years okay so you guys have been together almost one

Bangs (Anai)year yeah we've known each other since September of last year but we've been officially dating since January okay cool um I am single I've been single for a while my longest

Bangs (Anai)relationship was probably from like a year and a half to two years how long have you been single um since like two years yeah you've been

Brian Atlassingle for two years yeah but there's been some guys in the picture yeah yes there has okay um have you been dating are you on the dating apps what

Bangs (Anai)are you doing I'm on dating apps but I it's nothing like too serious um nothing I haven't had anything like really serious in a while in like two years

Bangs (Anai)okay um which dating apps are you on uh just hinge just hinge M were you on Tinder Christian Mingle no Farmers Only I was on Tinder but I think I got Shadow ban so I'm not on there cuz you're

Brian Atlaspromoting your o no I can I have you just scoot your mic that way just a little bit what about you I've been seeing someone and it's

Lydialike a relationship but it's like really complicated yeah uh how's it complicated it's just you know it's really hard to tell if they're also you know like one

Lydiaof the real ones is it the the uh animal is that that's your partner oh no no no that was my pet raccoon um yeah what's

Brian Atlasthe term tax Taxidermy is that what that's called yes so that that was a real raccoon okay and it's stuffed with wait you had a pet you had a pet

Lydiaraccoon yeah I mean one time it bit me so it's like this now it bit you so you deleted it or yeah I deleted it but I still wanted to keep some part you know

LydiaI have like uh I didn't want to let go fully how did you acquire this pet raccoon it's free from the outside free from the

Brian Atlasoutside is it actually that's like a Taxidermy but guys I did not know I did not know she was going to bring but it's quirky so I guess I let it slide um come on that that's total

Andrew Wilsontrolling right that wasn't a real raccoon that you had stuffed after it bit you that's ridic if you want to a closer look it doesn't look fake like it looks taxor it really does look

Lydiadefinitely tax it looks tax has it been cleaned somehow some way uh not really so it's just it it was a wild animal I I

Brian Atlassee some like rabies residue on like the bottom lip yeah but I already got my rabies vaccine so I'm all good yeah except for the other 11 12 people here so yeah I mean if you don't anger it

Brian Atlaswon't bite you or anything yeah um okay she's going to Chuck it across the table if she gets do you have a posum do you have any other pets why do you think I have a posum or just any other kind of

Brian Atlasmarsupio is that what they Mar no no no Mar is not a marsupio I don't know where I got marsupio from that's is marsupio posum is marsupio kangar is are marup yeah um do you have any other weird pets

Lydiaor is that I have I have two possums I have a pig I have a turkey I pardon on Thanksgiving um and then I have I have four snakes and two frogs and uh oh I

Lydiahave a ton of hedgehogs yeah but I didn't bring all of them I just brought raccooni raccooni are they all Taxidermy or are these ones living they're all

Andrew Wilsonliving but someday yeah someday someday looking for okay um do do you have like um an exotic pet license or something

Lydialike that yeah I actually do you know I am one out of um I think 600 people in California that actually has one actually no I think it's 6 bu so you can buy like lions and tigers no no no it

Lydiaonly goes for like uh like there's like a law saying that it's considered like a non-threatening animal so like I can't own snakes over a certain size and I can't have like lions and tigers but I

Brian Atlascan definitely have a posum sweet um so your current relationship status is complicated yeah it's just how long has it been complicated for um we've been

Lydiaseeing each other for like a year and a half okay yeah a year and a half all right um and is this your longest relationship no I had an ex I was with

Lydiafor three years three years okay but your current one's like 1.5 years yeah and so why is it complicated oh as I said it's just really hard to tell if one of if they're you know like one of

Lydiathe real ones what does that what does it mean to be a real one oh you know like one of the other real people like in the world you know what I mean as opposed to the imaginary no like as opposed to like is this like a beautiful

LydiaM mind with Russell Crow no it's like uh it's like so we all live in a simulation right and then you can't really tell if people you're close with are part of the simulation or if they're one of the other real people that you get to be

Lydiaclose with cuz like I have no way of proving that he's real did you um did you take your medication this morning um I did I have to take more a little bit later but I did take it yes what medication do you take um I

Brian Atlashave you don't need to show it to us you can just tell us why don't you just like uh give us the list of what you're um lithium uh asthma inhalers I had to take

Brian Atlasa Claritin today um you're right lithium yeah that's pretty heavy that's pretty heavy no but I only have a small little bit of it it's not it's not a lot isn't that for like schizophrenia or no I'm not

Lydiaschizophrenic what do they often what do they give li no it's for bipolar actually so I'm not schizophrenic at all oh okay okay can it be used to I don't know okay well I think it's an

Brian Atlasantipsychotic what is the lithium for yeah what's the diagnosis oh I mean it's for bipolar like I said any oh is there anything else

Brian Atlasor two aren't there different kinds of bipolar there's like two yeah two two what what so what's the difference between type one and type two type two is usually the more extreme one

Lydiano my doctor said type one is the worst one really yeah he said I was lucky to get type two interesting can the tax how long how long have you had that how long you've been diagnosed with uh with being

Lydiabipolar oh I've been taking medication for um I think for like about five months now yeah and I think it's been beneficial to my life I think I've like you know calmed down a lot and yeah and

LydiaI can be you know a functioning member of the podcast so you believe the person that you're seeing is like a hologram no like I mean just they could be you know and it would just be really upsetting to me if like I

Lydiayou know if they're not one of the other real people so how how would one determine who is I don't know but some going on with your bladder Anna sorry you know cuz some people just feel real

Kikoand some people don't you know it's just kind of like a like a feeling so is this like a feeling of yours that you're

Lydiaessentially trying to project onto being reality and not reality it's kind of hard just cuz some people it's automatic you're like oh

Lydiayeah they're super real and I'm you know like very happy to be acquainted with them and then other people you like them a lot but you don't really know yeah but that's quite different than what you're

Lydiasaying in terms of us living allegedly do you know uh how do you know you're real in the simulation oh I mean I have a conscience where I can kind of think

Andrew Wilsonlike okay this could be a simulation where I'm experiencing it yeah but but if you have a conscience it could just be binary programming so you think you're conscious when you're really not

Lydiabut I feel like I have memories I heard that yeah but those could be programmed into heard um I heard that in your memory there's like something about like what was it they said it's like a yo is

Brian Atlasanybody bored with this convers like I'm sorry is is like is this kind of boring feed into this delusion asking more these questions is going to make it seem like it's actual thing I'm sorry just one one clarifying question when you

Brian Atlaswhen you say real do you mean literally or figuratively like cuz real like oh they're a genuine person like that's the way I consider oh the other one real yeah yeah yeah yeah no they're really genuine and I like them a lot if they're

Andrew Wilsonwatching shout out Ben he yeah but do they exist in objective reality is that what you're saying they just an objective reality or they a pre-programmed simulation okay what

Lizzy Loveabout you my longest I'm sorry I just this it's so ridiculous okay my longest relationship was 5 years and I am now currently in a situ trade gen ship your longest

Lizzy Loverelationship was 5 years you're in currently in a situ trade you ship how long have you been in that um I met him like a year and a half ago we took like a six Monon break at the end of last

Lizzy Loveyear got back together in like August of this year okay um to find for us a situ Trad whatever a

Lizzy Lovesituationship is a better version of a situationship where for me we we started in a situationship where I feel like I wanted to be in a relationship but he

Lizzy Lovewasn't ready or didn't really want to commit to anybody but for a situ trade gship I'm not going to give my I don't know words I can say here my self I'm not going to have sex with

Lizzy Lovepeople if they're not paying me for a scene or if they're not giving me something of value so for me take me on dates and also take pictures of me give me something of value that I can use to

Lizzy Lovemonetize um give me I want to get something out of it switch here yeah if they're not giving me a relationship they need to give me something else do you consider that to be

Kikoprostitution I don't care if it is wouldn't say that it is I wouldn't say that it is no I would say it is probably if that's like cuz there's difference between like if that's just

Kikowhat ends up happening like they end up doing something for you and you end up having sex but like if you're like I'm having sex with you if you do this for me then that's even though if it's not just like a straight up monetary it's still traing for something no I think if

Lizzy Loveyou're going to be in a relationship with somebody even have a boyfriend like I want you to be nice to me do nice things for me open the door for me is that prostitution if you want someone to give you value back that's why just said though it's like it's if that's like

Kikowhat's like yeah like if that's just how it so happens to be then that's you know that's how life goes but if you're like I'm not going to sleep with you unless you take photos of me I'm not going to sleep with you unless you do that in

Andrew Wilsonthat's that's for monetary transaction which is going on as part of the uh trade scale so you're saying I will only sleep with you if you buy me X Y and Z uh but even if they directly gave you

Lydiacash it's essentially the same thing it's it almost sounds like it's definitionally prostitution that's cool I'll take it um wait what's your name again sir I'm sorry Andrew okay I fully agree with you and I think prostitution

Haleyis sick and we all got to survive somehow yay dis do you actually think it's sick or are you just like okay with like women that need to do it to get by or

TTS/Chatit's not really like you need to do it it's like if you want to see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined sorry go ahead termites never mind it was a Christopher

Brian AtlasHitchin don't worry about he's from Beyond the Grave he's joined us on the podcast so go go ahead what was I talking about you are super in favor of oh prostitution

Haleythat yeah I think what sorry what did you ask me again oh I was just wondering if you were like were really like you know like raw raw rooting for it or if you or if you just kind of you know respect like at least just to respect the women who have to or feel like they

Lydianeed to like there's that's like their only way to get I everyone should do it at least once really yeah and I think she's yeah no I would never K did do you

Lydiaactually think everyone every woman should at least once prostitute themselves I mean if you feel like that's something you want to do and you can mentally handle it yes because there's a lot of let me ask you a question let me ask you a question have

Lydiayou prostituted yourself not yet no one's offered to pay I thought you said no one's offered to pay yeah so once somebody does I will highly consider it so I guess if you're out on the podcast and you're thinking about it it can be

Lydiajust anybody it depends what's your price I think anything over $100 is okay girl you're worth more than that no more

Lydiathe girls on figa and also I think it depends on how how fast they can come at least 700 to a th000 that's not you can't even get a handy with that on figuroa come on wait really yeah no I I

Lydiamet like a prostitute lady once I asked her how much and she said it was 25 25 probably

Andrew Wilson2500 and then after she you need you need to put the cuckoo back in the clock we keep going around something something's going on you got to screw loose upstairs I don't know what's wrong with you but okay I'll

Brian Atlastry to try to stop talking too much thank you no it's not that you're talking too much uh wait so okay hold on so um you haven't done that yet but you'd be willing so long as it's over

Lydia$100 as long as over $100 and they're not how much cash you got on you right a man got to call the other but it also has to be like am I in the mood for

Brian Atlasit am I free you know like if they're STD tested does it cost like is does it cost extra for the Taxidermy raccoon to like be in the vicinity no I usually take him everywhere anyways you could

Brian Atlasprobably there has to be a kink for that somewhere Jesus christ4 um I I want to go back really quick to your relationship is it an open

Lydiarelationship to yours to yours mine oh no so you got are you monogamous yes but you would engage in PR tion I'm

Lydiamonogamous with like permission I guess or I can what do you um well I guess if I talked about it say hey this is the job and like I feel like once in my life I want to try prostituting myself I have

KikoI have a feeling they have my back they shouldn't your your boy if you haven't at this point it would be different if he met you and that's what you had to do to survive but if you are already in an okay position

Kikoyour man should never feel comfortable with you having to do that I can't guarantee that I will always be in an okay position know but that's not what you said you didn't say if you were real down bad you said it's like if I went to him and said I wanted to make some more money like that's your man should never you support me no he shouldn't he should

Kikopick up some more hours you guys you said that you want the experience of prostitution yeah so it's the experience not about money so You' what's the experience though I don't the experience is having

Lydiasex can't you already do that with your man yeah I guess but like it's not prostitution I mean sometimes we do this role you do want it's like you do want that Mon it's just about the money and kind of yeah but I mean like $100 not

Lydiamuch but $100 will be cool I think you just want to teach yourself a lesson like the hard way which is not worth it I think it sounds like a bucket list thing if you already going to sleep with somebody

Haleyand yeah that's that's if you're already going to sleep with them though yeah that's different than but then he might be looking at that that interaction in a whole different way um so question about

Brian Atlasyour situ trade situ traded ship whatever the it's called um so are you monogamous with him yeah but you said it was like there was a breakup but

Lizzy Lovethen you guys got back together yes so basically another way to put it instead of situ traent ship is just I have really high standards and I want to be treated like a princess I'm not going to date anybody if they're not giving value

Lizzy Loveto my life anyway so what what are some ways in which they would give value to your life they take pictures of me they take cute pictures of me they take me out on fun dates we hang out we have a

Lizzy Lovefun time what do you give back value in return I'm really good in bed I'm also very fun to hang out with I'm really good at cooking uh I'm funny uh I'm really good at cuddling

Brian Atlaswell that hasn't been demonstrated yet be patient do you think men really care about humor do you think that's on the top of the to depends on the guy I would

Andrew Wilsonsay most men don't really I don't like those men so so you you you bring cooking to the table and you bring your body to the table what else you bring bring to the table like I said I'm funny

Lizzy LoveI love to I mean I'm a good person to hang out with I feel like that is definitely something of value if you want to have someone around they at least need to be enjoyable um yeah but I mean all the

Andrew Wilsonqualities that you just said easily a man could have too but you would still charge him to have those qualities from you essentially is what you're saying right I mean that's the only way I'm

Lizzy Lovegoing to continue dating someone if they give me the value that I feel good about or else if they're just taking me on a date and that's it I don't want to like

Andrew Wilsonentertain that so would you say that your motivations are mostly self-interested yeah I mean if he's enjoying himself too then it's a win-win I'm not forcing him to do

Kikoanything he's happy as well he likes giving me things I am a bit confused though because you said originally he didn't want to be in a relationship and didn't want to treat you as if you guys were in a relationship so you said that the

Kikoessentially agreement that you came across was him doing all these things for you in exchange for sex essentially it's not just sex I mean we

Haleyhang out we go on dates we're basically in a relationship without the title but does he treat you like you're in a relationship for the most part yeah do you want the title I'm in was

Nick (producer)I l l donated $200 chat would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female

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Brian Atlas77777777 you can put it back Nick um very different what so what are um can you just like list the things that you've traded because you say you will trade

Lizzy Lovesex for services basically so what I mean I guess you consider doing scenes as a trade I'm getting paid money so I can do

Lizzy Lovea scene that's technically a trade of things okay what's a what's a scene an adult movie so you're okay so

Andrew Wilsonyou're being like paid for pornography is what you mean yeah okay I'm sorry I'm just getting getting it clarified that's

Lydiacool yeah okay um all right moving on what about you um I am in a relationship oh I'm in a relationship we live

Lydiatogether Off the Grid actually which is difficult um and we've been in on again off again couple for like the last we

Lydiamet in June 2019 so four years we were friends for 6 months and then I thought he was cute after a while like I didn't know uh how he felt cuz he uh was pretty respectable like oh he don't how many

Lydiatimes was it on again off again uh too many that was how many if you had to estimate like five in like one year five in 2020 to Total yeah just like oh okay

Brian Atlasfive yeah like block me for two weeks and then call me and then walk who would who would uh initiate the breakups typically oh

Lydiahim why because I'm a lot how so I uh overc communicate big time how so just

Lydiauh when he wants space I'm like but I can't but I've learned since so it's necessary I'm sorry what does that mean when you say I can't if he says I want

Andrew Wilsonspace you say I can't oh like uh attachment issues like BPD mhm me too like you basically tell you basically say no that's what you say you're like no oh I had a hard time with boundaries

Lydiabecause I didn't have like my own set so I've learned since to have my boundaries and respect other people's boundaries so that's why we live together now Andrew would you be able to I don't

Brian Atlasknow if you're able to Center yourself just a little bit uh I don't know if you're able to scoot I don't know if that's going to be your left or your right perfect thank you um so you have

Brian AtlasBPD borderline personality disorder yes yeah show of hands who here also has borderline personality disorder anybody have NPD narcissistic personality

Brian Atlasdisorder any cluster B any other cluster B personality disorders we have any bipolar we have any all right what we got a mental

Lydiaillness in here got an this is whatever Asylum personality disorders are learn behaviors a lot of the time so you can unlearn them it's not like always a

Bangs (Anai)I believe that it it can be genetic too well absolutely I definitely learned it from my mom though so I think it usually comes if you have like a parent with BPD

Kittyyes can you pull your mic to the edge than I do not just what about you so I just got out of a relationship um so I've been single now a month and a week

Kittyand longest relationship has been three years or three and a half okay so you're single you've been out of it for like a month and a week you said I've been single for a month and like a week or a month and two weeks what's the longest

Kittyrelationship you've been in like three and a half years three okay got it um who broke up with who um the cops had escort him out of my

Kittyapartment so that was kind of the breakup didn't you why um he didn't want to pay

Kittyrent um I kind of hate this generation of dating because all these little shows people talk about value and stuff like that

Kittyso I don't know because all do you mean little shows well sorry podcast like always talks like men of value and all this stuff but you don't really have value or saying those things if you're

Kittynot even paying half the bills or half the rent and I'm actually pretty lenient I'm happy with like 5050 and he couldn't even do that he just kept making excuses if you don't mind follow up on

of graythis donated $200 Little Me song on Spotify is amazing oh my God my first single thank

of grayyou that's probably the nicest TT whatever actually I think that's my my

Andrew Wilsonboyfriend that's so cute do 41 do because a doctor oh m d d o okay um Andrew you had something yeah so you

Kittywork uh I I think you said earlier as a dominatrix right so I just got back into that now the moment I became single so professionally I'm a professional photographer and then I also do hair for

Andrew Wilsona living okay so were you doing any of the dominatrix stuff while you were with this guy no no and then also had you done it had you done it previous to

Kittymeeting him um it's been like I want to say about 3 years I've been out of it and then also before I'm sorry go ahead sorry after you oh I

Andrew Wilsonwas just going to just going to follow up real quick with this uh when you I I know that there's different types of sex work within uh you know being a dominatrix uh are you one of the ones

Andrew Wilsonwho allows the like the full monty in other words or did you just uh did you did you keep boundaries or how did that work oh no no no I have boundaries so

Kittythere's no um penetration or none of that so and I'm I'm the Dom I'm not submissive at all I don't want anyone touching me hitting me none of that okay

Auroragotcha all right I just want to clarify people thank you okay um interesting all right um what about

Aurorayou I am also very recently single and my longest relationship is about 2 and a half years wait uh how recently single

Brian Atlasalso like um since the beginning of November it's like a month and a few weeks okay all right um which one of it I think we have two girls here who had

Auroratheir cars smashed yeah that's us our stories are very similar it's kind of scary yeah um do we have the video on that

Brian AtlasNick let me I don't know if I I didn't I didn't pull it up I I'm G to go do it um why don't I have you guys give your relationship statuses

Haleygo ahead um I'm recently just started dating somebody like I don't um I actually texted him before this I was like uh am I I don't even know cuz I it's so new I

Haleydidn't want to like say something that would either like I don't know I didn't want to label it wrong but he's like oh no we're dating I was like okay you we've only been on a few dates but he is

Haleysuch a gentleman so sweet and my longest relationship was um three and A2 years three and years and it was terrible how long have you been dating your current

Haleyguy uh so we it's only been I'm so sorry it's I'm like so far um it's only been a couple weeks that we've been talking um

of graybeen on just like three actual dates and yeah very nice congratulations it's very sweet um I think me and my boyfriend are

of graygoing to celebrate our one year in April and um we're going strong we actually just got a cabin in h Colorado and then

of grayI'll be moving to New York soon so I'll be living halftime in Colorado and half time in New York oh very nice but uh we do live together and I love you

KikoBen and your longest relationship is uh my longest relationship was uh one and a half going on two years very nice and is he going back and forth with you or is he just living in

KikoColorado um we'll take turns visiting each other very nice um I am in a relationship I've been in a relationship for about three months now um my longest

Kikoprevious relationship was five months all right Andrew what about

Brian Atlasyou hold on actually here we'll we'll have to get them in a sec wait so um who was I asking if you had like receipts of some like crazy was that you did you get to send it or no I didn't get to

Aurorasend it no I have it on my phone right now do do you want to I can send it right now yeah you want video or and do you have my video cuz I sent it that day yeah is it cool if we pull the video okay so we're going to pull that video up

Kittyum un that a dude did did you get Rob um no that's my ex did he steal that's my ex made

Brian Atlassorry that's made yeah yeah it is um so tell us what happen like he just this is your car your the most recent my

Kittyneighbor told me hold on the most recent x that you have yes did yeah okay my my neighbor told me he came 2 or 3: a.m. in the middle of the

Kittynight can you get rid of the progress bar dude slashed my TIR oh my God what a

Auroradouche I'm you're not with him anymore uh good times and then uh okay um did you have I have a pict picture he didn't do that much damage okay just send it

Brian Atlaswe'll pull it up just send it um Nick pull back up Andrew please yo guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one uh all right let me uh get

Brian Atlaslet me see let me actually do a couple chats oh Andrew um your relationship status yeah I'm happily married and I have been for many many years I've been

Brian Atlaswith the same woman for I I I don't even know most of my adult life okay good times good times um I have one chat here I need to read really

Brian Atlasquick we have uh Nick if you can hide actually my God bro okay we got picco Stein's Brian and panel have a merry exmas and happy New Year enjoy your time with family and those close to you also

Brian Atlashaving kids and family is one of the most enjoyable parts of life have a great pod uh yo thank you man appreciate it oh AB Che with the gifted 50 memberships hold on that's going to come in in just a sec um yo thank you man

Brian Atlasvery much appreciate it thank you thank you all right um okay so uh where were we I kind of want to dive into like so this that was recent though because you

Kittybroke up with him you said like uh five weeks ago right well the thing is he technically broke up with me the thing is which I couldn't stand he shouldn't have to live with me

Kittyfor us to date like if you can't pay pay half the rent like you shouldn't have to live with me period firework it's all right this is

Kittyjust a firework are we sure that's not a g i saw firor okay you could hear it it was a firework don't worry guys okay it's not a gun they way louder go ahead

Kittyso yeah and he refused to leave and then cops had to get involved Good Times yeah and my car Happ

Kittydid he always not work or um we did it's just he has issues as well like I'm actually friends with his previous other ex-girlfriend that I reached out to and

Kittypretty much same thing same thing happened to her um yeah yep

Brian AtlasDefender okay all right cool um let me just double check here what we have uh I'm going to get into some of my pre-show notes here from everybody so

Brian Atlaslet's see um okay oh no gone

Brian Atlasgone sorry guys one sec um what's your what's your your name is

Brian Atlasa gray do you have a of gray of gray is that your actual legal name or um that's my internet presence okay you said

Brian Atlasyou're dating a doctor yeah what kind of doctor he is a radiologist a radi ologist okay and you are you said you're

Kiko23 correct no I'm 21 oh did I skip over yep she turned 21 in like June she said or

of graysomething okay um July July July yeah how old is the doc how old is your boyfriend he is

Brian Atlas40 okay so 2 nice God who my mom's 45 sorry are you trying to set your mom

Brian Atlasup with into the mic guys please into the mic um no you said you said he's a what again sorry my radiologist okay um Radiologists they do

of graythey make pretty good money it's a really dangerous job oh no so it's it's very different like I think you're thinking of uh the text yeah why

of graywould Radiology is not a dangerous job yeah oh radiation is like really bad for you well the technician they have the proper gear to protect themselves from Radiology but um radiologist like review

of grayoh so he doesn't have to be in there he just has to look yeah he just has to read them and identify what the problem might be a bit better yeah okay um interesting I want to bring it back to

Brian Atlasyou Lizzy uh you said that it sounds like you you want a guy to like do some of these more traditional things is that correct yeah like pay if you're dating a

Lizzy Loveguy you want to pay for everything basically that's I mean that'd be great I would love to be a spoiled housewife where I can cook and food all day every day okay and pleasure him when he comes

Lizzy Lovehome from work be his cheerleader but also monetize all the food that I make by making cookbooks and cooking videos and then just also make my own money so

Andrew Wilsonit's not like I'm just going to be mooching okay I I do like being a what do you think the chances are that really high value man want wants to settle down

Lizzy Lovewith somebody who has a history of prostitution I think the chances are slim but they're still there yeah but I mean you're not banking on that are you I really don't care I

of grayknow I'm going to find someone eventually yeah I mean how do you how do you know that though well you know I actually asked my boyfriend recently and I feel like I'm a full-time house GF so I just like make Tik toks and sometimes

of grayyou know like cook and bake pies and stuff um and he takes care of me me and takes care of everything and I actually asked him like what if I did like only fans or you know if I did adult um

of grayentertainment and he said he wouldn't mind but he would you know obviously like prefer that I didn't do it your radiologist medical doctor boyfriend

Lydiawouldn't mind if you did only fans only fans out to him pictures or actual I mean okay here's the thing there's a lot of men out there that are cucks so statistically speaking I think 6% of all

Lizzy Lovemen are into cucking no way more than 6% no 6% are definitely into cucking I read this in book minimum minimum 6% I sent you that write in a book it must be true probably I rarely read and that's one

of graycare you say aren't you aren't you Christian my point is that um I think a valuable man like my boyfriend is a he is a you know doctor and um he you know

of graywent through all the procedures to become an accredited you know person but uh I think a high value man could consider someone um in the adult

of grayentertainment industry seriously and I I think that a lot of people don't realize that but a lot of successful men really do not um I think care because usually

of graytheir personal life is very private in general anyways cuz um yeah that's true so does your your boyfriend um who you

Andrew Wilsonyou claims that you know high value man he's radiologist he wouldn't mind if he went on only fans and did um you know sex work and you think that um from your

Andrew Wilsonestimation this particular person you still consider that to be a high value man you still consider him to be kind of high status even though he would be willing to kind of share you well I

of graythink a lot of things Define a high value man for one and for most he is a wonderful father to his children um and he just is such a good family man he you can do a split on this Nick but just

Brian Atlashide the hold on here let's just set up a split the you hide the top hide the yep

Brian AtlasI oh wait actually let me see hide it hide it hide it let me see oh yeah you're right okay that's not going to work um I'm gonna okay we can't do split on that angle my bad go ahead um but

of grayyeah he's a family man and he takes care of the people he loves um he's very kind and very patient and he has very good emotional regulation and communication

Andrew Wilsonas well like he's everything that I could ever want in a man so honestly if is he married no no okay so he's but

of grayhe's divorced with children yes how old is how many children does he have oh he has two how old are they yeah um like in

of grayelementary school m have you met them no I would like to just keep that life separate because I don't want to you know interrupt their personal life

of grayforeverly forever separate um you know that's to be determined you never know what will happen in the future like if you have a family with him you wouldn't you don't picture them being integrated even though they would be halfway

of grayrelated I actually don't think I want children yeah I would just like to would you like to marry this man and spend the rest of your life with him yes I would okay I think I the kids are probably

of graygoing to have to come with that no yeah I mean I I love kids and they love me too but I just I don't you know want to interrupt their childhood right now but perhaps when they're more mature they'll

of graybe able to comprehend the situation that's fair because As I Grew Older um I understood you know the Dynamics in marriage um more

of grayfully um because you know I'm a child of divorced parents and I didn't understand it at first but as I matured I understood both sides of the story not just like my mother for example do you

of graystill talk sorry do you still talk to your parents yes both of them yeah do they know you're dating a 40 plusy old man yes and they're okay with it um they're okay with it because they know

of graythat he is just a really good person and he's never had any sort of like uh um other intention like you know how I've seen on the podcast where they're like

of grayaccusing older men who could the younger women of like taking advantage of them but maybe some older men do have that intention but he's never had ever had that intention in fact when we were kind

of grayof like separated for a while he still um you know helped me out everywh that he could he was still there for me emotionally and we were still friends but we were also friends first so but

Kikoyou're also 21 we're also more I think when we say that with the older men it's usually more 18 19 that we're concerned about but you guys started dating go the

Brian Atlastable on this does anybody object to her age Gap relationships go ahead no if she was a few years older my answer probably be different or younger but yeah I agree

Lydiawith Kiko no I like old guys also I think if you made an only fans you would make so much more money than him you know what so many people have told me yeah so I

of graythink you could consider it I'm not going to because you know my mom okay she's she's very firm on that so and I also you know I I don't think I want to show anyone except my boyfriend

Lydiamyself gotta I don't have any problem with the age Gap me neither um also I wouldn't do an only fans if I were you because of

Lydiahis kids also yeah yeah so good You' be like the hot that's no degenerate okay what yeah I said no

Auroraas well and also I agree don't do only fans cuz the kids yeah I've also dated much much older than me so opinion on it no ISS how about

Brian Atlasinstead of do you object to their age Gap relationship would you because maybe you've heard what she said and it otherwise sounds fine in general do you object to would you object to a

Aurora21-year-old woman dating a 40-year-old man in general I think it really depends on the situation does it maybe it doesn't change the answer for any of you 1819 for me adult 1819 is where I'm

Kikolike depend what happens in the one year what happens in the one year where Suddenly It's okay versus not okay A lot can happen in those years that's why I said 18 19 first of all an 18-year-old could

Kikobe in high school okay I was 18 for like 5 months of high school so when you guys say 18 as a 40 plus year old man you have nothing in common you might have a few things in common but that's weird

Kikookay I'm 21 and would think find it weird to be dating an 18-year-old that's a high schooler like that's and 1819 you're still growing I'm not who's the say A change is at 20 but obviously we

Bangs (Anai)have to put a number on it so if I had to put number we have a number on it the number is 18 I feel like can I say something I feel like if the con I you

Bangs (Anai)guys say 18 because this sorry the consent the age of consent is 18 but I feel like if it were anything lower you guys would be pushing oh 16 17 oh actually you're wrong the age of consent

Andrew Wilsonis in most ages is not 18 that's incorrect I understand that I understand that but here but not only that when we're talking about 18 men can be drafted at a high school at 18 and go

Andrew Wilsonfight Wars for you at 18 I I we weren't talking about fighting Wars we're talking about Rel but if we're considered adults at 18 go fight in a war on your behalf if I could suddenly a

Kikowoman is is so incapacitated that she can't make a decision as to who she wants to date at 18 years old if I could go back and write the law I would say no we shouldn't be pulling 18-year-olds out of high school to go fighting War also I would also object against that I think it should be 21 as well I don't think

Andrew Wilson18year olds are ready for that responsibility sure let's get a bunch of geriatric old soldiers that sounds great 21

Andrew Wilsonis wait but I think if you were to put an 18-year-old fighting with like a I don't know a 25-year-old I think a 25-year-old beat their ass well you're wrong traditionally Wars have been

Andrew Wilsonfought by young men the reason is because young men are good at following orders they've been conditioned to follow orders so they're really

Lydiatake a lot of abuse I think with that logic they'd make better Partners too if they can follow orders okay I'm sorry um so I guess you know like the age of consent here is 18 but like in China it's like 15 or even younger like I had

Lydiaa family friend she was in her 50s like dating a 16-year-old and like they made it work and it was pretty sick that's crazy that's like in what term the word sick I think we have two I think we're

Lydiadefining sick in two different ways mentally ill uh no I think sick in like a good way yeah I know that's what you meant I meant sick like I'm going to be na he was like really pretty and she really liked him that's such a double

Lydiastandard that's so sad no but I would have no problem with like I don't know a 50-year-old dating a 16-year-old if it's in a country where like culturally speaking it's okay I either culturally that's I'm not

Kikogoing to like gender you know what I mean like gender disqualify people from being able to date people certain groming that's still a child yeah if I had a daughter or even a son and I'm

Kikoolder and they are 18 or 16 how you're saying whatever 18 and they bring home someone 40 plus years old I'm going to have a problem with this what's the objection hold on hold

Andrew Wilsonon go go ahead Andrew what's the objection to my other than other than how it makes you feel what's an actual objection that you have to it because he

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