Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate! She Has 2 Vs? TRAD OF GIRL? VlRGlN Tatted Club Girl? | Dating Talk #137

Date: 2024-02-21

Duration: 6h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMiss Exquisite >

MMadison (DT137)>

AAnnie Charlotte >

MMalik (DT137)>

AAlexis Wilkins >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05The Gobler(guest)

SPEAKER_06Miss Exquisite(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alexis Wilkins(guest)

SPEAKER_10Malik(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Annie Charlotte(guest)

SPEAKER_14Crow(guest)

Key Moments

IntroThe Gobler introduces herself as an adult film star who is also a licensed practical nurse, keeping her real name private to protect her nursing career.

“I'm from upstate New York um and I'm 30 years old and that's about it oh oh I'm a adult film star sorry”

IntroAnnie Charlotte reveals she has uterus didelphys: two vaginas, two cervixes, two uteruses. Currently has two boyfriends, one for each side.

“I'm Annie Charlotte I'm from London um and I'm an only fans model with two vaginas”

ControversyAnnie Charlotte debates Brian on STD testing practices in UK OnlyFans industry vs US mainstream porn, challenging his characterization of the risks.

“we have to get tested every 14 days”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Annie Charlotte: she cannot articulate a philosophical reason why men and women ought to be equal, despite writing a dissertation on Aristotle and feminism.

“I don't sorry I don't know I wish I knew why we weren't equal”

OtherCrow recounts being escorted into a locked basement by her boyfriend's family (cult-like) on their fourth date and coerced into having sex while the entire family watched. She complied out of fear for her safety.

“I saw the mom lock and chain the door I'm like oh boy”

ControversyBrian and Andrew debate abortion with Annie Charlotte. Annie argues life begins at brain function. Andrew shows she cannot consistently apply this principle (SA victim at 6 weeks).

“you just advocated it's okay to murder a kid”

ControversyMiss Exquisite challenges Brian's dating standards as unreasonable, saying you cannot expect someone you just met to immediately cut off everyone else.

“it doesn't make sense for you to assume that somebody's going to do that”

QuoteBrian makes extended World of Warcraft analogy about dating standards, comparing an ideal low-body-count woman to 'best in slot' loot.

“if I'm if I'm on my rogue right like I definitely want preditions blade from rag”

QuoteMalik tweets read on air: 'a lot of people fail to recognize the fact that if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive'.

“if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive”

OtherMiss Exquisite discloses estimated body count of ~250 (stopped counting after losing track; guesses 150-300).

“maybe between like 150 200 maybe 250 maybe 300 maybe”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian asks relationship status. Annie Charlotte reveals uterus didelphys condition and two boyfriends.

Reaction video: tatted virgin club girls

Panel reacts to man-on-street video of two Miami women who claim to be virgins. Debate on whether they are lying, body language analysis, whether tattoos/clubbing lifestyle implies sexual activity.

Shawn Evans and dating porn stars

Discussion of athlete Shawn Evans who reportedly broke up with porn star girlfriend. Brian argues men should not date women in sex work for practical, reputational, and STD reasons. Women in adult industry defend their practices and STD testing regimens.

Body count and female value

Extended discussion of whether body count affects partner value. Andrew argues it lowers female value more than male. Brian advocates men avoid even casual sex with women who have high body counts or are seeing other men. Gobler discusses cuck/stag psychology.

OnlyFans relationships and cheating

Debate on whether sex work constitutes cheating if partner is aware. Brian reads Miss Exquisite's explicit promotional tweets. Andrew poses hypothetical about calling partner before each sex act on set.

Annie Charlotte's philosophy dissertation and feminism debate

Annie Charlotte discusses her BA dissertation arguing Aristotle was a feminist. Andrew challenges her on why men and women ought to be equal. Extended debate on definition and justification of feminism, WNBA pay, wage gap.

Crow's cult family story

Crow recounts story of being coerced into having sex in front of boyfriend's entire family (parents, grandparents) in a locked basement on fourth date. Described as cult-like initiation ritual.

Abortion and legal paternal surrender

Brian and Annie Charlotte debate abortion rights. Brian proposes legal paternal surrender as reciprocal right for men. Annie agrees men should have option to relinquish parental rights if they do not want the child.

Self-ratings round (1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Miss Exquisite: 9. Annie: 10. Gobler: 10. Malik: 7. Crow: abstains. Alexis: 5. Brian: 5. Andrew: 4.

Dating standards and exclusivity

Brian advocates for men refusing to date or sleep with women seeing other men. Debate on whether it is unreasonable to expect exclusivity before commitment. Malik and Crow support monogamous dating; Miss Exquisite argues multiple dating is normal.

Exit strategies for sex workers

Andrew asks panelists about exit strategy from sex work. Miss Exquisite has started a business. Gobler plans stock market investing and can return to nursing. Andrew notes most high-risk plans fail.

Traditional women and lowering standards

Alexis discusses how her traditional girlfriends accept less from men. Panel debates whether women have standards too high or too low. Andrew and Malik discuss submission and female hypergamy charts.

Malik's tweets and male leadership / female submission

Brian reads Malik's tweets about men needing to be better leaders for women to submit. Andrew and Malik debate Orthodox Christian concept of wifely submission. Malik's tweet reviewed that police are corrupt.

Body count round

Brian asks everyone their body count. Madison: 8. Miss Exquisite: ~250. Gobler: 50-100. Annie: ~250 (counting both canals). Crow: 10. Malik: 1. Alexis: declines.

Transcript

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Malikcheck it out guys okay wait so the movie theater thing um I haven't had really any c i I have been on like four First Dates ever I like I said I don't really have time for dating so I don't have any

Maliklike crazy outrageous I I [ __ ] a guy in front of a his entire family in a basement stories I don't about that not you what

Andrew Wilsonabout that time that old creepy dude tried to give you a car on the internet Who currently lives in an RV who's you know which which one would you be well I don't know I don't know I'm not naming

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to name names we're not going to name names who shall not be named what about the time that guy on the internet tried to give you a car and then told you he you could sleep in his bed and if you came and visited him wait

Malikwhat what what about that you know that what okay um wait where are you getting this from so we've we've collaborated

Malikbefore on YouTube oh I didn't I didn't know that I had no idea wait you guys should have told me that you guys okay all right um and so the person we

Andrew Wilsoncollaborated with um I used to do a show with him where real sick [ __ ] this guy by the way he he would who I I'm not can't name him yeah

Andrew Wilsonyeah they they Who Shall Not Be Named okay I don't know who I don't know who it is yeah should I name the person's don't even name any of it okay so yeah

Brian Atlasthere there's another Creator on YouTube that um hosts shows I don't know who goe go I'm sorry I'm I'm not part of this I don't know

Malikwho they're talking about so yeah the two of us me Andrew and I met um on a collaboration with another Creator and on um that person's show they would

Malikbring on a lot of men especially older men or or more lonely men and basically coach them how to have social interactions how to interact with women

Malikum about like patriarchy feminism all that um and there was a couple individuals that were brought on the show to interact with me and they ended

Malikup just being weird dudes on the inter internet as you would assume and one of them in particular um old old guy old

Malikguy who may or may not have creep sexual relationship with his daughter um who but oh God he um was interested in me

Malikand I after I rejected him obviously he was trying to entice me to drive to his house to get a free car um the only requirement was I had to sleep in his before he even said the requirements I was like no I don't want anything to do

Malikwith you I don't want your money I don't want your cars um and yeah that just got it got taken out of context that discussion got on a bunch of other

Malikcreators um shows and it was just dragged through a lot the I guess speculation on whether or not I just said no for the camera and then accepted the car but no it was an AB I don't know

Brian Atlasif I want the whatever podcast to be like the gossip I don't know if I want well it was it was it was creepy I'll tell you no he was extremely creepy and like I said there's other speculations wait is this is this already public

Brian Atlaspublicly out there is this okay because I don't want to be the channel that's like no no no this is old this is It's publicly been discussed already there's much there's it's a whole rabbit hole all

Brian Atlasright I'm not part of I don't want to be part um all right uh I think uh oh you said also modern dating is pathetic expectations are too high standards too low above average men telling below

Brian Atlasaverage men how to get multiple women while also saying all women are three out foes and then being a three out foe is too normalized Etc wait so you said

Brian Atlasexpectations are too high standards too low for men for women for both what care to expand and

Miss Exquisiteelaborate oh me or yes girl you I'm sorry yes yes um so can you just restate

Miss Exquisitemy point the [ __ ] are you doing I was I was thinking about how I I want to eat a banana expect not in a seual

Malikway what a traditional thing to say so no I I just when I when I do shows or live streams I like Haram eat

Brian Atlasbananas yes okay modern dating is pathetic expectations are too high and standards too low above average men telling below average men how to get multiple women

Brian Atlaswhile ALS say all wom are being a is normalized let's start with expectations are too high and standards too low for men for women for both okay so I think

Malikso men's expectations are too high how yes men have expectations that women are going to be virgins and not have exes and not be tarnished and be perfect and

Malikthey themselves may not work on this isn't every just I think generalized sure um when they themselves may not take care of themselves they may not they may want a stay-at-home wife but

Brian Atlasnot be financially or mentally able to um even sustain that yep you should if you want to stay- at home life you should probably be able to provide for it agree there and then uh where I said

Malikthe above average men telling below average men how to get women um you see a lot of shows including yours where

Malikyou're stating to um ideally below average men who are looking up to you for advice what evidence do you have that the men who are watching the show are below

Malikaverage not not this show particular but a lot of men that watch dating shows or podcast how know like they may very well be below average but how would you know I I I've interacted with the audiences

Andrew Wilsonof multiple you've interacted you've interacted with whatever viewers I said not this podcast specifically but I don't know how you would know below she talking about like pickup channels and [ __ ] like that right

Andrew Wilsonyeah like pickup channels and all that they they watch these above average men this is a whole different scenario though melik this is people tune in to the whatever podcast not really for dating advice they're looking for the yeah I don't really give dating advice

Andrew Wilsonthey're really actually looking for kind of the interpersonal exchange that people are having the men and women are having so that they can understand the different World Views and purviews I wasn't saying to the whatever podcast I

Brian Atlasjust want to say all my patrons and supporters and all the TTS those guys are above average yeah well so I was not and in my in my message I did not state that whatever

Malikpodcast was well I just think there's a lot of Internet Outlets of above average men using Andre t as an example where they preach to men who probably aren't above average and they tell these men to

Malikget these above average women and how to get these above average women it just turns into a cycle of the men being insecure because they won't amount to that and then lowering their standards below what they should just have

Malikdesperation and being lonely and then it Cycles back to women not being able to find good quality men lowering their standards like Alexis was saying before it's just a cycle of men and women not

Brian Atlasstandards well a couple things there so first off below average men can't get multiple women uh below average men can't even get below average women because of the chart I don't know if

Brian Atlasyou're able to pull it back up Nick because of basically the rampant hypergamy that's uh going on to day is it did you close it

Brian Atlasout but that's why a lot of times so this is the women on the right men on the left who men would happily partner with who women would happily partner with look that's not of course below

Brian Atlasaverage people end up with below average people but there are there's a decent cohort of men who are getting absolutely zeroed out of the dating Marketplace um

Brian Atlasbut so it's not clear to me if below average men are even interested in getting multiple women I think a lot of them would be happy with just a girlfriend who's on on his level in his

Malikleague and just having a monogamous relationship I think that's the case for most men I AG I I do agree with that I just find that a lot of times they're their expectations are higher than their

Brian Atlasown like rank Kings well I agree with you it's I think it's both ways I agree with you that there are other people out there in the content creation space who are saying well you should have multiple women and and like the reality is most men are

Brian Atlasgoing to be that's the whole like Riz culture isn't it most men are not going to be able to maneuver like are not going to be able to uh have that kind of arrangement with getting multiple women

Brian Atlasand I think a lot of them don't want to so but yeah I I agree with you but you said expectations are too high and you also mentioned well men wanting women who are virgins is that is that like a

Maliktoo high of an expectation I think not that there's anything wrong with that but if a man has a high body count and only wants to date um or sleep with

Malikvirgins I find it creepy honestly oh okay well we can get into that um I find it no I I do because if you yourself are not saving yourself for marriage and it's not like a religious thing where

Malikyou think you can sleep with whoever it becomes a religious thing but you I mean it's kind of too late for that but no it's kind of not so so so a woman can sleep hang hang a woman can sleep with 100 men and wait till

Andrew Wilsonmarriage let's back up they do but let's back up real quick okay let's start with you say well if it if it's not a religious thing what if it becomes a religious thing I'm not saying it can't become a

Malikreligious thing is it creepy then but if a man has a body count of 100 MH just using a random number and only wants women who are virgins I find that very

Andrew Wilsoncreepy and almost predatory what if what if you get well hang on let me finish yeah so let's say he gets to 100 okay gets to 100 converts to Christianity

Andrew Wilsonsays I want to get married to a virgin but I'm not going to sleep with her before we're married is that still creepy why would you want to answer the

Malikquestion is it still creepy I do think it's still creepy that I find it almost fetishizing the fact that she's a virgin even if you still why would it be

Malika fetish so I just don't see the requir is that under the purview of his religious belief okay if you want someone with a low body count or someone who also wants to wait for marriage why

Andrew Wilsonnot a virgin that's the lowest body count okay so why why do you want that well what if what if he's doing it via Divine command what if they think it's divine command but you yourself were not I didn't say I was but I'm

Malikasking hypocritical it's not hypocritical what where's the hypocrisy it's it being hypocritical because you yourself are not a virgin and you're only looking to marry a vir despite

Andrew Wilsonwhether or not she's had 100 bodies in house and saying I'll wait till the marriage for my 10st body what you've just done is made an argument from hypocrisy which is a fallacy right so

Andrew Wilsoncan you make the argument not from hypocrisy and give me an actual argument for why that's in any way shap or form wrong I never said it's wrong I you said

Malikit was predatory and creepy well okay I well predatory sounds pretty wrong okay I do think it it's a little off if a man wants a virgin

Malikand they themselves were not in the past yeah you find your preferences because my just say my preference but there's no real virgins when men think of virgins they typically think of the adjectives

Andrew Wilsoninnocent young virtuous pous fine pure um pure so so men so men who find virtue are not

Malikallowed to go for maximum virtue check before I answer that before I answer that okay okay if there was a woman who let's just say not even 100 10

Malikbodies right mhm she has 10 bodies she said you know what I found God I'm going to wait till marriage for the rest and that same man who has had a hundred bodies and now has reformed and found God and wants to wait till marriage

Malikautomatically disqualifies her just for the fact that she is not a virgin what's he doing wrong you don't find that creepy at all no what's he doing wrong he's not he's not necessarily doing anything wrong okay so hang on hang on he's not doing anything wrong he's not

Andrew Wilsondoing anything immoral he's also doing something is maximum virtue from your purview so tell me why do you find it creepy outside of it just gives me the

Malikick it's the same instance no no anything besides it just gives me the ick I will okay okay can I ask you another question before I do you find a 40-year-old man sleeping with an 18-year-old woman to be creepy don't

Andrew Wilsongive a flying [ __ ] not even a little I personally find that creepy and Predator do you think she should vote that's a whole other oh well wait a

Andrew Wilsonsecond you don't want this dumb chick who these evil Predators can just come and mangle her brain you don't want them to be able to hang on you don't want

Malikthem to be able to vote and then cancel out the well-informed vote 40-year-old men do you keep it here why does any 40-year-old men you're halfway through your life want to have sex with someone fresh out of high school or still in

Andrew Wilsonhigh school well okay who gives a [ __ ] yeah who gives a [ __ ] why is it that 18-year-old women should be alive to vote I never said they should or shouldn't should 21y old be allowed to

Malikvote I think that high schoolers maybe should not vote um but at 18 that's a whole yeah a lot of 18yar olds are still in high school are just graduating so

Andrew Wilsonthen why not just Advocate this instead instead of saying I find it creepy the age Gap right yes why not just say I want to raise the age of consent to 21 because I don't think the age of consent

Andrew Wilsonshould be raised to 20 right okay so just the age of consent between too much of an age Gap how much is the age Gap that you think is too much what's that equation divided by 2 plus 7 or something so that's just all ick though

Andrew Wilsonisn't that just all I I don't think so like can a 40-year-old man hook up with a 70-year-old woman can can he marry a 70-year-old woman is that too much of an age Gap they can I think an 18-year-old

Andrew Wilsonis a child I think anyone under 25 does not have a fully developed brain then why are they [ __ ] allowed to vote and join the military and do all this other [ __ ] [ __ ] why can they buy cigarettes why can they buy beer why could they

Andrew Wilsondrive cars what are you doing 18-year-olds cannot buy beer no you said up until 25 their brains aren't ful devel rest so why don't not no at 21 all

Malikrestrictions are basically gone sming at 21 GS no at 25 wait wait wait wait back up back up back up first of all uh at 21 years old basically all restrictions off

Andrew Wilsonthe table right there's very few that aren't there and when it comes to when it comes to like getting a car that's because of insurance purposes 25-year-olds have way more experience driving that's why it's fair simple

Andrew Wilsonright so we move back like 25y olds have much more life experience yeah but here's the question right why is it that a 40-year-old and 18-year-old can't make the decision to get married right hang

Andrew Wilsonon hang on or hook up or whatever it is they want to do right but the 18-year-old can nullify the vote of The 40-Year-Old if you think that the disparity in their brains are that bad

Andrew WilsonBR up the voting argument when I never mentioned voting I know I mentioned it because I'm giving you an analogy for why your argument is absurd I'm giving you an analogy by pointing out this thing over here exists and is fine cuz

Andrew WilsonSchrodinger's feminist who can both vote and is a girl boss and is an ass KCK could do everything at 18 years old suddenly is matched up with an evil 40-year-old Sith Lord who just wants to

Andrew Wilsonmangle her [ __ ] brain so he can sleep with her is she competent enough to deal with this this ass kicking feminist or do we need to raise the age of consent

Malikso that this hyper predatory Sith Lord can't mangle her brain most 40-year-old men at some point in their life when they were younger had a child that is probably 18 or older so

Andrew Wilsonif you are at an age where you're sleeping with woman the age of potentially your own daughter I find that extremely predatory and creeping well I find it predatory that that woman could be sleeping with a man the age of

Malikher father you can't even what a sick [ __ ] what a sick [ __ ] you take that [ __ ] to prison oh my God you can't even have a serious conversation that's a serious argument

Andrew Wilsonit's as serious of an argument as your argument I can't believe he's sleeping with them at the AG daughter I can't believe she's sleeping with someone in the age of her father it's the I stated

Malikthe fact that men specifically want younger women and and I just stated that in this case the younger woman must also want the man I agree and I think that's

Andrew Wilsonweird okay but there's a completely different aspect this makes no sense what are you talk if she wants it and he wants it your problem is just it gives me the ick no so so let's let's just say it gives you the ick you're never going

Malikto win this argument so there's an 18-year-old with a body count of a 100 and she finds a 40-Year-Old Virgin dude and she wants to train him to be her husband and to take care of him and look

Malikafter him and all that I mean everyone has their own cup of tea but that's weird why would an eight 18y old what do you mean train him she's an adult she can make her own decision most 40-year-old men who are looking for

Malikvirgins or 18 19yearold women want to train them how to be their woman that's why they go for the innocent young women oh they don't want someone with prior experience oh and so why are those

Andrew Wilsonyounger women going for those older men it's typically The Men Who go for the younger women but why are those women going the older men have convinced them because they're young and no I

Andrew Wilsonthink that the younger women just want their [ __ ] resources and are using their beauty in order to entice them so they can take all their [ __ ] you tell me why I'm wrong and you're right I didn't

Maliksay you're not wrong but I don't so what makes you right I'm just making the point that I think men now tell me why I'm WR older men focusing on wanting virgins is very creepy well I think that

Andrew Wilsonyounger women and yes the fact that younger women will entice these 40-year-old men to take their resources I think that's creep I don't know why you're so defensive if you married want to have sex with an 18-year-old woman oh my God what does that have to do with

Malikthe price of tea in China what does it have to do with anything can you answer yes or no what what was the question you unmarried man would you want to have sex with an 18-year-old woman no I wouldn't that wouldn't be my preference cuz it's

Andrew Wilsonnot my preference but if it were I wouldn't see anything wrong with it and you wouldn't either you got you have you have no moral no moral argument not a single one you have not a single

Andrew Wilsonargument that you've given thus far other than it [ __ ] icky now when you're ready to give me an argument and I'm going to sit here and wait I gave you AR just because you dismissed them hang on hang on I'm going to wait to

Malikhear anything other than it gives me the ick go ahead I said there is a high likelihood that that man might have a daughter the same age as this woman he

Malikwants to have sex with so that is morally wrong why cuz she feels like it why that is that is wrong because a man

Malikshould not be sexualizing woman his daughter's age what if his daughter's 30 wait can I jump in on this Qui hangang on what if his daughter's 30 oh my if his daughter's honestly if you think

Andrew Wilsonit's okay to [ __ ] what if he's 50 and his daughter's 30 and she brings a friend home who's also 30 is he [ __ ] creep I find that yes it's so why is

Malikthat immoral again it's it's okay I I will say it is my opinion it is my opinion BAS just say it's ick why why just take the L and say the ick it's not

Maliktaking just take the L and say it's the ick Andrew I have zero arguments at all just say it I stated multiple arguments I said her brain is not fully developed she's young probably fresh out of high

Andrew Wilsonschool she does not have nearly as much life experience that man is old enough to be her father so is it imal years I find it immoral yes okay so let's start again we'll start with the first one which give me the one argument you think

Andrew Wilsonwhere it's immoral let's start with that one go ahead I find it immoral and hypocritic to you can't make an argument from hypocrisy it's vicious so that's dismiss but you can go ahead and make a

Malikdifferent argument which is moral do that yes it is morally wrong if you are an older man who has had multiple sexual partners to only be interested in

Malikinnocent pure young women to want to train them to be yours and potentially manipulate them being yours great why is that immoral was the intent to

Andrew Wilsonmanipulate why is that immoral yeah for the 800th time why I said it is an opinion when it comes to that then that not it's just your opinion it's a moral

Andrew Wilsonyes Le your moral argument is it's my opinion sure we'll say that sure I'm going to go have a

Brian Atlascigarette I will take over I'm going to take over there from there um if you want to take a seat our good Chilean Soldier understand I'll engage with you

Brian Atlason the on the debate though so okay um so you think an 18-year-old woman cannot consent to sex with a man you used I never stated that but you you you

Brian Atlaswere making the argument that they aren't their brains I don't even know if this is true that their brains are not fully developed your your brain is not fully developed until you're 25 yes that is true okay so because their brain is

Brian Atlasnot developed until they're 25 they should it was not what the argument wasn't even about age at first it turned into that it was about body andg it was about virginity I said I I don't know why

Brian Atlasyou're the one who brought being young into it because a woman could be 25 and 30 and she could be actually funun funnily enough next week we're we have a

Brian Atlas39 and a 40-year-old Virg uh virgin women coming on the show so you can be a virgin and be in your late 20s 30 can die virgins people can be a virgin at any age absolutely

Malikyou brought the Young Thing the young it it was more of a question versus a debate I was trying to understand why do men idolize by the way Andrew is cracking up but I wish we had a camera

Brian AtlasAndrew's cracking up out there oh no you're good I'm just telling them you're we see you cracking up out there not what you said oh okay something else

Malikokay um we weren't laughing at Mal I don't know why men idolize and glorify virgin virgin and young women

Brian Atlasespecially considering if they are older or have I kind of get that to a degree cuz you obviously have this grooming culture oh my God it's not grooming to desire a partner with a low body count

Annie Charlotteno no no I'm not saying that that they go hand in hand I'm saying that a small minority of people that do go looking for a small body count do in do you think the majority of men who prefer

Brian Atlaswomen with a low body count or who prefer virgins are grooming women that's no that's why I said let's just remove that off the table because it's kind of

Brian Atlasan exceptional uh scenario and grooming is a very specific term here how Okay um so wait I I want to engage with you a

Brian Atlaslittle bit on this so you said that people are not their brains are not fully developed until they're the age of 25 right yes so do you think then and you think this is the case for both men and women or is it just women who are

Brian Atlasyou know I mean you can fact check me I believe that's no but do you think it's you think this applies more so to to women because typically men tend to have more of a preference towards younger

Brian Atlaskeyword women uh and I think it's typically not the case for for women to prefer younger men I mean I I think it goes so do you think we should you you see it more in the man being older okay

Brian Atlasso given the fact that you said that women should not be I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here but you're saying that well this is not okay because their brains are not developed

Brian Atlasuntil they're 25 Andrew already asked you this but do you think we should roll back voting rights for women until they're 25 I think 25 is a bit steep for that um

Malikso you think we should raise the vote but I wouldn't be o opposed to for just women or for both men and women for both men and women I wouldn't be opposed to raising the minimum wage however for men

Maliksince men can be drafted at 18 I don't think it's fair to draft them and not have them be able to vote so an 18-year-old man is it creepy for him to go for a

Malik40-year-old woman then but if no but if a 40-year-old woman goes for an 18-year-old man I do find that creepy I mean that's know Amber Rose right now wait so if the younger one goes for the

Malikolder one that's not creepy not necessarily it so so then this is not a moral argument at all this is just you got the ick right it's just you got the

Andrew Wilsonbut can you explain to me why men desire young pure virgins well yes I can actually and I can lay it out the best possible way one men value fertility two

Andrew Wilsonthe reason that they want women who have a low body count is because until recently technology has made it possible for us to determine whe what are whether or not The Offspring

Andrew Wilsonthat we have is actually ours before that what determined whether or not The Offspring was ours so what if hang on before for that what determined if The Offspring was ours what would be the

Andrew Wilsonbest way for you to determine your Offspring was actually you had sex with that person exclusively right and so promiscuity and multiple sex partners

Andrew Wilsonwould definitely lower uh your um kind of ability to know whether or not The Offspring was because if why if you find

Malika woman who in the past had under five sexual partners hasn't slept with anyone in years yeah a lot of men would still disqualify her from being in a romantic relationship just because she's not a

Andrew Wilsonvirgin yeah but you're asking ask you're making two bizarre distinctions though you're asking why would men be attracted to X right versus the descriptor of

Malikthere's lots of men who if you had ex Behavior would push that aside I can understand why they're attractive virgins but specifically that they won even if the Bon's one two three they

Andrew Wilsonit's an hard no well again I don't think that's a lot of men's standards but but even if it is a considerable amount though but let's just say it was all of their standards like all men that was their standards right that old uh I

Andrew Wilsondon't know no Heyman no diamond or whatever right no no diamond right that's that's all of their standards it would still actually make sense as to why because a woman who's a virgin and

Andrew Wilsonyou're the person who you know takes that you know what I mean through marriage or whatever you're a Insurance of your Offspring actually

Andrew Wilsonbeing yours is what percentage it would be 100% that's it now you know she mystery solved if she has not had children in the past how is that

Andrew Wilsonrelevant well because every single because with every new because with every new sexual partner uh you're she's not having new she is married to you I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand I'm trying to give you the rundown with every new sexual partner that she's had men intuitively understand that her pair bonding goes down and so what they're worried about

Andrew Wilsonis due to the promiscuity that she'd be more likely to step out now even that percentage could be low super low but you know who's the lowest with who's it the lowest with it is the

Andrew Wilsonlowest with virgins it is the lowest with virgins and how would you assure that your Offspring 100% was yours if you have an exclusive relationship it has nothing to do with virginity yeah

Andrew Wilsonbut does because because again with promiscuity because with promiscuity I'm not saying This Woman's promiscuous yes but with every new body count that a woman she's not having new bodies she's

Andrew Wilsonjust but with every new body count that she has her ability to parir a bond lowers so your ability to note whether she's stepping out on you or not lessens

Brian Atlassignificantly I'll this simple right oh okay young girls are basically uh you can tell as soon as they open open their mouth and say something you're basic basically a p

Andrew Wilsonword you're fetishizing her Youth and innocence I think that she's fetishizing I age with that I think that she's ftiz your experience and resources that's

Brian Atlas18-year-old is a high schooler they're basically a child wait you agree with you you think men who are attracted to women who are 18 or 19 are PWS I didn't

Maliksay PW I find you said you agree with you find it I I do find it I'll say I'll make you happy I find it icky go I find it icky that men more than double a high

Malikschooler's age want to have sex or get married to her and I don't find it icky so now what do we do with this I find you Icky yeah I find you ickier so now what do we do with this honestly we just we have a difference of opinions we

Brian Atlasdon't do anything with it we don't do anything with it so who gives a [ __ ] but this okay this all started from first we were talking about virginity you brought youth into this conversation again let's

Brian Atlasassume that the woman's 25 or 30 and she's a virgin so does it is it for example is it icky for a 35 yearold to want to date a 25-year-old virgin is

Brian Atlasthat icky no I don't find it icky however okay I I I when men typically want virgins they don't say I want a virgin older than 25 I think they would be happy I mean

Brian Atlasvirgin is probably okay more important than age say they want to one at 24 like what I don't I don't get the problem here let them find a 24y old

Brian Atlasvirgin I think I'd prefer to I would certainly prefer find it just it just feels almost like a fetish in some instances it just feels like to me feels so whatever men men are basically not

Brian Atlasallowed to have preferences standards and boundaries it's always demonized or pathologized when men have some it should be demonized for older men women are allowed to have preferences women are allowed to what women are allowed to have

Brian Atlaspreferences okay but a lot of I said yeah but a lot of them are college age too but all that matters is that some could be in high school but you see how disingenuous you see how you see how no no no no hold on

Brian Atlasbut they would it's funny to me how they'll always use a woman who's she's in high school she's 18 she she must be in high school or she's a teenager bear

Brian Atlasin mind 13 14 like that's also a teenager but you're going to use like a 19-year-old woman is technically a teenager but you use very specific language to kind of give it the the

Brian Atlasmarketing spin of like you're trying to paint no but you're using language to try to paint it in the most unflattering bad light way because I do find it to be

Brian Atlasnegative okay so what's uh what's the oldest a 19-year-old woman could date what's the oldest I don't think she's a teenager right what's the oldest a 19-year-old woman can date without it being she could date whoever she wants

Malikbut if she dates at a certain age I'm going to find it [ __ ] icky just say it just go ahead I I said it's I don't think this goes both ways if 19-year-olds are attracted to older men

Madisonthat's just them being young and dumb if older men are specifically they they don't know they're 19 they don't know what life is like so you're basically saying like an 18-year-old adult is incompetent in making decisions yes

Madisonwhich is exactly why we shouldn't consider 18-year-olds than to be adults I was 18 literally in college so you're saying like at s a lot of 17y olds at that age are picking their Futures do

TTS/Donationsyou think that they're in he donated $100 age gaps should be viewed by percentage of age men shouldn't be more than 20% older than the woman women

TTS/Donationsshouldn't be 5% older than man anything outside of this is creepy or weird 20y old by the way he put that in quotes creepy and weird I the username was it's

Brian Atlasweird it's creepy wait so 18-year-old women should not be able to vote is that your position I never said that stopping words in my mouth but okay if they're not they're either adults or they're not

Malikokay 18 you can't do Schrodinger's feminist they're either adults or they're not adults I never said they were not adults if they're adults legally an adult woman well I find it

Brian Atlascreepy I find it creepy 18-year-old women can vote if if I may it gives me the ick okay wait so Andrew let me just come in and say this so Andrew already stated for example at 18 woman can join

Brian Atlasthe military she can sign a legally binding contract she can take out five or even six figures of student loans uh what what else she can she can do everything vote the only she can't do is

Brian Atlasbuy booze and smokes basically to basically should we increase the age to do all those things

Brian AtlasI don't think so do so then if but if okay if they can join the milit where they can go and get a [ __ ] uh go get

Brian Atlas[ __ ] uh shot at deleted in a war don't you think that they can consent to having sex with a man never said they canot consent you

Malikboth are twisting my words and I don't know how you're not trying how you don't understand the point she consents and he consents and they're both adult yes it it would be consensual sex but that doesn't mean the guy is not creepy or

Malikpredatory to specifically want 18-year-old virgins why what makes him creepy or predatory other than ick like I said if I could talk to about

Malikyou're at 19 correct mhm if I can talk to you instead of the guy I'm arguing with hold on hold on no no just just for a sake of example yeah if if 40 to 60y

MadisonOld Men constantly hit on you would you find that predatory or creepy honestly um

Madisonwell in like a dating Prospect I in a romantic prospect it's just not my preference of men but or I'll even say

Malikyour age group if there was 40 to 60 yearold men who only wanted women your age how would you feel about those type I'm not surprised like that H that

Andrew Wilsonexists it exists but just bite the bullet and say sure sure okay now let me ask you this question back now let me ask you this question back the other way if she went out and

Andrew Wilsonhit on a bunch of 40-year-old men is that creepy no then shut the [ __ ] up you can't you got nothing you got nothing that's the that's the end of it there's it literally makes no sense that doesn't

Andrew Wilsongive you the ick the other because you disagree doesn't mean it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense why would that why would that be okay but the other way it's not okay are you vegan no okay what do it's okay for you to

Malikconsume cows yeah cows consumed humans I gave cows no moral consideration the [ __ ] is that what the [ __ ] cows are not

Malikhumans hold up should should cows be fed humans huh should cows be like dead humans no cows started alive before you

Andrew Wilsonate them you're comparing human wait wait hang on I want to finish this real quick real quick say this again okay not you're saying everything

Malikhas to be reciprocated so if I'm not saying has to be reciprocated I'm saying old on younger woman and that's not okay then it's not okay for younger women to hit on older men no I'm asking why one's

Malikcreepy and one's not one is creepy because that man has significant more life experience and is praying on

Andrew Wilsonyounger purer women so they can train or groom them to be what they want in the what if the this older man who's 40 is really buff and really [ __ ] dumb and

Madisonthe 19-year-old smarter than he is then who's the Predator then is that icky yes it's icky yes it's icky okay let's just is that what you

Brian Atlaswant to hear yes it's very hard slap boing I so okay let me come in on this so Andrew I don't know if this is if this is either Shifting the goal post or M and Bailey but here's

Brian Atlaswhere we started we were talking about virginity age was not at all a factor but she retreated to a more defensible position of it's not defensible position

Brian Atlaswell but she retreated to a a stronger position of optic optically stronger let's talk about well okay it's 18-year-old virgins now not just virgins

Andrew Wilsonbecause that's where we started is that M and Bailey or is that um uh Shifting the goalpost well no it was it it was an optical M and Bailey so the the mod is 18 the Bailey is virgin then you say yes

Andrew Wilsonit's okay because there's not actually anything that's morally incorrect about it she agrees but then says it's icky and so the Optics there is most people would agree that it's icky and so therefore it's icky I guess that's where

Brian Atlaswe end up I want to engage you on the Virgin component of this so your original statement was well I think it's kind of hypocritical for a man who you know maybe he's got a high body count

Brian Atlasand he wants to date women who have a low body count or who are virgins you object to that you think they must be relegated for the rest of

Brian Atlasto dating women who have the exact same body count as him well okay let me ask you a question how tall are you I'm I'm 5'5 or 5'6 okay do you like tall men I

Malikdon't care about height you don't care about height at all what you did a guy who's shorter than you yes have you okay that's [ __ ] i' I've been in one relationship

Brian Atlashow tall was your boyfriend 510 511 okay so let's see what else uh okay let me me ask you a question so in order for you to want to be with someone do you need

Brian Atlasto be exactly the same no need you in order to be attracted to a trait need you possess said trait

Malikno okay Checkmate GG hold on before you say Che G I was GG well my original point which you twisted was I want to understand and I was asking for an understanding no you objected

Malikspecifically to men with high body counts wanting virgins let me finish I said I don't understand why older men

Malikwith high body counts only want to date they gave you a list of reasons and and I said because I personally find that creepy and I was looking for an

Andrew Wilsonexplanation no actually you said it was immoral I just want to let you you brought that up yeah and you you said it was imal I personally find it immoral but that's my opinion she said you said it was creepy and Predator you don't

Malikhave personal Mor morality though you have external Divine command and I I personally get complicated I'm in my I am in my early 20s but I look at 18 19

Brian Atlasyear olds as children what bro what what her own world there's a definition

Malikadult has a definition yes it does so you view a n a a 19-year-old as a child not a not a child the same as a 10-year-old but I think they're a kid

Brian Atlasthey're still in high school usually 19-year-olds are not in high school are in high school I don't know any what the [ __ ] dumb ass [ __ ] 19yearold

Brian Atlasthey held back ones I'm sorry but no the 20 the 20-year-old high school student 19-year-olds are sophomores in college

Malikyou think this is are s in College okay okay but back to this you don't have personal morality you follow Divine

Andrew Wilsoncommand I do yeah so then why what do you mean personally I find it immoral I I don't know why you're defending 40 plus year old men being

Malikokay with being with I don't know why you're offending I I've told you multiple times I find it icky right okay and that's why I'm defending cuz I don't give a [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonwhat you consider icky all I care about is what is moral or immoral or that you can make an actual argument for that somebody somewhere is going to give a [ __ ] about thus far that has not happened okay so once again if I can

Brian Atlasjump here in order for you to desire something in a partner need you possess that trait no I was asking for an explanation I was asking for an

Malikexplanation and you could not give you want to go through it again you said I'll jump in on this eventually eventually hold on eventually you did answer it but it took you a while no I did it immediately you didn't say the

Andrew Wilsonpair bonding till later no I went through step by step by step and started with why fertility would be a thing that we would go after and then I explained fertility has nothing to do with virginity yeah but then I explained why it would be that you would stop it would

Andrew Wilsonhave to do with young age though which is I literally I literally walked you through step by step by step by step including parir bonding virginity all well event I had to start at the

Andrew Wilsonbeginning and walk you through so yes it's an eventual gra like we have to start the bottom R so we can get to the top Rong okay I did not disagree this point so I don't know why we're debating

Annie Charlotteabout what I didn't disagree on no well then if there's no disagreement then there's actually nothing wrong with a 40y oldold we have a difference in opinions yeah you get the ick and you don't and we don't care okay I feel like a lot of people get the ick over it though there's like if you scroll

Annie Charlottethrough Tik Tok and stuff there's of like you know like on the street conversations and they like speak to like couples the comment section is wild so literally I just NL um nla Chopper he

TTS/Donationsposted a picture and then I post it we kind of do this when they do this we WE Post like under under stuffff and forsa donated $100 do you think a 40y and an 18y can

Andrew Wilsonhave an adult conversation about anything Maddie I'm sure you would think it's weird I'm not so sure that men and women can have adult conversations about anything anyway I don't know I'm 19 and

Madisonyou're what 38 40 oh 40 I think we can have a pretty actually we do I never said that that was the

Brian AtlasDono responding to okay here I'm going I'm going do a couple chats we have RV she said men should not expect to find a virgin close to their age instead of saying that women should give more

Brian Atlasimportance to pair bonding for Humanity's well-being she pref prefers sexual instant gratification over the future of humanity Mercy buku for the Canadian 50 do you want to respond to

Brian Atlasthat quickly let me reread that oh my God L just readit for you on the silver just word vomit it's just word vomit okay she has no comment thank you though for the uh super chat Nickelodeon

Brian AtlasPlaying devil's advocate dude Pike drives through 100 women finds God once a Virg Virginia why not to settle for a born- again virgin Andrew he can yeah he

Malikcan he can so just playing Devil's Advocate back that argument didn't [ __ ] work really well did it also I I do want to reply to the last sentence of the last donation okay sure

Malikum I was not advocating for instance sexual gratification I'm against casual sex for myself personally I just didn't understand a man's Outlook and reasoning for wanting younger woman

Brian Atlaswhich and explain which Andrew has since explained would you date Henry uh caval no you wouldn't no okay all right she says it she says one thing maybe she

Brian Atlasmeans no I I genuinely would not rich handsome famous allaround good dude plays World of Warcraft what's wrong with you just kidding I'm kidding

Malikyou cannot want to date Henry Caville that's fine why are you looking at me that what the [ __ ] chill bro I I don't know you could have named a bunch of other attra date 26 year olds 27

Brian Atlasthey're disqualified would you go for Brad Pit he's he's in his 50s right no okay I I I don't know she's too good for Brad Pit folks Brad pit would you object to BR

Maliklike a woman who's like 19 wanting to date Brad Pit no I don't object to it but you think it'd be weird if he let's say okay let's say I only think it's weird if he only wants 19-year-olds I think that's

Malikthe point both of you are missing I think it's fine if an older and younger person get together I think that's fine when an older man is only targeting 18 19 year olds or virgins is that the case though like is that really there are

Brian Atlassome men who think that yes but I'm sure like that I still don't understand what the argument could possibly be if they did okay for example for me right no no

Brian Atlasno okay for for me right so I'm 34 yeah I would date a girl who's 21 okay now I'm not hanging out at college parties I don't go to I don't party or go to clubs

Brian Atlasand bars to begin with but like if I ran into a 21-year-old who was attractive and she liked me I liked her we got along I see no problem there I think you would object to it though I no I agree

Brian Atlaswith you I but I'm not again but I would date a woman I would also date a woman saying specific oh like but so so my here's here's but here's my thing though so I would date a woman who's my age I might I've actually dated women who are

Brian Atlasolder than me I would date a woman around my age plus or minus a couple years but I would also if 21-year-old woman was interested in dating me I would date her but do you do you object to that no I don't object to any of that

MadisonI Brian it's for you it's specifically their hyperfocused yes in reality those things aren't really working out with those men that with than IDE it doesn't but but but there's a lot of men who

Malikidolize that and you said you're 34 right yeah would you deliberately hang out in groups College pars or whatever with where you know women are going to be 18 to 21 in looking for a partner or

Brian Atlasif you had a dating profile would you set your preferences to be 18 to 21 year old woman okay so to answer the first question no I'm not at college parties trolling for college chicks and then two

Brian AtlasI would if I I haven't been on dating apps for a while if I were to set my age range I would set it probably like8 to 39 maybe okay exactly and I see nothing wrong with that but I think I was trying

Malikto make the point that I find it creepy when men specifically only want 18 19 20y old women yeah you do okay you just all right there you go it just really kind of it does it does

Brian Atlasit rubs me the wrong way oh we got some tweets from our our dear friend Malik did I get it right this time oh no [ __ ] wait did I get the name right though oh yeah you got it right we got I

Brian Atlasdon't think anything is got on my Twitter which is why I said I don't know uh if men didn't exist nothing would get done yeah can you uh Zoom it out a bit you're going to have to zoom it back

Brian Atlasin though after actually I I don't disagree with that men did not exist in the world was wait got a laughy face emoji there oh okay if but you you disagreed if men

Brian Atlasdidn't okay you disagreed with the me yeah I'm disagreeing that yeah I I stand by that okay yeah okay yeah I find it's laughable that people think that no no no uh scroll up Scroll wait next yeah

Brian Atlasnext it's not the own you thought it was Malik you're going to read these okay okay mck Nick uh right corner you can you can read it a lot of

Malikpeople fail to recognize the fact that if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive today several men lack the leadership skills so women have to step up to the plate men need to be better

Brian Atlasleaders so women can follow I agree with that here's the issue that I see is that granted I I think men are lacking in a lot of ways

Brian Atlasmen need to uh step it up a bit uh the reality is though even as a man if you if you are inclined to lead and you are a good leader there's a lot

Brian Atlasokay there's a lot of women that are not prepared to be followers because that's the the yin and yang of if you're a woman and you want a man who's a

Brian Atlasleader you need to be prepared to follow and a lot of women want the man to be a leader but in a very confusing way don't want to follow you're attracted to the

Brian Atlasleader but also you don't want to you're attracted to the leader but you don't want so in order to lead you have to be willing to be led and a lot of women are

Brian Atlascombative and argumentative and quarrelsome and boss babes and all this stuff she's Orthodox she agrees yeah I agree with everything you just said right but that's the issue is like a lot

Andrew Wilsonof a lot of women don't want to don't want to follow yeah so so from from our perview it would be that it is I mean it's true right this

Andrew Wilsonis a big a big thing which talked about inside of Orthodox fears constantly uh whether they're cradle born not cradle born is that women will often say they know that they're supposed to be submissive to their husbands but they

Andrew Wilsonhave a hard time right their husband needs to prove themselves first their husband needs to show them they're worthy of leading them that's kind of like the opposite of submission right

Malikthat's not the point of submission I agree and disagree with you I I agree in the fact that yes woman should submit and not necessarily wait for the man to take control however I do think if a man

Malikdoesn't give a woman reassurance or safety or the just the trust that they can take care of them and be a leader I I can understand that's not submission I can understand a woman not wanting to fully submit if there's apprehension

Andrew Wilsonthey may not want to but that's not the point of submission is what you want because otherwise it wouldn't be submission but that's that's why in in my tweet I said that if men uh were more better leaders and wanted to take the

Malikleading role more more women would submit there's so many men that I get it that the purpose of submission that's the point and that was the point of my

Andrew Wilsontweet okay okay so wouldn't that be hypocrisy then no no you're trying to make it something it's not okay next tweet you want to read it all men want

Malikis a woman who is pretty loyal supportive and pure all women need is a man who can emotionally financially support them yet women be picky about all the irrelevant stuff wait I thought

Malikyou were against men wanting pure if that's all they only want no I I am not against I think men you want that I I was just honing in on the we we went on

Malikthat debate way too long and I think me and Andrew uh specifically agree on a lot of points it's just I think both of us were misconstruing um our arguments and I was just holding on one specification not I

Brian Atlaswas miscon okay next tweet next tweet uh Pearl says uh that and then you

Andrew Wilsonsay if a man told you to hang on can I read pearls real quick sure okay so says no I do not need therap therapy you dumb

Andrew Wilsonwoman I see what is in front of my eyes women make dumb choices let men make choices not us just wanted to do that real quick if a man told you to delete your social media would you but I

Annie Charlottethought you were submissive how is that not submissive wait would you delete your social media yes oh okay all right next tweet but why were you arguing with the

Annie Charlottelady she was tweeting keep it moving let's keep it

Brian Atlasmoving oh okay this is from Pearl again you I guess you and pearl have a friendship uh Vanna White says she's leaving Wheel of Fortune unless she

Brian Atlasmakes at least half of what Pat zjack makes Pat Z jaac makes 15 million a year so is that's the lady that like points to the letter if I have a correct she

Brian Atlasdoesn't speak really just so she says she's leaving Wheel of Fortune unless she makes at least half of what Pat Z Jack makes scroll down and then you respond you want to read this this is

Maliknot delusional is she replaceable of course does she deserve at least half of her male co-host salary though yes we'll see what they do uh why I don't I actually um don't necessarily think she

Malikdeserves half you that's what you said though I I did say that but I'm allowed to change my opinion um but as I st in the first part of that response is she is easily replaceable if you're EAS replaceable obviously you shouldn't

Malikdeserve the same salary so you were just wrong about that tweet I I would say I was wrong about what was your position back then um I guess my the justification my position back then was it was not

Maliknecessarily wrong of her to want a higher salary or quit um but she's replaceable so they're not probably not going to do it but wait pull it back up the same

Malikone but you said it's not about you said she deserved deserves at least half it's not you didn't say she was I said I I don't agree with that that that's the part

Brian Atlasthat she's changed her mind about I know but what was I was ask okay whatever yourp I was asking like what your argument would have been for it back then why does she

Malikdeserve I I said back then um I I I don't remember that like I said that was from a year ago but I I was probably tweeting in the context of it's not wrong if her to ask for that much and

Malikquit if they don't give it but you said use the word deserve um because it was it was in the original tweet okay all right

Brian Atlasnext oh uh don't scroll up F FTP so yeah F the police yeah okay all right AG question for the whole table here

Brian Atlasstarting with you and then we'll figure it out uh would you date a police officer no is it because do you just have a gen General dislike for police or

Malikno I I personally know people who are police um okay I I just okay I just would not well we'll go around the table on

Crowthis starting with you we'll go all the way around no I would not date a police officer no um I guess say I wouldn't because the potential of

Alexis Wilkinsthem getting her on duty and then passing away sure I couldn't Alexis um I support the police force I think that you know back the blue I think

Alexis Wilkinsthey're awesome I'm really grateful for what they do um It's s answering hypothetical is when you're like in a relationship uh if you

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