Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate! She Has 2 Vs? TRAD OF GIRL? VlRGlN Tatted Club Girl? | Dating Talk #137

Date: 2024-02-21

Duration: 6h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMiss Exquisite >

MMadison (DT137)>

AAnnie Charlotte >

MMalik (DT137)>

AAlexis Wilkins >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05The Gobler(guest)

SPEAKER_06Miss Exquisite(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alexis Wilkins(guest)

SPEAKER_10Malik(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Annie Charlotte(guest)

SPEAKER_14Crow(guest)

Key Moments

IntroThe Gobler introduces herself as an adult film star who is also a licensed practical nurse, keeping her real name private to protect her nursing career.

“I'm from upstate New York um and I'm 30 years old and that's about it oh oh I'm a adult film star sorry”

IntroAnnie Charlotte reveals she has uterus didelphys: two vaginas, two cervixes, two uteruses. Currently has two boyfriends, one for each side.

“I'm Annie Charlotte I'm from London um and I'm an only fans model with two vaginas”

ControversyAnnie Charlotte debates Brian on STD testing practices in UK OnlyFans industry vs US mainstream porn, challenging his characterization of the risks.

“we have to get tested every 14 days”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Annie Charlotte: she cannot articulate a philosophical reason why men and women ought to be equal, despite writing a dissertation on Aristotle and feminism.

“I don't sorry I don't know I wish I knew why we weren't equal”

OtherCrow recounts being escorted into a locked basement by her boyfriend's family (cult-like) on their fourth date and coerced into having sex while the entire family watched. She complied out of fear for her safety.

“I saw the mom lock and chain the door I'm like oh boy”

ControversyBrian and Andrew debate abortion with Annie Charlotte. Annie argues life begins at brain function. Andrew shows she cannot consistently apply this principle (SA victim at 6 weeks).

“you just advocated it's okay to murder a kid”

ControversyMiss Exquisite challenges Brian's dating standards as unreasonable, saying you cannot expect someone you just met to immediately cut off everyone else.

“it doesn't make sense for you to assume that somebody's going to do that”

QuoteBrian makes extended World of Warcraft analogy about dating standards, comparing an ideal low-body-count woman to 'best in slot' loot.

“if I'm if I'm on my rogue right like I definitely want preditions blade from rag”

QuoteMalik tweets read on air: 'a lot of people fail to recognize the fact that if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive'.

“if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive”

OtherMiss Exquisite discloses estimated body count of ~250 (stopped counting after losing track; guesses 150-300).

“maybe between like 150 200 maybe 250 maybe 300 maybe”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian asks relationship status. Annie Charlotte reveals uterus didelphys condition and two boyfriends.

Reaction video: tatted virgin club girls

Panel reacts to man-on-street video of two Miami women who claim to be virgins. Debate on whether they are lying, body language analysis, whether tattoos/clubbing lifestyle implies sexual activity.

Shawn Evans and dating porn stars

Discussion of athlete Shawn Evans who reportedly broke up with porn star girlfriend. Brian argues men should not date women in sex work for practical, reputational, and STD reasons. Women in adult industry defend their practices and STD testing regimens.

Body count and female value

Extended discussion of whether body count affects partner value. Andrew argues it lowers female value more than male. Brian advocates men avoid even casual sex with women who have high body counts or are seeing other men. Gobler discusses cuck/stag psychology.

OnlyFans relationships and cheating

Debate on whether sex work constitutes cheating if partner is aware. Brian reads Miss Exquisite's explicit promotional tweets. Andrew poses hypothetical about calling partner before each sex act on set.

Annie Charlotte's philosophy dissertation and feminism debate

Annie Charlotte discusses her BA dissertation arguing Aristotle was a feminist. Andrew challenges her on why men and women ought to be equal. Extended debate on definition and justification of feminism, WNBA pay, wage gap.

Crow's cult family story

Crow recounts story of being coerced into having sex in front of boyfriend's entire family (parents, grandparents) in a locked basement on fourth date. Described as cult-like initiation ritual.

Abortion and legal paternal surrender

Brian and Annie Charlotte debate abortion rights. Brian proposes legal paternal surrender as reciprocal right for men. Annie agrees men should have option to relinquish parental rights if they do not want the child.

Self-ratings round (1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Miss Exquisite: 9. Annie: 10. Gobler: 10. Malik: 7. Crow: abstains. Alexis: 5. Brian: 5. Andrew: 4.

Dating standards and exclusivity

Brian advocates for men refusing to date or sleep with women seeing other men. Debate on whether it is unreasonable to expect exclusivity before commitment. Malik and Crow support monogamous dating; Miss Exquisite argues multiple dating is normal.

Exit strategies for sex workers

Andrew asks panelists about exit strategy from sex work. Miss Exquisite has started a business. Gobler plans stock market investing and can return to nursing. Andrew notes most high-risk plans fail.

Traditional women and lowering standards

Alexis discusses how her traditional girlfriends accept less from men. Panel debates whether women have standards too high or too low. Andrew and Malik discuss submission and female hypergamy charts.

Malik's tweets and male leadership / female submission

Brian reads Malik's tweets about men needing to be better leaders for women to submit. Andrew and Malik debate Orthodox Christian concept of wifely submission. Malik's tweet reviewed that police are corrupt.

Body count round

Brian asks everyone their body count. Madison: 8. Miss Exquisite: ~250. Gobler: 50-100. Annie: ~250 (counting both canals). Crow: 10. Malik: 1. Alexis: declines.

Transcript

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Miss Exquisiteum that was a girls trip I was just upset because I couldn't bring anything with me but um if I could I would have so don't don't get it

Miss Exquisitetwisted next more I can't wait to get back to my room so I can roll the fattest backwood known to men hey I'm a pth head I smoke a lot

Brian Atlasof weed but it's not really traditional you know being okay wait a minute cuz a drug addict no

Miss Exquisitea drug cons uh weed is a herb from the earth is actually a plant so poison but it's not a drug okay all right

Miss Exquisitenext there's never any when I come in the house I hate it here I like that you end so many with I hate it those moments I really do hate it

Miss Exquisitehere I hate when I'm watching content in a in a yeah don't stay hard like baby I don't want to watch boneless

Miss Exquisitedick I'mma Be honest with you and I don't think a lot of people realize that in the porn industry a lot of men cannot stay up like they're either about taking

Miss Exquisitedrugs for it to keep you know what I'm saying keep erections or they're constantly having to take breaks and kind of like rejuvenate and it's like

Miss Exquisitethat's why they got as a consumer I don't want to watch you doing something and then it looks like you're losing your momentum so it's like it's not appetizing to me at that point that's

Miss Exquisitefair I me hey dang oh my God I just nutted to the thought of this man I cannot wait to get my hands on him this but it's all public it's not very

Miss Exquisitetraditional you can't have I'm going on a date with a girl and I'm thinking about this is my work Twitter so none nothing about this is traditional still you though yeah it is still me yeah it is but this the fantasy this one's

Miss Exquisitereally not traditional can we have you read this Miss Exquisite I can't wait until this weekend I'mma throw the out of this man's until I can't

SPEAKER_03breathe um go on girl get it now I thought now I see why you thought it was the gobler because it's you know she still in your l insiration i

Miss Exquisitejust like no I'm just saying from all the is there more you know more you're so good at reading these as well though when you blow out the I went to go see a man about a horse tonight and I creamed

Brian Atlasall over that Muk just wait till you see this new video I was promoting I was Pro a BBC a big a BBC yes all right okay

Miss Exquisitethis is the circle promoting a new video that one wasn't that one wasn't even I want to go home I feel like I shouldn't be hearing

Malikthis why why here ear they're in the they're in the corner like we are so Christian pleas open up your ears it's not even it's not even a matter of that it's just so explicit I don't know why

Miss Exquisiteyou want the world to know those thoughts I mean it's really not about me wanting the world to know my thoughts it's about me promoting my videos it's about me promoting and getting engagement a lot of people see tweets like that and think that this is just

Miss Exquisitehow I feel all the time obviously it's promotion yeah but but I mean you got to think there are people out here that think these thoughts every day and they tweet it behind burner accounts or

Miss Exquisiteaccounts that they don't want you to find out what's the problem with me tweeting it from a sex worker page I didn't say there's a problem no no no I'm just I'm just saying like a like out loud we got another one look at this oh

Miss Exquisitemy God oh my God it's my man's birthday today I wish I was sucking his stick right now I mean Chris Brown hey I love Chris Brown I don't know what camera anybody else has to say I love that man

Brian AtlasI've been was that to promote a video no that was that was for me to get noticed right cuz who does not look well I mean if I'm going on a date with you on May 6

Brian AtlasGod on May [ __ ] it you sent this at noon you sent this at noon on May 5th if I'm going if I'm going on a date with you on May 5th at 5

Brian Atlas7 p.m. and I know you're wishing Chris Brown a happy birthday and wanting to suck his D I'mma feel a top away about that then you as a grown man need to

Miss Exquisitecheck your complex because that a that is a celebrity that I clearly have no access to at the moment Say Never Chris Brown is going to watch this and he's going to DM you

Miss Exquisitelater well hang on she said at the moment I did say at the moment I love the point of the Tweet was to get noticed all right I love you CHR does

Miss Exquisitethat mean that you um next it's more all right y'all y'all back there working okay I don't even want to read that yeah that's a lot that's a lot and I just

Brian Atlasfeel like y'all just trying to put me on a SL last one is that that's it okay cool all right Miss Exquisite I'm sorry my dear you are not traditional amen all you're not

Brian Atlastraditional your Twitter and the things we've discussed and the it's just you look you're still going to a lot of these guys are still going to give you traditional treatment but the argument that I'm making is if you're not a

Brian Atlastraditional woman you can cannot expect or demand traditional treatment from men I can't expect it but I will demand

Brian Atlasit you you still may very well get it but it does not seem like a fair tradeoff to the men it's not fair fair

Miss Exquisitewhat's not fair about it you're not returning you're not reciprocating traditional treat you know what I'm reciprocating in return what are you resp by default you're just not traditional though what does that mean

Andrew Wilsonyou get everything get the go she get the gobble gobble gobble that's what she get that's I mean like let's just say other than anything

Miss Exquisitesexually related I I wasn't just speaking sexually I just me all around the boort personality wise loyalty you know what I'm saying friendship no well they can't get loyalty I mean you can

Miss Exquisiteget loyalty and we're not going back to this whole me doing work is me cheating hang on I'm not even saying cheating I'm not even saying cheating here said that loyalty though I mean if my partner has

Miss Exquisitean understanding and is comfortable with what I do and my job then it's not cheating I'm being loyal because I'm allowing them into that part of my life

Miss Exquisiteand they know about it so it it it's not me not it's not me being disloyal at all let me ask you something let's say that you have um like a filmmaker and he wants you to do this big porno and he's

Andrew Wilsongoing to give you I don't know thousands of dollars whatever the hell they going rate is I have no idea mhm and you go sure yeah I'll do that and your partner has an understanding that you you know

Andrew Wilsonyou do porn Okay that's he he knows this okay so you go you do the porn then you get out of the porn and you go out in the parking lot and some guy's like hey I'll give you 10 grand to you know do

Andrew Wilsonthis sex act to me and you do that is that cheating if the other guy gives you 10 grand and you do it well just because he has 10 grand doesn't mean I'm going to do it yeah

Miss Exquisiteknow but if you did would it be cheating if I didn't let my partner know about it yeah that would be cheating that would be cheating that's the because they're not they're unaware of me now doing something else so do you have to call

Andrew Wilsonyour partner every single time you're going to do something and be like yeah I'm going to go do this sexual act with this other person if I had a partner yeah I would D I mean why not sounds you wouldn't want to be honest they're

Andrew Wilsonalready coming into a situation where they're kind of feeling a little skeptical do that just sound totally miserable for the guy to be like oh okay then you know have fun I speak on that now

Brian Atlasbecause I talk to somebody who deals with it yeah like that's just it okay uh here we have a chat coming in and then I'll try to get through everybody else's

Brian Atlasnotes we have shea is essay included in body count not a drunk hookup regret uh red flag also how does someone from the 317 get on the Pod hey DM at whatever on Instagram we are casting women if you're

Brian Atlasa woman you want to be on the show if you can make it if you can make make it to Santa Barbara just shoot us a DM no essay is not included in body count I wouldn't consider it has to be consensual like a real case and not the

Brian Atlasyou know made up [ __ ] yeah I don't consider that either all right moving on with the notes okay still here on miss exquisit you said you have a lot of crazy stories uh you caught your ex

Brian Atlascheating by opening his garage if we can just so I can get through everyone's notes try to keep I I want to try to just get through everyone's notes um let's try to keep a little brief if

Miss Exquisitepossible finding the spare key popping up on him so you caught him in the act kind of so basically I pulled up to his house this was after school one day mind

Miss Exquisiteyou he's graduating and I'm a junior um pulled up to his house he wasn't answering the phone I seen an unknown car I never seen before in front of his house so I'm like something's not right M you're not answering the phone all

Miss Exquisiteright let me go see what's up so mind you we've been dating for 4 years this is my longest relationship and I've been to his house many times so I know where he keeps the spare key you know what I'm saying I know the PIN to the garage I

Miss Exquisiteknow how to get inside find the [ __ ] pen put a pin in I see the garage door going up so I'm like I need to be fast cuz if he hears the garage door going up he's going to know something's up his parents

Miss Exquisiteare out of town and everything so he's the only one supposed to be home I roll under the garage like I literally get on the ground and I roll so I roll under the

Miss Exquisitedoor run over that's like you know how many memes are coming from that I'm so serious if I'm I'm telling

Miss ExquisiteI'm dying y don't understand but no seriously I rolled under the garage door and I ran over to where he had a watering can where the key was underneath takes the key from underneath the watering can and I open the garage

Miss Exquisitedoor so now I'm like I got to be fast cuz he's going to hear everything all the alarms are going off I run up the stairs and I hear a loud noise it's like a banging noise so they slam the door so I'm like so I go up the stairs and I see

TTS/Donationsthe girl trying to creep out the door so I'm like who's that incest mountain goat donated

TTS/Donations$669 ask Mountain girl if she's in bread she look hella confused trog as bomber clot look like an Area 51 mountain goat

TTS/DonationsP oh har is like an Iranian Sasquatch till her brother wax it # patriarchy girl who is the am I the

Malikmountain girl yeah yeah you're the mountain mountain I don't even know what you're trying to say but yeah long story short um wait do wait before yeah

Malikcuz you're from the Appalachian Mountains right I mean that's where I live now I'm originally from Florida um okay wait you hold on you moved from

MalikFlorida to the appalation my my parents did I was a child yeah oh okay I cheaper living yeah it's in quieter living okay

Brian Atlasthe question was am I inbred wases CH no do you want he's okay if he want to respond that was crazy that's your respon what else is there to respond to he's shooting shots you want to you

Malikgoing to shoot back or what was the end of it I didn't remember I was you don't want to read that you don't want to that was pretty bad Jesus bring it on all

Miss Exquisiteright okay going back to I long story short I ended up getting upstairs and he locked himself in his room and she tried to leave but I wouldn't let her leave because I'm like who who are

Miss Exquisiteyou and why are you here and she wasn't trying to answer my questions and I'm like okay well if you don't want to leave and he's not going to come out the room I'm just going to go outside and bash your windows but I didn't do that I didn't do that I didn't go to Jae that

Miss Exquisiteday okay but that's it that's one of my crazier dating stories kind of why I don't deal with men now cuz they're weird and they lie about stupid okay you also said we already kind of talked about this you say though your outlook

Brian Atlason how doing porn won't affect your future as far as dating maintaining relationships family friends partners and also future careers so you're saying that uh how you doing adult content not

Brian Atlasgoing to have any impact on future careers and on dating in for in family for me you don't think it's going to have any impact on dating okay no I mean I mean I'm not dating right now well you

Brian Atlasat least per perhaps the guy that you want won't have an issue with it but do you at least acknowledge those of you who do adult content that it is going to

Brian Atlasclose the door for maybe you don't want these men but it will close the door for a good amount of men absolutely Absolut definitely agree with that okay but that

Brian Atlasdoesn't affect me sure you said as far as dating it doesn't don't my entire mindset is to keep things simple until it's time to make them complicated I feel like everyone should be dating multiple people until they feel

Brian Atlascomfortable with settling down with their soulmate yes and I think we had a bit of a back and forth on that but so your position is basically like at the beginning you just date multiple people see what you like and if you want settle

Miss Exquisitedown date for fun pick one um question are you are you currently dating anybody um anybody I wouldn't call it dating we have a very good understanding and a very strong

Brian Atlasfriendship I wouldn't call it dating friends benefit you're you're not okay you there's a guy you're seeing but it's not monogamous yeah it's not monogamous uh how many people have you dated that at the same time cuz you say you should

Miss Exquisitedate multiple people so what's like the most have you had a roster the most I've dated at the same time is three but I have had like a roster of men where I like may talk to

Brian Atlasfrom time to time go on dates here and there how big is the roster could be about 9 10 9 to 10 I'm not I'm not I'm not having sex with all of them though that's the difference but you you

Brian Atlasat you have a roster so 9 to 10 um I do have a roster I'm going to open this that question to the entire panel here um what's the most amount of people

Brian Atlasyou've dated at the same time so roster I was it on me when Madison answered

The Goblerokay one okay um probably three at the most three dated at the same time yeah but not like having sex with them at the same time but just what about roster

The Goblerwhat's the biggest roster you've had um I don't men annoy some men annoy me a lot so I prefer to keep it low you know and my favorites like my sub right now he my

Brian Atlasfavorite so that's who I tght to really well not just at anyse not currently how big is the roster but like at what's the biggest it's ever been yeah like three cuz I just don't want to deal with a

Annie Charlottebunch yeah uh so like I wasn't dating them but I I I was sleeping with them what yeah what's uh how many seven one for every day of the week but

Annie CharlotteI didn't always do that [ __ ] disgusting

Annie Charlottein you hold on you were sleeping with yeah but it was over a space of like a large period of time like I just rotate between the question is how many like how many people have you dated at

Annie Charlottethe same time well I've I haven't the only people I've ever dated consecutively are two people I'm seeing at the moment but like slept with and like continually slept with over sorry

Annie Charlottecontinually slept with over like six months I'd say no yeah did I say 7 I don't know 709 excuse me I just like SE okay all right U what

Brian Atlasyou said one for every day of the week now now nine so wait sleeping with how many at the same time let's say in a month period have you ever slept with more

Annie Charlottethan two men in a 24-hour period no you said you have two boyfriends right now yeah but I wouldn't do that to them okay is it 36 hours is cut off yeah 36 hours is the exact okay all right no

Annie Charlottebut so what about the roster yeah so is the roster bigger than the nine or whatever you said it's it's

Annie Charlotteit's got I I'm trying to count um a quite a few at the same time it was uni everyone has loads of sex at University don't

Annie Charlottethey no okay you look on the face say no all right I just uni wrong but uh yeah were you doing uni that was oh that's that's another time I've had a few rosters at a few different times and they've been quite

TTS/Donationslarge JC Brown donated $100 traditional guy here I stopped dating and trying because 304s run randant Malik Madison and Alexis you are

TTS/Donationsa breath of fresh air for traditional men thank you for being genuine respectful ladies oh there we go a nice message what did I

The Goblerdo like she literally never mind you guys but I just think it's the Jes Christ my

Annie Charlotteearsing you guys don't want to say anything to all right just gave you a it's just like a backhanded compliment though wasn't it um not to them to us but they weren't talking to us they were

Brian Atlastalking to breath ofure pretty compliment yeah it's F it's fun okay wait not breathing right oh we were going around the table uh how many people have you dated at the same time

Malikdo you have have you had a roster no and one no like I said before I only talk to one guy at a time I think it's no I

Brian Atlascan't do more than one yeah one okay all right okay so

Miss Exquisiteyou've had a roster 10 I've had a roster all right okay I mean I was young I was dating all right having fun yeah 19 like what the

Brian Atlashell last thing here you said the world is in such a rush to find love or that one person they've been searching for and it makes things very complicated because now people are being held to certain expectations that they may or

Brian Atlasmay not be ready for um and I think we talked about it yes we do uh wait hold on uh you think there's too many

Brian Atlasexpectations yes do you think so for example what I said earlier my expectation of be properly single when you meet me don't be dating other men don't be sleeping with other men do you think that that's like a burdensome

Miss Exquisiteexpectation that I'm placing on women that is the biggest expectation probably going to be your biggest let down let because it's just it doesn't make sense for you to assume that somebody's going to do that assume what what do you mean

Miss Exquisitewhen you meet someone and you think about dating them that they're going to drop whoever they are already talking to dating dealing with what for you whether why is that unreasonable yeah why is it

Miss Exquisiteunreasonable because you don't just I mean me I personally am not going to cut off whatever else I have going on just

Miss Exquisitebecause I met you like right you yeah you're I'm I'm I'm speaking for myself am I not speaking for myself well I mean in this case when you're talking about

Miss Exquisitewhat's unreasonable right is it unreasonable for for Brian to have that standard um yeah kind of but only if it's with you right not really I just

Miss Exquisitefeel like it doesn't make sense for you to just assume that somebody would do that just because you just met them everybody not the same no well that's what you're expecting it's not me what

Brian AtlasI'm assuming it's if you want to keep seeing me you got to sit first off you don't I don't want guys to be in the picture from the beginning right but if

Miss Exquisitelook well you also changed what you said too at first you said they have to completely stopped talking to or dealing with whoever they were dealing with when they met you then you said oh well I'm

Miss Exquisitegoing to give them that that that one grace period but first then if you want to see me for the second date then you have to cut off all those other people that's what you said well there's okay

Brian Atlasso here's the most ideal scenario okay well I mean the most ideal scenario would be she's a billionaire ays and a 10 out of 10 and she's a virgin and BLM

Brian Atlasuh but uh so but okay the most ideal situation is going in she's been she's not been recently encumbered with any sort of

Brian Atlasrelationship or boyfriend she's been single for a decent period of time she's not currently sleeping with somebody she's not dating anybody else she's properly sing ofir thank you I'm so glad

TTS/DonationsI'm not I live in EAS Washington almost in the Border he smoke I stepped outside and smelled sloppy rotten clown J once I

TTS/Donationstuned into what ever realized why red head okay LOL just cuz you can't get it He's a brave and a decent man he's a

Brian AtlasPioneer okay please don't please don't be mean to I'm so glad I'm not dating I'm just kidding like what uh okay uh there the

Brian Atlasreason he ain't dating so it would be suboptimal for me to like have to give somebody leeway but look it's it's like if she's a great girl and she went on she wasn't sleeping with the

Brian Atlasguy that's 100% a deal breaker but if she was on another date with a guy recently or you know that might I might give leeway there but if she's sleeping

Malikwith a guy it's a 100% no-o goodbye back to the streets you go I don't think that's unreasonable because she thinks it's unreasonable I'm a woman and if I was seeing a man and

Malikhe's going on dates with other women are sleeping with other women I would not continue talking to him but you're dating for long term that's why you feel that way I believe he is as well he's not looking for is that correct R yeah

Miss ExquisiteI'm not interested I am not interested in one night stands or casual sex I'm interested in okay so then that changes my whole perspective cuz I'm speaking on what you ask me about even if I was interested in casual sex I wouldn't I

Brian Atlaswould still be unattracted to a woman who in re in who has recently had sexual intercourse with another man or is having sexual intercourse with another man or in between our casual encounters

Miss Exquisiteis going to have casual encounters with another man but that makes no sense if you're just look you're looking for just that oh it's still just like disgusting gross you then claim yourself to be disgusting because you're looking

Brian Atlasfor that you're looking for casual well even if I was just having wanted casual sex just with her yeah but even if I just wanted to have sex which I'm not inclined to have it's not it doesn't interest like cuz a lot it's actually

Brian Atlasinteresting on wait Andrew wasn't here uh two shows ago we had a girl who's like she's kind of probably just putting on like a little show or an act but she was she was hitting on me and she's like

Brian Atlasoh I want to hit it I'm like f okay first off she's putting on uh a little show but uh I turned her down a lot of people in their chat were oh well if the cameras weren't running like Brian would

Brian Atlasprobably hit it and it's like no I wouldn't and well part of it was she's had sex on camera and her body count was over a hundred so even for casual sex

Brian Atlaseven though she's she's okay looking she's her friend you know oh that's your friend Lily yeah yeah look she's probably doing something for the cameras but people in the comments were like

Brian Atlaswhat she Brian would probably behind the scenes Brian is still trying to smash no I'm not I don't want to [ __ ] a girl one time who's I'm not just point blank

Brian Atlasperiod but then add on top that she does porn there's there's videos of her [ __ ] other dudes on the internet uh she's got a high body count I'm not about it I do want to bring up something

MalikBrian if I could earlier we were kind of joking but we joked about ndas and you made a comment should I start having women sign ndas but you just stated that

Brian Atlasyou don't do casual hookups or casual relationships no but I could I could be dating a girl and if we break up that could still she could still choose to

Brian Atlaslike publicly talk about me so an NDA would protect me in the event of casual sex or in the event of a long-term relationship okay I was just wondering on that yeah yeah no I'm not

Miss Exquisiteyeah but I'm I'm unreasonable according to you I mean I just before you further explained the whole lant situation yeah I did think that what you said was

Miss Exquisiteunreasonable for you to just meet someone and say okay I'm going to start dating them and then just expect them to not be dating well I want to the the most Optimum situation is she's properly

Brian Atlassingle when she meets me so there's no need for me to give her leeway she's not going on dates with other men she's not currently sleeping with another man it's been months or longer the last time she dated a guy or slept with a guy that's

Brian Atlasthe most Optimum situation you've come to me properly single and uh how are you meeting these ladies how do you know that they not that girl ain't going to be on the dating app I can tell you that

Annie Charlottemuch but yeah I'm just wondering where they like are we like bumping into me organically yeah like but how walking in the store like don't nobody talk to you when you go to the grass the gas station

The Gobleror what grocer St oh they slide into the DMS obviously I mean that too but you still get organic when you walking around people still I would think that

Brian Atlascuz you're pretty F A thanks but no I had someone cat call me outside of um 7-Eleven actually that was nice and again just like to bring it back men if you're watching bare minimum bare

Brian Atlasminimum you don't have to go to the extent that I go you don't have to date women who are sleeping with other men please let that be your bare minimum standard do not

Brian Atlaseven go on a first date and I don't recommend even having C CU some of these guys out here are saying well if she's hone around then I'm going to she's recreational use only no she's she's

Brian Atlasshe's nothing to you you shouldn't even have casual sex with a woman who's [ __ ] other dudes trust me dudes it ain't it ain't worth it trust me so uh your bare minimum even if you're out

Miss Exquisitethere for casual sex gentlemen I don't know it just you're trying hard to convince other people of how to think and how to move and it doesn't work like that because I'm a thought leader but you can't change how people think off of

Brian Atlasone opinion it doesn't work I a I'm the Trailblazer here and I'm [ __ ] I'm I'm doing uh trailblazing I'm trailblazing yes I'm a a thought leader and listen

Brian Atlasgentlemen bare minimum nothing not even casual sex with the girl who [ __ ] other men you'll thank me you'll thank me gentlemen you'll thank me for it okay do you run

Brian Atlasinto the um the feeder thing what is what is that milkers you mean milkers what is what is that the the feeders they like want they pay to

Miss Exquisiteeat they want you to be to get oh no I've never come across any yet people actually I just feel like they will one day here we have uh yeah I mean that's a

Andrew Wilsonphenomenon that I didn't even know existed and

Brian Atlasokay uh Alexis you said mostly about the way this generation you want to talk about how the mostly about the way this generation is girlfriends of mine who accept so much less do you care to

Alexis Wilkinselaborate on on that I mean I think we've kind of covered it and we're a little bit off topic there like you know with what else we were talking

Alexis Wilkinsabout wait off topic what do you mean with we if we were continuing the conversation I just felt like it moved in a different direction I don't know

TTS/Donationsthat my prompt was enough to pick it up um I'm so glad in not dating donated

TTS/Donations$100 LOL happily married two kids one on the way successful business my own property's have to worry about watch

The GoblerButler's weekly prescription is going to be after intercourse like you smiley face so why are you telling us all your your rundown though if you want us

Brian AtlasButler by the way Jay Butler's been here for like 30 consecutive shows all of where's the herpes talk um you already

Annie Charlottehad it I guess so um someone is deeply offended why me having a sex life and I'm so sorry about that it's okay don't

Brian Atlasworry uh Alexis I've I had my back and forth with her I'm now getting to your notes here and so I'm shifting gears yeah yeah so you stated in your pre-show

Alexis Wilkinsnotes girlfriends of mine who accept so much less forgive me if you did you talk about you already talked about that um okay so what I meant in my pre-show notes I guess is it's it's um I

Alexis Wilkinsguess it was part of a broader I thought it would be part of a broader conversation but I guess my main point is that kind of returning to the traditional conversation in what girls

Alexis Wilkinswho want to follow a tradition path think they I think realign with what guys are willing to give especially in this generation um because of

Alexis Wilkinsnon-traditional Lifestyles and because of um I think what they've been made to accept is uh mhm is really my

Annie Charlottepoint yeah I'd say like obviously not from me because I don't live the traditional lifestyle which we have decided um but I do have have loads of friends who have put up and even before I got into this job actually when I did

Annie Charlottelive the traditional lifestyle at University and all that kind of stuff people do just kind of almost like want to be with somebody and they'll take it and get treated really badly and I think that is like something that you it's sad

Annie Charlottewhen you see your like best friends go through that because you're like you're so much better you're so much more worth that than how they're treating you and I feel like some men just don't do it right well and I think that it's you I

Alexis Wilkinsthink it's I think it's on both sides I think that you know I see a lot of women not wanting to you know they kind of go out I just don't want to be lonely like I'd rather be with someone that be lonely and I think that ultimately this

Alexis Wilkinscreates a settling culture and then people see you know social media we have so much at our fingertips uh we were not supposed to access this many people we were supposed to be part of much smaller

Alexis Wilkinsgroups and I think that it's changed the way that people look at things people are statistically have never been lonelier I really don't feel like women's standards are too low got to be honest with you no I feel like some are

Andrew Wilsonvery high but I feel hold no no no no hold on this is for Alexis to respond to oh sorry yeah I just don't feel like women's standards are too low if they're settling they're probably actually not

Andrew Wilsonsettling they probably get generally probably getting somebody who's equally yolked with them generally that's that's what I would that's been my observation I I I get

Alexis Wilkinswhat you're saying and I tend to agree in some part I think that people do get what they set out for and what they you know as I said it's reciprocal but I also think that girls might be giving a lot or

Alexis Wilkinsthink that they're giving a lot or live their life a certain way and then they accept something that's much less than that well elaborate on that I think people you know I know girls who live a very traditional life and they want to

Alexis Wilkinsyou know give everything to their boyfriends and you know be very faithful and have a lot of integrity and uh be very trustworthy and I can't say the same about their boyfriends and that's

Andrew Wilsonwhere are all those women off of the internet yeah well I mean I mean honestly like where where are all those women because right now what you're talking about there's guys out there who are watching this who

Alexis Wilkinswould pay you whatever you wanted in order to go to wherever these women are that you're talking about well that's the thing and then maybe that's the disparity they're not on dating apps they're not really on social media they

Alexis Wilkinshave like social media because they had it in college it's just you know that's that's kind of the thing what what's easily acceptable what's on you know readily available on YouTube or only

Alexis Wilkinsfans or whatever pod you know it's not necessarily you're you're getting a hand selection of people who may be that that's not what you're seeing which I understand I'm not disagreeing with you

MadisonI do think those women exist but I do think that a majority of them just get brainwashed by their friends telling them that they don't need a man anymore that doesn't give you what you want so they just play into this like yeah I

Andrew Wilsondon't know I don't I don't know if I agree on the the whole standards too low for for women they just have such low stand it seems to be the opposite of here's the thing I'm I'm a big advoc

Alexis Wilkinsadvocate for guys I'm not knocking what guys are doing I'm not like a I'm the last person to carry the Pitchfork on that it's more just I think it's a I think it's a generational problem where

Alexis Wilkinsit it perpetuates the issue you see women settling for Less nice guys think that there's a and I'm not saying it starts there I'm saying it's a circle you know it starts the nice guy Trope of you know oh like there's no nice guys

Alexis Wilkinsout there and then nice guys think they finish last and then there's just I just feel like there's a lot there being encouraged within the generation I mean

Alexis WilkinsI I I think so I see it a lot we do man on the streets we talk to people we talk about dating apps a lot it's it's kind of what you find out there I still don't know what you're finding

Andrew Wilsonout there I'm like I'm honestly I'm still confused what is it that you're finding that that there's women who are giving too much of themselves to men or being too fa I don't I don't actually

Alexis Wilkinsunderstand I I guess what I'm saying is the way that the generation is sets up how both of the genders um are perceived and I'm also going off of something that

Alexis Wilkinswasn't a prompt um we kind of had a back and forth and I have been my show notes were very brief and so I'm I'm kind of explaining something that I

Alexis Wilkinsthought would be um a broader conversation and so I'm not not really sure okay I get where I get where you're coming from there I'm not dissing guys I think that guys often are the are the

Annie Charlottewinners in the situation I think there are a lot of good guys out there who do feel as though they they can't find um I think you're right it's like a vice versa like guys go out there like girls go out there looking for someone they can't find this the high standards

Annie Charlottethey've set so they lower them in order to get into a relationship it's a never ending cycle and then there's guys that go out there and they're like I really like they're looking for their traditional woman they kind of can't find her so they find like a less traditional woman and that makes them

Alexis Wilkinssad too yeah and the internet I mean transparently is very sexualized so I think guys think that they need to be doing more girls think that they need to be doing more they keep one uping each other until everyone thinks everyone's

Brian Atlaskinky and it might just all be more normal than we think but everyone's you it's it's it's perpet Ed by social media on the standards thing really quick Nick can you pull up in the Dropbox podcast

Brian Atlasinfographics folder it's the hypergamy uh infographics and Alexis to tie this back to the rating 1 to1 question which you

Brian Atlaschose to admit answering to um kind of how this is potentially tied in into that is that you have cuz you're saying that well women are lowering their

Brian Atlasstandards or they have low standards for men but but I actually think that women have way too high standards like I don't think it's an

Alexis Wilkinsissue of men having these crazy high standards and women having really low standards I mean I agree with you I I completely agree I was the one arguing reciprocity earlier and normally

Brian Atlasstanding up for guys I think I was given an out of context prompt and nothing to go off of wait so are you because these were you provided that in your pre-show notes

Brian Atlasso I'm just going off of what you had you had written you mentioned you know your girlfriends were uh I guess kind of uh wait let me see I want to misquote

Brian Atlashere but you know you said your girlfriends of mine who accept so much less uh so uh it just occurs to me for

Brian Atlasexample with the rating scale of the 1 to 10 thing is you know a lot of women are kind of have an overin inflated sense of self of their own uh

Brian Atlasattractiveness or value in the dating Marketplace not their human value but their value in the dating Marketplace and so they're have they have an expectation of partnering with a man who

Brian Atlasquite frankly is out of their league and that's why the actual the question of asking someone to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10 is actually very important because if you don't have an accurate self assessment of where you potentially stand or do stand in the

Brian Atlasdating Marketplace then you're going to be shooting outside of your league and this is where women get into trouble because as a man if I try to have casual sex if I you know if I shoot my shot with a woman who's outside my league hey

Brian Atlaslet's have casual sex not that's not verbatim how I would go about it but that's that's my angle I get instant upfront rejection I don't get a conversation with a girl who's out of my league I don't get a

Brian Atlasdate with a girl who's outside my league I certainly don't get sex with a girl who's outside my league now here's where women get into trouble as women men will welcome easy access to sex so

Brian Atlasas a woman you can secure sex from men who are outside of your league it can be looks it could be success it could be socioeconomic status whatever it may be

Brian Atlasyou can have a normal woman who's never achieved anything in her life having sex with a man who's at the Apex of either

Brian Atlaslooks status he could be a professional NBA player NFL player etc etc she could be no offense I'm not making a judgment call on here but she's a nobody right a nobody girl can go and sleep with an NFL

Brian AtlasNBA player famous rapper Drake Drake probably [ __ ] a bunch of nobody women no offense to them they're probably

Brian Atlasbeautiful but nobody status so now but they'll never those women who can sleep with men outside their league are never most likely going to be able to secure

Brian Atlascommitment from those men so what ends up happening is you have women who they think they're here for women your league is not the men that you can sleep with your league is the men that

Annie Charlotteyou can get commitment from and who will marry you I wish I'd known that when I was like 14 15 16 17 when I started like un

Annie Charlottelike having sex because Jesus Christ that made a lot more sense why I never got boyfriends well look everybody wants the best that they can get so obviously you

Brian Atlaswant to get the the hot guy but here's the problem that hot guy oh she okay cool I can use her for sex and so again that's that's the way a lot of women get

Brian Atlasinto trouble and here's the difference right so as a guy if we can sleep with a girl we can probably get that girl in a relationship but if a as a woman if you can sleep with a

Brian Atlasman it's not clear to me if you can get him into a relationship so and and also we'll sleep with women and just using as

Brian Atlasa disqualifier just based on looks just your looks we will 100% disqualify you from a relationship but we won't disqualify you from a sexual relationship whereas for women it's the

Brian Atlasopposite so for women for you to sleep with a man to have sex with a man he typically has to be at least attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him so that's a big differential that's

Brian Atlaswhere women get into trouble and that's why rating questions important because if you don't have a good sense of where you where you stand you're going to be aiming for guys outside of your league

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to get used and um I also think that women tend to rate themselves off of self-esteem rather than off of physical looks yeah this is what I've

Andrew Wilsonnoticed many times is like obviously there's women who I've seen in this show who have given ridiculous numbers in comparison to how they look and when I ask them why

Andrew Wilsonthey basically say it's because for me it's self-esteem what I'm telling you is the personification of how I feel about me it's my self-esteem that's not really what the

The Goblerquestion's asking though but you say he acts how do you how do you feel about you like what do you rate yourself that's what he asked me he didn't say when he asked me clearly what if I took you to such and such how would they rate

Brian Atlasyou clearly they're going to rate me lower than what I think of me so I'm not Sig you're a 10 I think sigap would yeah I'm not going to I'm not going to

The Goblerum the fraternity she was talking about the Frat oh no I'm not going to um be delusional and be like hey you know everybody thinks I'm this or that and then also it's for the people who are

The Goblerlooking for those type of relationships it's some people who are actually fine with not doing that being in a relationship for me the reason why I don't want to be in a relationship I'm going tell you is because working uh

The Goblerwith the elderly the people who did have husbands and wives together somebody dies you know first and you are even though you're not hurt right now that person is hurt free until they die some

Andrew Wilsonof them even died from heart heart a but you know this right because uh you know my mom she was a she was do in she was direct nursing and Elder Elder Care her whole life okay and um you know the the

Andrew Wilsonmen don't last long no they don't women though last forever don't they you're going to be they just keep going and going and going gu like oh I'm hot broke and he dies no but the women

The Goblerdo too though the women my my not the same as the men yes I'm tell Nick do you have the chart one of the women is it you want hypergamy hypergamy h two three

Brian Atlasand four oh there's multiple and let me just double check on that I thought there were oh you're right uh there are different ones um so on the left you

Brian Atlashave who men would happily partner with and then you have whom women would happily partner with and this is played out on dating apps so you basically have all women the majority of women who are

Brian Atlasall chasing after the top percentage of men on dating apps it's something like an uh an estimated 10% of men on dating apps are being pursued by the

Brian Atlasoverwhelming majority of women most of whom are trying to date well above what their own looks prospects and personalities warrant

The Goblerso damn yeah I mean hey that's for them me personally it's a different story for me because I have such a high following so I have a lot of guys who come to me I don't have

The Goblerto go searching for nobody I don't I don't have to get to on a dating app I don't have to do none of that because they're going to come they're going to inbox me they're going to want me I just don't want them in that way

The Goblerbecause I totally agree with you what you guys are saying like if you feel that way I don't want you to be in my circle if you feel like I'm disgusting why would I be want to be with you why would I want you to I didn't say I

Brian Atlasdidn't say you did say that you said what you do is disgusting what hold no don't put words in my mouth did you did but no no no no no no yes she did I I'm fairly confident I didn't

Andrew Wilsonsay you guys are disgusting no she said what you you said what we do we do no I don't think I said that you were talking about the the he was talking specifically hang on I'm not I'm really not gaslighting you I remember the

Andrew Wilsonconversation well we could watch it back later on yeah but what he's he was talking about is dating standards and he said if you're having sex with another uh guy we're talking about the people who do porn he was saying people

The Goblerwho do porn should not deal with us because we have sex with multiple people and he feels it's disgusting that's what he said wait no that was him oh I mean I

Brian Atlasdid use the word okay here's what I'm said pretty sure no no no no no no no no no no the okay look we've had a long conversation it's been a long day I'm

Brian Atlaspretty certain what I said was the thought of me sleeping with a woman who's sleeping with other men is disgusting that's what I heard that's the way I typically frame my argument

Brian Atlasmaybe I heard it wrong maybe we'd have to go back but yes uh the the thought of having sex or dating a woman who's sleeping with other men yes that is I'm

The Goblersorry it's disgusting that's okay for you you don't have to be sorry because you feel that way and it's it's okay to feel that way that is disgusting to you because that's your perspective and that's what you like so you you sleeping

Brian Atlaswith men is not disgusting but if I was dating a woman and she was sleeping with other men while I was having sex with her yes that's disgusting right and you are all [ __ ] disgusting you should have you should be able to express

The Gobleryourself that way and feel that way because that's the person you're going to be with you feel what I'm saying I feel it I've already listen my porn is already out there there's never going to change that I haven't had my porn out

Brian Atlasthere so I just have to go with what it is like I'm to set myself up for stupid exactly like it is look you'll find the there's there's guys out there that are fine with it it's fine it's

Brian Atlasfine literally is what I'm trying to say women don't want to date me cuz I'm got a podcast it's fine I get it I accept it I accept it you should see my DMs

Brian Atlasholy [ __ ] they don't like the podcast all right question for you though you mind would you be friend wait what's that

Annie CharlotteNick no it's okay would you be friends like close friends with a p

Annie Charlottesta um would I be if I would be uh like a like a like a actual prop proper friend you know like somebody you go for drinks with

Brian Atlasno that wow I could have a professional relationship with with the woman who uh you know I invite them on my show some of and some of them I invite back on and

Brian Atlasand I have a courteous professional working relationship with them um I mean I I'm typically friendship though right I'm typically not friends and honestly

Brian AtlasI'm a bit of a lone wolf so my my friend's circle is already very insulated and small to begin with I'mma Be honest I mean I'm not really uh I

Annie Charlottedon't I don't have any female friends Fair no that's fair I was just curious like would you though say if like would I yeah like if you got on with them really well and they were just I feel

Brian Atlaslike we would there's such a difference I or you met like play of Warcraft and then like a found out she I don't I don't play any video games but um if I I

Brian Atlasused to uh but I quit uh is it it's possible I could be friends with a woman but like you have to understand how much of a lone woman wolf I am like and I'm

Brian Atlasso busy like I don't even have a lot of time for male friends so um is it possible so it's like it's like maybe is it

Brian Atlasnot I could be friends with a woman I could I don't have any but I could it would probably the thing is is that when it comes to uh uh friendships with the

Brian Atlasopposite sex there is when it comes to when you eventually have a long-term Rel relationship there is some degree of impropriety uh I think no there's always a complication isn't there like some

Brian Atlaspeople like there's always going to be a me one of the party there's either but like to me for example let let's say I I genuinely wanted to be platonic friends

Brian Atlaswith a woman but I know that she could in the future meet a man who is going to say you can't be friends with this person so why would I invest and develop

Brian Atlasa friendship where there's a very good likelihood that if she gets romantically involved with a man or marries a man he's going to view our friendship

Brian Atlasas uh Troublesome or problematic and that's going to be the destruction of our friendship so why even bother building one now listen I I think I can have female acquaintances and

Brian Atlasprofessional relationships with with women but um like for example if I was dating a girl and she had a male best friend and I'm trying to take her serious I'm like you can't be hanging

Brian Atlasout alone with that dude oh you can't hang out alone with that guy oh interesting you can't be friends with your

Brian Atlasexes yeah that's a that's a so that's a it's it's this impropriety so uh soes no thanks look and maybe I'm friends with a

Brian Atlaswoman and her boyfriend or husband doesn't have issue with our friendship it's possible but why again why would I want to invest time and energy into developing a friendship with someone where it's like she could meet a dude

Brian Atlasand the dude's like yo the [ __ ] you can't be like friends with this person so yeah yeah yeah interesting yeah but I'll be friendly with I would be friendly with

Annie Charlotteuh you know yeah treat him like a coworker yeah a coworker well I feel like as well when you get into like so much Social Media stuff you actually don't really have time for anything else other than just like associations through like business and like

Brian Atlasnetworking there's no yeah I'm too busy anyways okay um let's see here we got uh sorry I'm sorry I'm going to [ __ ] up

Brian Atlasyour name Malik Malik Malik okay you said you're uh conservative moderate you said you once went on a date with a guy who used to have a crush

Malikon your older sister do you want to tell us the story on that quick um that I don't I haven't had any crazy date experiences um that was just an awkward one I thought of um yeah a guy asked me

Malikout on a date um it was really awkward he went on a rant about how he used to have a crush on my older sister I informed him she's now engaged um and it

Malikjust it it wasn't good and we then proceed to hang out for like another 5 six hours and just went downhill the entire okay uh you said another guy

Malikasked you out to a movie what was the awkward movie story so I went to his house we drove there together in his car um this was was an hour away from where I lived um during

Malikthe credits I don't know he just got upset um and left like left the theater we were the only ones there um drove off and I ended up calling his sister to

Malikpick me up oh wow oh oh cuz I was stranded there at night was it the first date um no it was like a third or fourth date I think um it was was good before

Malikthe not really um wait well why did you keep going on dates then I don't know I he I wanted to believe he was a good person because there wasn't necessarily

Malikanything wrong with him as a person he was just very immature um okay and I kind of want to give him a chance but I think he made a comment like oh see if you can find my last name in the credits

Malikand I replied oh that's boring and he just stormed off like wait wait hold on hold on there's the the story develops so he was in the movie Yes we watched

Malikthe whole movie and so he was he was not an actor we were sitting at the theater and oh but he was he he was credited in the film no when the credits were playing he said see if you can find like

Malikhe had a common last name he say see if you can find my last name and I said that's boring and he got really triggered by me finding that to be boring which it was so he wasn't actually in the credits but he had a

Brian Atlascommon last name and it was like oh let's play a game of let's see if we can find our name but who sticks around for the credits anyway likeit the end the little bit the end

Malikit's over just get up and leave start rolling oh okay okay he left and he stormed out he dropped how did you say it so okay how did you say that's boring I just like that's boring

Brian AtlasI don't know I probably left he probably wanted to be like I think guys want to be viewed kind oh I don't know if this is the right phrasing but mhm he wants to be viewed as like

Brian Atlasthe superhero in your life and I know that's that's a bit of an exaggeration but like he probably didn't feel respected in that moment granted like he kind he kind of sounds like a [ __ ] like

Brian Atlasroll with the punches a little bit but maybe you like said it in a kind of like men want to feel respected right and you could have probably

Malikuh obliged him I guess I guess but we were just B but he's also kind of a [ __ ] I yeah it was I I don't I I think any respectable man and he left he like

Alexis Wilkinshe left you an hour away from your house right drove off left um yeah a little big p whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa say that what are you talking about big p energy but you're saying that

Brian Atlassarcastically like he's got Little D energy is that yeah wait hold on first off I don't know if LP is in the chat I object to these terms Big D energy and

Brian Atlaslittle DG offend it's funny though but here let me uh let me let me make my case here let me make my argument so if it's okay to use the

Brian Atlasterms Big D energy or more specifically Little D energy well it should also be okay to say loose [ __ ] energy I knew you were going uh small titty energy I'm I'm

Brian Atlasactually a fan of small titties but that's not dumb skank energy that's my favorite one cavernous cavernous vag energy stinky [ __ ] energy wow if it's okay to

The Gobleryou know use this ter little little de energy we should also be okay with yeah didn't have a issue with yall calling us loose earlier definitely called us loose

Brian Atlasso I got beend I don't know if it was you somebody said loose not loose [ __ ] just like loose but that's what what is loose then what what is loose loose with your morals oh okay I'll take that I'll

Brian Atlastake okay all right what's up what's up let's go let's go all you know I don't think uh but we didn't get offended okay well

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