Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate! She Has 2 Vs? TRAD OF GIRL? VlRGlN Tatted Club Girl? | Dating Talk #137

Date: 2024-02-21

Duration: 6h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMiss Exquisite >

MMadison (DT137)>

AAnnie Charlotte >

MMalik (DT137)>

AAlexis Wilkins >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05The Gobler(guest)

SPEAKER_06Miss Exquisite(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alexis Wilkins(guest)

SPEAKER_10Malik(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Annie Charlotte(guest)

SPEAKER_14Crow(guest)

Key Moments

IntroThe Gobler introduces herself as an adult film star who is also a licensed practical nurse, keeping her real name private to protect her nursing career.

“I'm from upstate New York um and I'm 30 years old and that's about it oh oh I'm a adult film star sorry”

IntroAnnie Charlotte reveals she has uterus didelphys: two vaginas, two cervixes, two uteruses. Currently has two boyfriends, one for each side.

“I'm Annie Charlotte I'm from London um and I'm an only fans model with two vaginas”

ControversyAnnie Charlotte debates Brian on STD testing practices in UK OnlyFans industry vs US mainstream porn, challenging his characterization of the risks.

“we have to get tested every 14 days”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Annie Charlotte: she cannot articulate a philosophical reason why men and women ought to be equal, despite writing a dissertation on Aristotle and feminism.

“I don't sorry I don't know I wish I knew why we weren't equal”

OtherCrow recounts being escorted into a locked basement by her boyfriend's family (cult-like) on their fourth date and coerced into having sex while the entire family watched. She complied out of fear for her safety.

“I saw the mom lock and chain the door I'm like oh boy”

ControversyBrian and Andrew debate abortion with Annie Charlotte. Annie argues life begins at brain function. Andrew shows she cannot consistently apply this principle (SA victim at 6 weeks).

“you just advocated it's okay to murder a kid”

ControversyMiss Exquisite challenges Brian's dating standards as unreasonable, saying you cannot expect someone you just met to immediately cut off everyone else.

“it doesn't make sense for you to assume that somebody's going to do that”

QuoteBrian makes extended World of Warcraft analogy about dating standards, comparing an ideal low-body-count woman to 'best in slot' loot.

“if I'm if I'm on my rogue right like I definitely want preditions blade from rag”

QuoteMalik tweets read on air: 'a lot of people fail to recognize the fact that if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive'.

“if men today were stronger smarter and more dominant any woman would be submissive”

OtherMiss Exquisite discloses estimated body count of ~250 (stopped counting after losing track; guesses 150-300).

“maybe between like 150 200 maybe 250 maybe 300 maybe”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian asks relationship status. Annie Charlotte reveals uterus didelphys condition and two boyfriends.

Reaction video: tatted virgin club girls

Panel reacts to man-on-street video of two Miami women who claim to be virgins. Debate on whether they are lying, body language analysis, whether tattoos/clubbing lifestyle implies sexual activity.

Shawn Evans and dating porn stars

Discussion of athlete Shawn Evans who reportedly broke up with porn star girlfriend. Brian argues men should not date women in sex work for practical, reputational, and STD reasons. Women in adult industry defend their practices and STD testing regimens.

Body count and female value

Extended discussion of whether body count affects partner value. Andrew argues it lowers female value more than male. Brian advocates men avoid even casual sex with women who have high body counts or are seeing other men. Gobler discusses cuck/stag psychology.

OnlyFans relationships and cheating

Debate on whether sex work constitutes cheating if partner is aware. Brian reads Miss Exquisite's explicit promotional tweets. Andrew poses hypothetical about calling partner before each sex act on set.

Annie Charlotte's philosophy dissertation and feminism debate

Annie Charlotte discusses her BA dissertation arguing Aristotle was a feminist. Andrew challenges her on why men and women ought to be equal. Extended debate on definition and justification of feminism, WNBA pay, wage gap.

Crow's cult family story

Crow recounts story of being coerced into having sex in front of boyfriend's entire family (parents, grandparents) in a locked basement on fourth date. Described as cult-like initiation ritual.

Abortion and legal paternal surrender

Brian and Annie Charlotte debate abortion rights. Brian proposes legal paternal surrender as reciprocal right for men. Annie agrees men should have option to relinquish parental rights if they do not want the child.

Self-ratings round (1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Miss Exquisite: 9. Annie: 10. Gobler: 10. Malik: 7. Crow: abstains. Alexis: 5. Brian: 5. Andrew: 4.

Dating standards and exclusivity

Brian advocates for men refusing to date or sleep with women seeing other men. Debate on whether it is unreasonable to expect exclusivity before commitment. Malik and Crow support monogamous dating; Miss Exquisite argues multiple dating is normal.

Exit strategies for sex workers

Andrew asks panelists about exit strategy from sex work. Miss Exquisite has started a business. Gobler plans stock market investing and can return to nursing. Andrew notes most high-risk plans fail.

Traditional women and lowering standards

Alexis discusses how her traditional girlfriends accept less from men. Panel debates whether women have standards too high or too low. Andrew and Malik discuss submission and female hypergamy charts.

Malik's tweets and male leadership / female submission

Brian reads Malik's tweets about men needing to be better leaders for women to submit. Andrew and Malik debate Orthodox Christian concept of wifely submission. Malik's tweet reviewed that police are corrupt.

Body count round

Brian asks everyone their body count. Madison: 8. Miss Exquisite: ~250. Gobler: 50-100. Annie: ~250 (counting both canals). Crow: 10. Malik: 1. Alexis: declines.

Transcript

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Brian Atlastable here actually do I want to wait was there another video we were going to pull up uh What video actually hold on hold off on that I'm going to get into some

Brian Atlasof our pre-show notes here oh uh okay we'll get into that so um we we we talked about the oh sweet tooth hey

Brian Atlasthank you for the gifted 20 memberships appreciate it right um let's see going to you you you said you were an only fans model full-time for the last four years but you also

Brian Atlashave a ba in philosophy and religion and you wrote your philosophy dissertation on feminism yes I wrote My Philosophy dissertation on how Aristotle is a

Annie Charlottefeminist which is apparently physically impossible but I wrote it and proved it to be true Aristotle was a uh a feminist yeah so Aristotle was an ancient Greek

Annie Charlottephilosopher who basically know that per oh sorry um but yeah I um argued that his with one line in

Annie Charlottehis Republic yes no that's Plato oh my God it's been in five years um but with one line in um one of his books that he believed that women were

Annie Charlottecreated um with the ability for practical reason so we were able to function in society but Society just hadn't given us the ability to like turn it on so um like with school education

Annie Charlottethe way that we were involved in in society we weren't allowed to like activate our practical reason and practical reason is what men had which

Annie Charlotteallowed them to function be politicians um have an education lead societies and be leaders and I argued

Annie Charlottethat he basically was like Society just hav hasn't given us the chance to activate it yet turn it on

Annie Charlottebecome like part of society in a practical wisdom way but slowly CU obviously the more we've got involved in the world and

Annie Charlottemovements and like things like the fact that we can sit here and talk about only fans on a podcast like is wild and all things like that so I just then argued

Annie Charlottethat he was just waiting cuz his Society said that women couldn't do it that he his philosophy actually allowed for us to be able to eventually okay wait do you know

Brian AtlasSocrates yes did you write anything about Nick private chat did you you know anything about Socrates do I I did you do any writing on socr cuz wait

Annie CharlotteAristotle was so it was it Socrates Aristotle Pluto no it went PL Socrates Plato Aristotle what was the order I think it's Socrates Plato Aristotle yes

Annie Charlotteso Aristotle was the student of Socrates and Pluto no no so Socrates was not Pluto Plato no no that's what I said okay I said play Sorry English is my second language Aristotle was the

Annie Charlottestudent of Plato and Plato was a student of Socrates I have a quote here and I want all the women at the table yeah I was I was like please tell me I SP spent four years doing that I want I want

Brian Atlassince we're talking about uh you know these ancient philosoph philosophical Jesus oh my God philosophical philosophical excuse me Tongue Tied here

Brian AtlasNick can you pull it up you got to uh trust not a woman when she weeps for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will socr

Brian Atlaswhat do you guys think about agree or disagree I agree agree agree oh wow okay this is Basse

Alexis Wilkinspound can we return to the feminism thing for a second because feminism do you so definition of feminism in like is in in idea is that men and women are

Alexis Wilkinsequal correct do you not agree that Aristotle was saying the exact opposite of that yes um but he oh yes sorry again no I just say so how is he a feminist if he's saying the opposite of that and

Annie Charlottehe's you know we can't postly decide for him um so that's the whole how philosophical arguments work so you take like a bit of text which I took is that

Annie Charlottewomen have practical reason but it is not auth like without Authority okay so then I had to like philosophically analyze the word authority and how like

Annie CharlotteAuthority is society given so Aristotle was in a society where women weren't equal no I get I get it the hyp I know how philosophical arguments work I totally understand I was just

Annie Charlotteasking making sure the definitions were the same yes yes yes okay cool okay so you're a feminist H yeah I I feel like it's quite

Annie Charlotteharsh term but yes I feel like when you say you're a feminist like people really think you're going to St yeah I'm femous just yeah which

Annie Charlottewave um wait let's give I think we need a seat booster you want to get a seat booster Madison keep keep going keep

Brian Atlasgoing oh um I what I definitely not New Wave why because wait can you push your mic that way sorry it's fine just did

Annie Charlottethey just go a little too far for you um they did actually um I feel like everything like well it's like the same with anything there's always a minute

Annie Charlottegroup that go too radical and make everything look like crazy and that's why sometimes I actually don't like saying I'm a feminist because you get as in the whole thing we've done today is

Annie Charlottediscuss about how like we put people in boxes and judge them and like I'm I want women and men to be equal and like to live in tode

Annie Charlottewhy because remember this is a philosophical argument why well because at the end of the day like everyone deserves to be equal no matter who they are that's not an argument

Annie Charlottethat's an opinion that is my opinion um so why why because we're all human beings that's an opinion again not an argument are we not are we not human

Andrew Wilsonbeings but you're saying the reason why is because we're human beings what does that have to do with anything because we're the same species and we should be treated with as the same again it's an

Annie Charlotteassertion now you saying should art so because we're humans that's a philosophical argument if it argument it would be a theory of science that's an in that's an invalid argument

Annie Charlotteit's invalid no it's a if it's factually true and completely true it would be a scientific it's factually true when you throwing in an art what makes it factually true well because we're not equal so it has to be

Annie Charlotteought cuz if we were equal I could say men and women are equal and everything is great right so why ought we be why ought we be because why on Earth should you be better than us what that's a question not an argument I'm I'm responding with a

Andrew Wilsonrhetorical I'm responding with a question yeah but I'm looking for the the original argument before you give me the question for why we should be equal because we should be oh well

Andrew Wilsonthat's quite the argument why is the sun there because it is that's a fact it's a

Annie Charlottetheory what why shouldn't we be equal well that's a question why should that be a philosophical argument to make us equal okay so should that's art right art we be

Andrew Wilsonequal I don't I hate K that's not K that is K should have not no yeah no it's just an art claim

Andrew Wilsonnothing to do with can't it is he made it he made what the or claim he can't made up Arts no he didn't make up artarts okay then why ought we be equal has nothing to do with Cy ethics it has

Annie Charlottea bit to do with Cy and ethics what yes what but I don't I can't like for me to come up with this philosophical argument about why we should be equal right now I'd blood you need to read about it do you think that men and wait wait hang on

Andrew Wilsonthis is a core belief you have we should be equal why art we be equal because we're human I don't really understand you can laugh at me all you want so should I be a construction

Annie Charlotteworker if I put on a construction worker outfit so but what your analogy is so um sorry um you can't answer a basic

Annie Charlottea like what do you mean by if you couldn't respond to my why shouldn't we be equal so therefore it's the same thing what would you respond ask asking asking me the question uh of why why why

Andrew Wilsonshouldn't X happen that's fine but before we do can you respond to the actual odd question that you made which is men and women should be equal okay

Annie Charlottegreat why why I don't [ __ ] sorry I don't know I wish I knew I wish I knew why we weren't equal and why

TTS/Donationspeople for men lowc is an indicator of commitment for women finding men with low BC is indicator of low chance of taking advantage of women both

Brian Atlasperspectives are respectable and valid for wait for women finding men with low body count is indicator of low chance of taking advantage AG of women both perspectives are respectable and valid oh Matt G thank you man appreciate your

Annie Charlottecomment there well I don't know if we linger too long on that perhaps we come back to it a little later I don't think have an answer for that because at the end of the day I just think I'm I'm sorry that I don't have a reason why I

Andrew Wilsonthink women should be treated the same as I have one question on that but then I'm going to move it on that that doesn't seem insane to you that you don't have a single reason you can give for why you think men and women should be equal not

Annie Charlotteone what I don't know why it isn't insane that I just think that can you tilt your mic down sorry um ah Jesus um I don't

Annie Charlottedud that's a bit too far oh my God I'm doing so well okay um I don't know why it's insane for me to just think that because that just because our genders

Annie Charlotteare different that we're not treated the same no he's asking why yeah yeah well I wish I wish I knew why we weren't treated the same I wish I knew why the are we not we are not I I wish we were

Brian Atlaswait question do you think so you're do you wish women got drafted I was about I was about to make the I wish women got drafted treat them the same right well if a woman is I feel like if a woman wants to go into the army she should

Annie Charlottedifferent that's different that's about a draft forced military conscription well yeah I guess I'm going to make everybody equal she's got to go

Annie Charlotteshe I've got to go but currently so off we go to war we're not allowed to go because we're too feminine and we'll delay men that's an argument but I thought he wanted us to be equal that's

Malika good reason why we shouldn't be equal cuz we're different yeah but C can you name why men and women are different then or why they should be different why should they

Annie Charlottebe different yeah you you can't think of any reasons why they're the same so why should they be different why should they I don't think they should be different either I just think everybody should be treated equally and I think anybody who wants to do whatever the blood the bloody hell should we treat criminals

Annie Charlotteequal to non-criminals obviously not well I guess you don't want people to all be treated equally well I just I just want everybody to be so okay

Annie Charlotteshould prisoners have guns I want all right people who live a moral people who live a moral life there we go then should be treated equally what's

Alexis Wilkinsmoral whatever the bud how you want it to be whatever you want don't so don't question in the name of equality don't feem isn't I need to look the statistic up to get the number right but

Alexis Wilkinsdon't female content creators make more money than male content creators no yes un only fans un only fans un only fans yes we do yeah

Annie Charlotteprobs so what so that's that's that's a inequality uh no there's just more women on there a man a man can join I mean in

Annie Charlottetotal I mean I mean per per person because the clientele that go on to only fans are after after something so you're advocating for inequity there no no not

Annie Charlotteat all some men just don't want to have to do what they have to do to make money on only fans unfortunately cuz it's a male clientele mostly on only fans a lot

Annie Charlotteof women don't purchase and I if I purchase because I support what I do but if you're not going to do that I can't force everyone to join only fans and start subbing to men great then you just

Andrew Wilsonmade the argument for why being Equitable and being equal is not possible why do we deserve to be paid less no that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is that because of these distinctions no we still 22% here here's

Alexis Wilkinsyour philosop that's not a true disparity the wage Gap is not um it's not an actual disp afrian Americans to white or you talking about men men and women oh okay cuz I was about to say that but go ahead could I have an

Crowopinion on this so no sorry I just wanted to be polite just go ahead go ahead so um I worked blue collar job jobs for the majority of my life when I started working it was

Crowmostly Blue Collar jobs I got paid the same as everyone else did some people got paid a little bit more because they had more experience but they were predominantly men can I ask you a quick

Crowquestion how do you know everybody's pay I don't oh okay I don't know everything finish your go ahead I just so I worked with my ex fiance and that's his pay was better more than mine because he worked

Crowthere longer than me so it doesn't it doesn't I don't think it matters on gender in my opinion it doesn't I think it matters more on

Brian Atlasexperience cuz there was a there was a woman there in the past she made more than okay we we've kind of ventured off into wage Gap discussion I mean really

Brian Atlasquick on the wage Gap since it came up uh I suppose it is somewhat Central to a lot of feminist arguments do you think female basketball players so WNBA should

Brian Atlasbe they be paid the same as NBA players absolutely not it is the only God okay let's start over here move around quiet

Brian Atlasyou oh I have opinions on this no no no I know but just I okay I do I do you think they should be paid the same what

The Goblerabout you Madison no I don't because of the um the advertisement so uh the regular NBA they get a lot of advertisement on their um you know when

The Goblerthey're paying basketball and everything the WNBA is not as much so their the income would be a lot different you know because they don't fill up the stadiums like the NBA and all of that good stuff

The Goblerso that's the only reason I say no but if it was the same if they got the same endorsements if they had the same fillment inside the stadium yes they should that's all with the same fill inside like if they could fill up a

The Goblerstadium like how big Stadium no they can't because it sucks I mean I don't know I mean a lot of people I mean it does right it sucks it's not as fun to watch I wasn't watching because I didn't really know about it like that honestly

Brian Atlasokay so I mean there's other components like merchandise sales and and other factors you even if I think the WNBA could fill a stadium there's still other components of the money that the

Annie Charlotterespective but anyways um okay what about you um it's this the same point really isn't it unfortunately there's not there's not enough support for female Sport and that's why that they

Annie Charlottecan't fill the stadium they can't make the money so they can't get the same endorsement cuz there's not enough support for it I agree on both on what they say yep go ahead yeah I I also

Malikagree and I believe the WNBA is the only industry that is in the negative as far as profits go every single year and the only reason it is still funded I believe

Brian Atlasis due to legality of if they fund a male sport they also have to send the equivalent funding to the female sport but it's it's not that but you do make a really good point that the so the NBA

Brian Atlassubsidizes the WNBA so yeah that's a good point yeah anything else or no I just think it's I didn't mean to cut you off there I just wanted this side I wanted to start on that side and come around what about you no I don't think

Brian Atlasthey should be paid the same for the same reason for the ad advertisements okay and everything else wait so okay going back to you you said go back to me you said so you said they should be paid the

Miss Exquisitesame I honestly feel like they do simply because of the reasons that everybody is stating because they don't like history I feel like it's the reason why they push more for the male sport

Miss Exquisitethan the female Sport and since it's been that way it's going to continue to be that way there's never been I feel like there's not a bigger push for women's sports than like women's basketball regular I I've got a question

Brian Atlasfor you oh go name name three I want you to name three WNBA players name three NBA

Miss Exquisiteplayers oh that's easy um LeBron James Paul Pierce Kevin Durant oh keep going you sounds like I mean I can name more

Miss Exquisitebut okay oh you want me to keep going keep going oh my God uh Steph Curry Steph Curry um Alan

Brian AtlasIris uh shoot you no one are here's the thing it's like I think

Brian Atlasit's actually the case that even for women's at least for the N the WNBA actually a fairly decent portion of their viewership is men it's not even so women just aren't watching sports I

Miss Exquisitedon't feel like I was pushed to watch it enough push to watch like I feel like it wasn't like you guys said it's not enough advertising for WNBA than it is for NBA like you you know how big have

Miss Exquisiteyou ever seen have you ever seen WNBA game on TV yeah they suck right no they don't suck there are some there are some good women black they they're okay but

Andrew Wilsonthey suck I don't think they suck I just think they're not they're not covered enough do you think that if you had an all women's football team that that would be nearly as entertaining to watch

Miss Exquisiteas the NFL because it would be as aggressive and as you know we want to see these guys knock the [ __ ] out of each other I wanted to advocate for all women's football team see I don't feel

Annie Charlottelike a certain Sports women should play and football is one of them so they're unequal in sports yeah I never disagree with that though you had something quick uh yeah interesting fact actually um I can't remember what year but I think it

Annie Charlottemight have been last year that the women's English women's football team got into the World Cup final and the men didn't and it wasn't even advertised in our papers you remember that time that the they didn't make it but it's just like interesting to see cuz they're

Andrew Wilsonquite good at they are quite good at football but our football isn't our football soccer they're not it's like no no they're not they're not quite good at football you remember what happened when the high school team took on that big I

Brian Atlasdon't remember what the team was but it was a high school soccer team which took on National National okay they do this in various countries the the Women's National Team so the best players from

Andrew Wilsonall the clubs get scorched by 15-year-old Hot Boys yeah soccer players I mean brutal and they mess with them these are like the best of the best and there's like 15-year-olds and they're

Andrew Wilsonjust you know knocking the soccer ball back and forth playing with them kind of giving them the fingers they run it down you know what I mean they they kick it into the goal they kind of laugh at them it's pretty fun to watch actually you

Annie Charlotteshould check it out as in so your national soccer team or like the players from across the world I'm I think I'm is it like players from across the world or is it just your

Annie CharlotteNational National so as in like the American national team okay well I was talking about the English national team they're quite good the the American national team was quite good as well I didn't win the World

Annie CharlotteCup well we did well it's kind sorry that wasn't even a mean point I wasn't even trying to be mean there like that wasn't it's kind of like women winning

Alexis Wilkinsthe Special Olympics like you're still W it's the comparison at point it's like not skill level it's men versus women 15-year-old

Brian Atlasboys don't cancel me okay let me do a couple chats here we have F we're going to come back to the feminism stuff yo good evening Brian B takes didn't understand 90% of the stuff

Brian Atlasyou mentioned about World of Warcraft but I played it close to a decade ago and godamn do I want to play it again after all that Andrew equals w i don't play uh I don't play anymore but uh you know it's uh it's out there if you want

Brian Atlasto go play it and by the way uh shout out to uh Nemesis for uh it's the band of Aura from ragnaros that's the ring that

Brian AtlasRogues want band of Aura thank you is we have at least HC thank you man appreciate it so if all humans ought to be equal does that apply to unborn ones

Brian Atlastoo okay good question Tre treading into dangerous territory here but why not you can choose your left or your right uterus when do they when do they be are when are they considered human though

The Goblerwhen is The Unborn Child considered human conception well this is a good question we would say we would say a conception who would Christians would well yeah I mean Christians I mean okay

Andrew Wilsonbecause it meets because it meets because it meets the criteria for biological life okay so is do you consider that answer to be subjective then no I don't think it's subjective I

Andrew Wilsonthink that we would always air on the side of life so I mean always so I think it's a subjective metric from the other side I think the other side it says well we don't know so we just whenever we

Annie Charlottefeel like it yeah you know what I mean that's the way I I see it did you get to respond to the message or oh I love okay all right no it's okay

Annie Charlotteum I believe when happens so okay all right well no I got it um I believe it's when it's brain function when their brain begins to function that's when human life begins and then I

Andrew Wilsonthink that's when it's wrong which is quite early on actually does this mean that if somebody's in a coma or or some or they have some kind of like detriment to their brain function that it's okay to take them out or

Andrew Wilsonwell no because if they're in a coma their brain is still does their brain just not function what if they're brain dead but maybe it could be rebooted at some point with technology is that still a

Annie Charlottehuman that's a that's question isn't it um I just feel like I don't um yeah if they're brain dead they're brain from the nursing perspective if they have brain activity they aren't brain dead so

The Goblerwe can't they're not going to pull the plug on them but if they have organs that shutting down and them without the machine would cause them to die then yes yeah I get it so so then what sort of

Malikbrain activity would be a requirement for it to be a baby that was going to be my next question what was your opin you you wanted to well I was just going to ask because you're saying when the brain starts to function but what are you

Annie Charlottebasing that off of is that your own personal opinion no like there's like stages of the pregnancy and the brain and the Heart stuff doing that stuff um and that's when I think that that's a

Maliklittle baby but it's literally it's but you said That's you think um pardon sorry what did you say I'm just trying to understand because you said that's

Annie Charlottewhen you think it's a baby and it's consider human um unfortunately we have to make that decision if we're not going to do life at conception you have to

Annie Charlottedecide when and I would say then that it would be wrong to terminate when does the brain start functioning I I cannot tell tell you off the top of my head but

Annie Charlottethere is like St stages and they're like literal stages in the pregnancy and it's quite early on VI does it need to be fully functioning like what if the kid is going to be born with a with a really

Andrew Wilsonreally low IQ for the rest of her life just because they have a low doesn't mean they don't have a brain well it does and here's why because could be that their brain function is different

Andrew Wilsonthan a normal kid's brain function right so you're saying it's when we get brain function I want to know what kind of brain function well when you can when you read brain function on the ultrasound I feel like that's that's the

Annie Charlotteonly way you're going to tell just any kind any kind yes I'll go with any kind of brain function y any kind of brain function okay what's it called when you put the buzzer in final answer so okay great so

Andrew Wilsonwhy is brain function the important thing because it starts the heart to beat doesn't it it starts the heart to beat yeah why is that the important delineation for when you consider it life because it's going to have brain

Andrew Wilsonfunction right yes and heartbeating so they work together to pump life yeah but it's going yeah but what I'm saying is it's going to have brain function so you are

Annie Charlotteartificially stopping it from having brain function right yes I am artificially shopping it for H PR yeah why why is that okay um because there are things called unplanned pregnancies there are situations in which you do not want to have a child there are conditions in

Annie Charlottewhich I'm not allowed to say on this podcast that you don't want to have a child and I think it's you are more than entitled to terminate life if you feel like you need to and I feel like if you braction and if you can say before brain function it makes the woman that's doing

Annie Charlotteit feel a lot less guilty and I don't think we should make women feel guilty for terminating life so let's say brain function starts at 3 weeks let's just say it start let's just say it did it starts at 3 weeks if I'd like the exact

Andrew Wilsontime I'm going to tell you why it's important just give me a second let's just say it started at 3 weeks just we'll just assume it for a second okay and this was an sa victim didn't find find out until week six right could the

Andrew Wilsonsa victim terminate then well I think well that's a difficult one isn't it I think you every I don't know because you just got done telling me that if the brain's functioning the brain is functioning it's a human but

Annie Charlotteevery situation you have to take it into account it's a case- by case basis you can't just be like as you love to generalize life and everything you can't General I'm being hypers specific yes I know and I'm saying you have to take it Case by case basis with I just gave you

Andrew Wilsonthe cas here's the case the cas is the brain function you didn't know pregnant and it was from an baby then she doesn't have to have that baby well then the brain function what you've just said is it's a human being when there's brain function and to

Andrew Wilsondeterminate it would be murder at that point and you just advocated it's okay to murder a kid yeah okay okay I think

Brian Atlasthat's more than fair if I have I have one question on this um so your position is a woman should have the right to be

Brian Atlasable to I'm Pro Choice yes yeah question for you um kind sort of related to that um let's say a man doesn't want to be for the exact same some of the exact same reasons that you listed out say

Brian Atlashe's not financially ready he doesn't want to be a father yet he's not in a place in his life whatever the reason may be but primarily he's not financially ready and he just isn't maybe emotionally ready to be a father

Brian Atlasand I think you cited those as some reasons why women should could or would have an abortion um what I kind of pre I

Brian Atlaspreempted myself here I question so but but so a guy a guy gets a woman pregnant right and she let's say she wants to keep the kid but he has all those financial and emotional concerns what

Brian Atlaswould you say to him if you had a male friend who got a woman pregnant under those circumstances what would you say to him um so you can't obviously Force someone to have an abortion y but at the

Annie Charlotteend of the day I think there should be like she there should be a discussion that's had with him and said partner because if he's not financially ready to support she then can't you and she wants to have the baby and he's like I don't

Annie Charlottewant to she had if she has the right to terminate and not keep he should have the right to be like actually I'm not ready for a baby I don't think I can do this yet I don't want to be involved and that's but that's all he can do because

Brian Atlashe can't force her to have a baby sure but you do you do acknowledge that while the state I don't know I believe abortion is just wholly available in the

Brian Atlasunited the UK correct um so the state would despite her saying well you know uh I I understand you know but I'm going to keep the kid and he doesn't want to

Brian Atlasbe financially involved the state would then force him into fatherhood and would force him to at at minimum uh pay child support to the woman well actually I'm not familiar with child support laws

Brian Atlasspecifically in the UK but I'm assuming it's fairly similar yeah where you would be compelled to pay child support despite your lack of so but I mean what do you say to a man in that POS so do you say that I I wish I could but what

Annie Charlottewould you tell him would you tell him well tough you should have thought of that before having sex uh probably as a joke yes but not seriously but I would like I'd love there to I wouldn't love for there to be

Annie Charlottea law involved but I think if a man doesn't want to have involvement that is sad but there should be why is it but it's sad for a it's sad for the it's sad for the child eventually because that child's dad didn't want them that's always going to be sad would you make

Annie Charlottethat same argument for a woman who gets an abortion yeah it's sad okay all right that's fair and it's also women go through a lot of pain when they do that it's very it's a not one but you said

Annie Charlotteyou said there should be a law where men can when almost like waiver the right to pay child support if they don't want to be involved think I mean my personal

Brian Atlasposition on this in any state where uh abortion is legal I think men should have a corresponding right to I agree I completely it's called Legal paternal

Brian Atlassurrender where they basically relinquish any sort of uh par uh paternal rights parental rights and by extension they don't have to be obligated to pay CH but can they then get back involved so say in like 10

Brian Atlasyears time they're like [ __ ] I actually really want I supp they can negotiate anything they can negotiate anything with the the mother but if yeah I'm not sure on the specifics of reconciliation % agree with you I think okay all right

Brian Atlasthat's fair they should be allow you know what you know what I actually think I think people who are pro-life actually you might actually convince some men to join your cause if you were to say well we're going to push through legal

Brian Atlaspaternal surrender uh as part of like some you know uh you know uh Cooperative I like for for pro-choicers I feel like there

Annie Charlotteshould be something like that in place I don't think it's fair like it it fair is probably not the right word but I don't don't think it should all lay on the mother's shoulders actually cuz it is like a big burden to take on a whole

Annie Charlotteperson it's a person like Dad is a that's 18 years of Parental responsibility like from day dot and then like I'm 25 I still borrow money off my mom so I'm still a massive

Brian Atlasfinancial burden a for Life a for life let's uh we'll move on a little bit here we have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 we're going to start with you and we're going to go around the table

Miss Exquisiteable why don't you go ahead I'm a nine sure okay Manson an eight I'm going rate myself a 10 uh seven

Alexis Wilkinsfive I'll say seven um I'm abdicating I'm not doing this oh come on come on well it's like anyone who's been asked to it's it's

Alexis Wilkinslike a it's it's a it's a what it's a it's kind of like a paradox right we're being asked a question that would be subjective based on other people's opinions like if you rate yourself a one you're kind of a pikme if you rate

Alexis Wilkinsyourself a 10 you're narcissistic and I'm just I I I I I don't mean that in general I mean what people's opinions are okay just one number why do you

The Goblerthink I picked five I'm right in the middle yeah I felt like I was like I I was like Seven's good hey I think I'm not here to care about what anybody else would possibly think

The GoblerI could lose some for me it's it's I don't care about what anybody else think he said rate myself how do when I look in the mirror how do I think that I feel about me a 10 well it's not how you feel

Brian Atlasabout you it's like if you make your own assessment like if you if you intellectualize you try to make an assessment of like H if I'm comparing myself to other people and like am I

The Goblerwhere I want to be but that's not how I was rating myself though I was just rating myself off of you said you know your looks on the scale of to 10 exactly that's all I was doing not compared to how she look or if she's thinner than me

The Gobleror if she's shorter than me it's not about that because you might not like me being a big girl but it's guys who actually love plus-sized women every you know what I mean it's not everybody's

The Goblerperspective of beauty is not the same so yes you might not think I'm a 10 the societal Norm is be th that it is what it is I'm a 10 so if if I if I concede

Brian Atlasthat there may very well will be some men who view you as a 10 MH if we were to take a cross-section of like say a 100,000 men some of which might think you're a 10 some of which might not some might going say three some going to say

The Goblertwo some going to probably even say zero what do you think the average would be I have no who I mean it depends on where I go if you take me to the suburbs they were going to give me a zero you take me to the hood it's different you feel me

The Goblerso wherever you take me it's wherever you be you feel me like it's that's it so yeah Andrew what do you rate yourself on a scale of uh one to 10 four I

The Goblergive don't do and true don't believe like you got your hair all you got your hair all dead you groom nice you know what I mean

Miss Exquisiteyou don't even have any lint on your shirt like there's no way you just just I don't know don't take you as a kind of guy like I'm going around what do you

Brian Atlasrate yourself oh me yeah on you now five give myself a five what why you didn't give yourself

Malikfive an average white guy no I agree I you up did you just say I agree everyone I do I agree is crazy I agree with you no I wouldn't put you in an average

Malikwhite guy godamn you have a problem with me agreeing with you no not at all because if if you genuinely think you're a five why would you get offended that I wasn't

Brian Atlasoffended okay my bad I just thought I what okay well you know you agree I'm a four actually no I wasn't I'm not really no I think I just

Crowthought it was funny I wasn't I wasn't offended my my bad ages well you know it's also the same thing for me I'm an average white girl I'm bigger you know I'm not skinny but I'm average average

Annie Charlottewhite dude I could be a six if I lost a bit of weight I got a dad bod right now I could be a six no ST put sexy I'm sorry I stand for a d Bo not me trying to hit on you

Brian Atlassorry that was not what was happening the show uh but okay so we have you said nine correct I did and you said 10 guys please don't take the this the wrong way

The Goblerof course not oh I don't care people come and call me ugly fat I think your self assessments

Miss Exquisiteare erroneous erroneous incorrect based on on you on where you were born you know based on an average

The Goblerwhite guy of right not my jigle doesn't look good to you but my jiggle look good to them so it's cool it's cool I'm not offended

The Goblertrust me I'm not everybody's cup of tea and it's never going to be I'm never going to be everybody's cup of tea ever so I don't think anybody's ever going to be everybody's exactly so I wouldn't be

Brian Atlashear what he has to say oh go ahead finish sorry I'm sorry say it Brian well uh I guess uh I mean uh you guys

Brian Atlasare like uh you're average looking of course you know you're average looking to you to

Brian Atlasyou and I'm being I feel like I might you know perhaps being uh a little generous oh can I ask the men at this table to rate the woman I don't know if that's too toxic well I mean I don't so

Miss Exquisiteyou're being generous by saying I'm average looking it's okay I might be it might he's a white guy in his 30s of course I'll rate every chick here if I

Andrew Wilsoncan one one one I'm one and one too he's married that is what we

Brian Atlaslike to hear from Married Men oh yeah oh it's cuz he's married guys it's because it's because he's married he only has for his wonderful wife2 or.

The Goblerfive I couldn't help it I couldn't help don't worry wow I'm not going to get enraged by anybody's opinions of me okay I get it all day every day do you mind rating the women at the table I feel

Brian Atlaslike it's kind of rude to actually give somebody a rating I I consent to being rid wait so is nine I foret eight eight

Brian Atlas10 seven seven five five seven seven I didn't she refuses she omits

Brian Atlasum I don't I will rate if okay I'll only do it if each of you individually give me permission to rate you you or not permission but you say you're fine with

The Goblerme giving you an actual number you're okay with it I am Maddie I don't care obviously no you just call me below average so it's no need for you to give me a number today okay she doesn't want

Brian Atlasyeah I'm cool with it go for it oh god well you said okay not a poor sport uh

Miss ExquisiteI'm oh [ __ ] remind me video generous cuz that's what you said you were being yeah so honest and what

Brian Atlaswhat do you guys say put it all out there on the table okay all right uh so okay I'm going to do like a a what's oh [ __ ] what's the what's the word a uh

Miss Exquisitetoo much trouble what I'm get in trouble somebody hand you a sh generalization this is going to be like a holistic assessment here so what is a h we went from a rate to a holistic

Brian Atlasassessment this is going to be like holistic thank you okay so um I think uh you know you've got like a kind of aesthetic face you know now I think uh

Brian Atlasam I going to get in trouble if I what is an aesthetic face like you got your fa is it's good you know I mean just better I think I was fine with numbers he wants to go there so let's go there

Brian Atlaslisten uh I feel like I'm going to get clipped here you are I hope you do I actually I don't think I should give my reasons for my rating maybe I should

The Goblerjust go ahead and give the rating that I don't want to come off as the r word so what [ __ ] ends with a te so ends with a mhm

The GoblerI want you to tell me what you were going to say because like I'm not worried about nobody I said you don't want to come off as that racist yes why is that the r word I thought the r word was [ __ ] I thought he said a couple

The Goblerwords we couldn't say you're definitely saying the word but wait what oh oops oops I get a pass because I am I am the r word okay oh you are I get a pass okay

Brian AtlasI figured you were when I looked at your page and I see his not not the word that ends with one I get a I get I oh she thought

Brian Atlasyou oh that would have been bad no I'm not a racist I am not I am not a racist I apologize for that comment I I get the past to say the word

Malikbecause I am wait what word are we talking about now r r t a r d e d there's just so many words I'm

Brian Atlasactually clinically [ __ ] based okay I totally believe you checks out

Brian Atlasum I think they're trying I would never I would nevery to I'm a nice guy I would never just don't do it I'm a nice guy I don't think he should I think he should she was she she said it was okay I asked

Malikyou to rape me she asked me to cancel yourself here today well why would I cancel my why would like this me video I don't want to get can I don't want to

Brian Atlasget C just I'm just going off of what you said just go with the number don't explain it is I don't think it's a cancelable offense done it before when solicited to rate

Brian Atlassomebody ju oh that's right yeah Jubilee they're fine okay all right

Brian AtlasI 2.5 wow 2.5 hey brutality

Brian Atlasuh do you have fake titties yeah new one 4 days like a

Brian Atlas4.5 4.5 4.5 did the two vaginas inform your rating at all that's it's neither here nor there I think had

Brian Atlasa little bit of influence just a little bit uh it's okay sweetheart

Brian Atlas3.5 okay and then mik Malik Malik Maan mik uh

Brian Atlasfive and then Andrew Wilson's a 10 out of 10 absolutely the Brotherhood wins again okay the patriarchy wins again okay good talk everybody miss one she said she

Alexis Wilkinsdidn't oh she didn't want to be raid so uh I I mean oh you're fine with me raing I I really I I was her she just skipped over I didn't want to make my own opinion I think we need another seat booster oh can you scoot your mic that

Alexis Wilkinsway I feel like your face is getting a little blocked off uh which one yeah I'm not going to rate you she didn't rate herself I'm sure the chats rated all of us

Brian Atlasalready coms like maybe 6.5 or seven amazing there you go

Brian Atlasyeah there you have it oh yeah okay the only 10 here is Kiki back there I don't know if we can get a zoom in on can you just there she is look at her

The Goblershe's such a what happened to her kneecap knee be he didn't want to run away she's only 10 here that go B to watch put she put in real work but okay

Brian Atlasreally quick just to wrap up on this yeah 10 n don't you think it's a little delusional a little hubris to say I'm I'm perfect in your case and I'm nearly

Miss Exquisiteperfect in your case I mean I don't see it as see I feel like people take rating differently like me saying I'm a nine I don't see that as me saying I'm nearly

Miss Exquisiteperfect I'm raing a lot of different things about myself looks being yeah well no no no no but the question is looks rate your looks just

Miss Exquisitelooks that was the question I'm pretty as [ __ ] and I I good for my body yes it's still a nine so wait but you said it's going to always be a nine oh okay cuz it sounds like you I'm not

Miss Exquisitegoing to say 10 I'm not perfect I've never been perfect Nobody's Perfect all right okay are you trying to argue my rate my own personal rate I thought that's what I was doing this whole time I don't know why I thought I was already

Miss Exquisitedoing you asked me to rate myself you didn't ask me to compare myself against your rate oh yeah word how do you think society would rate you oh I don't know and I don't

Brian Atlascare how about how do you think I'm going beon Amer soet y have yeah I was about to say 100,000 Frat Boys bro they're going to give us come on now now

Brian Atlascome on wa first off I know some no wait let me just I'm going to gas you up I'm going to gas you up I'm going gas you up real Qui let me know

Brian AtlasMaddie she knows we this is UCSB we're in the UCSB area and I know some Frat Boys that I could link you up with some tonight that would the

Brian Atlasgobbler they Fat Boys no no they don't mess with us oh they mess with you no I mean they do actually online but in person no yo if there's any never had

Brian Atlasboys at UCSB watching right now [ __ ] what are some frats Madison just list there's a Sig Sig Sig kig kig I don't

Brian Atlasknow that's all I know yo [ __ ] DM us boys I'll get you linked up with these two beautiful ladies tonight and you guys can have they'll invite you to a frat party and you no I don't do meat sorry well no no no not like they just

Brian Atlaswant to party with you and like kick it and do PE peyote I ain't here to party what you here for I'm here to get stand on business oh [ __ ] she's here to get

Miss Exquisiteyou know what though they might okay you better dip into them funds them college funds I ain't got nothing else to do with that they're all broke word

Brian Atlasokay we have the ranger Here Andrew right is just another word for freedom freedom can be measured and has consequences no right's not another word for for freedom is this to what you were saying

Brian Atlaslast time or something I think so when we were talking about and stuff all right for Freedom that's it okay all right here let's get into oh videos

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Brian Atlasboys okay okay uh we're going to pull up a video Nick it's the one of the videos it's uh not the boat one it's the uh the

Annie Charlottetwo girls or something yeah go full screen with it sorry every time I just hit two girls and some oh God your head just caught no oh can you uh drag it to

Brian Atlasthe beginning yeah when he says do you want to come over and the girls are looking a little verse come

Brian Atlasover okay and they're doing some cringe [ __ ] tick Tick Tock dance okay uh so it's do you want to come over question versus come over actually Nick can you

Brian Atlaspull it up and I want to read the comments uh on on that should I pull the comments up yeah just go out of full screen and there's some comments on there that I just want to read maybe the top

Brian Atlasfew oh yeah make it put this on the other side and make it bigger I can't read uh okay I don't I don't understand make it a little

Brian Atlasbigger scroll up I don't understand why I always end up dating [ __ ] so this is why there's so much confu okay guys taking notes be like okay half no manners got it plot twist unless he's physically not

Brian Atlasattractive enough then he's creepy by not asking asking them in 10 years why is there no good men take notes guys they do not want a gentleman unfortunately we want independence same women give us instructions give women

Brian Atlasorders not suggestions noted I will not allow them free will to decide they hey okay um uh and that's pretty much uh it so

Brian Atlasokay uh you guys's thoughts on the little Tik Tok maybe not the comments so much but the actual uh YouTube video do you guys okay do you prefer a guy would

Brian Atlasyou prefer a guy to say what did he what was the first one do you want do you want do you want to come over versus a guy just saying come over or does it not

Miss Exquisitematter it depends for me uh how so if it's a guy that I'm pursuing as far as like dating I would definitely prefer you to ask me um if it's somebody that I've been

Miss Exquisitedealing with and I'm used to you and I'm comfortable with you I'm kind of cool with the come over um just because we already have that Dynamic um but yeah most of the time I would like you to be polite and

Madisonask I don't think it's that deep like I've never really thought too deep into that but I get why they think that the come over is more appealing because they

The Goblerwant guys to be like I want you to come over you know what I mean I don't know I don't get it though um for me it really don't matter I know for the video though

The Goblerwise it looks like they're um it looks like they just want the more assertive guy you know what I mean who says just come over that's what it seems

Annie Charlottelike to me okay um so for me like when I first watched a video I was like yeah I get it like it's it's sexy when a man's like do

Annie Charlottethis but then I read the comments and I was like [ __ ] actually like it's kind of kind of [ __ ] up no consent and I'm like [ __ ] yeah they didn't really ask my

Brian Atlaspermission but so it's a hard one because it's like that I think the no consent ones are a bit of a stretch like that's a bit of a stretch but the ones

Annie Charlottewhere it's like but I get it like in the sense that I used the wrong one but like I get where like they got where they were coming from I was like I would like that to be said to me but then I also do realize what that's actually putting off

Annie Charlottewhen that's not what my intention would have been to put off I just want like manly man in my head that's what manly man would do but maybe actually I'm like you people do want so maybe asking is actually better now

Andrew Wilsonthat so the comments changed my complete perspective this is super simple it's like when you ask a woman where do you want to go to dinner the worst it's the worst [ __ ] idea on planet Earth

Andrew Wilsonquestion defitely to what you do is you say here's where we're going to dinner that's the same thing as this come over it means the same thing don't ask them what they

Crow[ __ ] want we're going here and that's it your thoughts yeah no um the do you want to come over I love that way more you know I love I love the validation

Malikthe reinsurance go for it uh I actually disagree with most of them so maybe this is just based on how I was raising my culture but I think that the man should

Malikbe dominant the man should be assertive the man should lead the woman and obviously with consent but the woman should want to submit to her man so I personally prefer when men um just say

Malikhey we're doing this hey come over hey do you want to do this versus being all timid and kind of submissive hey do you want to do this hey where should we go for food I prefer when men know what

Malikthey want and like I said obviously there's like the consent was stretching it um but I prefer for men to be dominant and confident I think that social media

Alexis Wilkinsbuilds in really weird tests for relationships expectations like I I I I think that a guy can be in an alpha and you know have male leadership and still say like hey would you like to come over

Alexis Wilkinsyou know you can be like an alpha male and have manners and I think to me it correlates with like have you guys seen the orange peel theory on social media where they're like oh basically it's like if you won't if you oh can I have an orange and then it's turned into this

Alexis Wilkinswhole you know if you won't peel an orange for me you don't love me oh wow so and I think it's crazy I mean we're we're referring to social media not we but you know but people refer to

Alexis Wilkinssocial media as again societal Norms things that are good that we want and these it's to me it's hard with how young these girls look you know I can never figure out how old people are anymore because nobody has an awkward

Alexis Wilkinsstage unfortunately where do they go like yeah like I that hit me like a ton of bricks I just caught the character you know way it it builds character it's good I'm

Alexis Wilkinsglad I'm 25 but like you know it's just the these young girls placing these you know expectations and for them to be advocating for a domineering and if they're not old enough or don't

Alexis Wilkinsunderstand what actual male leadership looks like it can be an actually very dangerous expectation you know I think that there's there's a middle ground between you know wanting your wanting your man to be a beta wanting him to be your bestie or wanting him to be like

Alexis Wilkinswhatever I think that's kind of a weird thing too that's on social media but there's a middle ground between that and like you need to come over and I think that um most people would call that healthy I don't believe that you know

Madisonwhere you want to go to dinner any more than any of the rest of them do this is I never said I knew where I wanted to go to dinner never know there's another Trend about that where guys would be

Alexis Wilkinsjust be like oh like guess where we're going for dinner and the girl will say something and then he'll just be like okay that's where we're going that's great that's different to me than the comparison of like smart you know I guess it's also in context these girls

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