ØnlyFans "Virgin" vs. Rollo Tomassi, Justin Waller, Mike Sartain | Dating Talk #72
Date: 2023-05-08
Duration: 4h 56m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Mixed panel(audience)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Rosie/Ali(guest)
SPEAKER_03Female guest (situationship)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Nev(guest)
SPEAKER_05Farha/Nikki/Kylie(guest)
SPEAKER_06Crew(audience)
SPEAKER_07Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_08Michael Sartain(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Unidentified(audience)
SPEAKER_11Rollo Tomassi(guest)
SPEAKER_12Justin Waller(guest)
SPEAKER_13Kiki(host)
SPEAKER_14Aspen(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:36
IntroFarha introduces herself as a 24yo TikToker and OnlyFans creator; immediately followed by Nikki (18, warehouse).
00:07:48
IntroMichael Sartain enters as mystery guest, joking "I'm Mia Khalifa what's up" before revealing himself; age 45.
00:08:18
IntroJustin Waller introduces himself: construction, real estate, age 37. Keeps relationship status a "mystery."
00:08:27
IntroRollo Tomassi introduces himself: author of the Rational Male series, just turned 55, married 27 years (closed on both ends).
00:21:00
QuoteBrian announces show has reached 10,000+ concurrent viewers, a record for the Whatever podcast.
00:47:32
QuoteFarha reveals she is a virgin despite doing OnlyFans. Justin Waller responds with disbelief; Rollo connects it to hypergamy.
00:48:32
ControversyMichael Sartain asks Farha what kind of OnlyFans she does and presses on whether she has ever gotten close to sex; extended discussion of her virginity and pickiness.
00:59:36
ControversyRollo Tomassi and Farha debate hypergamy definition at length. Rollo argues it is biological/evolutionary; Farha argues the definition is being used inconsistently.
01:16:47
QuoteBrian asks girls to self-rate looks 1-10. Rosie says 5, Ali 7, Aspen 7, Kylie 7. Show is at record 10,000+ viewers during this segment.
02:18:12
QuoteMichael Sartain advises all single guests to volunteer at SPCA and soup kitchens as a strategy to meet empathetic, non-narcissistic partners.
03:38:20
QuoteBrian plays Patrice O'Neal "vagina train accident" clip. Avery/Kiki is first to respond: "blow jobs."
04:23:35
QuoteBrian attempts to set up Farha with Destiny (political streamer) who was in the live chat; Farha says they already live in the same city and she'd be open to a date arranged by Brian.
04:33:28
QuoteJustin Waller describes his War Room involvement: co-created with Andrew Tate, also involves Lou Barnett and "satorial shooter."
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and show announcements
Brian Atlas introduces guests and co-host Kiki. Sponsor spot for MCFC 2 MMA event. Guests introduce name, age, occupation, and relationship status. Mystery male guest (Michael Sartain) revealed. Male guests: Justin Waller, Rollo Tomassi.
00:11:00
Aspen: six years single, dating standards, religion
Aspen discusses being single for six years with only one near-relationship. She is a conservative Christian ER nurse. Panel discusses her standards (must love The Office, go to church). Debate on whether she is too picky or intimidating.
00:46:40
OnlyFans virgin reveal: Farha
Farha reveals she does OnlyFans but is a virgin. Panel probes consistency of this position. Farha explains she debates men in her DMs and her content is non-pornographic. Justin Waller and Michael Sartain question whether she is actually a virgin. Rollo Tomassi connects this to hypergamy.
01:00:00
Hypergamy debate: Rollo Tomassi vs Farha
Extended debate on the definition and origins of hypergamy. Farha argues hypergamy is cultural or definitionally contested; Rollo argues it is biological and universal across 37 cultures. Michael Sartain cites evolutionary psychology studies on attraction and facial symmetry. Debate on whether selectiveness equals low body count.
01:30:00
Self-ratings round and objectivity of beauty
Brian asks panel to self-rate looks 1-10. Girls give: Rosie 5, Ali 7, Nev 6, Aspen 7, Kylie 7. Farha deflects. SPEAKER_00 guests give mixed answers. Debate erupts on whether beauty ratings are objective or subjective. Michael Sartain argues beauty is largely objective (symmetry, signs of youth). Show peaks at 10,000+ concurrent viewers.
01:48:20
Body count, double standards, and OnlyFans economics
Discussion of acceptable body count numbers. Farha debates whether body count = selectiveness. Justin Waller states he will not date a woman with 80+ bodies. Rollo explains evolutionary basis for asymmetric standards. Farha argues she does not conflate selectiveness with body count numbers.
02:20:00
Role models, broken homes, sex and relationships advice
Panel discusses role models. Rosie shares 7-month situationship backstory. Kiki reads superchat questions. Michael Sartain advises volunteering at SPCA/soup kitchens to meet empathetic partners. Discussion on whether men's actions matter more than words. Rollo: women talk, men do.
02:50:00
Dating while in the military, masculinity, and modern men
Discussion of dating military men (small percentage of Americans serve). Justin Waller and Rollo Tomassi debate the crisis in modern masculinity. Rollo argues traditional marriage is currently untenable for men due to imbalanced risk. Debate on polygamy/sharing high-value men. Justin Waller explains War Room involvement with Andrew Tate.
03:30:00
Patrice O'Neal clip and panel reactions
Brian plays Patrice O'Neal "train accident" clip asking what women would do to keep a man if they lost their vagina. Panel reacts. Avery says "blow jobs"; Aspen declines to answer fully. Discussion of what women uniquely bring to relationships beyond sex.
03:53:20
Destiny (streamer) discussion and payo Twitch raider
Brian investigates Destiny (political streamer) who sent superchat. Panel rates Destiny. Farha defends her polyamorous arrangement with Destiny. Justin Waller and Rollo Tomassi debate open relationships. Brian tries to set up Farha with Destiny. World of Warcraft streamer payo shown on screen; girls rate him.
04:20:00
Andrew Tate's War Room and closing remarks
Brian asks Justin Waller about War Room involvement. Justin describes it as co-created with Tate along with Lou Barnett and others. Closing shoutouts. Brian promotes Justin's YouTube channel and War Room.
Transcript
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01:58:41
Aspenyou know he has pro-social good guy yeah he's a good guy Aspen what do you think oh um yeah I love this country and it would raise eyebrows just because one of
01:58:50
Aspenmy life goals is to have my husband with my kids there as much as possible but for the right guy I would accept that Kylie would you date a military guy
01:59:01
Farha/Nikki/Kyliehey Michael no yeah I think it's great I can see how some girls wouldn't want to like deal with like dating somebody actually like currently active duty like in the military because of the whole like
01:59:13
Rollo Tomassiwaiting game or whatever but not out of it and that's great quick follow-up question do you guys know the percentage of Americans who served in the military
01:59:24
Rollo Tomassiever served in the military percentage of Americans 65 really anybody anybody can throw out some guests nine percent anybody else
01:59:39
Michael Sartainnumber is six percent of people have ever served and that's active duty Reserve or anything like that a lot of people don't realize it's like less than one percent of the US population is currently in the military and so yeah it's actually a much lower number than people think they did a you go up survey
01:59:53
Michael Sartainand people thought it was somewhere in the 40s yeah the 40 of Americans are sick no they thought 65 of Americans had served in the military no it's about six percent of current people living right now have ever served in the military can
02:00:03
Brian AtlasI have you just scoot your microphone can I have you scoot your microphone to the edge of the table pull it towards you pull it towards you thank you all right we have a soup chat here from
02:00:14
Kikiagm1991 thanks for the uh Super Chat man appreciate it Avery go ahead Avery I have a question for you there is a woman that I'm interested in and I feel a connection with her any advice you want a perfect relationship get your
02:00:26
Kikirelationship with God Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit and God's word nkjv trust me and believe me so what's the question there's a woman that I'm interested in I feel a connection with her any any advice I
02:00:38
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethink that's really true uh I feel like I need more information here but I feel like he needs to be telling that girl the advice he just gave you when he asked you for advice no I think that was meant for Aspen because there's another one like under this I said oh I said the
02:00:51
Farha/Nikki/Kyliewrong girl again later I don't know I saw it earlier oh I think okay that was meant for Aspen well then I'll let you this one yeah I thought I saw one earlier I read this I
02:01:02
Brian Atlasmean this is a very general question um any advice is it for Avery or for Aspen I don't know you should answer I'm curious I don't I don't know I need more
02:01:13
Kikiinformation but I'm I just can say what I want I just want to be treated like I'm the prettiest princess in all the land all the land yes and like out of curiosity have you ever gone out with a guy who didn't treat you like you were
02:01:25
TTS/Donationsthe prettiest princess in all the lands maybe it's a little harder to get back to 100 if only you really understood the relationship between real men and what
02:01:36
TTS/Donationsthey deserve top G types and what they really look for is totally not what you give if the girl second from the left could find a guy worth having we could save the world
02:01:49
AspenDerek Man X thank you second from the left that's you that's husband just say Aspen Aspen's easy to remember um can I respond to that sure
02:01:59
Aspenum I would say be somebody that can lead her towards the Lord and also someone that can cut a throat and hold a baby
02:02:10
Brian Atlassorry guys that's gonna go in the title of this show uh sorry guys I'm adjusting something here on my uh laptop while I do that
02:02:21
Brian Atlasum is there anything this is a question I often ask um is there anything dating related anybody wants to get off your chest so either something that you specifically want to ask maybe a question you have some
02:02:33
Brian Atlasadvice you want some advice on men are pissing you off in some way is there anything dating related you want to get off your chest go ahead Avery I oh I don't know
02:02:45
KikiI don't want I mean I'm not having luck in the dating department but I'm not gonna like [ __ ] on men for that so I I don't know I don't have any questions at this time
02:02:55
Brian Atlaswhat about you I'm confused am I inquiring dating advice what so is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest so any specific topic that you'd like to talk about related to dating or maybe
02:03:08
Farha/Nikki/Kyliewhen it comes to dating men are pissing you off in some way and just give them some prompts here um well they seem to be traditional so I'd like to talk about like what their standards are for a female partner
02:03:19
Farha/Nikki/Kylietalking to Justin or all of them I'm curious about that too start with Justin let's start with Justin because you're willing to provide 100 for a woman so when I asked earlier strings attached I didn't mean in terms of her putting out
02:03:30
Farha/Nikki/Kyliefor the day I meant like what woman qualifies for that treatment
02:03:36
Justin Wallerloyalty um I think positive feedback given appreciation see the beautiful thing about love really is that when you give to your family your family tells you how much they appreciate it that's what makes it fun right that's
02:03:49
Justin Wallerthat's the beautiful thing about love is be able to take care of somebody provide for and protect them ideally somebody that was very intelligent that I can connect with on an intellectual level is very very important to me I think it makes it better
02:04:01
Justin Wallerparticularly if it's going to be any kind of long-term thing not short term like just sex like if I'm going to be around this person for a while I'm going to want to respect them mentally and um
02:04:11
Justin Walleralso I want that person to be on my mission with me like supporting my mission so particularly like let's say I met a girl like you if you were doing only fans at some point you would
02:04:24
Justin Wallerideally you would recognize the path that I'm on and want to get behind that program and support that program with all your talent and your efforts and everything so I think a man should be able to give a woman a mission to get on with him but is on the path that he is
02:04:36
Justin Wallerleading a man should be the leader in the relationship and for that reason I'd want a woman that could get inside of a frame my frame and be happy happy to be there so in a nutshell that's what I'd be looking for okay so you wouldn't want the woman to get off only fans because
02:04:49
Farha/Nikki/Kylieit's like sex work but just because that's her individual career path and you'd want her to kind of like abandon her career for your path or specifically because it's only Fan sex work only fans wouldn't be ideal I can tell
02:05:00
Justin Walleryou like I probably wouldn't like that if I'm being 100 with you but as far as her wanting to do something that she's passionate about if she wanted to work and for whatever reason she had a passion in some area I would support
02:05:12
Justin Wallerthat ideally she'd want to help me with my mission but if she wanted to do something that she was passionate about I would let her do it now would I wife up a girl and only fans no I wouldn't would I look past it to get to get to a
02:05:24
Justin Wallerplace where I could build her to somewhere else yeah I would and I think that is a man's job is to build a woman up to where he wants to go for example if you meet a woman you should be wanting to build her up so you can take her with you to meet those millionaires
02:05:36
Justin Wallerthat are going to invest in your deal or the billionaires on a boat in Dubai that a man's job should be in part to build a woman up to the highest level he possibly can so it's an investment that the man puts into a woman to try to build her up and make her the perfect
02:05:49
Farha/Nikki/Kyliepartner for him and that's just a part of it so yeah let's have a look at it that makes sense so the Cardinal thing you look for is loyalty can you characterize what makes a loyal woman because like depending where you fall in like the red pill Spectrum or even not the red pill
02:06:01
Farha/Nikki/KylieSpectrum some guys consider a woman you know going to parties or even like having a public Instagram account an act of infidelity so what do you consider a loyal woman I would probably have the have the password to the Instagram account if it got very serious I'd be
02:06:14
Justin Wallerable to see every message yeah she wouldn't have a problem with that because she'd want to be inside my frame women don't want space for men they're actually in love with they don't want
02:06:25
Justin Wallerthat and in fact women want nothing more to be enthralled by a man that they actually want so like please let me give this to you I want you that's the kind of that's the guy and you can't and you can't fake genuine desire yes so it's
02:06:38
Justin Wallernot transactional at that point at that point you you would want to do everything that it took to be a part of that man's life because you were truly truly in love with him sure does that lack of space go both ways like would she also have your passwords absolutely not no she wouldn't so how does she feel
02:06:50
Justin Walleryour genuine love just from the financial aspect of you caring for her and building her up I'm glad you asked that it's very very important that the people in the rep Hill space start to include the fact that you're there for
02:07:02
Justin Wallerit you'll sit there with her need a need like you are truly best friends you are emotionally therefore I also say a lot that a man a man should be the mountain that a woman's emotional waves crash
02:07:13
Justin Wallerinto he should be there for her fully this isn't like big G Pimpin type stuff like he's truly there for this woman in every way they're talking all the time they're in a constant contact they love each other it's true love is it dark
02:07:25
Justin Walleryeah but listen if it's not me and you against the world if the love's not dark if it's not me and you against everything that everybody's saying I don't want that love at all because that's that boring [ __ ] that ends up going off anyway
02:07:36
Justin Wallerso many people get married every day in America they make these vows to be you know hey I'm going to be the best man I can be and all this other stuff but they come home they pop open a beer and they get fat you want a man that's actually on a mission that's out there trying to
02:07:48
Farha/Nikki/Kyliedo something so he can make your dreams come true and take you on a carpet ride through time and space nothing more I completely agree with the notion that a relationship should be to individuals building each other up and pushing each other um I'm just trying to investigate the
02:08:01
Farha/Nikki/Kylieasymmetry and why you would have her passwords but not vice versa is it that is it that you wouldn't trust her is it that you'd want to monitor the messages before they come in so that she doesn't see them first like what is the intention no she would be able to see
02:08:12
Justin Wallerhim but it's just it's just a trust thing between me and a woman like you would want me to have your passwords it it not even me if you were in love with said man you you would either want to either get off of it there it is or yeah
02:08:25
Justin Wallerbecause you have to understand as a man like you for example beautiful woman very smart too by the way I think you've been pretty impenetrable on this show I'm very I'm very impressed by you this
02:08:35
Justin Wallerisn't Riz like just genuine kind truly but you're marketing yourself on the internet would be a no-go for me because if you were truly truly giving yourself away to a man you wouldn't mark it on the internet and I do look at it as
02:08:48
Justin Wallermarketing when a woman has her titties all over the Internet and that's no disrespect that's just if it were my girl and I'm and I'm the person that's doing everything I can to fight and make her life 10x would it be without me then that would be a simple expectation I
02:09:00
Farha/Nikki/Kyliedon't think that's too much to ask I think that's 100 your prerogative my issue more is when men have asymmetrical standards so they want a girl who's not showing her today is on Instagram but then their explore page is full of Instagram models and they're liking
02:09:12
Farha/Nikki/Kylietheir posts or they're watching porn so for me if I found a guy who wouldn't want me on Instagram and that was the love of my life I would just want him to not be on Instagram either if you wanted my passwords oh good sorry
02:09:24
Farha/Nikki/Kyliego ahead if you want my passwords the same Cuts both ways and if anything it makes more sense for the girl to have the guy's passwords because guys will be the first to argue that guys are the first to stray just related to the asymmetry thing so I I kind of want to
02:09:36
Brian Atlasadd a little bit to that so for example do you think that a guy who desires a woman with a low body count who doesn't have a promiscuous past yet for example he
02:09:47
Brian Atlasmight be promiscuous or he's got a bunch of women or he has a high body count do you quarrel with that do you take an issue with that because you mentioned you have an issue with asymmetry do you
02:09:58
Farha/Nikki/Kyliehave an issue with that 100 like I said I think it's your prerogative to find someone who matches your values I'm highly selective I want a partner who's also highly selective I don't think that maps onto body count because for instance if a girl tells you like I have
02:10:10
Farha/Nikki/Kylie80 bodies you can't deduce how selective she is because that could be you can do she's not selective she has 80 bodies you you can't keep it high you can't because wouldn't you argue women have access to [ __ ] every single man on this
02:10:22
Farha/Nikki/Kylieplanet actually sells a 99.999 curve rate it is you're proving my point that means I'm saying trucks is important context is important I wouldn't reduce
02:10:34
Farha/Nikki/Kylieit to just a number for instance body count usually just refers to penile vaginal sex like would you consider her selective if she has just a ton of lesbian sex but she's like [ __ ] ran through that's the issue she's ran through ran through I'm here in a
02:10:48
Farha/Nikki/Kyliespecific way they don't care if you they don't care if you [ __ ] a thousand women but one guy wait let's be very clear here so yes everything between a thousand women sure but typically the traditional body count conversation doesn't care about that here let's have
02:11:00
Justin WallerJustin come in go ahead well I just want to be very clear about this you're looking for a fair situation but news flash the light world is not fair that man is going to get up and go through stress every day and face the
02:11:12
Justin Wallerchallenges of the world while you have a pretty cushed life men have always slept with multiple women it's not fair it's [ __ ] I know it hurts I know it sucks I know it's not a good thing to say but it is absolutely true and you are the top of your sexual
02:11:25
Justin WallerMarketplace value and there's there's going to be a 224. am I past it yeah no you're you know you're about to I'm two days old in 24. no it's all good you're probably at the
02:11:36
Justin Wallertop and put your let me tell you where you're not you're not at 30 where you're at a time and you want to have children and you're absolutely in love with a man and he loves you in every way and you feel safe around him you're not in that position yet so you can't see an outcome
02:11:48
Justin Wallerwhere you would give a little to take a little back and I and I'm cool with that but I will tell you this when when you get up higher in age and the clock's ticking and that man's good to you and you trust him and you feel safe around him and he's truly your best friend and
02:12:01
Justin Walleryou will look up to him admire him then you might think differently about how you feel now and I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm just telling you that your opinion might change in time sure my point was in response to his which is would I have a problem with the
02:12:13
Farha/Nikki/Kylieasymmetry of wanting a woman with a low body count while having a high one and I would because when I consider a valid reason for preferring a partner with a low body count is that it's better for pair bonding you're less likely if you don't have that propensity to seek novelty you're less likely to stray
02:12:26
Michael Sartainpeople who are more promiscuous they tend to be more Unfaithful correct both ways studies do not the studies clearly show that it is far far more likely the case with women than men in fact in some cases after a certain amount it's not
02:12:38
Michael Sartainit's negligible with men with over 20 when women have slept with over 20 men it's like a 17 chance that she's still happy in a marriage for men it does not show that that drop off it does when we're talking about virgins we're talking about two virgins yes but the
02:12:51
Michael Sartainthing you're the question you asked before what is the one thing uh before you went to the bathroom that you're most upset about with dating it's that people don't look up these studies that is the one thing I'm the most upset about people are listening to Oprah
02:13:01
Michael SartainWinfrey and Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg and Dr Phil they're not listening to Dr David Buss and Stephen Stewart Williams and God sad the their studies on every one of these questions that we have and they've been handled
02:13:13
Michael Sartainbeauty is not object is subjective it is objective the fact like hypergamy is is not something that is created that's cultural we know now that it's genetic sure let's stay on topic so my point is that like guys are seeking virgins so
02:13:25
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethe recip the reciprocity who's also a virgin like you just said you can cite a study that proves that when both partners are virgins there's a higher like the pair bonding is more intense correct so yeah but you're not going to be attracted to a man in this version
02:13:38
Farha/Nikki/Kylieyeah that's any other problem yeah the guys typically when they talk about Body Count Their ideal body count is zero in a woman so I was giving you the converse uneducated guys who don't [ __ ] yeah yeah those guys don't have sex look you want a low body count I'll say a single digit
02:13:51
Farha/Nikki/Kylienumber is probably what you're looking for as a man I'm not even saying am I looking for that like I said I don't think you can deduce selectiveness from a number because context matters you could have gone through a breakup and been traumatized and maybe [ __ ] 80 people in one week but then you were absented
02:14:06
Nevgo ahead I got I got one but go ahead let her go okay I just think okay you're over complicating things again everyone's over complicating things I don't think anyone wants to sleep with a woman or get
02:14:17
Nevsettle down with a woman who has 80 bodies that's disgusting how am I over complicating I'm breaking down why I know you're breaking it down but it's something that doesn't need to be broken down most people if they they hear that you have 80 bodies it'll be like it's good
02:14:29
Rollo TomassiLet me let me tag something on at the end of that there the reason why men have a sexual revulsion response because there's a human revulsion response but it's it's intense for certain things like you want to get away from a dead
02:14:41
Rollo Tomassibody but you want to get away from a dead body you want to get away from things that smell like fears yeah fear of heights there are things that human beings are instinctually want to get themselves away from okay when you're
02:14:53
Rollo Tomassilooking for when a woman it seems like she's easier she's had 80 bodies or she has children from another from another man there is a hesitation in men that is instinctual and the reason for that is
02:15:04
Rollo Tomassibecause that woman represents a Bad Bet for his paternity that's why the body count matters to guys and it doesn't matter quite as much to to women for a guy who has a high body count he had
02:15:17
Rollo Tomassithat's I believe it was Sterling I'm saying this is that that is like one of the highest uh ways of of uh demonstrating higher value or uh pre-selection that's what it was because
02:15:27
Rollo Tomassiif a guy knows his way around your body better than you do you know he [ __ ] you know that he has been rewarded by other men or other men other women who who have had sex with him in the past enough so he has the experience to know what
02:15:40
Rollo Tomassihe's doing in the bedroom right so there's that aspect but then the other part of it is this is that the reason why I promiscued he works one way for men and it does not work for women is because of that paternity it's the understanding and the ascertaining
02:15:51
Rollo Tomassiwhether or not the child is his child because for since you know we were living in you know hunter-gatherer groups on the sub-Saharan Africa in 1980
02:16:02
Rollo Tomassiyeah the the yeah until we could be actually yeah DNA DNA test paternity test yeah so so we men have it's been in our biological evolutionary innate
02:16:12
Rollo Tomassiinterests to know or to try to ascertain whether or not a baby is our baby so that's why men make guard that's why when women and men get uh jealous because of infidelity men tend to focus
02:16:25
Rollo Tomassion the physical act did you have sex with them the bathroom did you did he come did he have a bigger dick than I did did you get off those are the the particulars that guys want to know when infidelity takes place when a woman gets
02:16:36
Rollo Tomassijealous because of infidelity it's do you love her is am I losing my investment it's my long-term security with this guy is that in danger that's why that's where that jealousy comes from so there's differences because men
02:16:49
Rollo Tomassiand women are different and we have different priorities when it comes to reproduction as well as family creation as well so when we're talking about 80 bodies when you say hey I've had I've had 80 80 guys that's eight that's a pool of 80 men in which one of those
02:17:03
Rollo Tomassiguys or probably some of those guys could have been the guy that you can't get over or maybe he's the guy that whether he did or he didn't doesn't make any difference but he's still thinking like on a on a hind brain lizard brain
02:17:15
Rollo Tomassilevel that there's a possibility that she was impregnated by one of these guys and she can't get over that guy you're a Bad Bet for my paternity yeah sure your response I just love that we revert to
02:17:25
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethese primordial Justice vacations for wanting a woman with a low body case when girls are on birth control if guys main prerogative is to like spread their seed then why is it they're looking for women who are on birth control they want
02:17:38
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethey're attracting women intellectuals biology as an excuse when reality biology refers to life and life's processes and our capacity our capacity
02:17:49
Farha/Nikki/Kyliefor culture our capacity for culture falls under biology our development of paternity tests birth control condoms that all falls under biology culture is Downstream from biology you don't get so
02:18:00
Nevyou don't get you don't get Society you don't get social construction without biology first that drives that yeah I think you're over intellectualizing a lot of this like when like you said it could be boiled down to biology that's
02:18:12
Michael Sartainnot a response well no no I I just think that isn't response your question is is it right and his response is this is why it is so the problem is what people will do is they'll say this but this man is
02:18:23
Michael Sartainjust what is this a small dick energy or whatever thing that they have to say to make or denigrate men for having some sort of preference and the reality is these things happen because men have 17 times as much testosterone as women and
02:18:36
Michael Sartainthroughout our evolutionary history we are the ones that were the Disposable gender and because of that we compete with other men for women The Men Who Make It To The Top throughout history have had more sexual partners that's just the way that it's been it's an
02:18:48
Michael Sartainexcuse if you still you have every right to think it's wrong if you want to think it's wrong but it's not hypocritical because we're different if you and I were to join the Marine Corps I have to do more push-ups than you because the world is different for men than it is for women if you and I were to join the
02:19:00
Michael Sartainfire department I have to do more pull-ups than you because men and women are different and so in this case it's the same thing I am not sure of the paternity of the child of your child but you always are and because of that
02:19:12
Farha/Nikki/Kyliereason your body count will always matter more than mine that's just a function of biology that's the justification for not being polyamorous not for having not having a high body count so that makes sense why you wouldn't want your girlfriend to be [ __ ] 10 guys at once because you were
02:19:25
Farha/Nikki/Kylieable to discern it if a girl [ __ ] 80 guys 10 years ago and has been absent still how does that justification it's an innate hesitation okay I also just wanted to say on the topic of biology
02:19:35
Nevwomen in literally there they menstruate men and straight around like male testosterone like the more they're exposed to testosterone the more they have sex the more their cycle will align
02:19:46
Nevwith that because of a very biological thing what is your point my point is that you're just intellectualizing again something that is very basic what does menstruation have to do with this
02:19:55
Nevbasically because women sorry sorry I'm not finished
02:20:08
Nevwas that biologically our bodies closer to the mic yeah our bodies do sort of correspond with males like it's like the testosterone that they emit kind of triggers something in us like the pheromones so you can't just
02:20:21
Mixed panelintellectualize something when it's already so okay you wanted to go go ahead basically the reason why men cheat is not because they don't like the girls for us like
02:20:33
Mixed panelwhen you sleep with a guy we're emotionally invested for a guy he's not emotionally invested into US most of the time it's just the Heat of the Moment and then the next morning after and and
02:20:43
Mixed panelthe next morning after you know that one night stand there's that post-nut Clarity that he feels like he doesn't see a life with you kicking in yeah exactly but you know he doesn't see a life with you and he
02:20:56
Mixed paneldoesn't see you as a partner a relationship and for him and for a female it's you know for guys it's all performance it's Performance Based for
02:21:06
Rollo Tomassifemales we don't really do as much during like you know when we're on the bed it's usually like a guy can I clarify something here really quickly just because because what you're bringing up is kind of a common misperception okay it's like well and I
02:21:19
Rollo Tomassisee this in the chat as well here is that it's like it's no longer the devil made me do it it's my biology made me do it and we don't have any control over it no we absolutely are responsible for our own actions and for as far as the results and the and any of the
02:21:31
Rollo Tomassiconsequences that come after that it's I'm not a you know saying that we should be absolved of any of those things the other thing is that uh you're completing what's known as um it's a it's was
02:21:42
Rollo Tomassiapproximate goal versus ultimate goal so so in in an evolutionary perspective I might want like when I met my wife for the first time and I saw her at the club I didn't go hmm I wonder if she'd be a really good mother for my children I
02:21:56
Rollo Tomassiwonder if we could start a family together and we could reproduce and and like my focus is on actually you know breeding with this woman that I just met in the club my focus is on I want to tap that ass that's the proximate goal the
02:22:08
Rollo Tomassiultimate goal is having kids and having a family and everything else now that ultimate goal is something that gets that is also Downstream once again from the biology so proximate goal and
02:22:19
Brian Atlasultimate goal are both Downstream from the biological fact that this is what this is what men are about one thing on biology right so and roller you were making the argument
02:22:31
Brian Atlashey it's kind of based in biology paternity uncertainty um and you sort of objected to that a little bit I at least that was my impression no I didn't object I'm saying the objection could also be based in
02:22:44
Farha/Nikki/Kyliebiology sure um wait what's the objection well no it's the biology made me do it myself and my selfish Gene made me do it I'm saying our evolvement of culture is also biological like like you said
02:22:56
Michael Sartaincultures but it's always but our involvement in culture is always set up so that it fits our biology does that make sense we don't build cities made of sulfur and ammonia right we because that they're toxic to human beings and we don't
02:23:09
Michael Sartaingenerally jump off off our balconies every day we have elevators our societies are created for the safety and procurement of homo sapiens so that's biology leads culture does that make sense in every case biology leads culture but it's never the other way
02:23:22
Brian Atlasaround I think what you were kind of getting at is you were saying well when you have sex with someone you know you mentioned birth control for example well why you know what's the deal with birth
02:23:33
Brian Atlascontrol you know you you recall when you're saying that so I guess my response to you is well if you're kind of saying men should
02:23:44
Brian Atlasdisregard their sort of innate biological response to this then shouldn't women also for example uh disregard their attraction towards men who are tall for example which has a
02:23:55
Farha/Nikki/Kylieroot in biology or sorry go ahead I was saying men already disregard that biological need when they [ __ ] with a condom on because if they're Pro like if their goal is to spread their seed because that's what
02:24:06
Michael Sartainthe biological instinct is but he kind of made the differentiation between approximate desire and then ultimate desire or or a conscious desire and a subconscious desire you have a neocortex that's what celebrates you I'm sorry
02:24:18
Michael Sartaincelebrate separate you from lizards you're you have you can cognitively on your genes have no conscious your genes don't understand what contraceptives are if your genes understood what contraceptives are they never let you
02:24:30
Michael Sartainuse them your genes want to replicate themselves but you cognitively understand what contraceptives are you subconsciously do not and that's where that's where the the the conundrum comes in exactly what Michael said like you
02:24:42
Rosie/Alican you can want to spread your seed that's the objective of sex right but you can also do that at a time where you're not ready to have a kid so your biology your genes everything is telling you like I want to go through with this
02:24:54
Brian Atlasyour brain up here is saying I don't want to right now so it has nothing to do with that argument well I would say also most people are having sex it's more for cat it's like casual it's
02:25:06
Brian Atlasrecreational it's right so yeah excuse me recreational yes um I want to have just a little back and forth with you the thing about the tall preference a little bit but it was more so I guess you said it was a bit of a
02:25:18
Brian Atlasdouble standard right well you say okay when it comes like for example a guy who has a high body count you object to him Desiring a partner who has a low body but then how come short women can desire tall man is that what
02:25:30
Brian Atlasyou're going to ask well you're you're uh preempting me a little bit there but but basically I mean I guess my question to you is it wrong to desire things in a partner
02:25:40
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethat you yourself do not possess no and I don't think that was the basis of my argument we were talking about a study which posits that two virgins have
02:25:50
Brian Atlasthe optimal marriage success rate so I'm saying in that that's not well I think you're shifting a little bit because initially I think you were saying well it's I don't know your exact wording but it sounded like you objected
02:26:02
Farha/Nikki/Kylieto for example a guy who has a high body count Desiring a woman in that specific instance but I'm not saying I'm not making the generalization that you can't want something that you personally lack I was saying in that specific instance
02:26:15
Michael Sartainit doesn't map on because of the study we mentioned where it does matter it's not reasonable to hope to like I'm just going to be honest with you the probability of you the person you marrying being a virgin is infinitesimally low you understand that
02:26:28
Michael Sartainwhy I thought guys are more often virgins than girls it's way harder for guys to get laid no no I agree with that you won't be attracted to them no matter what you tell us about your energy and the connection and the chemistry no no offense like I just don't believe that
02:26:40
Michael Sartainyou fully understand what you're attracted to I think later on once you come to the realization that you keep finding these certain individuals attractive for certain reasons and those reasons have to do with hypergamy uh you're going to come to the realization
02:26:52
Michael Sartainthat the the things that cause those men to be virgins are the reasons why you won't be attracted to them and the likelihood of you finding a man that you have chemistry with it's far more likely with a man who is attractive to the
02:27:04
Michael Sartainopposite sex so the likelihood of you finding a dude who is also a virgin is it becomes progressively lower and probably lower the longer you wait it becomes progressively lower well sorry I just wanted to go back to the point where you said like oh they're [ __ ]
02:27:17
Nevus with condoms because they don't want to have kids kids I think the reason why they're [ __ ] you with condoms not you specifically but in general is because you've made yourself so easy like they don't want to [ __ ] someone who might give them gonorrhea in my opinion I think it's more of a safe no they want
02:27:30
Michael Sartainto [ __ ] other girls that they don't want to get I don't think she's wrong but I don't know where that came from I don't know it's been stuck it's the proximate goal I want to get off with that girl we got a dunk that came out of nowhere but I don't know where that I don't know how
02:27:42
Michael Sartainwe got there there's a loose ball foul yeah it's technical too but you two free throws that was a good good point but I don't know how we got there question for you is that an expectation that you have do you think that's going to happen for
02:27:53
Farha/Nikki/Kylieyou marrying a virgin guy yeah it's not yeah no I don't care like I said I don't conflate selectiveness with body count I've reiterated that several times okay that I don't value the guy being a virgin I want someone who's selective
02:28:05
Justin Wallerand has high standards like I because to me that's what correlates with infidelity so you think there's men out there that would be with you and slept with not slept with women that are less attractive than you wait can you rephrase that so for
02:28:18
Farha/Nikki/Kylieexample if you date a man do you would you expect that all the women that he had slept with would be at your level or higher oh that's not even technically what I meant by selectiveness I more so don't want to date a guy who's so horny and down bad that he gets like one damn from
02:28:30
Female guest (situationship)a girl and he jumps on it does that make sense so that's what I judge Fidelity on that's like the parameter I use not body count okay but it can ask you your question because you're over here saying that you yourself are not selective but you want the guy to be selected when did
02:28:42
Female guest (situationship)I say I'm not someone because I said I'm highly selective care if like fat if they're that they have more money if they have less money I'm selective just using a different metric than
02:28:55
Farha/Nikki/Kylieyou are so you just want them to be like smart and funny basically yeah I would say that's still highly selective the average person is a dumbass the average person is actually average the average person has a 100 IQ I I understand what you're saying the
02:29:07
Brian Atlasaverage person's not a dumbass it's just they're overrepresented by um you know sorry I'm gonna go down a path and get myself in deep [ __ ] sorry yeah and we'll have one we got a couple super chats here coming and I just
02:29:19
Brian Atlaswanted to kind of put a cherry on top on their little conversation so what I was kind of getting at and I don't know if you've kind of almost walked back your position a little bit but I I think it's this whole thing of women objecting for example to a man who has a high body
02:29:33
Brian Atlascount and he doesn't want a woman with a high body counter he wants a woman with a low body count I mean women desire traits in men all the time that they don't possess
02:29:44
Brian Atlasthemselves they want a guy who's funny but they're not funny they want a guy who's rich but she's not rich they want a guy who's charismatic but she's not charismatic so
02:29:55
Brian AtlasI mean I think it's both men and women desire traits in partners that they themselves don't possess men and women are not equal sure if I prefer a brunette guy over blonde that's
02:30:07
Farha/Nikki/Kyliea preference when guys talk about preferring a girl who's a virgin that's not their preference that's a philosophy they're saying a girl who's a virgin they're saying a girl it's a preference it's a preference on the fact that they think that girl is actually going to cheat they think she'll make a better
02:30:20
Farha/Nikki/Kyliewife when I prefer brunette it's not because I think he's gonna be a better husband it's not because I think it'll propagate the nuclear family in America more than a blonde but when they talk about girls with low body counts that's kind of what they're propagating so what you're saying is that it's
02:30:32
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethey're conflating they're complaining I'm saying they're not really referring to preference they're saying there's a reason they use the term low value woman I'm not calling a brunette a high value guy or a blonde a low value guy red pillars will call a girl with a high
02:30:45
Farha/Nikki/Kyliebody count low value and a girl who's a virgin high value so it's not preference they're they're mapping on to what they consider objective versus if I prefer a woman with a low body count isn't that a preference it is but you know the sphere
02:30:58
Michael Sartainwe're referring to the red pill sphere they'll say that's an objective I've never heard of this right pillow sphere is that what we're calling it I thought it was a manosphere
02:31:09
Brian AtlasI don't know why you're attaching this I mean before the red pill is a fairly new I mean within what the past 10 years really 20 years it's a book by the way what marks a preference is subjectivity
02:31:22
Farha/Nikki/Kyliebut when guys talk about girls with low body counts they're typically thinking of it in an objective way so even a guy who's not red pilled they'll probably say this girl with a low body account is objectively better right that's why it's
02:31:33
Michael Sartainstill a preference but that judgment is based on their biology and it's based on subconscious effects that's happened through evolutionary psychology but it's not really a preface
02:31:46
Rollo Tomassibetter for what yeah they do okay every man wants a [ __ ] I don't want to marry that slide every man wants a [ __ ] and he just wants her to be his so if I like brunettes over blondes I'm not gonna say girls prefer
02:31:59
Farha/Nikki/Kyliebrunettes over blunts when guys say I have a preference or low body count typically they say guys prefer girls do you understand why that's not necessarily a preference because they're not they're not speaking specifically for themselves that's why I'm saying it's more of a philosophy I prefer I
02:32:11
Michael Sartainprefer vanilla ice cream over poop ice cream and that's because of my genetics like that's the reason why let's go back let's go back to this other thing you were saying how about this double standard I know several men and I have several clients that are under six feet
02:32:23
Michael Sartaintall and they don't get chosen by women shockingly some of them don't get they have a harder time with women than taller men that preference is also based in evolution and we as men are fully aware of it do you think that's also a double standard that women have towards
02:32:36
Farha/Nikki/Kyliemen do women create a culture of podcasting and memes ridiculing men who are under six feet tall yes
02:32:47
Michael Sartaincall her daddy I don't yes call her daddy the biggest podcast in the world 50 million dollars I'm just saying I have yet to see I have yet to see a blue pill podcast no it's not blue pill podcast because they don't no there's all these things what do you call a guy
02:32:59
Michael Sartainwho's 511 a friend you haven't seen this meme watch anything by Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh they crucify men admit and they actually show when you look at dating apps it goes they show Tinder Bumble and hinge they show a distribution of what women
02:33:12
Michael Sartainfind attractive and six three is actually the prime number which you get above six three six six it actually starts to drop at six feet tall you're still really high it goes six feet and at five eleven it plummets this doesn't happen in Europe because they use the
02:33:23
Michael Sartainmetric system the United States at 5 11 they it plummets yes men do get ridiculed for being short yes they do this is not being ridiculed they're not being chosen selectively and
02:33:35
Michael Sartainthey're being made fun of for being short I hear women all the time I listen to women talk all the time and one of the main complaints is he this is he's a great guy but he's too short so women are not ridiculed yeah no no no that's literally in that instance preference no
02:33:47
Nevlisten because when I said I wouldn't [ __ ] a fat [ __ ] you got mad but all of a sudden now that height is into the equation for men like first of all I wasn't the one okay some of you got mad
02:33:59
Nevat the whole entire fat [ __ ] thing so it's it's we're not mad anymore we've moved on that was like about like an hour ago like that has everything to do with it like because height it's in well it's a
02:34:12
Rollo Tomassibiological thing okay that's another thing is it's it's it's an innate preference if you if you if you want to use those terms but there's a difference between saying I want a girl who's got like a brunette girl in a a blonde girl
02:34:24
Rollo Tomassiwhatever that's yeah that's a fetish a preference whatever but the reason why I am uh hesitant to get with a single mommy is because I have a hundred thousand two hundred thousand years of
02:34:34
Rollo Tomassievolution that says that woman is provably already raising the child or I would have to raise the child of another man right there so that hesitancy is not
02:34:45
Rollo Tomassia preference it is a biological adaptation to be aware that I if I go and I put my resources towards raising that you know participating in the
02:34:56
TTS/Donationsparental investment of another man's child hold on just a second here Khalifa you're failing to understand that the double standard of Promise QT applies to
02:35:06
TTS/Donationsmarriage men want female virgins for marriage per Institute for family studies multiple sex partners reduced marital quality for women but not men Alvin Sam thanks for the big 200 donor
02:35:19
Farha/Nikki/Kylieappreciate it yeah I would say in general women aren't necessarily more or less attracted to men based off their body count but if we're trying to propagate the healthiest and most successful institution of marriage that's based off both Partners
02:35:31
Michael Sartainbeing virgins until marriage the original point you made was about a double standard and the thing is let's bring up one more part about this double standard for me being afraid to be with a woman who's been with 80 guys there's
02:35:42
Michael Sartainactual studies that show from an evolutionary standpoint Institute for family studies the study he just brought up there's actual studies that show that that could be deleterious for my relationship for you to choose a man
02:35:53
Michael Sartainwho's under six feet tall some of the best fighters on the planet are under six feet tall some of the baddest Marines and Navy Seals on Earth are under six feet tall probably most of them and so the point is where you're
02:36:05
Michael Sartainprovisioning the reason why women prefer tall men is for protection the the protection Paradigm doesn't fit anymore in 2023 because a guy who's six five six can buy a Glock it's a different world now so what we have to believe as far as
02:36:18
Michael Sartainour prejudice against a woman with a biology high body count still is effective it's still an effective protection for us in 2023 but women choosing taller men is actually irrational it's actually irrational Jeff
02:36:31
Michael SartainBezos like it's actually irrational for you to do that do you understand what I'm saying that's the reason why for our preference both of these preferences are based in evolution but our preference actually still makes sense whereas the preference for tall men actually and I'm saying this is a guy six two uh the
02:36:44
Michael Sartainpreference for tall men actually doesn't make sense anymore it doesn't and that's that's the thing that's so crazy about it so I actually think the the for women men choosing women with a low body count actually makes more sense from an evolutionary standpoint is not a philosophy and is actually just a
02:36:57
Brian Atlaspreference that's based on evolution you see and just one thing really quick you said that uh you seem to have an issue if we use the plural so if an indiv on an individual level a guy says
02:37:09
Brian AtlasI don't want a girl with a high body count you consider that a preference but if a guy were to say men generally speaking don't want women who are promiscuous or don't want women with
02:37:20
Farha/Nikki/Kyliehigh body count then that becomes a what I said that's a philosophy I didn't say it's a philosophy because it's a plurality I said it's a philosophy because it's usually tied to the idea that like this is what's better for society the downfall of Western Society
02:37:33
Brian Atlasit's because of female promiscuity that's usually what gets conflated and with this idea with low body count well I mean you're taking an interest interesting direction would it also be a philosophy then to say that if a woman were to say generally speaking women
02:37:46
Farha/Nikki/Kylieprefer men who are tall is that a philosophy or is that just an acknowledgment of it's a philosophy if they talk about it in a reciprocal way to the way they just did so if I were to say tall men are
02:37:59
Farha/Nikki/Kylieobjectively better and if I was like a tall man's supremacist because I said you know short men are less than tall men are what we need for protection but usually women aren't even necessarily thinking about protection like he was saying it's kind of a false equivalency they are still attracted to they are but
02:38:12
Farha/Nikki/Kyliehe was asking what delineates between the preference and the philosophy so that was my answer bro
02:38:26
Aspenmy question is I know that the height thing is actually like a real issue for girls hold on just a second junior thank you I appreciate it men following model
02:38:36
TTS/Donationstypes doesn't mean they want one social media is an illusion a cheater is a cheater with Slash out social media listen to water feminism pushed both
02:38:47
TTS/Donationsinto working of ladies lost trust to be dependent on men and let them lead study seven to zero yo I've been thinking for the 200 Big 200 uh Super Chat man really appreciate it thank you uh you can take us to Burger King with all these two
02:38:59
Michael Sartainhundred dollars let's go make Mike Davis Rich come on he's already rich he's got 300 [ __ ] Burger Kings we got a couple hand raises here so uh while we we'll go yeah Aspen
02:39:12
Aspenthen we'll go you then we'll go you guys my question was how can we so I really liked your point about it actually still being a problem for women to have high body counts but it's really not a problem for
02:39:24
Michael Sartainguys to be short and date them how do we help girls get over this um I mean there's I mean there's a lot of ways to do this I actually think a function of gratitude and maybe here's the issue that happens and this
02:39:38
Michael Sartainisn't the solution but this is part of the problem what happens is a girl will go through her life and she'll be pretty average on social media there's no average for men men are really good on social media they look terrible for women women can be average and still
02:39:50
Michael Sartainslide into a celebrity's DMS and still have sex with a celebrity right there's numerous stories about Leonardo DiCaprio numerous about different guys just running through girls throughout
02:39:59
Michael SartainHollywood okay Chris Brown uh Nick Cannon Etc right and their rosters Never End okay when it comes to that the problem is is once she has sex with Blake Griffin the first time or Nick
02:40:11
Michael SartainCannon or whoever every man from that point afterwards she compares to or rather she measures her value based on the fact that she [ __ ] an NBA power forward now every guy after that has to
02:40:22
Michael Sartaincompare to the NBA power forward and when he doesn't because of his finances or his height or whatever reason she has an easier Escape Route it's easier to pull the rip cord and to gout because she's already knows that she could have
02:40:34
Michael Sartainsex with a guy in her mind maybe she can change him she can she can be the one to wife him up or for for her to be wifed up and I see this several times where I have a lot of my female friends who are delusional who live in uh Los Angeles
02:40:47
Michael Sartainand they're saying yeah so and so I used to date so and so and I'm like no you didn't I know him and his wife I'm sure he [ __ ] you I have no doubt whatsoever that dude never claimed you for one [ __ ] second in his life and I've seen
02:40:59
Michael Sartainthis happen over and over again and these girls legitimately defined their own attractiveness and their standard by some celebrity they had sex with or the it could be let's take it all the way back you're in high school and it's the quarterback of the football team or it's
02:41:11
Michael Sartainthe manager at the Denny's let's bring it way down it's still like that and so when that happens you end up with women having for lack of a better term delusional beliefs about what their levels of attractiveness are and so now
02:41:22
Michael Sartaineveryone has to be at that at that range and now they have what's called dopamine resets Dr Andrew huberman talks about this their double I mean resets to the point where like they can only feel attraction for these men who are at
02:41:33
Michael Sartainthese like levels and then once they hit 30 you know once they hit you know the end of their once they get to an epiphany phase and all of a sudden those things don't become quite as important and that's another another evolutionary
02:41:45
Michael Sartainadaptation because now they look back in the now when they were 23 and didn't want to settle down and wanted to date the power forward now they're 30 they look back and now there's a 23 year old who is dating that power forward and he's not calling her
02:41:56
Michael Sartainback anymore or if he does it's just for sex and so that's the problem and so a cognitive right for women a cognitive recognition that this is the cycle that you're going through and then deciding to not go through that cycle that's the only thing that I can tell you I mean
02:42:10
Michael Sartainit's hard yeah it sounds like you have to actually rewire your brain and realize the good that you have to understand the situations you are in an exceptional amount of gratitude for the situation
02:42:21
Aspenthat you're in yeah I think the other good qualities that the guy might have and raise those higher than his height you literally celebrity you had sex with foreign
02:42:37
Rollo TomassiI asked you like are your standards or are your uh the guys you've dated in your past are they different than the guy you idealized as being the guy who would be you know uh the guy who's aligned with God and every you know a
02:42:49
Rollo Tomassigood long-term relationship the reason is because when women get to be about 28 29 30 31 years old is what I call the Epiphany phase and that's when women start to re-prioritize those things so when she was like 18 years old she might be looking for nothing but the hottest
02:43:02
Rollo Tomassiguy that she can get with like an athlete a rock star whatever it is because that's the that's the sexual energy or whatever you want to call it that she really she is at the peak of her game and she can get that once she
02:43:13
Rollo Tomassigets down to be about 29 30 31 years old it's not that she doesn't want a hot guy she does it's just that the priority switches where he's got to have a better job or he's got to love his mom or he wants to have kids or he wants to love God and go forward and I think that that
02:43:26
Aspenis happening to me like I think that's actually starting to happen where it feels like I'm just maturing and being like Oh like what are these more important qualities because because you're thinking in the long term finally I want somebody that's hot and Tall well
02:43:39
Rollo Tomassiyou're coming out of you're coming out of what not my words you're coming out of What's called the whole phase 18 to 28 years old that's winter at the party I I was nice I called it the party exploration yes because you can afford
02:43:50
Rollo Tomassito do that like when when women say uh you know men ain't [ __ ] and when women say uh I men are threatened by powerful or women or men are threatened by powerful men or they have fragile egos
02:44:00
Rollo Tomassior where are all the good guys those women tend to be 29 30 31 years old or older than that because that becomes a priority for them at that point you don't hear that from from younger women it's just it's funny because I have a
02:44:12
Aspenlot of friends that are my age and they're they're virgins and they're single and they're going to be amazing partners and I so hearing what you're saying is actually making it make more
02:44:23
Aspensense but I do also feel that closer to the mic I do also feel that the guys aren't taking responsibility and yeah you're correct in that assumption and so it's like there's like this trade-off
02:44:36
Aspenlike we're gonna not I wouldn't say lower our standards but we're our priorities are switching and then the guys I think are starting to wake up at that age too
02:44:48
Rollo Tomassifor sure I would I would also argue that uh when you get to be 29 30 31 years old you also got to remember that that coincides with when women say my biological clock is ticking which is actually untrue it was really probably
02:45:00
Rollo Tomassiwhen you were 22 23 years old and then on top of that what is the uh the uh average age of first marriage in the United States 29 for 29 30 for men and 28 29 for women so all coincides right
02:45:12
Brian Atlasat that point conveniently let's get a couple of super chats in here did you guys still have a point you had a hand raise earlier we can get to it after the chance sure we can come back to it if you guys remember all right Dave on
02:45:24
KikiJackson thanks for the 100 AV can you read this one yo can you all [ __ ] chill with these am I allowed to say that word I just blank over it blink asks open-ended questions nobody gives a [ __ ] my friends be funny make a comment
02:45:37
Kikior shut the [ __ ] up please and thank you all so far is that Mr girl levels of never answering a question without a thorough meta combo first word
02:45:48
Mixed panelno he's right but then again I'm just talking you got to realize that I'm 18. I'm way younger than everybody else in this panel wait wait
02:46:00
Mixed panelwait I'm not way younger but then again as you said I have a right to be in my home page right now so anything I shoot out yeah well no one has a right one I said you were in here
02:46:12
Mixed paneldeserves got nothing to do with it desserts got nothing to do with it you just get to do it you do it or you don't do it I do it but then again I I do believe in a relationship I strongly do believe in a relationship but going forward right now I don't see that
02:46:25
Mixed panelbecause that does not benefit me in any way I I need somebody that benefits me that helps me push me to my goal and if you don't do that then there's you don't need a man exactly and so I just be the
02:46:38
Mixed panelman and I play the man for so long until someday one guy will walk up to me and be that male lead and show me that you know that I don't need like I will have to be more of a man than you are exactly and he'll have to be into men exactly as
02:46:52
Rollo Tomassiwell because you're the you're you become the man you want to marry why why would you want to get like why would guy want to get with another guy if he was Assuming
02:47:03
Rollo Tomassihe's had a second that's true but then again I do have female qualities it's not just because it's just a front do you think that you should develop those female well you're 18 right of course do you think that perhaps maybe you need to lean into your feminine a little bit
02:47:17
Mixed panelof course so down the line I will experience but right now I'm so focused on many different qualities just like how some people want to be doctors how some people want to be lawyers I'm I'm 18. I'm starting out from that uh-huh
02:47:36
Mixed panelso if I get into a relationship how does that push me to become a nurse what does that male do to push me to be a nurse does he tell me to wake up from time to go to my classes does he tell me to pay
02:47:48
Rollo Tomassidoes he pay for mine thank you for agreeing with my tweet from this week okay
02:47:56
Nevum you're setting yourself up for failure in a way if you're like doing your whole face is so early like you're not going to end up with meaningful relationships if you keep it up you know speaking of
02:48:06
Mixed panelhaving a meaningful relationship two different things there's also a main person and there's a side person well as a guy there's there's always going to be some guys out there there's going to be
02:48:18
Mixed panela Mane and there's going to be a sigh the maid will always get mad at you at everything every little thing this is your philosophy at 18 years old Jesus Christ I I have seen so many things I'm telling you I think I have seen so many
02:48:30
Mixed panelthings and as a female you know as a guy you know you don't want a girl constantly down your throat asking me where you are who you're with and where are you going you know that's why a side person aside doesn't really ask you that
02:48:43
Mixed panelthey just sleep with you one day and sleep with you another whenever you ask you always have that side person to talk to to rant to vent can I can I redirect a cereal you've been the side person of course I've been assigned I have been the main I have played all this from
02:48:55
Rollo Tomassitype let me um let me see if I can redirect her because we actually got on this tangent because the ladies were asking us what is our like our ideal mate right I mean I'm I'm just going to
02:49:06
Rollo Tomassiread back because he came up with a very a lot of the stuff I'm pretty much whenever we're on it's like I kind of let you pick up half of it and I'll pick up the other half of the other half is this is that I don't want
02:49:18
Rollo Tomassia woman who is submissive I want a woman who has genuine desire for me so when you talk about only fans I want a woman who is going to give up only fans without being asked that I am the one
02:49:31
Rollo Tomassithat she wants to say you know what I don't want there to be any [ __ ] confusion whether or not I am into this guy and I really want to be with this guy so I am going to take it upon myself to uh to close my Instagram account
02:49:43
Rollo Tomassiclose my only fans account because this is I'm a ride or die girl this guy is the one for me I don't want to have babies I want to have his babies this is the guy that I want I want her to be so [ __ ] sure of that that she's going to
02:49:56
Rollo Tomassichange her religion and she's going to follow me across the ocean to my homeland and stay with me because she has that level of desire for me it's not submissive it's not a slave enslavement
02:50:07
Rollo Tomassiit is desire so much desire on the part of that woman for that guy that she wants to be with him no matter what ride or die she's going to break me out of prison why would it not I've we have asked this on access bank several times and I think
02:50:21
Rollo Tomassithe question we need to be asking is this is especially for the ladies on the panel here is if you met the right guy and you have only fans or you have an Instagram account would you take it upon
02:50:32
Rollo Tomassiyourself would you have the insight to say you know what I don't want this guy to think that I'm actually advertising my sexuality to anyone else I'm going to take that down on my own without having to be asked would you do that absolutely
02:50:45
Mixed panelif it was the right if he was a ride or die girl I would give him my passwords I would delete everything and everything right everything because I would want that security I want to have that security
02:50:57
Rollo Tomassiwith my partner would you say so what would you sacrifice and what would you and would you occur to you to want to delete your only fans delete your Instagram delete any of it because you're you don't want to advertise
02:51:10
Rollo Tomassiyourself and you don't want there to be any confusion with that guy of course and I I need that to you need to be direct you need to tell me face to face you do it yourself you have that much desire to say you know what you say he
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Mixed paneldoesn't need to ask me I don't need to know what the boundaries are I already know what they are and I'm gonna do it myself there's a process before that there's a process one thing I would say is this about it
02:51:34
Justin Walleris that I would argue that that might not be in some girls Consciousness at 18. so although I agree with Rolo him telling you directly and you being able to do it with no problem and knowing that's exactly what you want to do because
02:51:47
Rollo Tomassiyou're so in love with him you have that true didn't even desire would be acceptable in my opinion I think you would agree with that yeah I would I would agree with that but see the problem is you get into this this quandary I guess because usually what
02:51:59
Rollo Tomassithey say is if the guy asked you to to delete your account would you do it then that's insecure then what they'll say is well if he was the right guy he wouldn't be asking me no what I'm asking is if
02:52:09
Rollo Tomassihe's the ideal guy would you think would it be a concept in your head an insight to say I better I better cut this [ __ ] out yes I don't want this to be taken the wrong
02:52:21
Female guest (situationship)way but I'm going to say no due to the fact that for example only fans I don't have it she does right you have Instagram right you have an answer I do have an Instagram but I'm just saying for for example only friends because she is making an income out of it if she's talking to someone and she all of a
02:52:35
Female guest (situationship)sudden just stops doing only fans she has no income and then that dude just ends up not being that person she can have a feeling like oh this person but that dude is like Justin Waller he's taking care of everything for you okay you want to come in go ahead yeah I just
02:52:46
Rosie/Aliwanted to say like even when I'm talking to somebody because I have a boyfriend now and I've been talking to him we got together recently so that's it was important to me to make sure that I was talking to only him even
02:53:00
Rosie/Aliwhen we were just in the talking phase so I think this whole idea like oh there's people on the sides and even just giving up like your socials and stuff I'd do it in a heartbeat because immediately I cut off every guy when I'm
02:53:12
Rosie/Alijust talking to this man he had my phone passwords I said here go through my Snapchat like it's all yours because it's important to show that you're committed before you even start the relationship that's how he knows let me let me can I that's really good
02:53:25
Rollo Tomassiobservation because the the follow-up to this is this is you were talking about double standards just a minute ago okay so when a man and a woman get together into in some kind of relationship men when they are trying to get with a girl
02:53:38
Rollo Tomassithey're the ones who have to sell themselves because of performance we have to be the ones who can qualify we have to look good we have to have a a good job we have to be funny I mean you think about the criteria that men have to have to actually get in a woman's
02:53:50
Rollo Tomassipants much less have a relationship with that woman men have to sell themselves on performance women on the other hand advertise themselves on the sexual Marketplace so whether that's Instagram
02:54:01
Rollo Tomassior that's only fans or however you're doing it women are the advertisers men are the ones who are the salesmen we're the pitchmen we're trying to get you to to accept us as an intimate okay so and
02:54:13
Rollo Tomassisome of them some of us have a much easier time of this other guys have to actually work their asses have to ask work their asses off to do that right so for the record I work my ass off you know he's trying to say you're too
02:54:27
Rollo Tomassiso when you when you get into a relationship the if it's closed on her end and closed on your end what that means is that that guy can no longer sell himself on the sexual Marketplace he can't pitch himself because he will be a cheater right if he's trying to go
02:54:40
Rollo Tomassiget with a waitress and you're in a relationship and he's trying to he's flirting with her and trying to promote himself to get to to sell his sexuality to that person we call that cheating but yet when women still advertise
02:54:52
Rollo Tomassithemselves on only fans on Instagram we don't have problem with that or women say it's my my only source of income or whatever and that's the hot that's the hard part of this is we've attached that
02:55:02
Rollo Tomassiadvertising to women's revenue streams right now but we it's okay for men or for us to call men who would advertise themselves in a relationship we or pitch themselves in a relationship we call
02:55:14
Rollo Tomassithem cheaters but we don't say the same thing for women who are advertising themselves and that's why I was saying advertise themselves once they are in that relationship if it is closed on his head and closed on her and it should
02:55:26
Rollo Tomassioccur to you to say I'm going to take all my I'm going to stop advertising my my sexy ass I'm not saying you know delete your Instagram but take down the thong pictures take down the sexualized pictures so that there is no
02:55:38
Rollo Tomassium there's no confusion do you guys know what a soft launch is somebody knows what a soft launch is soft launch is when women have a new boyfriend and they don't show the boyfriend immediately they'll show like hands together or they'll show like a
02:55:51
Rollo Tomassifeed on the beach or some [ __ ] like that because women know that they will lose market share on their advertising if they show a guy and suddenly that availa that that promise that fantasy of availability goes away the reason why
02:56:04
Rollo Tomassiwomen get upset about that is because they're still advertising from within a relationship where the guy has stopped but the woman has not stopped advertising okay two things what you just said the last part advertising in
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Farha/Nikki/Kylietwo different ways in terms of advertising on only fans yes 100 if I was dating a guy I don't know if I would advertise it because that would affect my business but not every woman most women are not only fans are you saying that like they wouldn't show hands
02:56:28
Rollo Tomassibecause they still want to Monkey branch and for men to pursue them nothing to do with monkey faction what it mean what it has to do is the perception of your availability is limited it is curtailed
02:56:39
Rollo Tomassiby having the boyfriend in the the shots on the phone photos with you for example there is a series of photos of I and I don't know the name sorry but the uh the uh professional soccer players with
02:56:51
Rollo Tomassitheir wives and their girlfriends and you look at their Instagram they're on the same Beach and the same video no nudes no nothing you look at their
02:57:01
Rollo Tomassigirlfriends or their wives Instagram and same Beach just the girl that's all alone sitting in the surf and and uh and looking sexy if you look at like so was it Aisha Curry and Stephen Curry like
02:57:14
Rollo Tomassishe still wants to even after she's with Stephen Curry Stephen Curry for example he signed a deal for 500 million and she still wants she's on red table talk wanting to uh still say hey I want to be on on Instagram I still want to
02:57:27
Rollo Tomassiadvertise myself I still want to be sad I still want other men to find me sexy that's what I mean by advertising it's not necessarily like the I mean the only fans think yeah you're advertising yourself sexually when you do that but it's not just that and it's not just um
02:57:40
Rollo Tomassiit's not just like the the soft launch it is the fact that you are still there advertising while you would have a conniption fit if the guy was out there flirting with the waitress because he's he's following his sexual imperatives
02:57:52
Farha/Nikki/Kyliewhile he has to curtail his and you're not I think I have something good to see with this it's not a double standard I don't know what it's not that um like anything I mean it's fine if you if you want to do only fans or whatever and that's how you want to make your money
02:58:03
Farha/Nikki/Kyliethat is fine but then if you do have that you cannot come then and say I want to find my perfect man I've never I've never had only fans I've never started only fans I never will have an Olympians
02:58:13
Farha/Nikki/Kyliebecause I like one of my goals in life that I knew that I was going to want to have whether that be like now which it has happened for me now I got lucky like it happened for me um and I don't have an only fans so
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Farha/Nikki/Kyliethat's proof that it can happen and that it happened because of that right that I have like the man the perfect man that like I think that I would want that I would want to have is sitting right next to me so that is proof that for that but