Breckie Hill & Rachel Brockman HEATED DEBATE | Dating Talk #62

Date: 2023-03-13

Duration: 4h 38m

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SPEAKER_01okay so what is your most controversial dating take or opinion Brey come back to me I need to think about our dog what you got our dog I know you got something for me no I'm trying to

SPEAKER_02think our dog our dog actually come back to me I'll have okay I got you I got you Lisle what you got for me um this is a hard question wait I guess one is what are you what is you guys' take on being

SPEAKER_02friends with the opposite gender I know that's like a big thing when you're in a relationship wait what being friends like having friends of the opposite you can have friends of the opposite sex I

SPEAKER_01don't think I have any female friends come to think of it um I I think it's bad luck to be honest I I don't think I would be comfortable dating a girl who had a bunch of male friends

SPEAKER_01especially guys that she friendzoned who previously showed a sexual interest in her that's I would that's a lot of I guess that's understandable yeah like if I had um a friend who had a crush on me

SPEAKER_01I could see why my boyfriend wouldn't want me to Fe friends with person like not because I would do anything but like you're going to have to hide that soon Carson I'm pretty sure that's going to come through as a as a TTS here pretty

SPEAKER_05soon continue though um shoot I forgot what I was saying friends relationships oh yeah so I think it's okay to have friends of the opposite sex I think it's all about

SPEAKER_05boundaries trust and uh but I feel like I'm not like cool with like friends like if you have an ex or like someone who you had a crush on previously because like it's not like 100% something's

SPEAKER_05going to happen but it definitely is awkward and I wouldn't like I would drop a friend if my boyfriend wanted me to like oh he had a crush on you I don't have to his friend super

SPEAKER_00chated $500 Mr North Dakota oil field here there are plenty of good men that work but you you need to get out of liberal states that's so

SPEAKER_01true California Stan um yo Mar Coons thank you for the uh big is the FPS [ __ ] on this [ __ ] is

SPEAKER_01going on on my computer oh my God scuffed it's [ __ ] can go for it and Mark if you're looking for a sugar baby

SPEAKER_01yeah Haram Mark don't do it do not do it Mark um yo Mark thank you for the big $100 Super Chat man really appreciate that

SPEAKER_01you're [ __ ] Legend um speaking of oil fields hold on here uh would any of you

SPEAKER_12date an oil man hell yeah they make money an oil man an oil man yeah I don't see the problem what huh sorry I said I don't

SPEAKER_01see the problem sorry I we need you to pronunciate Rachel our dog pronunciate pronunciate that is not a word pronunciate enunciate did I hold on

SPEAKER_01we're going to fact cheate pronunciate you know what you just got back oh hold on let me [ __ ] fix that make of Rachel's mumbling did I

SPEAKER_01get damn so if hold on if I if I'm correct that pronunciate is actually a word I think it's like enunciate because then there's

SPEAKER_01pronounce it's yeah if pronunciate is actually a word Mary I'm going to need you to do something for me what is

SPEAKER_01it chill um all right you're going to have to uh do the uh Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg

SPEAKER_01Address I'm sure you've committed it to memory I no be honest come on I haven't you seem like you did theater I no I did not I wouldn't be around that many do

SPEAKER_01you know at least like the first paragraph no you don't know the first paragraph no you'd have to provide me a script

SPEAKER_01okay pronunciate is pronunciate a word According to wiary second person plural present

SPEAKER_01active imperative of pronounce pronounce pronuncio what the [ __ ] is that oh but

SPEAKER_01apparently it okay in any case wait what forget that Mark Coons is an oil man so

SPEAKER_03would you date an oil man what me just any of you God uh oh you're trying to distract from from the fact that pronunciate isn't a

SPEAKER_03word um yeah I guess hypothetically guys who work on oil rigs are pretty

SPEAKER_09manly I drink your you know have you have any of you seen There Will Be Blood I drink it up the critically acclaimed film starring Daniel D Lewis

SPEAKER_01you're aging yourself no 2017 that was like P was it maybe 20 like eight or seven Great film Daniel LS hello okay

SPEAKER_01all right Jesus Christ all right um what let me what was the suit were we on the Super Chat that got interrupted I forgot um oh most controversial dating

SPEAKER_03take so you were saying remind me what it was um being friends with the opposite oh yeah being friends yeah that's I think you can be me too I think there's a certain level of

SPEAKER_03closeness um that is not possible between a friendship of the opposite sex okay like wait oh continue there well there are

SPEAKER_03ways that women and men simply can't relate to each other um as closely and therefore there's a certain yeah limit to how close you can be as friends just

SPEAKER_04because of that okay okay do you guys have male friends yeah yes yes I would say more male friends that I'm closer with than female friends okay um I have

SPEAKER_01a lot of gay friends or do you have a male any male friends have one one I have male friends you guys over here no I don't have male friends okay what about you I have a few wow you're like a mile away

SPEAKER_01from that microphone there I have a few okay um so you guys have male friends strict just friends yeah um are they do you know if they're in relationships or are

SPEAKER_01they single some of them are okay um I want you to text one of your male friends who's currently single I want you to text him right now and see if he's down to hook up can you do can you guys all do that I

SPEAKER_03know that there would be some that would well let's try just text one I wouldn't even feel comt if there was some that would how do you know that they're not just waiting around thinking like what if that doesn't mean they're not my

SPEAKER_04friend I just won't let it happen well I think if it's not like they're also doing that like they're not like flirting with me when we're hanging out that would make me un super

SPEAKER_00$999 how narcissistic does one have to be to believe the world has to change to justify their behavior and how it affects their loved ones yo Clint Torres

SPEAKER_01thank you for the TTS man appreciate it um oh I've seen him in my chat oh what's up Clint okay um so how

SPEAKER_09narcissistic are you H are you narcissist n Nicollet I think I'm confident I wouldn't say narcissistic word I think you have to be diagnosed for that what are you diagnosed with

SPEAKER_01nothing what medications do you take right now nothing just weed just weed birth control yes okay um let's text the

SPEAKER_01male friends okay uh as a group let's figure out the they don't you think they know that you're on a stream right now no okay actually are they in

SPEAKER_01La most of them are in Miami and Minnesota okay we'll pretend that you're there just be like so who's the guy that you're going to text where where is he um I'm just going to text my friend Bri cuz he called me yesterday what a Chad

SPEAKER_01what a great name okay is it with an i or a y though what b r i a n [ __ ] Legend okay um where is he um he's at

SPEAKER_04Miami of Ohio he goes to college there Ohio he's in Ohio Miami of Ohio that's the school wow that's a mistake right I have to like clarify I went to University of Miami I've heard of it yeah I've heard of it um so he's in Ohio so you're going to tell them hey what's

SPEAKER_01up I'm in Ohio it's [ __ ] midnight on a Sunday [ __ ] okay are there any male friends you have in La I mean you can try to text

SPEAKER_01them and say just text them just text a few be like hey what's up oh he would say say yeah just be like hey it's

SPEAKER_12breakfasty baby Carson just get reactions um okay so wait I'm gonna do a different guy okay I have one in mind and Rachel while we're doing that you got to text a dude well I wouldn't feel

SPEAKER_12comfortable texting any of my guy like but you afterwards you say this is a podcast weird and honestly most of my guy friends are like gay guys they're

SPEAKER_01gay yeah like literally gay or just like literally literally gay like yeah okay what other way hey that's even that's no that's weird that's even better right not only are you tempting them out of

SPEAKER_04the Friendship you're tempting them out of their sexuality okayed he said no way huh I just said Brian I just landed in Ohio oh wait well say what you want to say why are you here she didn't ask a

SPEAKER_01question well what do you want what do you want me to say just be like uh are you originally from Ohio no from Minnesota just be like um I'm in Ohio

SPEAKER_01for a collab with Roman Atwood um cuz he's in what is he in Columbus no just say that you came to just see him bro that's

SPEAKER_01[ __ ] say you're here for a collab with a [ __ ] I think he I don't know be like anyway I can crash with you no no no no be like hey what are are you

SPEAKER_01down to what would be believable um say want to hook up question mark no uh he knows I would you want to grab lunch no that's not that's so like

SPEAKER_0130-year-old do this be a bit vague say what are you what are you doing right now winky face that's good no maybe like

SPEAKER_04AEG wait I'm just going to do eggplant Emoji oh my God maybe maybe water drops too which one should I do

SPEAKER_03um here Lauren can you do it too maybe do the one with the squiggly line for a mou I do it okay he's I feel like I'm going to make him so uncomfortable Lauren text your male friend who live well wherever he lives

SPEAKER_01and see if he wants to hook up did you send it yeah okay um is he t let us know if he's starts typing okay who are you going to text Lauren like Chester

SPEAKER_01I have a lot of friends don't know to just do three text three yes I want you to ruin your relationships tonight on my podcast

SPEAKER_04Lauren um here wait what do I anybody else want to do this while we're oh God he said I'm about to go to bed I have an exam in the

SPEAKER_01morning be like well you could be a bit more direct you could be like listen he is single right I think so the guy has to be single otherwise this wasn't well his

SPEAKER_04ex-girlfriend didn't like me because he was like liking my pictures but I was like I've known him since kindergarten so okay be like hey can I come over [ __ ] can I come over to just say

SPEAKER_01cuddle just say are you down to cuddle are you down to cuddle I he knows I wouldn't say that I'm not I'm sorry I would all right are you down to you wouldn't say that what would you

SPEAKER_03say are you someone in the chat said I've got something you can exam oh my God it's hilarious Sarah can you do this said what are you doing you friends right he's in Savannah Georgia yeah just

SPEAKER_10be like yo what's up I'm in I'm in ATL and I have one male friend does he have a girlfriend no hit them up no well no I'm not there

SPEAKER_03be like yo I'm an ATL the only male friend that I have I'm relatively close to is gay all right but but I also have this theory that like when women have gay male friends they

SPEAKER_03try to encourage them to dump their boyfriend even though they're not trying to get with them they want the like gay men want their female friends to be single word a lot of the time word I'll

SPEAKER_04have to did you text I did but I don't think they would respond try a few more he's still typing oh he's typing I said I came to see you damn I miss you oh what the [ __ ] is that ruined SC he said

SPEAKER_04I miss you too how long long are you staying and then he loved the message okay he harded this can I come over like yeah can I come over tonight question mark winky face do you want me

SPEAKER_04to say tonight or tomorrow tonight tonight or right now don't hide behind the microphone you're hiding behind the microphone there you go okay I said can I come over

SPEAKER_02tonight though I can come right now o okay what you got for us Lauren I I texted three people and they didn't respond my friends are terrible you texted well it takes time what did you text them I just said hey oh my well

SPEAKER_01I'm waiting cuz I need to know they're going to respond yeah but there needs to be a sense of urgency so D you're going to double text I know or call them no we can't do that but um my bad we can't

SPEAKER_01well oh recording a phone call wir tapping felony that whole thing um Lauren here's what I want you to do I want you to text them all you're going to double text them and you're going to say listen I've had a crush on you for

SPEAKER_01years oh Lord just kidding don't say that I want you to say I want you to say I'm myin I've been meing your

SPEAKER_01Aesthetics do you wish to engage in a courtship process don't say that okay just be like yo what are you doing tonight I want to hang out just say there's something that you need to tell

SPEAKER_01him say I I really need to tell you something important no that's terrible don't say that sorry Mary um say say I'm trying to see you what are you doing

SPEAKER_01right now are you DTF is that that's so 2008 that's not bad right DTF question mark no one says just DTF question mark no

SPEAKER_08one says no one says that is this like Jersey Shore yeah that's exactly what I was thinking um okay how about how about just hey Netflix and is that still a thing no people don't say that they

SPEAKER_00don't say that anymore just say do you want a cuddle cudd wait but that could be like platonic taken platonically can it you platonically cuddle with Chambers super chated

SPEAKER_00$99.99 hey Brian you're awesome give me a shout out to me and Jessica all I want you're a great man who's

SPEAKER_01Jessica maybe who's Jessica shout out to me and Jessica uh shout oh

SPEAKER_01shout out to Aaron Chambers and Jessica thank you sir you're a great man appreciate it Aaron Chambers thank you man

SPEAKER_10um Sarah text Savannah Georgia see I would feel bad doing that because we actually um hooked up no we

SPEAKER_10like met on hinge originally oh that's even a bigger yikes yeah so did you you met on hinge did you friends own him yeah it was just like it

SPEAKER_10was a really hard time that I was going through and I actually was like I just went fully celibate like we'd gone on a couple of dates and really like vibed as like human beings and then um but I just

SPEAKER_10like needed to take time what wait so hold on explain that like um I was on hinge

SPEAKER_10like open to dating and then something happened and I was no longer open to dating and we had already gone out a couple times and we were like we had a great time but it was a very like friendly

SPEAKER_10atmosphere like we would joke around and so he all of his friends are actually girls so he's just kind of like a girls guy oh so when I told him that I was does he meet them all on hinge uh no but

SPEAKER_10when I told him that I was like celibate and that I was like no longer on the dating scene um then he wanted to like still be friends I completely was open to not never like talking to him again

SPEAKER_10because I didn't I've never friendzoned someone and I don't want to um but he wanted to stay friends but I would still feel bad to text him right now and be like wait so you were in the middle of

SPEAKER_01dating him you were on a dating app and then you Midway through dating him became celibate yeah you said something happen are we talking like sa something yeah bad that's yikes okay

SPEAKER_01so so he was really understanding okay um so so you became friends with him mhm okay and yeah so we we're like

SPEAKER_10honestly good friends like when I was driving across the country I stopped by he was living in Boulder at the time and he um like I stayed with him cuz he offered and he like blew up an air

SPEAKER_10mattress with his like own breath for me to like not sleep on the same bed as him and I was like that's really nice is he still interested in you I don't think so you don't think so why

SPEAKER_01don't we find out right now get your phone and shoot him a little text he definitely not even a just try just try just send the text just Lauren what's the status what's the status on you they never responded what's the status I

SPEAKER_04think he knew I was [ __ ] with him what did he say they all didn't resp the he said where in Ohio are you he just keeps going in circles huh he said where in Ohio are you wait I need to look up

SPEAKER_01the college where it's at just I'm in your neck of the woods close enough I'll just say 15 minutes from your school did you say I what was the

SPEAKER_04previous message you sent can I come over tonight though I can come right now I'm only in Ohio for like 12 hours and he said where he said where in Ohio are you okay he's not out right turning you

SPEAKER_02down did you text anybody Lauren they have not texted me back what did you say I feel bad don't feel bad it was still the hey I didn't write anything oh you got to write more you got to double text like what be like what are you doing

SPEAKER_01tonight uh [ __ ] you you can't be too direct but you also can't be too very oh yeah it's an Oxford someone commented that uh just

SPEAKER_01say hey do you want to hook up winky face it's a bit much but [ __ ] it after the hay already yeah okay say you're in Savannah come on that's

SPEAKER_01not wait did did this one come through did we do this one yeah we did okay uh any responses yet or

SPEAKER_13no unfortunately I'm trying to cultivate think this is a dead end yeah I don't think they're to resp bro I would never say that all right let me get two super

SPEAKER_01chats here and then we're gonna yo Frankie K thank you for the 50 yall want traditional masculine men most traditional masculine men want feminine women with Traditional Values do you think you fit that description why or

SPEAKER_04why not okay so uh are you a feminine woman with Traditional Values yes or no yes sorry I wasn't me okay skipping read this are you a traditional or are you a

SPEAKER_02feminine women woman with Traditional Values yeah yes I'd say it's slightly more yes but that's cuz my family is more traditional in a sense um so I kind

SPEAKER_09of grew up that way nicholette um I think I'm feminine and um little closer to the mic I have some like modern values I

SPEAKER_10think oh same I'm a bit of both but I'd say more traditional and feminine I would say my values are pretty traditional I wouldn't say I'm like the most feminine woman but I try

SPEAKER_01so you're kind of you'd say you're more masculine um not entirely you mean like in the bedroom you like to Peg your boyfriend no have you ever pegged a dude no

SPEAKER_03okay um sorry Carson I I would say I'm I have very Traditional Values like extremely and

SPEAKER_03ostensibly I try to live up to them but also like by virtue of being born in this Century I don't know if it's even possible um cuz we're all raised with

SPEAKER_01such modern values that they're like ingrained in us but yeah by the way guys we have six ,000 people watching about 6,000 people watching right now the chat is on fire guys if we can get the likes

SPEAKER_08to 3,000 um Rachel will text one of her male friends and ask if they want to H up um what about you oh no I am not

SPEAKER_08traditional in um in the sense of what that word used to mean I'm modern just because of the times that we live in all right yo we have RPA h27 thank

SPEAKER_01you for the 50 Mary seems the most intelligent and asks challenging and smart questions keep pushing send help for the ticktockers also army girl is based uh marriage for the L where o

SPEAKER_02certified 10 go navy.com okay thank you man hey I was a Tik talker I'm not absolved here okay I just want to say you can't attack them because also look

SPEAKER_02at the age difference here attack I mean the ticktockers I think they're still much younger in experienc and like overall like worldwide

SPEAKER_03experience of meeting people and kind of cultivating relation old are you I'm 21 okay I'm not that much older than them but I'm okay I'm 22 um I'm of the same generation I feel like we have like a

SPEAKER_03lot of similar experiences because of that um but our generation is kind of starved for um a voice of

SPEAKER_03accountability uh I think that a lot of women in our generation and the Millennials are told that like men are the problem they should you know throw vitri all at men and problems in modern

SPEAKER_03dating are all their fault and we're not looking at like ways that we could improve this situation and if I wanted to get

SPEAKER_03specific I mean like women need to be more exclusive about who they have sex with in fact like uh they shouldn't be having sex sex before marriage in my opinion that if and if we're going to

SPEAKER_04keep going with the most controversial dating take that is mine I think I think that would be a turnoff for a man though I don't think they would stay with me if I said I wanted to wait until marriage it depends on the man I think that if

SPEAKER_03he's just in it for sex then obviously it's a turn off it depends on what he's looking for if a man is looking for a serious relationship and he's marriage-minded

SPEAKER_03then what's a year 2 years maybe of waiting compared to a lifetime yeah I agree for the most part but also I think

SPEAKER_12like like being physical with somebody is also like for me a big part in a relationship as well so I feel like it is a big part I just think it's one

SPEAKER_01that's only for marriage okay Rachel can I have you scoot your microphone to your right

SPEAKER_01yeah all right so we have uh Mark likes Brey thank you for the 50 man hi Brey and Rachel Brey I had a super good pickup line but then I thought gosh

SPEAKER_01she's so pretty and I forgot uh any chance I could turn that L into a w and oh [ __ ] hold on damn said go on an e any chance I could turn that

SPEAKER_01L into a w and could get you to go on an e coffee date with me if I promise to not forget your birthday hello well hi Mark um answer sure when

SPEAKER_01she is down thank you Mark for that appreciate it um did you get a response no I think he knows I've been friends with them since kindergarten Lauren any luck on your ends wow they're so fake

SPEAKER_13they didn't any of them all right I'm just going to say wow F I know literally wow okay dying and they respond I'll read this while it's up nobody important thank you for the 50 Brian your gold

SPEAKER_01sending my resume hey thank you man I suppose I'll check my email after the uh show um okay so your most controversial dating take is just remind me what is it again I don't think that any women

SPEAKER_03should be having premarital sex if they're trying to find a serious long-term monogamous relationship do you marriage I mean but do you think having premarital sex

SPEAKER_01precludes you from having I I don't suspect that's your position but do you think it precludes women from being able to get a long-term relationship or marriage

SPEAKER_03it well it depends on um the level of discernment they have I mean if you're in a long-term monogamous relationship where you're having premarital sex then

SPEAKER_03you know that's certainly possible but I think your relationship can only succeed in spite of that um it delays commitment from men what is I mean essentially I'm I'm not saying that sex is the only

SPEAKER_03thing that women can offer but that is a huge thing uh that you're just giving up before there's been any sign of commitment from a man mhm uh it I mean

SPEAKER_03essentially like not having premarital sex incentivizes a man to commit to you in a huge way it shouldn't be the only incentive certainly sure are you

SPEAKER_01religious are you Christian or I'm Catholic yeah Catholic okay I mean that certainly makes sense within a in a religious context but I also think it makes sense in a secular one sure I

SPEAKER_01agree with you um however I think the dating landscape as it is currently uh you know I think Mo definitely most

SPEAKER_01people are not waiting until marriage yeah so they aren't y I mean what what is the term uh the the genie is out of the bottle I mean not for individuals I

SPEAKER_03mean individuals can make whatever choices they want and you know if you've had premarital sex that doesn't uh prevent you from making the choice to wait with a certain person as well but

SPEAKER_03it is proven that like with the number of sexual partners that a woman has before marriage it exponentially increases the likelihood of divorce no you're right the more even

SPEAKER_01with just one partner and two like low body counts yeah well the Yeah the more premarital sexual partners you have the greater likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction the higher

SPEAKER_01likelihood of infidelity higher likelihood of divorce so I'm not like a statistician or whatever I just I done studies on it they've definitely done studies on that but you know I think the

SPEAKER_01thing is is that women control access to sex so women dictate whether there is a hookup culture or not yeah so while men to some degree and really it's the top

SPEAKER_01tier of men the top 10 top 20% of men to some degree obviously play into it men obvious or men will obviously welcome easy access to sex however at the end of the day women are the ones who decide

SPEAKER_01when sex happens yeah so if we want to see us straying away from a hookup culture women are going to have to lead the charge on that I think men perhaps

SPEAKER_01have some if you're if you want to be really tradcon you can say men have some role in terms of being leaders in that realm but the difference is is men have different sexual strategies so and this

SPEAKER_01is on a biological evolutionary level so men's sexual strategy is to basically spread the seed we can impregnate 30 women in a month whereas

SPEAKER_01as a woman you can only get pregnant in that last nine months right so women's sexual strategy is get the best man that you can get whereas men it's sleep with as many women as you can get in terms of

SPEAKER_01a sexual strategy now in terms of H having children obviously men are going to want to have you know want to be there to raise the child but that's a

SPEAKER_01different conversation um so uh but the way the dating landscape is is that men are not really incentivized to commit

SPEAKER_01because women will have sex with a dude on the first second third date yeah and I don't necessarily think that's well I don't think that's

SPEAKER_01necessarily wrong but that would explain where we find ourselves with hook hookup culture and I don't think men or women are particularly satisfied with the

SPEAKER_03status quo no they're not um I don't think they're willing to admit maybe the reasons why they're not satisfied with the status quo of dating right now because it requires them to look at

SPEAKER_12their own behavior does anyone on this side of the table would like to say anything Jesus Christ no all right I

SPEAKER_12just sorry I just um think like if you are like in a relationship you're not married yet or but if you think that you're going to be with that person like forever I don't see like what's think

SPEAKER_03that about a lot of harm what's the harm in like having sex before marriage you can think that you're going to be with a

SPEAKER_03lot of different people forever and you can't just go off of emotions like they can be very deceiving and you know even

SPEAKER_00loving someone can't always last forever uh super ched $999.99 thank you man a woman decides

SPEAKER_00when sex happens but a man decides who he marries a man Peaks later in life financially while a woman peaks in her early 20s so woman need to be aware of what they do early in their life and

SPEAKER_01really think about marriage earlier on yeah yo hm thank you for the uh big $100 Super Chat really appreciate it man um okay so let me ask a question related to

SPEAKER_01this um how long do you guys wait until you have sex with someone do you have a three date rule just kind of feeling it

SPEAKER_12out could be the first night there's no rule for me but like definitely not like soon like you know like months yeah I agree with that I'd say

SPEAKER_02like when the time feels right but definitely not within the first like few times we're hanging out okay what about you well personally I have like it's like my own sort of role that I guess

SPEAKER_02like the next person that I do have sex with will probably like be my boyfriend like I'd be in a relationship with them just because for me like sex is obviously like very personal like it's an intimate thing to do with some oh

SPEAKER_02it's an intimate thing to do with someone so you know that's just my own preference though like to each their own but like for me if I was to have sex with someone it would have to be the next person that I'm in a relationship

SPEAKER_01with okay next person you're so you would want to because of what you currently want would you want to wait um honestly like in my opinion it's

SPEAKER_02not like a big thing for for me like it's it's not like when I meet someone that's not like the first thing that I'm thinking like I think that emotional intimacy is something that you build

SPEAKER_02with someone and so therefore like when I'm in a relationship like that would be something for me and my partner to discuss figure out like going through the relationship so you mean discuss

SPEAKER_02having sex yeah or like you know just what like like it's I guess boundaries like what comfortable with like moving forward I mean like cuz there's a difference when you first start dating someone versus like you've been dating

SPEAKER_01for months or years and obviously it's like it's boundaries okay um so you two said kind of wait a while or yeah well until it

SPEAKER_03like feels right obviously but like not soon like not soon I think there are hazards in serial monogamy as well though like if you're in a bunch of uh

SPEAKER_03exclusive monogamous relationships whether they're short or longterm and you have sex with each of those people because you're in a relationship I don't think that standard really works um

SPEAKER_03because it still is like inhibiting your ability to pair bond in the future so whether you're only having sex with people that you're official with or you're hooking up with strangers it's

SPEAKER_03equally inhibiting your ability to pair bond with a you know forever lifetime partner in fact maybe the serial monogamy is worse because your emotions

SPEAKER_03are far more involved with each breakup okay so you said the while I've only dated two people honestly and like so

SPEAKER_01I'm only 18 okay you've only dated two people and you've only hooked up with two people yeah what what do you mean by

SPEAKER_04hookup like oh no I've had sex with two people okay but hook up what about you uh six six hookups yeah well what do you

SPEAKER_04consider hookups SE yeah six one one just one one okay what is the question yeah so the original question was is how long do you think you should wait until

SPEAKER_09having sex I think it just depends on the Vibes like three date rule like no I don't have a rule I'll [ __ ] on the first date okay you'll [ __ ] on the first dat for sure what are you trying to do let's

SPEAKER_10go okay I would say like a three date rule but really vibes okay so I've been like waiting a

SPEAKER_10really long time to the point where no one else is willing to wait that long um so yeah wait so okay um can you expand on that you've been waiting a really

SPEAKER_10long time what does that mean yeah like I just really like thoroughly want to get to know someone but um yeah I think they are kind of thinking that maybe you know eventually

SPEAKER_10like five dates in or something it's going to happen but I'm like really waiting until I feel a really strong connection with someone and and I know that they feel that connection with me emotionally um and that even though I've

SPEAKER_10felt that and thought that they were feeling the same thing eventually when I keep saying like oh but I just want to wait a little bit more um then they'll

SPEAKER_01all just um wait so you said it's been a while since the last time you've it's been a while how

SPEAKER_01long are we talking here over a year okay I mean I was thinking longer than that but over a year but yeah before that it was like over a year so there

SPEAKER_10was wait before so there was a year and then there was a guy and then yeah like I really don't mind it because I I do just value yeah I don't okay so how you

SPEAKER_10said the guys thinking oh it's going to be five dates but it's going to be longer than that yeah like I don't have like a time frame on it it's just when I feel comfortable when you feel

SPEAKER_01comfortable okay and remind me you said said that you lost your virginity it was like a one night stand yeah okay that I mean that confuses me a

SPEAKER_10little bit because on one hand you you're now at you said you're 24 yeah but like now that I've experienced both one night stands and a relationship I definitely prefer a

SPEAKER_00relationship sure I'll come back to that Chambers super chated $99.99 I apologize Brian Jessica is the

SPEAKER_0010 out of 10 at 34 years old that these only fans Superstars pretend to be my bad Jessica is out of their leaks and she doesn't have lip injections where's

SPEAKER_01Jessica I'm still confused um I am Jessica is the 10 out of 10 at

SPEAKER_0130 who's wait maybe there's no one 34 here wait Jessica Jessica 34 who's Jessica though trying to get with oh his

SPEAKER_09girlfriend who doesn't have lip injections Nicollet why are you calling me out these are expensive so yes how expensive are they

SPEAKER_04they're 700 each has has anyone else here ever had lip injections no I have you have yeah I only got half a syringe though so it's like syr I feel like my

SPEAKER_01lips look are we still talking about boat TOS what are you heroin no of the lip filler okay um yo Aaron

SPEAKER_01thank you man I appreciate it okay so you were talking about how [ __ ] it was a we were on a really good point I I remember kind of the general sense of it

SPEAKER_10so do you recall where you left off um well I was talking about how I like haven't gotten laid in a while because I'm like waiting for an emotional connection oh one question so you said it's been a year and then there was a

SPEAKER_01guy and then before that it was a year or two so how long were you dating that guy most recently um it was like uh probably like a month and a half so it wasn't like the longest period of

SPEAKER_01time but I just really trusted him and I felt like a strong connection okay so you felt a strong connection uh and how long did you wait

SPEAKER_01to have sex with him how many like how many dates uh maybe like six six dates or seven okay a month and a half I mean so you guys had sex and then he dumped

SPEAKER_10you cuz I mean six or seven dates that can take a month and a half yeah it was like not immediately after but I do think he was kind of um yeah like he he

SPEAKER_01was waiting for it yeah yikes okay yeah guys do that um so how many times did you guys H hook up uh like twice twice and did you end it or did he end it um

SPEAKER_10well he started pulling away and I when someone starts pulling away I don't want someone to have to tell me twice that they're not interested so it's not like I was going to chase he started pulling away how so like just you know you can tell when someone's

SPEAKER_10less interested the messages get less frequent there's less enthusiasm so you were matching the energy

SPEAKER_01yeah I mean so what happened it just was it a ghost it wasn't a ghost it was just was there at any point of like he said

SPEAKER_10or you said I no longer want to see you anymore it we never had an explicit conversation which you know that's not the best thing either but I'm also kind

SPEAKER_10of a proponent like I don't think that like I I I don't always need to be like broken up with to like get the hint that someone's no longer interested in

SPEAKER_10me you know are you texting the guy yeah cuz you didn't respond so I'm saying oh you're clearing it up okay

SPEAKER_10so continue yeah I just um I don't you said you don't need feel the need to have a breakup wer officially dating like I was bummed

SPEAKER_10of course um hurt but how do you know he didn't just get busy or something I guess you know that's a possibility it's just kind of unlikely what if he

SPEAKER_10detected that he thought you were pulling away I so I don't think that's true in this scenario I do think that is something that's possible with like dating I think that um you know

SPEAKER_10sometimes even after like a first date when neither of you send that initial like I had a good time message like you're both kind of left wondering like oh like how did they feel but you're

SPEAKER_10both kind of not willing to be vulnerable and say something but yeah so the last message between one of you was something just like yeah it was just like something mundane like and then you

SPEAKER_01never talked again yeah and you waited six dates and you hooked up twice I mean don't you think the I mean it seemed like you're just kind

SPEAKER_01of you said you didn't want to Chase but I mean like why like at Le to me it's like why not just at least seek hey do you want to hang out again like yeah that

SPEAKER_01probably left you on red or the better thing to do but because I from the guys perspective a lot of guys will feel and look some

SPEAKER_01guys will wait it could it sort of excuse me it could have certainly been the case that he he just wanted to he was like okay

SPEAKER_01fine I'll wait whatever he hit it twice and he was like okay whatever moving on was that was that kind of the impression you got up front or did he seem like

SPEAKER_10actually serious like he seemed serious but looking back on it I definitely think that um I could have been a little bit more

SPEAKER_10what you could have been more what well I think um I was just feeling a little insecure about how long it had been since i' like hooked up with someone because I saw this um meme that was it

SPEAKER_10was coming up on New Year's and it was like a Spotify wrapped Meme and it was like you've had sex with zero people this year you [ __ ] loser and so I was

SPEAKER_10kind of what so okay you were insecure because you thought the sex was bad no no I was insecure before we had sex because I it been a while maybe nerves

SPEAKER_01okay so cuz I think when it comes to dating a lot of guys feel that we have to do a lot of

SPEAKER_01The Upfront work when it comes to building a relationship and I mean I you know I don't know the details of what happened with this guy but often times a lot falls on us in terms of initiative

SPEAKER_01early on we probably did he take the initiative asking you out on dates how did you guys match um on on dating app or in person it was on hinge

SPEAKER_10on hinge okay did he match match you or did you match him I think he matched me did he send the first message um I think he said something and then I messaged back like hey okay did he did you ask

SPEAKER_01for the date or did he ask for the date uh he did he did did he ask for your number or did you ask for his number um probably him probably him okay did he set up the

SPEAKER_01date probably okay when on the date did he pay for the date mhm did he pay for all the other subsequent dates um like first two or three first two or three

SPEAKER_01okay um did he lead the interaction on after that point so example like at some point he probably said do you want to come back to my place I don't know if it was on the first date second date third

SPEAKER_01date but did he lead from there yeah okay so on your second date did he plan that one uh Second Date second second hangout yeah did he plan the third one

SPEAKER_00it might have been more Mutual super chatted $99.99 this just means you need to build your personality your looks will only

SPEAKER_01get you so far post peanut is a real thing also I miss Chase bring my boy back um okay so third date you said it it was a bit Mutual um by the way hm

SPEAKER_01thank you man yeah uh chase me and Chase are talking we're going to get them on pretty soon so stay tuned for that okay so third date um when who went for the first kiss was it him or you him he went for the first kiss what about moving

SPEAKER_01things forward sexually was it him or you him him okay I assume you maybe rejected him the first few times correct how many times did you turn him down um

SPEAKER_01like what date did he kiss you on first date second date third date maybe third third date did you at any point did you turn turn him down for the kiss um no okay so first kiss fine but uh the first

SPEAKER_01move he made to try to move things forward sexually you turned that down right yeah second move turn down yeah I think yeah so what what happens in those situations is

SPEAKER_01and I think women don't realize this we as men we really pretty much I know you guys hang out with clicks there's this term in video games called carrying so when you carry someone in a video game

SPEAKER_01um when you carry someone in a video game you basically they suck at the video game you have to do all the work and you bring them to the win that's how men feel most men feel when it comes to courtship with women we have to do

SPEAKER_01everything so women have the privilege of not really acknowledging or knowing all the work that goes into actually going from matching with you on the dating app or meeting you all the way to

SPEAKER_01sex and then moving forward from that there's dozens if not hundreds of potential points of rejection so it could be you know if you go if you ask her out too soon some girls might say oh let's talk a bit longer okay cool let's

SPEAKER_01talk more let's talk more getting the number we have to there's a lot of logistical steps going all the way from first meeting you to sleeping with you that we as men take care of that women

SPEAKER_01don't really do or think about so him pulling back is just him being like well I've been carrying you this

SPEAKER_01is how about you put in a little initiative after a period of time if you aren't starting to put in mutual effort and meeting him then guys are going to be like

SPEAKER_01either she's just not interested or I'm [ __ ] tired of carrying this Rel reltionship so at least in my experience a lot of times when these guys hook up with you

SPEAKER_01and then they don't they don't want to see you again maybe it's because they're dogs and they just wanted to hit it or it's just like wow that was a lot of

SPEAKER_01work she's not putting in any Mutual effort like if all you're offering to a guy is sex that's all that they're going to want yeah no I definitely I think for

SPEAKER_10like first two dates I definitely kind of take the back burner because I kind of want to see that someone's invested a little bit because if they're not going to be then I assume that they're doing

SPEAKER_10what they did for me for hundreds of women and then um it's also like I could find someone who would plan the first and second date easily sure um I'd say

SPEAKER_10third date is when I try to start kind of chipping in a little bit more like planning it paying for my share um yeah yeah but just to perhaps at least

SPEAKER_01attempt to explain what was going on there is like I said guys have this feeling of wow I'm doing all the work

SPEAKER_01and then like if the girl doesn't really start like putting an effort then so you said he started pulling back that's just probably him being

SPEAKER_01like when is she going to contribute to the to us building building a relationship teamwork yeah so what does that look like then I'll get to that so

SPEAKER_01men are typically expected in terms of courting women men are typically expected to ask you out pay for the date set up the date plan the date and then

SPEAKER_01you know go for the first kiss move things forward handle everything so if if that's what men are expected to do in the early stages of building a

SPEAKER_04relationship what are women expected to do Brey go ahead uh show them affection turn tilt the show them affection and I don't know I

SPEAKER_04feel like when you date someone you're also like a friend like they're attracted to you but they're also as a as a friend I don't know I think you should be responsive and if you actually like a guy you

SPEAKER_12should respond and put in the effort as well I don't think the guys should just be the only ones just to put in every all the effort okay this reminds me of a say there's a saying right now social

SPEAKER_02media and my friend literally said this to me like yesterday or this morning or something but it's um like when it only works out better when a guy is actually

SPEAKER_02more obsessed than the girl and like that's but okay but that like that's what made me like you talking about like doing all the work putting in all the effort like that makes me think it

SPEAKER_02relates that situation of like a guy liking a girl more and putting in that effort to see whether or not she's going to I guess accept you know except the date like

SPEAKER_01accept moving forward with the relationship and that's what I was just thinking as a guy you need not be obsessed with a girl to acknowledge that if you want to get anywhere with women

SPEAKER_01you're going to have to carry you're going to have to take on the burden of initiative because women don't really approach guys they don't hit on guys the way that men approach women

SPEAKER_01because as women you can kind of just sit there either on Instagram dating apps or in person men will come to you women don't really be hidden on guys

SPEAKER_03like that yes Brian I think pursuing a woman who is feminine feminine and pleasant and kind and smart isn't a

SPEAKER_03burden it should actually be something that a man enjoys doing and that's a good thing that men carry as as you're saying it's a good

SPEAKER_03thing that they're responsible for showing uh their interest very strongly and pursuing well I mean this almost comes back to our discussion about

SPEAKER_01vulnerability because you just expect men to just handle everything and we're just supposed to be satisfied with your lack of enthusiasm and your lack of

SPEAKER_03effort in building a relation I lack of enthusi enthusiasm in response I mean like if a woman is uh you know interested back obviously she should show that

SPEAKER_01but that doesn't mean she should start like opening doors for him or something ridiculous that's not what I'm saying that's not what I'm saying but men there

SPEAKER_01there is this certain fatigue of dating where we feel like we always have to be the one initi initiating setting up the

SPEAKER_01date making the first move like I mean I can ask you all have you of all the First Dates voice craft of all the First Dates you've ever been

SPEAKER_01on have you ever asked a guy out or sorry let let me rephrase that of all the first dates that you've ever been on more often than not was it the guy who made the move or was it you the guy

SPEAKER_02gu I feel like that's a guy's job I have guy you want go out I guess probably the guy but I mean I don't really go on like dates like I think hanging out with a GU that's hanging out dates let's use those

SPEAKER_03synonymously okay um I feel like it's been like half and half yeah okay the guy the guy yeah the guy um I was never asked out on a date

SPEAKER_00before my current about with your boyfriend yeah he all super ched $100 thank you man I appreciate it would

SPEAKER_09about you uh the guy okay so word that's how it should be yeah I feel like you're being

SPEAKER_09contradictory because you say like guys don't like masculine women who you know go up to guys ask them out I think it's emasculating to be the the pursuer of a

SPEAKER_01man I agree you're supposed to let him take that role no lead Ro that's a fair point but I think there is to some degree a fatigue that men experience

SPEAKER_01when it comes to always having to be the one that makes the first move and always initiates like and it it that will be

SPEAKER_00relieved Martin super ched $100 that's all if that's all you bring in this I'm a different animal here's my proposition

SPEAKER_00private jet fly you and your hottest girlfriend to me you'll have to sign an NDA with auto T that kicks in after our business is complete fly You Back by the

SPEAKER_03way the screen nails they're for free they were for a movie premiere uh Auto T trro that stands for temporary restraining order is that like Jeffrey

SPEAKER_01Epstein the [ __ ] yo first off Mar qu that's uh his name is marquavius Martin he owns uh like a 100 Quiznos so he's

SPEAKER_01like really successful the person that just chatted Mar marqu can you pull it up Carson is it actually him yeah his name is marquavius Martin he's like a entrepreneur like Quiznos gangster so

SPEAKER_01cool yeah so uh you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement with an automatic temporary restraining order um so he's going to get a trro on you because

SPEAKER_01because he's the [ __ ] he's the top G okay well depend reactions Carson reactions um huh I said where are we going uh does he have a private you can hide at

SPEAKER_01Carson who knows okay do you take him up on his offer yes I do okay I would love that uh marquavius her DMS are open okay so where were we we

SPEAKER_01were oh yeah I said that you would relieve that fatigue in Ben okay but like if here's the thing right if sex is all you're bringing to the

SPEAKER_03relationship that's not going to be enough to keep a guy who said that's all that we're bringing I think that would actually cause him to stop pursuing you as

SPEAKER_09strongly you're just waving sex in front of him like a dog treat or something I feel like Mary is the outliar like you're I think you're the only virgin at the table so yeah most people you're AG

SPEAKER_09I'm a virgin aren't virgins just kidding just kidding so I feel like you're like a small percentage yes word okay so Sarah I want to bring it back to just your thing really quick

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