She Keeps A LIST Of The Men She Sleeps With (100+)?! | Dating Talk #114

Date: 2023-11-01

Duration: 5h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

MMcKenna Seagar (DT114)>

HHaley Jackson (DT114)>

JJamie (DT114)>

KKiara (DT114)>

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kiara(guest)

SPEAKER_05McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Mick(guest)

SPEAKER_14Audi/Mick(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMcKenna reveals her Notes app is titled "list of bodies" and reads out ~51 names including GMO, Sammy, Xavier, Jeremiah, multiple Ricardos (from Italy), and 4 John Does.

“list of bodies that's her notes that's in my notes yes that's awesome”

QuoteMcKenna reads the full list: GMO, Sammy, Xavier, Jeremiah, Namir, Jet, Peso, Roman, Jack, Bradley, Lucas, Sierra, Colby, Julia, Ricardo, Aaron, Lorenzo, Dirk, Olivier, Mikey, Sebie, Ben, Sephir, Ben, Eddie, Cindy, Tim, Jason, Omar, Sam, Enrique, Nick, Daniel, Brandon, Eric, Tony, Beach Life, Brock, Ian, Louie, Santa, Tyler, Andy, Johnny, Thomas, Emily, Steve, Brandon, Franco, Monty, firefighter — ~51 names.

“gyo Sammy Xavier Jeremiah namir jet peso Roman Jack Bradley Lucas Sierra Colby”

Key MomentMick returns to the podcast (previously appeared on DT#65 with fiancée Key Rose) and announces she left him for another man, who she is now with in Melbourne, Australia, after 6 years together and an engagement.

“last time I was on here I was with uh key Rose who um is an only fans uh girl and uh yeah she basically um after 6 years of living together and and being together every day she left me for another guy”

OtherBrian makes McKenna swear on air to date only one man monogamously for 3 months and return for a reunion episode.

“do you solemnly swear to not fuck 20 dudes in the next 3 months”

ControversyMcKenna describes a former friend from San Diego who had gonorrhea and chlamydia simultaneously, an estimated body count of 75+ by end of high school and possibly in the hundreds total.

“she had gonner and chledy in the same week that's so bad she was she literally would like get in my car she be like can we go to CVS”

QuoteBrian leads panel in declaring "free at last" for Mick following his breakup from Key Rose.

“free at last free at last free at last”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: McKenna (21, OF), Haley (26, OF), Sage (25, finance), Jamie (31, dog grooming), Kiara (23, OF), Audi (22, artist), Mick (27, music), Madison (18, SBCC student/bar host). Brian describes Kiki as co-host.

Relationship Status Round

Round-table on relationship status, situationships, and dating history. McKenna reveals on-again-off-again situationship with Jack. Jamie discloses 6yr baby-daddy relationship + 3yr situationship. Kiara discusses two situationships with partnered men.

McKenna's Body Count List

McKenna reads aloud from her Notes app "list of bodies" — ~51 names including Italy names (Ricardo, Lorenzo, etc.), American names, one woman (Sierra), and 4 John Does. Discussion of whether keeping a list is unusual. Total estimated ~55.

How Long to Wait Before Sex

Panel discusses how long to wait before having sex with someone new. McKenna: same day. Haley: 1.5 months (waited for current BF). Sage: depends on connection. Jamie: ~3 months for strangers. Kiara: ~10 dates / 1-2 months. Audi: depends on what you want. Madison: depends on communication and intentions.

Dating Apps and Modern Dating

Discussion of dating apps, how to meet people, and modern dating challenges. Kiara uses apps only for Instagram promo. McKenna does not use apps, prefers recycling known people. Jamie approaches men first IRL.

Vegan / Celibacy Tangent

Discussion of veganism, celibacy, and a tangent about whether vegans can consume male seed. Haley and SPEAKER_02 (Jamie) have both been vegan. McKenna was celibate 2 years and vegan/pescatarian.

Mick's Story: Key Rose Breakup

Mick returns to Whatever Podcast (was on DT#65 with fiancée Key Rose). Recounts: Key Rose started as a stripper, switched to OnlyFans during COVID. After 6 years together and engagement, she left him for another man now in Melbourne. Mick reflects on enabling behaviors and loss of self-respect. Brian shows DT#65 clip. Mick is buying NC mountain house and investment property.

Sugar Daddies and OnlyFans Economics

Panel discusses sugar daddies: McKenna had up to 3 simultaneous ($9k/mo allowances + trip to Paris). Haley had Hooters regulars. Jamie had none. Kiara had FaceTime-based arrangements ($40/10min). McKenna's OF subscriber counts (40k+), income (five figures/month), and chatter operations. Discussion of pay pigs vs. patrons.

Body Count Discussion

Discussion of whether body count matters. McKenna describes a former friend in San Diego with body count "in the hundreds" (possibly 75+ by end of high school). Kiara saw someone with ~20 men in a month. Panel mostly agrees body count matters to some extent, especially if high.

Marriage Discussion

Panel debates value of marriage vs. long-term relationship. Brian argues marriage offers nothing he can't get from a committed relationship. Madison wants to marry in a church. Mick thinks marriage is for when you want to have kids. Kiara wants to get married but not through the state.

Ratings Round

Self-ratings on looks (1-10 scale). McKenna: 8. Haley: 5.5 (shoe size). Jamie: 5 (no makeup/hair) / 7 (with). Seberg chat gave: red (McKenna) appearance 9 / values 2; 5/5; 7/9; 8/10; 5; 3; 5; 7.

After Show with Madison

Brian wraps main show; Madison hosts 5-10 minute after show. Discussion of OnlyFans chatter operations, modern dating frustrations, and miscellaneous topics.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasadvocate for women I'm a feminist basically basically I'm basically feminist I advocate for women much pretty much big lab matter BLM in the

Jamiechat there you have it folks so funny instead of comparing a guy doesn't go down on a girl to a girl or girl having kids why don't you just compare a girl going down on a guy to a guy going down

Kiaraon a girl because I'm autistic are you actually probably what about you uh yeah that's a deal Breer for sure cuz I'm going to need you to go

Kiaradown there down there and work your stuff did y'all hear that don't let her we're not letting you off the hook don't look what' she say she

Brian Atlasoinked yo Pig emojis in the chat Pig emojis in the chat let's hear it she oinked she she snorted little snort pick emojis in the chat okay so deal breaker for you is it a deal breaker for you if

Micksomeone really checked all my other boxes going down as that'd be fun if they didn't Bas the pig Mick

Mickwait Mick um key only gave me a [ __ ] once and it was for my birthday what that's so sad and

Mickuhj and it was not very it was not very good um cuz she doesn't know how to give a good one cuz she uses a lot of teeth

Brian Atlasso [ __ ] yeah so wait wait wait I wait wait Mi I got something for this I got something for this she was the mouth that got away

Mickum so I don't I mean I would like to get a good [ __ ] but I mean I think every guy wants a good [ __ ] but the thing it's not necessary I mean you know cuz I mean as long as we're just having you

Brian Atlasknow passionate Mission missionary sex you know I don't need a blowob Fu you know passionate Mission those two words not wrud they could go together I feel

Kiaralike more guys think it's than girls do you ain't never put her on doggy uh doggy is like if you're trying to be really dominant you know that's like I like doggy I like doggy too but uh but

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonshe didn't like that either so you know L key in the chat more and doggy what else let's see how did we get to the horal what did Madison say wait what you said something but I didn't hear you I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonfeel like guys I it's bigger it's a bigger deal breaker for guys than it is for girls yeah usually don't go down each other yeah true yeah guys like yeah

Brian Atlaswell I let's let's be real here it's obvious obvously different it's obviously eating [ __ ] versus sucking dick it's different Su dick could

Jamiepossibly be how's it different well anatomically it's just objectively different so circumcised or uncircumcised because that really depends on what you're saying if you're talking about

Brian Atlasuncircumcised it's the same as eating [ __ ] I heard I heard they feel though because you got to get in the skin that's not true never I've never seen an uncircumcised men who are men who are

Jamienot circum ized can observe good hygiene so can women but that doesn't mean they don't their pH isn't off or it's it's a part of your body that's unexposed to air flow so you can clean yourself in

Jamiethe beginning of the morning but if you eat like [ __ ] you treat your body like [ __ ] you're going to smell like [ __ ] being a male oh have you sucked an uncircumcised penis before no but maybe you have have you sounds like it have you

JamieI've been in a relationship with people who are uncircumcised was the dwarf guy no or was it the Obe it's not dwarf it's just shorter than oh sorry sorry sorry okay well technically little guy if

Brian Atlasyou're 4 foot something you're technically a dwarf uh it's different though watch check this

Brian Atlasout I can just okay let's say I have sex with a girl and then I take a

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonshower good good is new no no what do you mean that's not true like you're STD you're not good but we're not even

Brian Atlastalking STDs here however we could talk about that too if a guy let's say a guy comes inside a girl that [ __ ] kind of lingers does it

Brian Atlasyeah and also as women I mean I don't know if you guys are my understanding you're not supposed to douche internally so you don't really

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonhave a procedure with which to clean it itself out but you don't well literally when you're eating [ __ ] like you're not sticking your tongue inside their [ __ ]

Brian Atlasit's like some guys do I okay well I got to disagree on that I mean you could get around that you could just do the top the clip right but

Brian Atlasthat's out of our it's proximity it's proximity and if there's Lu but the wetness spreads to other areas of the

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madison[ __ ] and it's the proximity I'm just saying it's different okay I have I agree it is different because it's wet like vagina

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonis comes out there's blood that comes out once a month oh I was about to say what yeah yeah once a we don't there's no blood coming out of our but I do have to say something it doesn't matter what you guys eat it

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisondoesn't matter what you guys eat cuz some guys come be tasting like battery acid that's like nasty you think it's the water if they don't drink water it it has to be something girl

Brian Atlascuz okay let's uh let's move on the chat is deeply disappointed yeah they're like what is happening with this Haram conversation let's see where were we we

Brian Atlaswere talk we were we were on McKenna I think yeah McKenna is that your real name or your stripper name no I'm not a stripper no I know but like you can like I could have a stripp I have a stage name but yeah my name's McKenna yeah oh

Brian Atlasso you you do have a stage name yeah Stella Lux Stella Lux how many X's are there in the just one one okay all right you

Brian Atlassaid I would like to talk about situationships and how guys get really attached especially when you play games or are rude to them what I just talking about that yeah

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI what so what games do you play and how are you rude to them I play a lot of games so one thing that I do that I love to get a rise out of guys is all like let's say like they're really horny or something I'm like I'm like okay like I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonget them in the mood this is just pling Cru Ru but like I get them in the mood and we'll be like sometimes even during sex but normally before like I'll be like no I don't want to do anything and I'll like make them wait or like during sex I'll literally just stop and I'll

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI'll roll over give them blue balls I literally do it on purpose I love doing it it's so funny they get so frustrated they like literally they get so mad but then I let them take it out on me cuz I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonlove that aggressive angry sex you know what I would get frustrated too I would too but they love it they go crazy for

Jamieit be like what the [ __ ] they love it they do I swear they promise I mean that's kind of like the Primitive game it's kind of like man and woman is like a man is like trying to

Jamielike you know put on a show or like attract the woman to like get them into bed and so it's like a game so like she's just playing the game what so you not that that's right or that that's okay or like whatever your opinion is

Brian Atlasbut that's just kind of primitive if they did it to me I'd be okay with it like it's a game you know game so what so just reiterate once again what is it specifically that you do you're like mid- hookup and then you'll just like totally disengage yeah or like even

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonbefore I'll like start sucking on their fingers and everything I'll be like I'll lean in and close and then I'll be like I don't want to have sex but you do want to have sex I do and I eventually do but like I let me ask I want to go around the table do you guys think that

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisoncommunication is important in a relationship yes totally a th% yes yes yes yes M yes yeah isn't that quite literally you not communicating though I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonam I'm saying I don't want to have sex right now and I saw but you do want to have sex I do but it's a game that I'm playing it's a mind game yeah I'm teasing I'm being a little

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonbrat yeah I would hate that they love it though I swear I prob do they I swear they it gets them so sexually frustrated it's amazing and then they take it out on you and it's like even better it's like it's like

Brian Atlashate sex yeah it's amazing this is is a dysfunctional group here uh so are there any other games you

Brian Atlasplay games she's s you play games uh play you said cuz you said I would like to talk about situationships and how guys get really attached especially when

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonyou play games or are rude to them so you gave us one example of playing a game how are you rude to them uh I guess it's more like I'm just straight up honest but they think it's rude like I've had guys like who like they'll say

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonlike they're only [ __ ] me I'm like you shouldn't be doing that like go [ __ ] another girl like cuz I'm but like I'll be like Oh I'm going out cuz I'm cuz you're [ __ ] other guys yeah I'm like I I'll be like Oh I'm going out and this guy was like are you going to get any guys number like [ __ ] any guy tonight I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwas like maybe okay I was like what do you want me to say to that like I'm being honest and they think it's so rude how El Are you rude they get so like cuz I'm just I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI feel like it's more honesty than rude I guess okay but no I just like say what's on my mind I tell them what's going on like if I'll be like no I don't want to see you no I don't I don't like they'll be like oh do you like me do you

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonhave feeling for me no you're a dangerous woman do you know that thank you maybe they think you're playing hard to get yeah but I'm not I'm being straight up with them I'm be like no I like don't want to see you I don't like

Brian Atlasyou like that I don't want to I'm like can I go home pay for the Uber I'm like I feel like you like when I say you're a dangerous woman like probably the guys like the and I don't know if the type of

Brian Atlasmen you go for are typically like [ __ ] boys anyways who they don't give a [ __ ] about you either but if you were to get involved with a guy who is like seriously pursuing you and actually like he didn't just want to be with you just

Brian Atlasto have sex with you like he actually liked you I could see you being like a very dangerous person to be in a relationship with for that type of guy uh like who cares right if it's just casual but

Brian Atlaslike like if I was in a relationship with what do you mean like dat you'd rip out his heart and stomp on it yeah probably why why do you laugh at that I think it's kind of funny I don't know so she

Brian Atlasdoesn't want a nice guy she doesn't need a nice guy but like I can't explain it cuz like I I do want a relationship your parents still together my parents yeah no let's go to some Freud [ __ ] um no

Brian Atlasthey are not separated yes at what age when I was younger yeah oh like when did they split when were they married or no not not when I was when I yeah when I

Brian Atlaswas like eight yeah they married do you have any siblings yes at have four four okay they divorced when you were eight was it a contentious

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisondivorce uh yeah pretty much I mean my dad caught my mom cheating on him and was your dad loyal yes really loyal and my mom he literally always says to he's

Brian Atlaslike you're just like your mother oh oh it's bad you did mention mommy issues in addition to the daddy issues very bad mommy issues she was a mick is going to

Mickfix you okay all right Nick let's see what you can do my my parents divorced when I was like three so oh three yeah

Mickso I mean I don't even remember sorry Sor sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry too I I I want to be a good good father that's not like my my parents you know I don't

MickI don't want to be a bad father you know be there for your kids for sure yeah you've never had a relationship no I swear to God on everything you on the whatever

Brian Atlaspodcast I want you to raise your right hand oh no raise your right hand okay I want you as an experiment you have to date a guy for

Brian Atlasthree months monogamous no there can't be any other men we'll we'll do a reunion episode in 3 months from now we'll have you back on

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonand we'll see how it goes okay just try what do you think I'll try yeah I'll try it I I don't know if I can find a guy that would want to date me you could you don't think so you're attractive you're attractive girl yeah

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwhy do you think I don't know I feel like you're a little crazy but you're attractive okay I I'll try I'll try I'm going to I'm going to ruin his life oh

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI'm so sorry Mick Mick is like's like what about me yeah we need another we need another third guy for her what oh no I was you want Mick you want a piece

Brian Atlasno he want her you want a piece of Mick no piece do you know what his nickname is big dick Mick oh wow like that's what

Brian Atlasthat's what they were calling me let's see okay so do you solemnly swear to not [ __ ] 20 dudes in the next 3 months I yeah I solemnly swear I will

Brian Atlasnot [ __ ] 20 dudes in the next three months you can only sleep with one man okay no look at me in the eyes I looked I did you know The Karate Kid Mr Miyagi eyes oh always look ice I know guys tell

Brian Atlasme that all the time they're like you're lying to me you look to the side I'm like [ __ ] okay you need a date like have I want you to have a boyfriend you need to go find a boyfriend date just one

Brian Atlasdude three months clamy hands three months do you promise I promise for 3 months promri I promise you promise Pinky Promise You Want Me pinky do you promise yes I promise that's three times

Brian Atlasyou've promised now I'm holding you to it okay okay okay so I got find a guy I and you can only be with him okay and

Brian Atlaswith within 3 weeks you have to have the what is this conversation you're going to try to maneuver it boyfriend girlfriend okay okay got it you down yes

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI'm you want to try this I I do want to try to be in a relationship I've never tried it so yeah you've never tried it you got to give it a try I know I have maybe you're missing out I know maybe I am you know you could you know my brother said he's like you're going to get too bored in a relationship you're going to cheat on him I'm like that's so

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonmessed up I would not cheat it's not true why would you think it's true cuz I feel like I have your brother sounds wise Beyond his he is he called me before this he was like you're going on that podcast I was like oh my God

Brian AtlasChrist I was like stop he is he literally he told me he was like you know he's going to talk to you like how I talk to you so she says okay you like to play games

Brian Atlasyou're rude to them anybody else here into the playing any games game playing rudess wow the only one stuff

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonhuh I do like dominatrix stuff huh you don't know what dominatrix is I know what it is yeah with your

Brian Atlascurrent no oh my God hell no he would never um like with my Instagram are my only fans oh like finom yeah okay what

Jamieanybody else do you like to play games no no I don't be honest I really don't be honest with us I really do not do I do I look like like be honest I like to play games she doesn't have time for

Brian Atlasgames I really don't she got have you ever groomed a human I have cuz you you have a dog grooming business I do I have three have you ever groomed a a boyfriend yeah I've done like his hair

Jamieor like my son's hair I'll cut sometimes do you use the dog shears have you ever used the dog shears yeah I don't buy human shears just to do it so yeah I typically use I'll sterilize it and

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonuse go okay no games though to answer that question anybody anybody else I like my

KiaraI feel like she likes playing games yeah come on spill some spill some tea here okay spill some tea um I don't know I don't know I'm very if I see that you're playing games then I'm going play games

Kiaratoo but I could take someone serious yeah cuz once I see that you're playing games I'm going to I don't say much I usually keep it to

Kiaramyself and I play the game by myself I don't

Brian Atlasknow okay we have more from McKenna here uh you say modern dating sucks and it's so hard to find someone to actually date I've never dated anybody before in my entire life and it's because men are

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonjust God awful these days well I don't want to say all men I feel like it's the same for women cuz like my brother says the same thing he's like women are awful and I'm like yeah I feel like both equally are pretty

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonfreaking awful but no just the men I met but you you are right like when you're like oh I feel like the men you meet are like pretty trash like the guys that I get in situationships with I feel like that's my problem is like I attract just

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonthe wrong kind of guys um but also I feel like with me with if a nice guy meets me I'm going like like what she was saying she was like oh they're too boring like yeah it's not like a it's

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonnot giv a little spice little kick what makes a guy boring for me I so like I like like to play games like even if a relationship like not like not games where I'm like cheating on them or anything like that just like I like to

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonmess with their head so I like a guy to mess with my head too how how do you mess with guy's head uh like with the whole sex thing's I'll leave them on red I'll like make like if I like a guy I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonnever even let him know like you like him to chase you yeah I like him I like the chase this is Way Beyond chasing but I just like uh like I if I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonlike a guy like he will literally never know I never text guys first ever ever ever ever I'll be on that phone but okay I mean you said that you've never dated anybody in your

Brian Atlasentire life because men are just God awful but given what you said could it be you who's God awful I I I am toxic I've had guys tell me that I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonknow I'm toxic but um so you are what you like you're going to attract those kind of guys okay yeah yeah you're right you're right so but how how would I find how am I going to find a guy into get in a relationship with me I'm like scared I

Brian Atlasfeel like that's not going to happen well you find someone the thing is is that there's a lot of simps out there who will tolerate bad behavior in women who will tolerate toxicity because there's a lot of lonely

TTS Readermen out there who don't get laid and Raven DT donated $100 I hope you are taking notes of all of these red flags there will be a quiz

Mickafter the show okay who's quizzing me the chat and God okay I'll definitely respond to comments later

Mickuh what what were we talking about we're talking about God a you you your tox your toxicity tox I think that's a generalization though you could generalize the genders in any way you

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonknow like but I have to agree cuz I'm into men and women like women are very stuck up as well too same with men so it's like it's very equal I shouldn't have say just men but men and women grid

TTS ReaderOne Motorsports donated $100 some poor Sapp is going to catch a case over red and her games s have all the good men gone to women who actually

TTS Readerwant them why can't you find a good man good men do not want you you will not find someone they will see you coming a mile away good men do want me and they think they can tame me but they can't I

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonruin them you what I ruin them you ruined good men yes why why wait have you ruined a good man before uh the last guy

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonfilmed with was a really good man but I I didn't like ruin him like I didn't like do anything to him I just I feel like I just broke his heart he like he would tell me he has feelings for me and I was like

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonoh was funny uh you asked why why why do you why why do I do that I don't know I feel like it's kind of a defense

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonmechanism cuz I like just don't I'm very very scared to be in a relationship because I've seen a lot of toxic relationships in my life pretty much every relationship I've had in my or not for me but like people I've seen in my

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonlife have been like in really toxic relationships and I've seen it go really really bad and I'm just like I don't want that to be me like at all and I'm just really scared of love like I really am I like love it at the same time like

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI like I always like I used to want to be in a relationship so bad and everything and I would like try to like you know lower to like lower my behavior and stuff but it's just like I don't want to like do that just to like find

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonsomebody like somebody would like me for me you know I don't want to like just lower my personality or like my sex drive and stuff like that

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonso interesting but yeah short long story short I I'm just like afraid of love so like I feel like it's a defense mechanism when guys are like have feelings for me I get kind of like scared like I literally like ghost them and [ __ ] like that cuz I just like don't

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwant to deal with that do you do you want a relationship I do I want like a husband I want a whole bunch of kids I want to live in like freaking

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonMontana and like a little country house and like I I I want that so bad like I really do but at this point in my life I'm I'm like I'm 21 like I don't think that's you have plenty of time yeah like I don't need to be like tied down on

Brian Atlasrelationship right now I definitely don't want to I mean now would you could is actually the best time to find

Jamiesomebody not when you're why why is this the best time cuz it gets harder and harder gets harder that's it cuz you're young right now oh really here go go into that why I'm so I'm 31 again um it

Jamiegets harder because everyone that you start dating not only has baggage but then you also accumulate more emotional damage so the more guys you go through the more you're going to be messed up in the head the more undoing that you're

Jamiegoing to have to do for this person that you're looking for and like besides being like sexually a virgin you want to be like as M Like a Virgin mentally as much as possible for this person that you're looking for that Mak sense yeah

Jamieyeah so it gets harder and harder from your own personality and the own things that you've built up and then also whoever you're dating also everyone out there like at my age has kids has been through narcissists have been abused and

Jamielike now we're trying to come together and like form this thing and like it just doesn't work as magically as it does when you're younger and you try to start something like that yeah old you get you just have to lesson your standards and some the people you see AR

Audi/Mickjust aren't going to check all your boxes like you want them to when they're young and they and they have the options to now it's like no one will ever check all your boxes at this age now you kind

TTS Readerof have to just settle for K donated $99 McKenna you say you attract all the wrong guys but I think you reject the

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonright ones I think you're right too I think I I just am very afraid to be in relationship but I need to learn that vulnerability and like that's what I was talking about with a guy one time he was like that's the whole point of being in relationship is to be vulnerable with

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonthat person like you trust that other person like I Maj your trust issues like I'm like very scared to be vulnerable with somebody but I feel like that's something that I do need to experience and that I definitely want to experience but I'm just like I said I'm very scared

Audi/Micktoo it's much easier to be afraid of something that you never done before but once but once you get through that experience of doing it whatever it is n relationships literally anything it's a lot when you get more comfortable and you can even reflect like okay maybe

Audi/Mickit's not going to go perfect it 100% won't because humans aren't perfect yeah you know but maybe just giving that opportunity to have that experience will take away that fear you know because

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonit's not new anymore yeah yeah where did your trust issues come from your parents uh yeah parents friends men yeah pretty much everything when I was in high school and I before I was

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisoneven a model people kind of put me on this pedestal cuz they already knew that I was you know going to be a model or like be something something so uh they put me on this pedestal and I never did that to myself but people saw me and put

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonme up there and then people would be like they would be my friend and they would use me because they thought they were going to get something out of it and uh yeah it was very some very toxic friendships and like I'd always whenever

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonthey try to like we would be like stop being friends they would come back in my life and I would take them back and then they'd [ __ ] me over again so that's never going to stop it's just about how you were able to bounce off those people better withs it gets worse now I'm

Brian Atlasbetter with friends and stuff I literally have like three just close friends I really like don't trust a lot of people don't let people in my circle anymore so I have a question for the table related to this so it sounds like for you you feel like a lot of men are

Brian Atlasawful um do you have any guys in the friend zone friend zone uh yeah I friend zoned a lot of guys friend zone a lot of guys yeah why not attracted to them not

Brian Atlasexciting enough uh yeah not attracted to them not my type at all okay have you ever friends own a guy who's like good-looking but he just was maybe dull or didn't excite

Brian Atlasyou no okay what about you have you ever friend friendzoned a guy um no I haven't never like there's never

Brian Atlasbeen a guy who's like hey I like you and you're like oh that's so sweet but can we just be friends oh yeah actually I have I had like three people fall in love with me when I worked at Hooters but they were like my people that were

Jamielike regular people that would come in there yeah and they were like older guys like they thought they had a chance of me or something I don't know word but yeah what about you um it definitely takes something a little extreme for me

Jamieto friendzone people and like I said now dating like in my age it seems like that happens a lot do do you like younger men just I don't have an age so I'll date older I'll date younger what about

Brian AtlasMick are to set everyone up with Mick tonight listen Mick's on the [ __ ] rebounds yeah you need to get on tender tonight just around I'm just I'm just throwing it out there all right I I don't mean to make it awkward or

Brian Atlasuncomfortable what do you think about you and Mick what do you mean what do I think about me and Mick you know romantically sexually I don't I don't know I don't

Brian Atlasknow him what do you think I don't know him how long are you in town for I don't know like 3 hours you got a flight tomor she going to drive no yeah I drive for like 3 hours oh wait where are you from Corona oh

Brian Atlasyou're from California I thought for some reason you from out of state

Brian Atlasum let's just move on let's move on from that question sorry Mick I'm trying Mick I'm trying okay it's all right I appreciate the go ahead continue I'm sorry what was the question again friend zone have you ever friend zoned yeah it takes

Jamiesomething really extreme for me um like for example someone could be a really nice guy have a job have all of his stuff together but then um once I find out that he wakes up in the morning morning and cracks open a beer from the moment his eyes are open you're in the

Brian Atlasfriend zone have you ever friend zoned a guy yes yeah for sure Madison feel like only like once in my life we have a video to

Brian Atlasreact to related to this Nick if you can pull up the oh before you switch to it make sure the video is full screen it's the Reddit video about the friend zoning

Brian Atlasmake sure it's full screen though

Brian Atlasyeah yeah audio

Unknownon go ahead where the hell do you all be finding these men that are obsessed with you check good Fathers can take care of you check your friends on check your friends on and here's the catch here's

Brian Atlasthe catch check your friends on when they're mad check your friends out cuz I'm going to need one of them check it what what do you guys think about that what do you think I don't have any friends like that it's funny no I think

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI think it's true for sure yeah cuz the nice guys are usually in the friend zone and those are the ones that are going to treat you good yeah but they're in the friend zone yeah that's why it's good to be friends

Brian Atlaswith someone before you date them what's that be friends with someone before you date them like yeah but the friend zone is like that's different than being well that's like they like you and you're

Audi/Mickjust like friend zone is like you're permanently in that zone like you're not getting from that both men and women contribute to that because if men is sitting around willing to um drool over

Audi/Micka girl after she doesn't even show one ounce of reciprocation that's also on him but also um the females is weird for just keeping men around that they don't actually want cuz I like that's just people you spending your time with and

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisongiving your energy that you don't actually want in the long run yeah guess can you skoot your mic that's why you don't really edge of the table friend zone guys cuz you already know what their intentions are so it's like you

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonmight as well just keep going out of I don't have any like guy friends like maybe one in Tennessee but it's like no guy friends they always is that a real thing like women like like guys that are

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonjust like going to treat them kind of crappy I don't think that I don't think so I I want to be treated some girls don't like put them down stuff and be like you suck just like or just like

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonbeing rude would being rude be considered bad E I think that's disgusting if a guy being rude rude but like like what I was saying like I like a to play games with me and stuff like

Mickthat I understand the teasing thing but but teas the teasing can be attractive but I would say like not um like being rude cuz that's when I when I hear like

TTS Readerbeing like that that's what I think of seeb donated 99 appreciate it thank you than taking the easy road now tends to lead to a hard road later if you take

TTS Readerthe hard roads now they tend to lead you to the easy roads later of is the easy road that so many women are taking to the a hard future push past your fears

Brian Atlasdo the hard things that was beautiful that should be that sounds like a country song Almost A Hard Road taking the easy Road I got a chat here before it disappears from John

Brian AtlasJohn says can we talk about what non-physical traits on a guy is attractive uh we'll do that then I want to get into like the boring thing really quick because that's come up a couple times go around the table really quick on this uh non physical yeah is

TTS Readerattractive like so like personality ohal we might have did we kind of touch it we might have talked about it Bank St donated

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McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonbeing for the streets and find a guy like Mick I just laugh a lot and that's not funny at all but I really do laugh a lot if you can't tell well some people laugh in uncomfortable that's not like that's

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonawful I feel so like my dad went through a lot of hard stuff but yeah yeah I'm sure that was hard on the whole family we have one from grid One Motorsports uh McKenna can you read this for us red is a perfect example of wasted youth your 20s are not for partying and

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonbeing free it is for learning how to be a good human and building your value not adding bodies and baggage your response um I partied when I was like in high school like 15 16 17 I don't really party anymore I don't do

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisondrugs anymore I know brought that up now everyone thinks I'm a drug addict but no I don't do that anymore I don't even smoke weed anymore I drink every now and then normally when I travel like go to out of state or different countries and

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI go to clubs like in Europe and stuff but uh no I don't really party like in San Diego there's not really a good party scene there in my opinion but wow

Brian Atlasuh you said some guys are boring to you I think you said did you say boring too earlier on in the conversation uh

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwho related to that if a guy is boring is that the turn off turn off yeah you need like a guy to be to some degree toxic not toxic but just like creative

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonand like fun they like to that's a different definition for everybody I think yeah just like fun creative they like to do stuff adventurous would you

Brian Atlasprefer but here's the thing though some women would rather date a toxic guy than a boring guy because toxic is more entertaining I probably yeah guess toxic

Brian Atlasprobably more entertaining now I realize that you you can be not boring and also be not toxic right absolutely absolutely it seems to me that and I've mentioned this in previous shows that a

Brian Atlaslot of women are looking to men when it comes to dating and relationships and a life partner you're looking to men to be your entertainment and like news flash I mean

Brian Atlasmen have been taught like oh you've got to be funny women like funny men that's and look obviously the dating Marketplace is very competitive and as a man you have to meet a million different

Brian Atlascriteria to be attractive to a wide array of women but like my personal stance on this is bro we're not we as men were not here to be your entertainment and we have

Brian Atlasthere's a lot of men out there running around trying to be [ __ ] dancing monkeys to entertain you like oh let me try to be a really entertaining guy and I feel like one that does not necessarily make for a strong foundation

Brian Atlasfor a relationship but I just I it's it's on a couple levels one men have been told you need to be really entertaining and funny and charismatic and all these things to

Brian Atlasattract a woman and also we have a society which has basically rewired people's brains to be so focused on short-term pleasure seeking our

Brian Atlasattention spans are completely destroyed completely diminished you have Tik Tok which I mean that totally warps your brain and how you're like imagine trying

Brian Atlasto read a book after you just scrolled on Tik Tok for [ __ ] two hours good luck I read books after you is it is it nearly as entertaining as just scrolling

Brian Atlason Tik Tok that's that's fine but I guess what I'm trying to say is my view is we as men we not here to be your entertainers if you want to be entertained if you want to be not bored

Brian Atlasgo watch Netflix yeah like I'm not saying like as a guy you shouldn't to be competitive I'm not saying like in the same way that for example I

Brian Atlassay while I personally don't think men should pay on first dates men should pay on first dates just to minmax their dating success and dating results so you

Brian Atlasshould minmax your excuse me you should minmax your personality and your charisma in order to be successful when it comes to dating but there's just like

Brian Atlasso many things that men have to do to be attractive to women uh so but I don't think it ought to be the case that men need to be these dancing

Brian Atlasmonkeys so I feel like it goes both ways go ahead How does it go both ways when when like is it ever the case that do do you think like men go on dates and they're like secretly hoping that women

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonare like really funny no but like how you said earlier which it's appearance based like I don't like girls that have fake boobs or fake lips it I mean everyone has their type oh sure yeah

Jamiesure but I'm not I'm not really following I don't know I think she's saying like why can't funny just be part of someone's type without it being act you're like

TTS Readerforcing some funny well I I accept that women are attracted to funny men much in the same way that I accept women are attracted to tall men for examp $9 condoms do not protect from genital

TTS Readerherpes as evidenced by all corn Stars being infected what a filthy animal red must be panel do not touch her skin it's dangerous for the panel one by one would

Brian Atlasyou see with someone with genital herpes Jay Butler do you know that we conjured you like an hour ago Jay Butler I did I what's the right word not conjure we we

Brian Atlassummoned we summoned you an hour ago to ask a uh so the question is would you just quick yes or no would you date someone or what did he say date or sleep with sleep I think sorry let me would

Brian Atlasyou sleep with someone with gentle herpes no me no hard no no no no not if I knew they had

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonit like I said test results and like testing is really yeah important Mick especially in our industry no I no I would not Madison no

Brian AtlasI would not uh good talk wait what okay we were talking about ENT can I add to that conv yeah um I actually really like boring men because

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI don't think they're actually boring they've they they value peace um is what I've noticed so a lot of boring men are actually very ambitious in their careers

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonum typically take care of their bodies um and um have a job that they have to extend their mind and body to so when like boring it's typically guys that

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonenjoy movies or relaxing being able to add to their piece so I value my piece too so somebody like that kind of adds to my piece and I can add to theirs yeah I don't know I see like on

Brian Atlasdating apps I used to see this well I'm not on dating apps anymore but when I used to be I'd always see like women say take me on an adventure

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonmhm yeah I'm like you're not that special like I don't like the demanding of it like how it's like they expect the guy to do it but like it should be fun to

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonlike go on a trip with your boyfriend and it's like an equal thing yeah but that's after you like dated them for a while like you know that's kind of like an entitled way to like approach I yeah

Brian AtlasI mean I think when women say that there's like no chemistry or he's boring translation he doesn't trigger my anxious trauma response which I confuse with love I could

Mickcould be the thing I think it could be it could be it sorry there's fly uh I have a lot of trauma books that I read about like stuff like that I think that would be awesome though like go to a

Micktrip to like the Grand Canyon like drive from La like like as your second date you just do that you know doing experi second date you wouldn't even know them that's a long car ride true they might

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonkill you yeah you'd be like actually this person is what what number like fourth date fif I would say like six months of dat oh yeah something like that I think like 6 months for me

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonanyways I'll take you on our first dinner date 6 months oh is that like talking or actually dating like committed in a relationship dating wait maybe so what are you doing up until then yeah like what's going on speak

Brian Atlasinto the mic if you sorry about that what are you doing up until then you said no dinner date until 6 months NF you know like going out to a restaurant like 6 months in you know come

Brian Atlascome over in Netflix let's just hang out oh my God just come over so you're introverted to your house I'm a I'm a homebody yeah yeah I'm a home body too no I mean I'm being a bit factious but like

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonuh I like that's what people say when they talk about boring though like if you don't want to do anything and you just want to yeah you just L B all day

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonplay video games all yeah I asked this guy to go Sky dipping with me in the ocean and he didn't want to go a little fun thing to do that's fun though that's like spontaneous I'm like get naked and get in the ocean if a guy asked me to

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisoncome to his house on the first day I wouldn't go yeah I wouldn't either I wouldn't either cuz it made me feel like trying to Never Say Never Never Say Never while we're talking about that um something I've been seeing a lot on like

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonFacebook and like Tik Tok and stuff is girls complaining about dates like where a guy offered to take them can we oh I saw that it was like a viral Twitter thing it was like apple be I would love go to chees

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwhat he could take me to the drive-thru in McDonald's I would not care I get down at cheesecake actually Nick are you able to find that remember the list of all it was like Yeah there aist on Facebook that I saw I forgot where it

Brian Atlaswas didn't you just like pull it up randomly or something yeah it was on Twitter have it I can send it to him wait let's do twitch really quick Nick let's do twitch um let's not we'll we'll

Brian Atlasprobably have to skip over that I want to try to keep the com oh Raven DT question for the panel would you data man who played World of Warcraft oh God

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonokay if he's hot if he's hot yeah that's a fun game I don't know what it is yes no I don't like people

TTS Readersure did y' all see the hardcore Mach Gora tournament today on pretty okay never mind grid One Motorsports donated

TTS Reader$100 what 300 and fours view as boring in a man is actually the lack of toxicity being serious about the business and purposeful in the lives OD you can't see that for the panel how has

Brian Atlasmodern feminism affected your dating how can the patriarchy help you today them some big work I don't know what that means uh I don't think they're going to

Brian Atlasbe able to interpret that last question why don't I ask just this uh who here considers themselves a feminist I don't even know what it means I don't know what it means McKenna in your notes you said you were a feminist I did yeah you you said you

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonwere a feminist in your not I'm for feminism yay I don't know what it means like genuinely same I don't like the

Jamiefeminist movement no no what I I'm not I don't share any like political stances or views on anything that's going on in

Kiarathe world right now including that okay um yeah I'm not into it either like

Audi/Mickum I'm all for equality but PE men and women is different so I will say um that um I don't like the feminist movement

Brian Atlasbut I believe in equality as much as possible nope yeah n okay all right let's see here we have who we got some

Brian Atlasmore notes from people oh yeah twitch yo uh did I call did I get wall thank for the prime B body drop thank for the

Brian Atlasgifted sub R12 than for the prime red than for the Prime thank you guys twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub let's see here we have uh we have

JamieJamie yeah modern dating is absolute trash why why and how um well you caught me at a bad time when I was answering that question but

Jamieum I don't know dating is like the economy you know sometimes business booming other times make you crawl right back to your toxic X but um I feel like

Jamieat least for me in the age that I'm at I'm in kind of a divide where I can date like the age group ahead of me or I can date the age group behind me and I feel

Jamielike um I don't really fit in with either of them um so like the newer Generation Um when it comes to like employees dating and everything seems to be really entitled um and that trickles

Jamiedown a lot into dating um and then the older generation is just kind of too old school for me like so um what do you mean by uh entitled in in the workplace what do you mean by that um I feel like

Jamiethe newer generation is entitled in a lot of different aspects of life so in the employment industry and dating and everything it kind of trickles down but it seems like everyone just for example my friend will be like um I want a guy

Jamiewho looks like this does this has just this job but at the same time she lives with her parents so it seems like people are expecting a lot more than they can offer themselves and that's what I mean

Brian Atlasby entitlement I see okay um in what other ways do you guys like well first let's ask the whole table do you guys think that modern dating is absolute trash show of hands is it absolute

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisontrash Madison please don't do the Roman salute it may not be absolute trash but it's not good okay uh because I think of like dating apps and stuff and like social media I think

Jamieit's cuz dating apps people think cheating is okay now there's open relationships it makes people just be very surface too like you're literally just judging someone based off of their looks and you haven't spoken to them you

Jamiehaven't had a conversation with them and so what kind of real relationship can you start by just looking at left swiping someone you know yeah without getting you said you said that you're kind of internally masculine and that

Brian Atlasyou'll approach a guy if you see one that you want yeah okay uh you know what you know what we should do do do any of the girls at the table

Brian Atlasthink that they have game yeah yeah yeah I don't no game bad game you got game I'm pimp you got R you're

Brian Atlaspimp do you got game no sir okay we'll still have you do it anyways uh so here's what we're going to do I'm going to pretend no well because this thing

Brian Atlasyou said is you'd be approaching a guy so what I what we sometimes do is we'll have the girl pretend to be a guy and have her hit

Brian Atlason someone pretending to be a guy like to put themselves in the but uh okay um so you'd approach a guy uh let's see

Brian Atlaslet's see your game oh no come on pretend pretend I'm like a 4 foot 11 oh my god dog gromor um well it's not

Jamiealways just verbal so a lot of times I've like walked by and slipped a phone number on a napkin like to a person and then like I'll like make eye contact as I walk away or I'll just go up and be really bubbly like they don't expect me

Jamieto go up and be like hey I'm Jamie and I'll shake their hand very firmly and be like so I do this what do you do I'll just like kind of start conversation I'm not like hey baby like what's up like wait I'm just cuz earlier on in the

Brian Atlasconversation you said you don't really it sounded like to me you said you didn't really care that much about physical appearance I don't but like a if I was on a dating app it would kind of force me to be that way but but you

Jamiesaid but you said you'll approach a guy I'm assuming in person if you see one that you want yeah so that's I can't really explain that it's like the way that they carry themselves the way that

Jamiethey speak yeah and so it's not just a like typical you know what they look like all right let's do a little role play here let's see an approach pretend okay

Kiarawhat's the I'm we're at the dog park we're at the dog park where the dog par she's got a face you got a happy dog that needs

Jamiegroomy that's such a layup but okay okay all right I'm GNA try um hi I'm Jamie nice to meet you you literally just walk up is that sorry s s

Jamieokay okay fine oh yeah a lot of a lot of times I'll walk up and just introduce myself that's J nice to meet you not I won't be too okay I not every time that's not the game it really just depends on the situation good to meet

Jamiemeet you yeah so you live around here yeah yeah where about I live in that Mansion over there oh okay I live about 10 minutes away what kind of dog do you

Brian Atlashave it's a uh it's a Chihuahua and Pitbull mix oh my God how cute yeah the father was the Chihuahua surprisingly I don't know how that worked yeah that's

Jamieinteresting yeah what about what about you what's your dog I have two standard poodles and a pit lab okay yeah so what do you do what do I do yeah for work or

Jamieyeah for a living I am a dog gromor oh wow small world oh you too do you need a

Jamiejob no I'm just kidding I wouldn't say that I don't know it's just casual conversation with girls it's not the same typical game that you would see like a man pulling like I'm not just going to be like so did it hurt when you

Jamiefell out heaven like that's not that's not good no it's just I'm going to be like confident in myself I'm going to be bubbly and then to a certain point if he's not like reciprocating then I'll be like all right nice to meet you like

Brian Atlashave a good night but okay I mean you're a tough one are you are you going to look to the guy because I think a lot of women were like say oh I initiate but

Brian Atlaseven if you do that token initial approach which that's more than 99% of women do already so I give you credit

TTS Readerbut hold on I'll let this donated 9 Brian stop let's discuss Donald Trump what do you all think of him he's a rich

Brian Atlasman here how about this yes or no would you date Donald Trump no no no no no no

Brian Atlasno okay um so I give you credit for uh ripping lips thank you man uh being forward yeah no I mean most women 99% of women would never approach a guy so I

Brian Atlasgive you credit for that um but [ __ ] where where was I going uh something about what it's true though I feel like guys have to have game to H

Brian Atlasyou lost it was working huh was that oh no I think what I was going to say say was is that in the same thing with like Bumble where here's a dating app where women have to make the first

Brian Atlasmove they have to send the first message it's very token because a lot of women one they'll just send out a hey and then sh immediately shift the entire conversational burden onto the man men

Brian Atlasalready but I'm curious with you when you've approached men like will you take in addition to just that which I credit you for to that first initial uh

Brian Atlasinitiative step will you also do the other initiative steps so for example you do the approach but then will you also be like you know you have a conversation for a couple minutes will

Brian Atlasbecause it's you can't just continue the conversation definitely yeah there needs to come a point where you need to lead and be like well hey I was I'm really you seem really nice you seem very pleasant I'd like to uh grab a cup of

Brian Atlascoffee or grab food with you sometime are you are you single are you free um so will you be the one who will uh move things forward from there so it depends cuz obviously there's some guys who will

Jamieis just a dead conversation like they are giving you nothing to go off of if someone's at least like bubbly and being reciprocative and like you know coming back at me then I then I'll have the confidence to like continue and be like

Jamieso do you want to go get a drink sometime or do you have a girlfriend is nor what I asked before I asked they want to go out um well cuz sometimes cuz a lot of men don't get approached a lot

Jamieso uh do you make it pretty clear that you're hitting on them like you're interest I would think so that's why I'm saying I keep trying until I know that it's dead like until I know you know how when girls are trying not to be

Jamieapproached but they're trying to be nice and they're just like guys do that too so so I can sense that after a certain point in the convers and I'll be like all right I'm going to back out he obviously does not want to talk to me or

Brian Atlasall right I'll take a girl approaches you and she's kind of if she's like it's not clear that she's hitting on you cuz like for example if it's at a dog park it's plausible that people regularly

Brian Atlaslike there's regulars at dog park people might say hi Oh dogs interacting right I don't know if you're going to dog parks in frequently but um someone coming up to you might not

Jamienecessarily like they could just be trying to have a conversation with you but like at a certain point they're not like if someone's talking to you

Jamieenough and it's of the opposite sex they're usually not just trying to see how your day is at a certain point yeah but like the thing is is uh if you approach a guy and you've not like cuz

Brian Atlasyou said well if they're not really giving me anything back like the way I'm going to be talking to a girl who I think is just like it's it's like a casual conversation I'm not going to

Jamielike I'm not really going to try to be flirting with her but if she's made it clear to me that she's interested in some way not flirting but like the one-word answers if they give me like

Jamiefive one-word answers where they're not like so what about you and they're not reciprocating that that's more what I mean not like plain black and white flirting so then that at that point I'll either pull back and be like all right this person wants nothing to do with me

Jamieor I'll I'll just jump right into it and be like hey so do you want get a drink sometime or hey can I get your number got it okay let's see the RZ let's see the RZ from you go ahead Riz time hi my

McKenna/Haley/Sage/Madisonname is McKenna seagar do you want to dance with me we at a club yeah anywhere I'll dance with someone anywhere I'll dance with them I'll play music off my damn phone and dance with a guy anywhere I love dancing she's just forward I'm

McKenna/Haley/Sage/MadisonI'm forward too like I'll literally if I'm at a club too I'll like tap a guy on the back I'm like you want to dance with me I'm kind of aggressive like that as well like I don't know I I'll I'll L walk in the club and I'll just I mean

Brian Atlasthat immediately ends the conversation so he doesn't want to dance with me then that's well that's what I do my bad yeah but then like okay cool if I say yes then we've we're now dancing and the

Brian Atlasconversation's over I'm talking about some scenario where like you have to Riz like you have to run game you said you got game let's hear it my game well

Brian AtlasI wouldn't run a game on you well we're in Trader Dr hi my name is McKenna s s dance [ __ ] Trader Jo [ __ ]

Brian Atlasyeah I do we going to be finger banging in the Trader Joe's [ __ ] maybe maybe okay all right is that it do you want to

Kiaratry again no you can skip me go ahead go ahead R me up okay uh name a place any I you're the rizer okay okay um come on

Kiararizzler rler okay let's say at a park um and you had a dog um I'll be like oh yeah I was through the same like um you have a nice dog what's your dog's name

Brian AtlasMaximillian oh what a nice day name what's your name Brian nice you come here often uh I do yeah I come I love this

Brian Atlaspark my dog shits in it all the time oh you're funny that's kind of cute thanks babe I wouldn't say that I would

Kiarasay and you have a nice smile um do you have Instagram or can I get your number maybe we could walk our dogs what huh walk our

Brian Atlasdogs yeah maybe never mind that was that was decent she uses compliments for her RZ I like it it was it was good you you you let on pretty early on that you're

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