ØF Girls BOYFRIEND Joins Stream?! 130+ Body Count?! | Dating Talk #65

Date: 2023-03-22

Duration: 4h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMadison (SBCC)>

KKelsey (DT65)>

CCassandra (DT65)>

MMonica (DT65)>

IIsabelle Brown >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mick(guest)

SPEAKER_02Vita(guest)

SPEAKER_03Cassandra(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison Vu(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kayn(guest)

SPEAKER_06Key(guest)

SPEAKER_07Eric(audience)

SPEAKER_08Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Monica(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kelsey(guest)

SPEAKER_14Isabelle Brown(guest)

Key Moments

IntroKelsey introduces herself as a recovering sex addict and recovering opiate addict, announces her new podcast "Chronicles of Craving."

“my name is Kelsey I'm 22 I go to LCC in Eugene Oregon and I am a waitress and I also just started a podcast Chronicles of Craving”

ControversyKelsey describes peak sex addiction behavior: bringing up to 6 men per night to her home, one after another. Brian asks detailed questions.

“I was like bringing over six dudes a night like it just was never enough”

Key MomentKelsey discloses body count of ~136, says she keeps notes.

“it's not like 300 or anything it's it's like 136 I think”

ControversyIsabelle challenges Key/Mick arrangement using biomedical science: oxytocin bonding means you cannot separate romance from physical intimacy.

“you can't separate the Romantic emotional part of engaging in the most intimate experience that you can with another human being”

OtherMick (Key's fiance) joins the show from the audience after chat reacts to the OF situation. Brian reveals Key is engaged.

“yes um I'm with her you're engaged to her yes we are engaged”

OtherKey announces on-air she is quitting the adult industry. Brian confirms. Key then immediately walks it back to keeping OnlyFans.

“she's quitting for real yes okay then from this point on what are we both going to do for money... the only fans money is too good okay then”

QuoteIsabelle cites Pew Research data: ~73% of Gen Z who are dating are unhappy; proposes cultural change from inside out rather than regulatory rollback.

“most of gen zers if you are in a relationship you are unhappy I think the figure from Pew was about 73%”

QuoteIsabelle gives extended defense of Andrew Tate: argues media attacks on him are an assault on masculinity, his message has transformed lives.

“the assault on masculinity that our culture has promoted... people who are going to encourage men to be who they were supposed to be”

OtherBrian performs the All Blacks Haka live on stream after a $1,000 donation from "Smith." Scuffed performance with YouTube video playing.

“okay all right I'm ready this so cringe bro”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & relationship statuses

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation). Brian goes around table for relationship statuses. Kelsey (sex addiction/recovery), Mick & Key (engaged, OF situation), Madison (planning marriage at 18), Kayn (situationship), Isabelle (engaged), Monica (life partner 5 yrs), Vita (single, virgin).

Kelsey's sex addiction story

Extended discussion of Kelsey's opiate recovery, transition to sex addiction, peak behavior (up to 6 men per night, ~136 body count), move from Olympia WA, launch of podcast "Chronicles of Craving." Body count disclosed as ~136. Brian asks detailed follow-up questions about scheduling, apps, volume.

Mick & Key: OF relationship dynamic

Key's boyfriend/fiance Mick joins from the audience at ~0:26:08 after the show chat reacts. Extended discussion of how they got into the adult industry (financial hardship, $100 left), how Mick feels (accepted but not happy), Key's perspective (it's a job), guest panel weighs in. Key announces quitting the industry live on-air at ~1:06 then walks it back to just OF.

Jealousy & double standards in relationships

Discussion of jealousy in the context of Key's situation, and broader double standards around men and women in sexual contexts. Whether emotional vs. physical infidelity are different. Cassandra, Kayn, Madison contribute.

Feminism debate

Monica calls modern feminism a supremacist cult. Kelsey partially agrees, differentiates equity vs equality. Isabelle argues modern feminism conflates submission with inferiority. Cassandra has mixed views. Vita believes birth control and abortion normalize promiscuity.

Physical ratings round

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Kelsey: ~4, Key: 6-7, Kayn: 7 (sometimes 10), Cassandra: 6 (7 with makeup), Isabelle: 6 without / 7 with makeup, Brian: solid 8.3. Mick rates women: mostly agrees with self-ratings; calls Key his 10, rates Kelsey ~9, rates Brian 10 for a man.

Gen Z dating crisis & hookup culture

Extended panel discussion on Gen Z unhappiness in dating (Pew data cited by Isabelle: ~73% unhappy), hookup culture, whether it can be reversed, social media and dating apps as root causes. Brian argues the culture war is already lost. Isabelle argues for cultural change from inside out. Kelsey on normalization of average men.

Marriage incentives, divorce rates & family courts

Brian discusses divorce rate statistics (80% initiated by women), alimony flow (90-97% men to women), bias in family courts, disincentives for men to marry. Proposals to change marriage law. Isabelle on setting boundaries. Single mother household outcomes cited by Kelsey/Brian.

Body count, pair-bonding & CDC data

Discussion of Kelsey's 136 body count. Brian references CDC studies correlating higher body count with greater likelihood of infidelity, relationship dissatisfaction, STDs, and difficulty pair-bonding. Kelsey argues people can change. Brian uses cigarette lung analogy for lasting damage.

Abortion & pro-life debate

Near end of show, brief discussion of abortion. Vita: pro-life (birth control + abortion drive promiscuity). Isabelle: strongly pro-life (studied fetal development; 96% of biologists agree life begins at conception per Princeton study). Monica: calls herself pro-choice but says it is killing a being. Cassandra: cautiously pro-choice. Kayn: would not rule out dating pro-life man. Madison: pro-choice (SA exceptions).

Andrew Tate opinions

Panel goes around on Andrew Tate. Madison: likes his confidence and morals. Kelsey: respects him for walking the walk (multiple women), but has disagreements. Mick: knows some things, believes he is held illegally. Cassandra: common sense, doesn't like his character act. Monica: 70/30. Vita: agrees with Mick on legal issues. Isabelle: lengthy defense; argues media attacks on Tate are an assault on masculinity; his message has transformed lives.

Patrice O'Neal clip & discussion

Brian plays Patrice O'Neal clip about what a woman would do to keep her man if she lost her genitalia in a train accident. Panel responds. Isabelle refuses to engage with premise (biblical vows). Monica: would let him sleep with other women. Kayn: would do other things. Cassandra: agrees with Mick (Mick said he would never leave). Madison: everything she can, not let him go elsewhere.

Transcript

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Isabelle Brownthis Progressive societ that we've spent so many decades trying to build a Utopia to live in is working I don't think any like previous generations were either

Madison Vuhappy I wouldn't say happy either like obviously jenz like hookup culture blah blah blah they're so blindsided by that by it's because it's just like occupying

Madison Vuthem like living in a college town living here in Isa Vista I go out I see people have meaningless hookups all this stuff but it to them it just like that's what college to them is about and that

Cassandrais kind of like ingrained into their minds from previous generations of people too so how do we stop it we can't yeah I I want to have faith that we can like do a drastic turnaround but I don't

Cassandrathink it is uh the internet in itself there's so much privacy of what somebody could do on their phone anyway that like I think we're too far gone honestly I also genuinely believe that people don't

Brian Atlascare anymore yeah well one I think one big issue is so let's talk a little bit about divorce too so there I think there's really two solutions to the divorce issue is

Brian Atlaseither the okay so men are disincentivized to get married because of the financial risks that are involved and you know men are waking up to the fact that 50% of marriages and divorce

Brian Atlas80% of marriages are initiated or sorry excuse me 80% of divorces are in initiated by women so one of two things or both things have to happen either we

Brian Atlasas a society we need to re stigmatize getting divorced which right now there is no there's no longer any social stigma there used to be there's no longer any social repercussions to

Brian Atlasgetting divorced that's not going to happen so the only thing that can happen is we need to change the marriage laws to reinen divize men to want to get married so there needs to there can no

Brian Atlaslonger be and that might come at to the detriment of some women because a woman who does fully sacrifice her career to raise a family there is

Brian Atlasthere is to some degree a legitimate argument to be made for to to continue supporting her in the vent of a divorce however I mean I don't want to get too far down that there there are some arguments to be made there there are definitely Arguments for child support

Brian Atlasbecause it's for the benefit of the child however uh the way it's currently is women are incentivized to get divorced because there's a financial reward so you never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it

Brian Atlasand if the male's a breadwinner the woman's not not and there's a dispute in the relationship it can be very tempting to be like well if I divorce him I get this much money and I don't have to deal with him anymore so I think that

Brian Atlasprobably the marriage laws have to be Rewritten however um go ahead I was going to say so the law doesn't specifically say um you know

Brian Atlaswomen get all the money in divorce right it says whoever is making the most income is getting Al so yes if the woman's you're right if the woman's the bread winner then and she gets divorced

Brian Atlasif she gets divorced then she might be paying alimony payments to the men however the stats Al also further show I think it's like 97 it's either 90 or 97%

Brian Atlasof alimony payments go from men to women so there's that and then Z donated $99.99 hello Brian you're a legend keep

TTS Readerup the work do you think making $1 million a month can get me almost any girl in America Dubai oil geek SL Prince by the way you're a oil geek Prince by

Brian Atlasthe way um hold on I got something for you I drink your milkshake favorite movie I drink it up yo thank you man um

Brian Atlasa m what was it a million a month he said million a month we get you any girl in the US I think you need more than just money uh yeah you need more than just money in the US for to you need a

Brian Atlasbro you need the entire package in the US I think um okay so to bring it back we were talking about marriage so um [ __ ] I divorce divorce um oh yeah 90 I

Brian Atlasthink 90% 97% of alimony payments go from men to women so and but in addition to that even if even if the whether it's the man's the bread winner the woman's

Brian Atlasthe bread winner there's a bias in the court system against men so I I mean I I don't know if they've done studies on this but I'd be curious to say if even in situations where the woman's The Breadwinner if there's a

Brian Atlaslittle more leniency perhaps men are less likely to seek alimony I'm not entirely sure on all those details but there's 100% of bias in family court systems when it comes to child custody and when it comes to alimony well I

Kelseythink it depends on where you live right like if you're living in a predominantly conservative area in America it's like Mississippi or like places where um I'll just say women's reproductive rights

Brian Atlasaren't legal I think they usually with the men like no honestly in in some ways this is like kind of a little Advanced take on this

Brian Atlasfeminism and conservative uh conservatives have a few things in common women need to be protect like there are it's it's a different I'm not sure exactly how to articulate this

Brian Atlasbut what whatever state you're in there's a bi bias against men in the court system doesn't matter what state it's worse in Liberal uh liberal states but there is a bias against men in the court system so I agree like I grew up

Kelseywith a single dad for a little bit right my mom was like she she had her own issues and so my I had a very strong relationship with my dad my dad's like

Kelseymy best friend so oh is there it's it's it's about to come in so so yes so he got screwed over by the court system plenty of times uh he tried to file a no contact order against her all this kind

Kelseyof stuff got denied got denied got denied so I agree that there's like a stigma but wouldn't like I don't agree with any extremes for

TTS Readeranything but in that scenario I'd rather have this is going to sounds so horrible but hold that speed the unsilent super

TTS Reader$100 as a high value man myself I do not want a woman who has slept around I want a woman who does not party I want a wife not a three

TTS Reader4 party girl your past may be in the past but that past will tell your future partner what you are capable of so can I respond to that yeah I think there's a double double up here so okay maybe just

TTS Readeruh hold up Speedy thank you so much for the uh1 oh thank you man so confused super chated $100 I'm a college professor 336 to1 I'm successful have a house honestly

TTS Readerspeaking could work on myself a little bit what do you women want also I won't get married without a prenuptial agreement also great

Brian Atlasshow what do women want oh also as far as the prenups just I mean they're not bulletproof just letting you know just be cognizant of that yeah I was going to

Kelseysay just really quick to that if my past predicted my future I why wouldn't I relapse like that that doesn't make any sense people can change people are we're

Kelseyhuman beings we have issues my ex also sold drugs in his past but do I does that make him like a bad person in a no you know people make mistakes so I don't

Brian Atlasknow are you are you referencing the fact that you have a high body count yeah yeah okay so that's just my op people people can change but because of your high body count in your previous sexual addiction that might be a reason

Brian Atlasor reasons why a man might want to disqualify you or preclude you uh preclude pursuing you because of that and that's fine that's their personal preference but if you're going to use past against me and say that you know

Kelseylike I can no longer emotionally connect with a man because I've done this this and this with however many people that's just not true I feel like when I look at a man that I'm in love with to this day I still feel I I just personal

Brian Atlasexperience I just don't feel that way but but I the thing is is that I mean sure that could be the case but I mean they've done their studies on this CDC did the study on this I mean the more premarital sexual partners you've had

Brian Atlasthe greater likelihood of infidelity the greater likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction uh the greater likelihood of divorce greater likelihood of STD greater likelihood of

Brian Atlasum let's see what else um there's there you have a more difficult time pair bonding so right so but did they do that study with women that were consistently sleeping with multiple and multiple men

Kelseyor did they do that study with women that like slept with like 50 dudes like one year and then they held off for like two years straight because I feel like the longer as time goes on my body is kind of like reset itself it's like I'm

Kelseygetting sober again you know what I mean I'm finally seeing with like a a clear head and not having to sexualize everybody all the time cuz I sexualize women just as much as I did men like it was always a competition thing right because I was trying to have sex so but

Brian Atlasregardless you know what I mean well I don't know if this is and and this just occurred to me so I don't know if it's an if it's a Perfect Analogy but you mentioned well what if you know how soon

Brian Atlasafter the promiscuity so to speak did they do the study I I'm not on that but I this might not be an apt analogy I think take uh cigarette

Brian Atlassmokers for example so if someone's just constantly smoking every single day and then you do a study on their lungs or something this might be this might not even make sense you do a study on their lungs and they just smoked a pack

Brian Atlasyesterday you know maybe there's going to be something there but then if they cease smoking say for two years I think there is some degree of regeneration that your lungs can undertake however your lungs will still be [ __ ] up

Kelseythere's some permanent damage there that's not going to be undone yeah and I'm just it listen again I'm not looking for a high value man you know what I mean I'm typically I would probably find somebody within my league like somebody who's in recovery somebody who knows how

Kelseyeven then like some people still can't understand sex addiction they don't even think it's a real thing but like somebody who's in that field so I think generally in life people date within their leagues I don't think men date

Kelseydown or anything like that but actually well men I would say men do datee down what well why are like models marrying with athletes and like why are celebrities marrying celebrities you

Kelseyknow what I mean or models marrying presidents or you could say you know that people date generally within their social class or League well I mean I there's generally speaking I say men

Brian Atlasdate across and down socioeconomic hierarchies women date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies I mean I don't know it's just my opinion not only date but men will sleep down most women women won't

Kelseysleep down yeah men will sleep down for sure but I don't know I just men date down too I don't think so are men date down yeah no it's way harder for men to get

Brian Atlaswomen than the reverse well I'll tell you I've like flirted with guys that I know are out of my league and they they don't want anything to do with me yeah so they don't date down well not it's not a guarantee that all men are going to but gen I would say generally

Brian Atlasspeaking men will date oh are you talking about social class or attractiveness both okay men men will definit okay men definitely date down social class man a man who's a doctor a man

Brian Atlaswho's attorney will date a barista a female attorney a female doctor she's probably not looking a barista's

Kelseyway I I don't know attractiveness that that's a bit I I'd say men still dat down on that realm but that I mean that's no way dude no come on Brian you can't be pulling my leg like that well

Kelseyhere I think they'll screw down I think they'll screw when you know how many I've had like Instagram mail models drive all the way up from LA to like my house to come get it on with me but

Brian Atlaswould he ever date me no okay that that's a fair point yes right that a lot of men will sleep points down you know if you think of their equivalent attractiveness level yeah they'll

Brian Atlasthey'll sleep down for sure but you're you're right that in terms of getting commitment from that guy no there you go that was my point no so yes you're right like but I would say but

Brian Atlashere's the thing though is women don't sleep down looks either generally speaking for for I would say and look there obviously there's outliers some some chick might be drunk and she hooks

Brian Atlasup some well she will if if she's into the guy right like if she has an yeah so so a guy can make up for it in other ways through status money and uh personality so if charismatic men can

Brian Atlasmake up for their bad looks in other ways whereas I think women you know even if you got a great personality it's not going to shift shift that much in terms of the kind of sexual pull that or

Brian Atlasrelationship pull that you can get from men however for a woman to sleep with a guy he needs to be at least attractive enough for her to consider being in a relationship with him when I and when I

Brian Atlassay attractive at least attractive enough uh physically attractive enough oh yeah I agree there he has to at least be physically attractive enough for her to consider being in a relationship with whereas for men it's the opposite men

Brian Atlaswill sleep with women in terms of their physical appearance that they would never consider being in a relationship with right but you said that men date down as far as women's appearance and I said they still do cuz some men yeah cuz

Brian Atlassome men like yeah men men don't have a lot of options so women sleep with who they want men sleep with who they can so and a lot of guys in the space sleep or well

Brian Atlasa lot guys in this space say women control access to sex men control access to relationship I disagree with that only the top tier men control access to relationships women still have the power

Brian Atlasin both of those because most men like a lot of men really struggle to get women whether that's even to sleep with or by the way there the computer's going to go black don't worry about it um whether

Brian Atlasthat's to sleep with or to get a relationship with right so but at the same time like um sorry I lost my train of thought it's all good um yeah you can come back to me sorry did you want to

Madison Vucome in on something yeah I feel like that goes both ways like what's up speaking for all of us like for example like you're not going to walk up to an not that pretty girl and talk to her as

Madison Vua guy as a guy yeah have you heard of 2 A.M I mean no I mean well but like relationship wise okay hookup wise maybe

Madison Vuyeah but relationship wise you're not going to like be at a bar and walk up to an ugly girl trying to be in a relationship with her you're going to walk up to the prettiest girl that you see in the bar going for girls too you're going to walk up to the most

Brian Atlasattractive guy you see in the bar like everything first initially I believe is based off appearance I would actually disagree like when you say guys go up to the most attractive girl I actually think it's kind of more like the average

Brian Atlasmaybe like above average girls that actually get the most attention because most guys see like the really really really hot girl and some guys actually might be like I got no chance so there actually the girls who are like sevens and sixes and

Brian Atlaslike bro those are the girls that are putting the numbers for sure well I guess just like what what's attractive to you like as a person yeah but I mean I think and actually I think women can

Brian Atlasmake up for it their looks in some ways and that and that's by being feminine submissive like if if a girl like can bring you peace I think most men would

Brian Atlassacrifice on the looks from front if she brings you peace she's feminine she's submissive so I think a lot of men would like they I think you ask most men would you rather have like a chick who's a

Brian Atlasnine who's a smoke show who's an absolute babe but she's [ __ ] [ __ ] and just you know I think that goes masculine and uncooperative and all this stuff and promiscuous that's the other

Brian Atlasthing uh if men will men will how do I word this if if

Brian Atlasyou're if you have a low body count or if let's if you're a virgin or you have a low body count men will will that can bump you up in terms of your

Madison Vuattractiveness attractiveness to a guy I think that goes both ways though with women like women want low body count a guy who I mean it it's better than having a high body count for sure um

Brian Atlaswell I think some women do have that position like some women obviously don't want a guy who's promiscuous however a lot of women and we I think this is a bit more of a tame panel but a lot of women will say I don't care about body

Brian Atlascount body count doesn't matter blah blah blah like it's not a thing to them and because men and women kind of value different things I think I do think it's 100% something that some women do care about however I think it comes down to

TTS Readerexperience and women value experience can't you shut down ke Rose I know this is not specifically her episode SL podcast but she gives a lot of points

Brian Atlaseven though I might not agree agree with the mo did I shut you down I haven't even spoken for the last 20 minutes so oh no whatever dude well I mean the reason the reason I told you to just

Brian Atlasbecause she was talking and I we can't have two microphones at a time way some people talk too much and I just get very passionate but you know I've been quiet no it's all good we spent some time talking about your situation so that's

Kelseyall good um go ahead yeah I remember what I was going to say so like as far as um like men so men talk about the friend

Kelseyzone a lot right yeah because you said that men men will date you know whoever they can for the most part men will date whoever so they talk about being stuck in the friend zone but we never talk about like the [ __ ] Zone that women get

Kelseystuck in you know how many times cuz again I've slept with 134 people I thought it was 136 I I put down notes I have my notes oh sorry ran sure okay so um so yeah we

Kelseybut again men have this like list or ladder of women that they sleep with but they would never date ever ever everever ever and they lead these women on into thinking that they will so that they can keep sleeping with them and keep them in

Kelseythis ladder you know what I'm saying so I think it happens equally but like perpetuating the notion that like men constantly get stuck in the friend zone and women have all the advantages and

Brian Atlasthat you know they can't uh that it's not equalized it it's just not true what's not what one thing really quick here I I will get to your point yo what's up Big Mo yo can we get some W's

Brian Atlasin the chat for Big Mo uh yo Big Mo he's uh he helps out with fnf um big Mo's a [ __ ] legend by the way Big Mo if you're ever in California please let me know we'll get you we'll get you on the

Brian Atlasshow dude um major love for you this guy this guy's awesome um big love for Big Mo and uh yeah W's in the chat for Big Mo Guys and um let me do a quick twitch shout out really quick and we will come

Brian Atlasback to your point Eric can you pull up the twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever link is in the description pull up another tab if you have to drop us a follow and if you have a prime sub drop us a prime sub uh it's a quick free easy

Brian Atlasway to support the show every month you link your Amazon Prime to Twitch takes two minutes to set up free easy way to support the show well oh my God the chat is on fire yo the maned man thank you

Brian Atlasfor the prime JC Ron thank you for the prime man thank you guys so much uh Neo magic thank you for the follow thank you guys so much okay um back to your point go ahead um sorry to cut you off there I just had

KelseyI saw Big Mo in the chat so yeah I think I was talking about like the [ __ ] Zone compared to the friend zone right yeah yeah so like um everybody like men and women have equal amount of struggle I

Kelseythink it's just a matter of pers perspective you're living as a man so you can't see what struggles we go through we we are constantly trying to get taken seriously in the workplace and

Kelseywe don't know if guys are like friends with us in the workplace or giving us advantages I mean in the workplace if it's because we're attractive and they're trying to have sex with us or if it's because we're actually doing a good

Brian Atlasjob and getting promoted okay so so just to address the friend zone [ __ ] Zone thing I mean I don't think those two are necessarily equal and here's why is

Brian Atlasbecause I would say like 80 90% of men even like some top tier dudes get friendzoned um most men have the

Brian Atlasexperience of being in the friend zone and they get that treatment from most women however women who get [ __ ] zoned

Brian Atlasget that treatment from a much smaller proportion of men most men most women can friendzone most men most women sorry

Brian Atlashold on most jeez I got this most women can friendzone most men but most men cannot [ __ ] Zone most women The Men Who [ __ ] Zone women are the top 10 top 20%

Kelseyof men I disagree with I don't know if I agree with that yeah it is Choice the end of day I age day at the end of the day everybody wants sex right it's a natural human emotion everybody has it it's just

Kelseyin a way and a matter of how much you have it and like you're having it with do you think that you have a right to sex like to se personally yeah do you have a right to have sex yeah what makes

Kelseyyou say that because it's my re reproductive right it's it's it was given to me to do to have children what's the purpose of sex to have

TTS Readerchildren and I would argue emotional $100 than you Concepts biology doesn't apply to me I'm special we can

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Isabelle Brownasteroid boom arguably sex has two purposes a create new human life which I think our society has forgotten about B emotionally bond with the person that you're having sex with that's what your brain is designed to do every time that

Isabelle Brownyou have sexual intercourse your brain releases oxytocin and it makes you feel emotionally bonded to that person which is why hookup culture is so damaging because it's not transactional it's not supposed to be transactional it's supposed to be

Isabelle Brownbonding to suggest that we have a right to have sex then is to suggest that it's our way or the highway all the time and our emotional

Isabelle Brownneeds are more important than anything else for another human being I think that line of thinking is What's led to an extremely pro-abortion culture I think that's what's led to an extremely

Isabelle Brownpro- hookup culture I think that's what's led to women being stuck in this Zone and men being stuck in a zone of not being able to have a meaningful connection with their sexual partner or

Isabelle Browntheir emotional partner right we're just constantly giving half of ourselves all the time I I would argue we don't have a right to have sex it's a privilege it's a gift that we've been given from God

Kelseybut it's not an inherent human right well yeah so so on the basis of that I'm all about like accountability for both sides right because I've heard the statement from like the right that

Kelseywomen don't have to take accountability anymore if they who says that uh what's her name oh God who is it that super conservative redheaded girl I can't remember her name Pearl Pearl that's her

TTS Readername yeah she constantly says that [ __ ] but it's it's not true oh sir Ash donated 100 it wasn't meant as disrespect I want to hear you talk more I want to hear all

Brian Atlasyou ladies and guys talk a lot it is a podcast yeah great everybody jump in yeah sorry yeah yeah yeah actually so maybe we can come back to that um you said you got your neck tattoo at a

Brian Atlaswoman's what at a woman's retreat was it like feminist thing hell no okay cuz you said you weren't a fan of feminism correct cuz I was like concerned there like what if you got brainwashed to

Brian Atlasgetting a neck tattoo with this like feminist [ __ ] and you're like [ __ ] no but you're you're you you like the tattoo yes it's it's kind of like a

Monicarights of Passage tattoo almost is it like Native American well yeah it's it stems from like indigenous um symbolism

Brian Atlasokay gotcha I wasn't I was just curious um I was trying to Loop you into the conversation a little bit there okay um let me get these two really quick uh we have average orgon earner thank you man

Brian Atlasas a fit five foot uh 5 foot 10 man who is an average earner all I want is a traditional woman who is morally Christian and the Virgin it's now unrealistic for me to find that so why

Brian Atlasdate other than to just get laid self-improvement is now my life # passport Bros so your standards are too high what does that tell exactly like

Brian Atlasyou could find a virgin Christian woman if you really tried yeah you you could but guess what she that what about church go to church church go to church borgin Christian woman right

Brian Atlasvirgin Christian woman right here oh hey or uh the DM's open for or average average organ earner oh he's 510 where aren't you from New York though where

Vitayou where did you come from South Carolina oh she's in SC okay well uh by the okay well 510 short average no it's fine um I think it's a completely normal standard

Vitalike I don't think his standards are too high well I think I oh sorry go I think it's hard very very hard for him to find what he's looking for but good point good differentiation we are the ones

TTS Readerthat this our society that we're in right now is the ones that created the idea that that's unrealistic that should be realistic oh my holy [ __ ]

TTS ReaderSmith donated $1,000 do that oh my good ,000 dude wait hold on let me well you have to do it now and you did it oh yeah

Brian Atlashold on let me let me pull up a video hold on more than that all right I'm going to do the Hawkeye continue with your point while I find the uh I need I need it playing while I do it forgot what I was saying yeah the okay honestly like the reason why we're even living in

Vitathe world that we live in today is because there's too much Brokenness and we continue to go to our vice for example your previous sex addiction s SAA or wait yeah no um like that was due

Vitato Brokenness that was deep within right like like you weren't happy and you decided to you know get into that addiction right right right right so it comes from an emotional place and the

Vitafact that we live like most of I think it's 50% of teenagers they live in a single parent household that is like a setup for disaster like that's automatically especially if it's a

Vitasingle mother and she's ra raising daughters that daughter is going to grow up looking for validation from other men like again and again and again and again right right and it all stands for

KelseyBrokenness and we're not looking in the right places to actually be healed of that Brokenness yeah I agree with that as far as his standards are concerned there's nothing wrong with being a virgin and

KelseyChristian right and there's nothing wrong wrong with wanting that I'm just saying it's improbable if you're not that sounds terrible but if we're living in this world like in this type of

Kelseyreality it's improbable if you're not making like enough money for that you know what I mean like if you're saying because women like that typically look

Kelseyfor a man that's making enough substantially so that she can be submissive so it just doesn't make any

Brian Atlassense um are you okay he's struggling with the bro I didn't I didn't think anybody would do it this guy drops $1,000 for me to do the you have now it's do I have to stand do I have to

Brian Atlasstand up you have to put man of your word jeez all right hold on let me button this up continue talk Wait So when you say you're a virgin though like

TTS Readerborn again or like 100% a virgin always like from from Venom super ched $99.99 W culture says it's

Isabelle Brownwrong jeez can't believe I'm mind I just [ __ ] I think a lot of the confusion associated with this also has to do with the idea that the only way to be

Isabelle Brownsubmissive to your husband is to have him make more money than you like we've repeated that throughout the conversation tonight that's not what I'm saying I'm saying that women aren't going to want to do that for a man

Isabelle Brownbecause the definition of submission right is giving your is being inferior to a superior right it's authoritative I don't know that it's about inferiority I think it's about being a servant to the

Isabelle Brownperson giving service love to the person that you've dedicated your life to I mean we're called to lay down our lives for each other it's not just about well the women being inferior to men I think

Kelseythat's what culture says it is well the the definition of submission is reporting to an authoritative figure right so that automatically makes the man no matter how much money he makes no

TTS Readermatter how much he works Smith donated $100 do it on the table extra100 I can't I can't do it on the table but I I will do it so this is

Brian Atlasgoing to be so [ __ ] cringe oh my God all right I did say I would do it so okay let me just see if this is gonna uh Eric can you pull up the chat so I just need to ask the chat a question if they're going to be able

Brian Atlasto hear this actually Eric can you can you open up another tab YouTube because I'm going to do it along with the the All Blacks

Brian Atlaswow uh we won't don't show it on the monitor but pull up uh search in YouTube K Ka actually wait here let me send you the video Eric I'm going to send it send

Brian Atlasthe video sorry hold one sec guys while continue talking about virginity or whatever oh my God you guys are wait Eric hold on bro these guys got us you guys got us to

Brian Atlas106,000 followers how's that even possible yo oh my God Yo on instagram on Instagram there's not there hasn't even been that

Brian Atlasmany well thank you guys appreciate it oh my god wow um well don't show here I'm going to message it to ourselves Eric so uh don't show that but um all

Brian Atlasright what wait Jesus Christ um that's not yeah it's not sending hold on I just up okay yeah pull up a YouTube tab search

Brian Atlascom Jesus this stream has been derailed many times okay um so not born again not born again I am a born again Christian but not a born again virgin okay but you

Brian Atlasso you're a virgin are you waiting until marriage 100% 100% anybody else here a virgin just

Brian Atlaskid AB uh Eric search Ka a spit commentate well I I need to give you the right one it's the uh [ __ ] I just had it too

Brian Atlasguys I I someone donated $1,000 so I'm doing the All Blacks Haka I'm doing the Comm poke Smith sorry I I I can't do it table now

Isabelle Browntable is much better they really want you to do this on the table I think you should table's not strong enough I just [ __ ] had it but now it's gone hold on it's doing that on purpose

Brian Atlasdo hold on it's uh the wait it's the wait no uh a space between

Brian AtlasK Eric you you can show it on here show it on the stream that's fine I can't do the table I'm sorry guys I got back problems

Brian Atlasuh yeah search that it should be scroll down uh the All Blacks I think that one all right or wait maybe or maybe it's this one hold on

Brian Atlashere no do okay do the go up go up yeah do do the second one down oh God I can't believe I'm [ __ ] doing this godamn

Brian Atlasit okay oh great what hold on wait you have to do it too Eric

Madison Vuhello why I got to never say that again oh scuffed wait what put in Center Go full out mhm well he said full scent 300

Brian Atlassomething all right here we go scuffed scuff LED sorry guys computer issues welcome to the whatever podcast

Brian Atlasprofessionalism here we all right so they can't just keep it I guess keep it no that's not going to work am I going to do this this hold on and they're not going to even hear

Brian Atlasme I need you to uh move the tab over thereit am I gonna move the tab there you go here but I need space

Brian Atlasbro it's like I need space you want us to move all right yeah I need this whole area the whole

Brian Atlascould do what could you do is so I do this no we good and just make this bigger no don't don't don't don't contrl Z don't [ __ ] with

Brian Atlasthat oh make it bigger I just make it bigger just a little bit bigger and put it back to the original uh I don't know if we we can

Brian Atlashave the background I don't know am I doing this ah [ __ ] how I don't know how we're going to bigger make this just a little bit

Brian Atlasbigger all right why but I need to see it here just we'll keep it keep it we'll keep it like this actually wait do we do it now we'll do like this I should have worn my these are my

Brian Atlasbaggy [ __ ] sweatpants too I should have worn the better ones okay uh but pull over the the window so I can see it sorry guys [ __ ] scuff

Brian Atlaslike so it's on this monitor so just pull it up here and we'll keep it Center but make it big I need just the whole screen or half the screen yeah that that works all

Brian Atlasright this is so bro he's gonna Pro he's he's probably gonna do charge back too after this

Ericokay all right I'm ready this so cringe bro I got KN you did it to yourself hey lower lower the volume wait lower hacker Richie MC in a World Cup match holding

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Isabelle Brownbegins new zealanders in the chat you should critique this whole thing my go

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Key[ __ ] that was so good cancel me a

Isabelle Brownoh my God I'm sorry that was so bad it was so bad they like it is that people like it killing it is that cultural appropriation by the way yeah Frankie in the chat says that's cultural

Brian Atlasappropriation great his performance it was so it was like it was bad everyone's praising you I should have just done it without even the video cuz I know that

Brian Atlas[ __ ] memorized I think the video might messed you up a little that help was it okay guys was it is is that is that cultural

Madison Vuappropriation somebody said wouldn't make someone said he got a Polynesian pass am I cancelled Brian can never judge key again oh my

Brian AtlasGod bro what I should have done it without the video cuz I know that [ __ ] memorized I'm

Brian Atlaslike I'm a rugby fan dude look Rugby World Cup 2011 New Zealand but uh okay I'll do it again if you without the

Brian Atlaswithout the video If you donate another okay just saying I'll do it again but better this time okay what the [ __ ] we were talking about virginity or some [ __ ] sock check oh yeah like what a

Kelseyman is entitled to in a relationship right so if he if we're making equal to or I'm making more money than him or not no I won't even say equal to if I'm

Kelseycontributing more money than him which I've done with all my ex-boyfriends right which I'll I'll give the example like doesn't happen very often but there's nothing other than by virtue of him being aard to be super chated

TTS Reader$999.99 I definitely agree brain I've definitely settled looks wise and Status wise in my past relationships even considering the growth I've gone through also love the Pod that was the greatest

Brian Atlasthing ever Brian you talking about the haaka talking about the haka for for what what did oh yeah yeah yeah go ahead hey dakata thank you so much

Brian Atlasman I honestly I could have done a much better job you know but I was like I was like uh you know I was a little nervous you know cuz it's like I got like all these like chicks here and like Kiki and like the dude over there it's like you

Brian Atlasknow it's like kind of nerve-wracking to like culturally appropriate in front of like 7,000 people you know it's great now I'm like culturally appropriating

KelseyCanada okay um anyways anyway um just so that makes it to where by virtue of him just being

Kelseyborn a man and being in a heterosexual relationship with me he is entitled to my submission right so if he's not

Kelseyfulfilling his traditional role as a man and providing why am I going to film my traditional you're way too far from the microphone oh sorry why am I going to fill my traditional role as a woman and

Kelseysubmit you know what I mean it's not a fair I believe in like respect absolutely like I believe you should respect your partner all the time healthy communication all that good stuff but as far as submission that

Kelseyundermines my authority with our children that means that like that he has the final say so I can't you know I might not be able to go out you know I

Vitajust don't like it so I would choose a man that I would want to submit to yeah so like that's what I'm doing like I'm not I'm going to choose a man that I would be happy to submit to after you

Brian Atlassaw my hawka performance like would submission right away are you like were did did that get you a little excited if we're all tens here then that was a 10

TTS Readerbut that's not true well I guess I'm s Ash donated $100 how much to have you work where I

Brian Atlascorrect myself to work passionately to to have me to twerk I don't even think I can do I don't know how to twerk I can't I don't dance so I don't know how to do that [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbut I'll do I'll do a a feet check for like a thousand probably if you want foot check feet picks hello oh yo that's you know what's [ __ ] crazy dude there

TTS Readeris literally a Frankie K super ched $100 sorry Frankie this is just to cut off pinky oh it didn't work yeah you missed you missed it you'll have to try again

Brian Atlasthere's actually literally a a website called like it's like feet finder or some [ __ ] and they bro they got a [ __ ] account on me someone's pretending to be you no no

Brian Atlasno no like talking about wik feet I think it's wik feet dude yo I love wik feet there she has like five stars you do I'm so bro this shit's crazy like

Brian Atlasdude's been like finding photos of me where my feet are visible and it's [ __ ] weird yeah bro I swear to God Brian Atlas wik feet that's just's weird dude I've seen you on there what the

Mick[ __ ] that means you have Good Feet though do you have a high arch I don't know or t people have way too much time on I learned about it from the H3 podcast and he's like obsessed with it

Mickand stuff that he because he was like trying to get his score higher on there he wanted a perfect five stars and everything and that's how I searched like other podcast you you searched my feet and I search you saw my feet I saw your feet on there no the craziest thing

Brian AtlasI I I wanted to search myself so I I typed in my name and I I looked in the image search and I like saw feet photos I like what the [ __ ] and there's literally and

Brian Atlasbut this is it's not new like cuz some of these videos that they got the screenshots from I I took I unlisted them like years ago yeah people take

Brian Atlasimages from like several years back and stuff and we'll find it yeah bro it's crazy they are super it was literally like screenshots from AOG Vlog from like 2015 I did and I took all my Vlogs down the internet is

Brian Atlasforever yo my feet are out there that's just weird by the way the hakka I think we lost like 500 viewers so that was a big L I think that was a big L I don't know if it was we're down to like 5,000

Brian AtlasI think we're oh Jesus Christ I'm sorry guys I think yeah we we lost like a ton of viewers was it worth it I don't know I mean you made a th000 bucks so yeah that's true oh wait we have what's our

Brian Atlasviewership right now 5.5k I think we lost 500 um bricks and Loki selling Fe pic um I don't know what the name is under um by the way thank you for all the new memberships guys Eric have you been like uh highlighting them really

Brian Atlasquick not highlighting them but showing the memberships already shows it oh okay gotcha okay cool um I don't know where we were there was just a string of super chats and him doing the Haka something

Kelseyabout like relationships and like what were oh that's what I was going to say cuz Kiki said something like um I would find a man that I want to submit to right oh my gosh I'm so sorry I'm so

Kelseysorry I didn't mean that no it's fine sorry V okay she yeah but you said I would no you said I would find a man that I would want to submit to and that's

Kelseythat's great like I I'm glad that you like feel happy to do that but at the same time I think that's where it comes down to like a difference in preference you know what I mean I don't think there's any man that I could ever find

Kelseythat I would be okay with him having the final say in every single decision we make like there has to be some I'm probably one of the most most excuse me agreeable Partners you'll ever have like I really am I'm super easygoing I don't

Kelseyargue like I don't care I'm low maintenance as [ __ ] but I don't like the idea of like wait you're low maintenance yeah low low maintenance well um I should say

Kelseyeasygoing what low cuz low maintenance means that you can just get me in the sack right and that's not true no that's I don't Okay but well I mean look I don't know you but I mean I don't know if I would

Brian Atlascons and I'm not saying this to slight you but you said you said that you're a recovering sex addict and recovering drug

Kelseyaddict I don't know if that qualifies as low maintenance yeah I'm talking in regards to like how she treats herself like she isn't like emotionally how I would you know like I'm not going to

Kelsey[ __ ] at you every two seconds you know what I mean like I don't care what you do if you want to go out to the bar that's fine I don't if if if it I will tell you this if it wasn't for my body count I don't go out to bars I don't

Kelseytalk to other dudes obviously because I'm in recovery everything I am is like technically a submissive traditional woman I you're not you're not a traditional woman well except okay not

Kelseytraditional but well okay yes you did preemptively say besides my body count that's what I'm saying so you know but but because this that's why I'm saying men's standards are like a little bit

Kelseytoo high men's standards are too high who are caring about like stuff like body count you know what I mean wait so you think it's wrong for men to care about body count if it it depends on the I will say this it depends in the way

Kelseyyou carry yourself right like it depends on the context of the situation like if I used to run around my old restaurant and throw it out there you know I got only fans [ __ ] these men I don't give a

Kelseysh for the streets yeah exactly I was for the streets like no man wanted anything to do with me in that circumstance absolutely like you know I would totally understand why a guy would discriminate against me if it were for

Kelseymy body count but if it was like I was recovering or you know whatever the case may be some women I know try to find me a recovered drug addict that hasn't done sex work because

Kelseyit in today's day and age especially when the drugs are so strong it is like we are selling our lives for our drugs there there's no there's no Purity and f

Kelsey[ __ ] drug addiction right there's nothing left of you so there's certain circumstances where it's like is it it's our fault yes but you have to take other

Kelseyconsiderations and Factor right would you prefer a broke guy oh sorry oh go ahead would you prefer a broke guy like completely broke not completely broke I mean I want him to have some type of job

Kelseybut my ex was like a lead at at a restaurant up in Eugene I literally don't care most men don't want to marry the Town Bicycle right that's I mean you know but but men care about but I think I just

Keysaid that right that's why you meet somebody who is okay with what you do like you know us so not everyone is for everyone guys can want a virgin $100 Mel M and Brian will make a feat

Brian Atlasfinder yo Metro thank you for the uh thank you for the hundred well I mean I do already have an onlyfans onlyfans.com whatever um right now we just have like seven pictures of Kiki on there um it's very tasteful very tasteful um obviously

Brian Atlaslike you know hit us up on only fans I don't know I'll maybe I'll do something more with it but right now it's just for the it's a [ __ ] meme it's a joke it's not it's not serious um I I'm just I'm trying to

Brian Atlasarrive like what what exactly are you trying to argue you're saying men have expect too much when it comes to a woman's body count I'm just trying to understand I'm saying men expect too

Brian Atlasmuch average men expect too much out of average women and vice versa right Aver no cuz I I I disagree with why well I mean there's this concept

Brian Atlascalled HL where basically men have to work five times as hard men I think it goes something along the lines

Brian Atlasof and this islation men have to work five times as hard as their grandfathers for women who are 20 times as worse as their grandmothers but again 20 times worse I

Kelseydon't think most women are like me in this world right I think most women like I can objectively say say I am like not part of a common statistic right there's not many women sex addicts there's not

Kelseymany women drug addicts like most women are have relatively low body count I will say it's in inflated by feminism I will say that like no most I'd say most

Brian Atlaswomen are pretty promiscuous in today's day and age well I let's remove most women from this let me just say women are more promiscuous than men I don't I don't think you can deny

Kelseythat um sorry there there are more promiscuous women than there are promiscuous men that's the best way I can phrase it I don't I I don't know I really don't know because there part of me says yes but then the other part of

Brian Atlasme is like women are also naturally selective right so there and they're all selecting the same the top tier of men right but then those men have an abundance of

TTS Readeroptions hold on let's let this comp super ched $999.99 are they telling you to Peppa Pig how about giving some other guests a

TTS Readerchance to speak much respect for you Brian but you really need to toughen up and host more professionally I'm new to your channel and have seen this trend of poor management of speaking

Brian Atlastime uh yeah definitely um you know obviously trying to improve um yeah I'm kind of I mean I'm kind of like a space cadet to begin with I'm like all over the place to begin with and then add in the TTS add in the super chats add in

Brian Atlaslike the craziness of having a bunch of people sitting in the panel talking about this yeah um I'm I'm looking potentially for to bring on a co-host where maybe like you know can take a

Brian Atlaslittle of the burden off of me um I I've been looking I'm looking but uh that's maybe in the works I'm I'm entertaining a couple options there but

Brian Atlasuh yeah you're not wrong you're not wrong um but uh wait okay so [ __ ] what were you saying I'm sorry I know I

Vitaforgot too it was were saying you were saying that most girls go for the 1% oh the top okay so pretty

Brian Atlasmuch any girl can be promiscuous however not any guy can be promiscuous I agree with that like but are they you know what I mean right so

Brian Atlaseven though a girl could be promiscuous it doesn't mean that she is but however that what you have happening is like an average woman or below average woman

Brian Atlascould be really promiscuous whereas like a below average man like he's not he's not he's not getting laid he's not getting DMS he's not getting matches on

KelseyTinder he's not getting anything so right but then there but then is that below average women like going to be relationship material to certain men

Kelseylike it's it's all about a debate like of whether or not again I think men look for relationship or women want relationships men want sex right so if we're going with this line of thinking

Kelseythere's an equal trade-off between men and women I wouldn't I would say there's exceptions to the rule I think that definitely men struggle more as far as mental health is concerned but as far as

Kelseysexual inter seexual Dynamics what do you think I think that generally men and women have the same amount of struggle it's not the same struggle but it's the

Brian Atlassame amount of strg a it is you know no no no no it's women have dating on easy mode compared to men yes [ __ ] dating but that that's

Brian Atlasthat's a component of modern relationships not if the guy's not looking for it if if he's just looking for sex Eric can you pull up that comic photo just to give it a little context

Brian Atlashere you know which one it is um so I mean I'll address that but uh see here's the thing I don't think men only want sex here yeah if I can draw your attention to this so I mean this is how

Brian AtlasI think it looks for most women like you have a bunch of sutors oh I've seen this before men aren't like friend zoning chicks like most most girls have like

Brian Atlasprobably have or could have not a good amount of women have or could have a line of men that are would be ready to be in a relationship with

Brian Atlasthem most men don't have any options sexual or relationship I guarantee you I don't know if any of you have a guy if you're those of you who are single if any of you have a guy who's currently in

Brian Atlasyour friend zone he would be perfectly ready to be Loy a excuse me a loyal dutiful boyfriend he'd be ready to be in a relationship with you you just don't happen to find him attractive and that's fine I'm not saying you should be in a

Brian Atlasrelationship with someone you're not attracted to however men don't have like girls that are just [ __ ] dying to be in relationships with them and they're just some men some men yes but most most

Brian Atlasmen no average women have guys in the friend zone average men are like maybe getting two matches a month on Tinder but I also think it's it's the demographic and where you're at right

Kelseylike I'm sure a lot of these women can agree and I live on U ofo campus like I live in the Pinnacle of frat culture okay like I live where men are not looking for relationships at all so it's

Kelseylike or oh sorry or you could even say like below average men are looking for relationships because of like frat culture and it's like screw these women I don't care d d d it's like a cultural thing depending on where you live right and depending on the age demographic

Brian Atlasyeah I mean definitely universities there's especially here we're right next to UCSB number one school in the US there's a hookup culture um a lot of guys and women aren't looking for

Brian Atlascommitment and I think part of that comes to comes to or excuse me is related to the fact that it's kind of an age thing it's a cultural thing um and

Brian Atlasthere are some people that go here that are desire of relationships and they struggle to find it but you can't say that the average man and the average

Kelseywoman's experience is comparable not experience but as far as struggle yeah it's not it's not comparable but it's like equal okay so

Brian Atlasso you think that it's equal amount you think that men and let's let's say the we're taking an example of an average average man average woman do you

Brian Atlasthink that can you guys stop flirting over there um you think that it's an equal struggle perhaps it's the ways in which they struggle when it

Brian Atlascomes to dating however it's an equal amount amount of struggle M okay I mean I I disagree with you immediately but here let me let you come in go ahead I

Madison Vuwas going to say I feel like it's not like that shouldn't be like I feel like you're kind of projecting it as like a fact but it it is a fact hold on hold on let's get this and I'll have you come where is your World War I uniform didn't

Brian Atlashe donate $1,000 oh I mean did he um what's his name kit kit kti pokes Smith do you want me to put on because you didn't you meant you won in the Haka do you want me

Brian Atlasto put on the World War I uniform let me know separate question yeah yeah I think it's like you got request one or the other you know but but uh let me know if you want it um you you you wouldn't have to do another [ __ ] massive super chat

Brian Atlasbut um and by the way thank you for your huge I I think it's 1300 so far donations tonight that's wild thank you man so much you're are you you like the

TTS Readerowner of the All Blacks or something um uh okay sorry to interrupt you go ahead promethus

TTS Reader$99.99 I'm was co-hosting with you Brian he'll be honesty blunt about hookup culture and double standards I can't explicitly say it because his language is too

Isabelle Brownunique where is the Lamb sauce you can all be Gordon R okay I think genuinely you guys are all trying to say the same thing just listening to the back and forth across this table that

Isabelle Brownboth sides of this conversation are struggling right both sides are admitting whatever we're doing in culture is not working and I think a lot of that has come from to bring things full circle at the risk of sounding too

Isabelle Brownmuch like Jens saki to Circle back feminism in this idea that women are being specifically programmed by Society to reject the idea of seeking out a life

Isabelle Brownpartner that would be a good long-term commitment for them instead she should be putting her career first she should be putting climbing the corporate ladder first she should be putting herself first draw yourself a bubble bath and drink a glass of Rosé girl because self-

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