Brian Gets SHAMED For His Preferences?! | Dating Talk #91

Date: 2023-08-09

Duration: 3h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CClaudia (DT91)>

BBrandon Mills (DT91)>

MMadison (DT91)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Helen Zod(guest)

SPEAKER_07Claudia(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brandon(guest)

SPEAKER_10Aubry(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Psy(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMadison satirically 'apologizes' for culturally appropriating German culture by wearing a WWI pickelhaube hat

“from the bottom of my heart I would like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody”

QuoteHelen Zod introduces herself — 42, multiple healthcare businesses and new podcast/radio app

“my name is Helen Zod I'm 42 years old and my occupation is I'm a business owner I own several Health healthcare companies from home health hospice Pharmacy compounding commercial buildings”

QuoteClaudia introduces herself — 34, neuropsychologist and TV personality

“my name is Claudia and I'm 34 and I am a neuropsychologist and I'm also a TV personality”

ControversyBrian defends preference for younger women (18-25) as evolutionary/biological, pushes back on 'shaming language' for male preferences after panel challenges him

“it is interesting like women men always get shamed for their preferences standards and boundaries men are not allowed to have preferences”

QuoteNikki reveals she is now waiting until marriage for sex, a standard adopted at age 27

“whether you're religious or not sex is a very powerful energy exchange ... that's as close as you're ever going to physically be with someone”

QuoteBrian summarizes relationship/marriage expectation mismatch

“men marry women with the hope they will never change Women Marry men with the hope they will change invariably they are both disappointed”

QuoteAubry confesses she cheated on her high school boyfriend before college and takes full responsibility

“I felt an extreme amount of Shame for about a week or so and after that I actually told him I told my boyfriend that I cheated on him right before we were about to move out to Hawaii together”

QuoteClaudia reads her Hinge prompt 'dating me is like dating diamonds' and explains the Twilight reference and what she brings to a relationship

“dating me is like dating diamonds it's beautiful ... I think I am a whole package”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas introduces co-host Kiki and 8 panelists: Helen Zod (42, healthcare entrepreneur), Claudia (34, neuropsychologist/TV personality), Amy (33, HR leader/Army veteran), Psy (~39, fashion designer/filmmaker), Heidi (23, unemployed), Aubry (25, Turning Point USA publicist), Nikki (28, aerospace PM), Brandon Mills (25, VFX artist). Relationship statuses covered.

Ariana Grande Infidelity News

Panel discusses Ariana Grande's affair with Ethan Slater (SpongeBob Broadway actor) while both were married. Debate over relative blame between Ariana and Slater. Claudia offers psychological analysis framing Ariana as potentially narcissistic based on behavioral pattern.

Mia Khalifa Marriage/Divorce TikTok Reaction

Panel reacts to viral Mia Khalifa TikTok about her multiple marriages and divorces. Claudia analyzes sex-worker psychology and adrenaline-seeking behavior patterns. Debate over whether it's acceptable to leave a marriage when unhappy.

Divorce Rate and Marriage Skepticism

Extended discussion on 50%+ divorce rates, marriage incentives in military, religious motivations for marriage, pros/cons of marriage for men vs women. Brian expresses skepticism about marriage for men due to legal/financial risks. Helen shares her 14-year marriage and $70k/yr child support experience.

Wedding Ring Cost and Wedding Spending

Panel goes around the table on how much a partner should spend on an engagement ring. Most women say the amount doesn't matter; they value relationship quality over ring cost. Discussion of fiscal irresponsibility of large weddings.

First Date Paying — Who Should Pay?

Debate on who should pay on a first date. TTS donation suggests Separate Checks as a filter for interest. Brian broadly agrees. Panel mixed; most women still expect men to pay.

Brian's Preference for Younger Women (Title Topic)

Nikki and Claudia challenge Brian on why he would date women aged 18-25. Brian defends age preference on evolutionary/biological (fertility) and lower body-count grounds. Panel pushes back on emotional compatibility concerns. TTS comment reads: 'men always get shamed for their preferences'.

Plastic Surgery

Helen discloses her procedures (fat transfer face/foot, brow work, liposuction). Brian states he dislikes breast implants, BBL, lipo, lip fillers, labia plasty. Discussion of double standard: women shamed for aging but also for attempting to fix it via surgery.

Women in the Workforce / STEM

Brief discussion on women entering STEM and corporate careers. Nikki and others discuss feeling sold on corporate ladder climbing that hasn't led to fulfillment. Brian expresses support for women in STEM for solving humanity's problems.

Instagram / Social Media in Relationships

Discussion on whether a boyfriend can ask his girlfriend to delete revealing Instagram photos. Nikki says she would comply willingly. Brian expresses preference for partners with minimal social media presence. Panel debates double standard for men vs women posting revealing photos.

Requirements in a Partner — Final Round

Panel goes around table on what they want in a partner. Helen: minimum 6 feet tall, intelligent, kind, emotionally intelligent, complete package. Amy: no checklist currently, open-minded. Heidi: compatibility and someone who is better than her. Aubry: in relationship. Nikki: now requires celibacy until marriage. Brian: lists physical preferences (shorter height, large labia, soft-spoken/shy).

Body Count Discussion

Panel goes around table on body count. Helen: 10+ but not answered directly. Claudia: 3 (only serious boyfriends). Psy: deflected. Heidi: 7 (stated briefly). Aubry: over 5, under 15. Nikki: not answered. Brandon: not answered.

Self-Ratings Round

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Psy refuses to participate (doesn't see the value). Aubry: 7-8 (stated 'solid 7.8, seven'). Nikki: 6 (or 6.9 on a good day). Most others declined. Brian says there are no 10s at the table.

Aubry's High School Cheating Story

Aubry recounts cheating on her high school boyfriend (together since middle school) right before college at 18 with a virgin male friend. She confessed; boyfriend ended the relationship and exposed her on Twitter. She takes full responsibility.

Claudia's Hinge Dating Profile Review

Brian reviews Claudia's Hinge profile prompts on stream. Prompt: 'Dating me is like dating diamonds' (Twilight Edward reference). Claudia explains she offers peace, emotional regulation, loyalty, and good conversation.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasafter they were 18 years old I stopped oh after the kids the kids were well that's child support child support no no no I only pay child support you didn't pay alimony okay even though you were married for

Brian Atlaswere you married in California yes he did he attempt to go for alimony uh uh I can't remember what's the time limit to be married for alimony well the the she was married a long time before I

Brian Atlaswas married very long time and I'd never worked in that 14 years I worked after my divorce okay interesting yeah I'm sure it's complicated by that but so but you were

Helen Zodpaying him child support yes how much were you paying in child support 70 000 a year okay wow why didn't he go for alimony I mean okay maybe maybe because I did

Brian Atlaseverything in order not to pay him ah okay there you go there you go okay there we go well I will say this while there while it is certainly the case that some women will pay men child support or alimony my understanding is

Brian Atlasthat ninety percent of child support payments go from men to women and 97 of alimony payments go from men to women so um I suppose if you're a woman and you're making a [ __ ] ton of money

Brian Atlasto be fair in the court system there is a bias against men however like you will if you're the breadwinner as a woman you might be you're still gonna if your husband wants to he can go after you for alimony and child support

Brian Atlasif they were children but in any case if you're a man and you're the brand winner which is still the majority of relationships uh I don't recommend it for men so I don't think men should get married

Brian Atlashmm Brian what's your vetting process for dating people what do you mean what's your what's your life how do you determine engage What's your deal well actually I kind of want to shoot my shot

Brian Atlasso um Ariana Grande Ariana Grande so so actually um PSY right yes I have mild hypothyroidism so if you really want to

Brian Atlas[ __ ] up our kids maybe I'm just saying it's a perfect combo okay um good times but uh what was the question uh I was just

Brian Atlasasking your dating status you didn't share yours oh as a man of God I did not reveal okay all right well that's that's the time for the rest of what I'm gonna say on this show but uh no when it comes to marriage what

Nikkiwas your question over here my question was how do you vet people to date and pursue a relationship because wouldn't you be able to catch like oh she's just after me for my money she doesn't actually take an interest in me but okay

Brian Atlashere's the thing more than 50 of marriages end in divorce so do you think that of all the people that get married do you think going into marriage they're thinking yeah I'm probably going to get divorced with him look at Mia Khalifa

Brian Atlasshe thought that yeah but like how many people who get married they're on their wedding day they probably think yeah this is it this is the one this is for life and then one year two year three

Brian Atlasyears go by things change who knows what this finances can change that's a big reason for divorce is financial financials um most people when they get married probably aren't anticipating that

Brian Atlasthey're going to get divorced so how many people are in that position of thinking I've properly vetted this person they're I'm in love they're amazing

Helen Zodand then they're divorced yeah even religious people yes I was I was religious and like I had no desire to be divorced because I just want to be a good kid for my mom and dad society and

Helen Zodfamily and everyone and then I realized I'm completely sacrificing myself and completely creating another identity for someone else so then I decided to walk out yeah well

Brian AtlasI think one thing um and I I've written this down so maybe some of you might agree with this men marry women with the hope they will never change Women Marry men with the hope they will change

Brian Atlasinvariably they are both disappointed um so you know in the military 80 percent of people get divorced but what I do want to say but when it comes to the military there's some there's certain Financial benefits well that's

Amywhat I was going to say so like when you're talking about your data that you just presented like 50 of marriages and a divorce there's a few things I just want you to consider that skew the data so uh there's Financial incentives in

Amythe military so or even like a living arrangements so if you live on base and you're married you have the option to live off base which is preferable for a number of reasons so people do that but then you also get paid more money if you're married because you have a dependent now on your record so the Army

Amygives you or all the military services give you more money so people quickly get divorced but it's an incentivized thing to do that then the other thing is religious so like Mormons is an example they can't date they can't have sex without getting married so they get

Amymarried so they are in the eyes of God okay to have sex and that's true of a lot of religions and so in order to break up with that person and get a new partner they have to get a divorce so there's a lot of things skewing true

Brian Atlasactual marriage uh that you should just you mentioned the religious thing though I I would say though that if you were to

Brian Atlascompare that cohort of people who are very religious and they didn't have sex prior to getting married and their stats are way lowering like I would I'm pretty

Brian Atlassure the divorce rate amongst people who are have a either very low uh prior uh sexual partners prior to marriage or who are virgins is very very low compared to

Brian Atlasthe general population it is um it is so it's plausible that there's there's religious people out there who are getting married because they so desperately want to have sex and then

Amythey're just going to get divorced to have a new part but I mean that has to be a very small proportion of that's not the of people who are religious who are getting divorced I mean I knew a lot like my mother my family was Mormon when

AmyI was growing up and it was like every every couple I could think of when I was growing up that was Mormon was doing that yeah well they were getting divorced yeah to switch Partners yeah because like because like as early as 17 16 17 they were getting married so they

Amycould have sex as a you know with their partner or their families were like forcing like you know pushing them to get married so that it there any kind of contact relationship-wise is approved you know by the religion standards but you know as we do when we date we shop

Amyaround Partners like to see who we truly jive with and so it's kind of an unfortunate scenario where they're kind of backed into this quarter of having to get a divorce just to switch relationships well I mean the other thing though is that you mentioned that

Brian Atlaswhile there are women women now who are paying child support in alimony but even I actually saw a statistic that said women who are pie earners who earn more than their partner they're more likely

Helen Zodto divorce their partner so my position changes so I had money after my divorces so but that makes it hard for me to date man right now

Brian Atlasbecause you're successful and yes it makes it very very like complicated yeah but like for me for example as someone who's successful and high earner and like the

Brian Atlasprospect of marrying a woman and then losing half my [ __ ] is not particularly appealing and I mean there's there's a whole there's custody disputes I mean my encouragement

Brian Atlasto both men and women is go to your local courthouse wherever you live go find the family when there there's a uh family proceedings or divorce

Brian Atlasproceedings and just sit and watch the case that [ __ ] is so depressing like it is the and especially custody disputes

Brian Atlasare brutal it is it's one yeah even the ones even the ones where there's no children involved it's still so contentious but when there's kids

Brian Atlasinvolved then you're risking getting when kids get involved then there's a there's a likelihood well not a likelihood there's a there's definitely a lot of reports of

Brian Atlasfalse accusations being levied against men of all sorts of things in order in an effort to Leverage uh those false accusations to get a better outcome when it comes to getting custody of children so

Brian Atlasum and there's a bias in the court system against men so I don't think men should get married for those reasons now if we were to do away with alimony and child well I don't think we should do

Brian Atlasaway with child support but I do think there should be a just a limit on child support there's there's no reason you should anyone even if you're very wealthy you should be paying ten thousand dollars a month in child support that I can get behind that I

Amyagree with because like I like this whole case with uh Kevin Costner his wife getting like oh it's 150 000 a month like what do you need that for like uh you know like go buy a house you can get one in a gated community

Brian Atlasanywhere in the country and not need 150 000 a month like that's like crazy I agree yeah and here's the other thing that I think they should do um in the same way with uh like food stamp programs like they give you a

Brian Atlascredit card if Cal fresh it's different in different states um food benefits from the government they give you a card you can only purchase food with with that card that they give you I think it should be the

TTS/Chatsame with if with child support you should only be able to purchase child related um women who want a huge and expensive

TTS/Chatwedding 40km for reference they are usually so selfish and entitled that they just disregard their partner's decisions if the women does not get what she wants

Amyoh yeah definitely if you're going to get married like 50 bucks wow yeah I will say that the whole wedding industry is like kind of feeding off it they're driving that up they're like a wedding dress just to get a basic

Amywedding like as soon as people vendors hear the word wedding their price is double triple quadruple and it's like you just have to almost lie about like what the event it's a bar mitzvah and then it's like cheaper you know what I mean like it's apartment don't worry about it yeah you know I mean it's

Nikkicatered to women you know so it's like it's a woman's day I'd have to say yeah weddings I I can't see it's fiscally irresponsible in my mind yeah so say forty thousand dollars that's a down payment on a house yeah I do love people

Brian Atlasbut I'd rather go to Bali for like two months or something let's go let's go real quick how much would you we'll go around the table on this for those of you who if you want to play along but for those of you who want to get married

Helen Zodum how much do you think your partner should spend on the wedding ring when proposing I I truly don't care about how much

Helen Zoduh because I lived a life with lots of up and down so like you know what I'm wearing is not gonna value is this like uh-huh no like I truly this is like from

Helen ZodAmazon it's like 20 bucks like would that do it you think no the thing is I really don't care because like I value my relationship so much because I live the very up and down you know lifestyle

Helen Zodso my deep connection my like who I'm with and if it's loyal if it's feeding my soul if it's like creating uh meaning to my life is my priority I don't care

Claudiaabout the ring okay what about you how much should potential Partners spend on the ring I'm the same I said I am the same exact way I um I've

Claudiaalready lived uh I've had boyfriends with high net worth and very low net like literally like college so I've seen both sides so I'm not I

Brian Atlasreally don't care now like I'm not pleased so okay you're your boyfriend proposes to you with a 20 I twenty dollar ring from

AmyAmazon you you're fine with it I am yeah okay all right can I have something hold on well before you do that let's let everybody answer go ahead so I uh love the plastic like I forgot they're called

Amybut they're like they're really uh friendly for like weight lifters and people are in the military arms yeah they're like a plastic band like I would be happy with that honestly like I'm more more invested in my relationship being quality than the ring being

Psyquality I uh not on the price but more on their creativity like why would if somebody could make something then yeah that's good if it's like a tattoo Maybe by

Heidisomeone who's like legendary from a certain tribe why not oh sorry um I feel like if it's a 20 Amazon reading I feel like that directly speaks about how like he feels about you I feel

Brian Atlaslike if he really loved you he would try a little harder there okay so bare minimum how much should you spend on the ring a couple thousand I would say a couple thousand on the ring yeah what five thousand three thousand three thousand five thousand

Brian Atlasyou wouldn't object what about like twenty thousand I mean I wouldn't object but that's kind of a lot but like keep in mind you're about to become you're you're about to marry this person um

Brian Atlasyour finances are going to be enmeshed together so that is 20 000 that is coming out of what could potentially be spent on something a bit more

Aubryliterally anything else with a bit more utility but in any case that's fine what about you um I would say I I do agree with what you've said I would like to see some

Nikkieffort you know a couple Grand yeah okay nothing crazy I'm gonna come out and say it 100K I'm totally okay

Nikkithe effort stop it is get some help go ahead just a joke just a joke must get roasted like a marshmallow in the comments

Nikkium uh I would say it's a reflection of how much he is investing in me probably the talk about like future plans like are we buying a house what do we want to

Nikkispend I think talking about it would be great but the ring itself doesn't matter that much like the dollar value I it's also really tacky to talk about prices like people be like oh this is 100k ring okay that's really weird that you said that

Brandonokay yeah that's like wasting 100K on something that you could buy a house or go on a honeymoon I don't think spending like 50 Grand on a ring is smart I think is really dumb

Nikkibut also don't spend like five dollars on a ring so five to ten I would say It was supposed to be like three months salary or something

Helen Zodthat was a marketing campaign that was the beers marketing plan fifty thousand dollars marketing campaign 20 bucks what agreement you guys have together

Nikkiand I want my first financial status yeah I want my girl to know that I care yeah but I'm also like not that much yeah all right like you know we're gonna buy a house and stuff so well it wasn't like the diamond industry like just marketed so people will spend the beers

Nikkilike is it really how about like a symbol of love yeah I think we got tricked in that too yeah you buy this really expensive rock because it means you love her and if you don't you don't love her I have this really close couple friends who have been together for like

Amy25 years and she has the same ring from when they were both broke and they're billionaires now and she still had the same old ring no I think she is so cute that she is like

Claudiayeah yeah yeah it's the same ring from when they were broke yeah I love it yeah so I think um one thing that I want to say is that like I feel like no matter sometimes

Claudialike when they show how much they invest in you just from like experience I did have someone who was I'm not going to say how much but um he would invest a lot into me but I

Claudiathink that was one of my unhappiest relationships I was ever in so like now I just feel like sometimes what how much money he invests in you does it equal

Claudiaum how much they um respect or how much they love you um take this with a grain of salt but that's to me just like an experience like just from an experience I think

Claudiait's more of like the sentimental values that they put how much they listen to your um how much they know about you and how much they put like if they know that you like a certain like pillow like the

Brian Atlaspillow or the cushion I'm sorry I gotta move this on okay but yeah banana deep hey thank you man sorry not sorry I hate adult content especially nowadays with children having easy access to it all my

Brian AtlasFY for you page on any social media is half naked girls sexualizing themselves that's why I deleted all social media No Matter What followed it's all naked girls okay I mean definitely the algorithms on all these platforms are

Brian Atlasdefinitely gonna start pushing that [ __ ] so uh it's what keeps the eyeballs on the apps thank you banana we have doc vanabbles here one sec marriage is not necessarily about

Brian Atlashappiness first it serves the benefit of the children second helps you find meaning and personal growth white coat you will end up with multiple divorces and lots of cats oh my God yeah do you

Helen Zodhave a response to Doc venables here yeah I'm I'm not looking to be married again she's gonna cry to her dollar bills and cats are great for the record I love cats and I'm definitely fine actually

Helen ZodI'm very content if I don't meet someone that I'm aligned with I can live on my own I have a beautiful life and then I'm perfectly fine if I have to stay alone into the mic please I'm perfectly fine

Brian Atlasif I stay all alone okay um we have let me do oh another reminder this stream is sponsored by oh hold on dollars

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Brian Atlasthing when it comes to marriage is you do not sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it and in today's day and age women are rewarded financially for breaking the marriage

Amycontract so no sane informed man ought to should would could whatever sign that contract in my opinion you know that uh singer Kelly uh like she's like I forget her last name uh she was

Amyon like American Idol Kelly Kelly Clarkson yeah thank you her husband was basically a nobody he's bankrolling off of her and he broke it based why do you say that what that he's getting oh yeah

Amyyeah yeah I think it's and her like ranch or something like that's messed up if you see that story wait what happened yeah I think he filed for divorce and

TTS/Chathe's like the energy donated 99 these 304s got some nerve stop the damn cap you know Yahoo will leave your simps

TTS/Chaton the same day if they didn't spend serious cash on that ring slash wedding the name fits

Brian Atlasokay

Brian Atlasyou think man appreciate it appreciate it

Amyoh okay I thought somebody had something oh no worries we were just talking about Kelly Clarkson how she's getting worked by her ex-husband shout out Kelly yes it's good it's good so it's okay

Nikkiwhen men do it yeah he got like a farm in Montana is your man doing it yeah it's just kind of like you know

Brian Atlasthis is what you wanted these are the alimony laws although I don't know that's not a good argument but uh okay so hold on I I wanted to come back to you you said you've been single for six

Psyyears correct yes you do you you do adult content is that correct I don't like adult content cosplay spicy cosplay do you have like an

Psyexclusive site no I don't you don't I have okay Define it Define exclusives are you either on fansley or of or I have fancy I do but I don't do nudes

Brian Atlasum I'm mostly on cosplay so there's no zero zero oh okay oh wow wow look guys this is this is

Brian Atlasa panel where we don't have I don't think any girl here does of that is I don't think we've had a panel in a long time where there wasn't at least one girl who did some some kind of

Brian Atlasadult kind of content so that is fantastic okay wait why was the question directed just at me though I have a kid with you

Brian Atlasokay whoa I'm trying to not have kids with her so we cannot have super kids with super [ __ ] up thyroids um don't worry I got mine's kind of you know

Brian Atlasthere um it'd be mostly your fault though just saying if we mostly is that is it insensitive that I'm joking about here why what Hashimoto's my one you

Brian Atlashave things what huh yeah go on you're making it awkward like let's move on to the next one no but this isn't sensitive it's not I don't feel it's not a reality it's my reality you got thick skin okay all

Brian Atlasright so some of you very kindly provided some pre-show notes to us so we're gonna do a little Deep dive uh Helen you're in your actually hold on I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to save that for later I'll come back I'll come back to you um let's see we have we have Nikki here I'm from LA and the

Brian Atlaswomen here might benefit from hearing a perspective that doesn't glorify only fans Instagram clogging clogging clubbing excuse me um

TTS/Chatdid you what did you specifically want to speak about on that oh interrupted donated 99 Pi GH Valu man here feels cringed to

TTS/Chattype that I disagree on cheap rings takes an ordinary woman and elevates her to the status of the man she is able to retain as my income grows my wife's ring

Brian Atlasgets replaced golden diamonds are investments and disagree on she brings takes an ordinary woman and elevates her to The Stance of the man she's okay I mean I don't think anyone's

Amydisagreeing with that but we're just saying like what's the bare minimum that we'll accept but I mean if you're gifting me a big fancy ring I'm not going to say no but it's kind of like you know a lot of you said I don't really care

Brian Atlastwenty dollar ring fine but it wouldn't there's not you know you don't think there's some part of you that would feel it would be a detriment if he didn't spend a certain amount on a ring well if he had the money it was

Brian Atlasjust choosing not to and which is like hey actually you don't deserve anything cooler than that like what's his what's his attitude no even if he has the money but he's like this is a waste this is some propaganda from the [ __ ] Diamond

Brian Atlasindustry that it's like some some ridiculous it's a psyop for us to spend money on some diamonds the cost of Diamonds Are Over inflated there there's

Brian Atlasan abundance of diamonds they're not particularly rare blah whatever it is um what if it's just like yeah this is a scam I'm not going to spend five thousand dollars on this when this probably costs like two bucks yeah like somebody I think in the chat had said

Amylike what if I made it like would you love that and hell yeah yeah like some kind of like sentimental value or maybe you have an inside joke with your partner like my sister literally just got married this last weekend and um the engagement ring uh was like a black

Brian Atlasstone that was really special to my sister and that's what she's gonna wear forever so but a lot of you said you wouldn't care and I guess my next I don't know how long I want to linger on this particular topic but

Amyif the guy didn't pay for the first date would you have an issue with that yeah yeah yeah I would here let's go around the table really quick we'll touch on it

Helen Zodum if it doesn't pay for the first date it depends like he wants to split the bill so you're not paying for him he just wants

Brian Atlasto split deal breaker you have an issue with it no second date [Music]

Claudiayes I believe that a man should pay for like the first date and I think that he should I I really like the traditional like first date he opens the door and he's a gentleman I think that that

Claudiathat's what I place value in in him being a gentleman and him paid for the first date but if he were to ask me to split I would split but yeah

Amyyeah I think it's definitely uh appreciated if the man pays for the first date however if I don't like them I offered a split because and I will explain it because I would feel bad like using them which I'd never use anyone

Psyfor anything but like I would feel obligated because I don't like you I'm not gonna see you again I'm gonna pay myself yeah me too I would prefer to split and honestly it depends on the conversation like dinner is about conversation

Heidium I mean if he asked me on the day and he told me um to split I'd probably take that as an insult and I would just probably like pay the whole thing and never see him again so if the guy asks

Brian Atlashe should pay if the guy asks he should pay does that I think most of you would agree with that yeah well but okay I'll come oh okay

Aubryum have you ever asked a guy out on a date uh no interesting how that works okay what about you um it wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker for me if he

Nikkithe first date but I would prefer that to happen yes if the guy pays okay what about you I'm looking to be a traditional woman and I want my man to be traditional as well so no no splitting no splitting the bill okay

Brian Atlaswell you currently have a boyfriend correct five five years I do yes did you guys live together we do yes you split the bills we sure do right down the middle 50 50. yes and then when it comes to like dates you old

Aubrydoes he pay or it's kind of 50 50 like he gets one you get one type of thing um yeah sometimes we do do that you know I'll cover coffee one day he'll cover dinner the next something like that um but most often we do split things 50

Aubry50. um we are an interesting situation I work he's currently still going to school to be a pilot so it just works a little different he's not currently making money right now in the way that I

Brandonam okay all right yeah I'm an old school romantic so I definitely would pay on the first date I mean if the girl asked me out maybe

Brandonnot but even then I'm still like yeah I mean it's not that big of a deal I think you should split the first day 100 so split brain has started to think

TTS/Chatyou're cheap you guys don't even know if you like it I kind of get where Brian's coming from I do Raven DT donated 100 best way to

TTS/Chatweed out a woman who thinks her time is worth more than yours first date Separate Checks if she still wants to

Brian Atlassee you for another date man pays for second date third date she pays for it yeah that that's that's the thing you could do um yo Raven thank you man really appreciate the TTS um definitely

Brian Atlasagree though first date absolutely Separate Checks he does have a very good point though thank you Raven of if it can be a way to screen out low interest women like if you don't pay for

Brian Atlasthe first obviously you you don't expect her to pay for you you pay for your meal she pays for hers it is a way to screen out women who have a low interest in you because if

Brian Atlaseven maybe her standard is she does want a guy to pay for the first date but if she's so interested in you that she's going to be like I still want to see him even even though he can't here's my standard but I still want to see him

Brian Atlasthat's a very high interest woman in terms of her interest in you so I think it's actually a good way to screen out uh women who have like low interest so

Amyyou know I love you too you were saying I was just gonna say I think I think women put a lot of effort into First Dates that's very expensive words

Brian Atlasall right we have a hummingbird in the age uh just uh Nick open up the door a little more and then flies out

Brian Atlasall right what's the bird's name Jeffrey hopefully the bird doesn't hit one of the lights because if it does it's gonna get [ __ ] fried

Amywe're gonna be eating bird tonight so what were you saying uh well I just said I said it's just starting to sound that way because you don't want to pay

Brian Atlasfor much but um I yeah no rings no Weddings But but I mean if if we take that argument to its large logical conclusion then like aren't 99 of women cheat because almost no women want to do

Amyany of these things that well I disagree with that um like you know as an example when women go on a date the amount of effort it puts into keeping their hair nice getting their hair done getting

Amytheir nails done waxing shaving makeup makeup is so expensive their outfits all of those things I mean it's expensive to get ready for a man to be pleased by what they're looking at

Amywell yeah but don't women also say that you guys wear makeup for yourselves I think some women do I don't agree with that because I don't agree with that oh so

Brian Atlasyou wear you wear makeup to be more attractive 100 yeah well I appreciate your honesty most women aren't prepared to cop to that I guess but admit to it yeah but uh

Brian Atlasas far as the effort that goes into preparing for the first date first off well actually one I actually prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup so I'll maybe I'll tell a woman and you don't really Gotta Wear any of that [ __ ]

Amyyeah but that's so rare I I feel like you know I mean I'm more that way like you know I didn't wear makeup for a very very long time in uniform you know I didn't get I had to kind of learn fashion and makeup and stuff when I left but that's a rare thing a lot of men

Brian Atlasespecially these days you know really want their women to be like social media models you know right but okay as far as it being cheap like it's it's not about being cheap it's just that we as men as

Brian Atlasat least me as a as a guy I don't want to waste my money on someone who doesn't deserve it and it's it's not about the dollar figure it's like what 10 bucks for a drink whatever I don't care uh it's more about the principal thing

Brian Atlasbecause I would feel bad in the same way like let's say someone stole ten dollars from you what's ten dollars it doesn't really but it they they've they've slighted you

Brian Atlasyeah they've done something not they've victimized you in a way I'm not I'm not comparing robbery to taking a girl out on a date but but it's it's not so much about the point I'm trying to make is

Brian Atlasit's not so much about the actual dollar figure it's that you've been wronged in some way and let me okay this is not I feel like I'm digging myself a hole here how many days we were talking because I don't think you're if a girl's

Brian Atlasnot interested if a girl's not interested in you if a girl's not interested in you I don't think you're you've been wronged because she's not interested that's not what I'm trying to say but like if

Brian Atlasyou're on a date with a girl who perhaps has for example if she's on a date with you for a foodie call then I think you've been wronged where it's like she has some

Brian Atlasulterior motive for her wanting to be on the date whether it's for food whether sometimes people will go on the first date they'll do an experience together some guys will put out a lot of money on a first date to try to impress a girl whatever it may be

Brian Atlasum so for me it's more principal thing like in in addition to that I would feel I don't know if wrong does the right word but one of the reasons I don't like to pay on the first date is the way

Brian Atlaspeople move both men and women in 2023 is you have to assume going in whether you're a man or woman that that person you're seeing may very well be seeing multiple other people

Brian Atlasuh so if I'm going on a date with a girl it could very well be the case that she's sleeping with one two three other dudes maybe she's not sleeping with other men but maybe she's dating other men I've

Brian Atlasbeen on dates with girls and I'm talking to them and I had one girl who's not particularly remarkable in any way she said she had five dates scheduled that week oh that's weird I don't feel particularly special I don't feel

Brian Atlasparticularly inclined to fall into my traditional gender roles of paying for the first date when you're pursuing so many other options yeah now especially if you're if a woman is sleeping with another guy and you're going on a day

Brian Atlaswith me and then I'm going to pay for your food You're Gonna I've said this a couple times before here's like the scenario that's just like crushing if I P if I were to pay for a girl's food let's say we go on a dinner date

Brian Atlaswhich I actually don't recommend dinner dates certainly for First Dates it's for a variety of reasons she gets it to go bag with her extra food gives me an ass out hug at the end of

Brian Atlasthe day that was nice good date it takes a little to go back brings it over you know the date ends at 10 9 pm 10 p.m brings it to the house of

Brian Atlasthe dude who she's sleeping with who by the way never paid for took her out on a date gives him the food which I paid for then she [ __ ] him then he eats the food

Amythat's like that's like this is oddly is that what happens yeah this is so specific how do you that was very specific well I think this

Brian Atlashappens I don't know if it's happened is that keep in mind I I avoid food dates I've I've done occasional food dates especially date I want to run away if I

Helen Zoddon't like the guy I go to coffee first yeah coffee I like it and for the coffee I want them to buy the coffee or the drink oh yeah not even that not even a five dollar coffee you don't pay for that [ __ ] either no I want them to do

Helen Zodthe first time because I'm not gonna go so and then I only go like three dates per year so if like he doesn't have a gesture of like paying for the first one like I don't want to waste my time okay no I completely agree with this I know

Aubrywomen who have specifically gone on dating apps and continue to go on dates number one to get free food and number one to have sex that evening 100 wait have sex with the guy they're on the date with or have sex with the guy

Aubrythey're on the date with so yeah the guy is getting something out of it but still I mean that's getting into weird territory they're not doing it to actually get into a committed relationship they're doing it to just go on a date girl wants to get laid and she

Aubrywants some free food and she's never gonna see the guy again I know people who have done that completely and I think that when it comes to a guy paying for the first date I do tend to agree a little bit more with what Brian's saying um and I think it really mostly comes

Aubrydown to the time in life that you're in I mean you're in college you know going on a date with someone everybody's kind of poor in college like I think and then it's definitely appropriate to split the bill but I do see where the others are coming when it comes to generally I

Claudiawould understand why a man would pay for a bill okay so Brian I have a question for you um so I feel like I can see the narrative that you have in your head and it makes absolute sense because I do

Claudiaagree with um what she's saying that there are girls that will you know go out and do you know some terrible things use men to get whatever their intentions

Claudiaare and I completely agree with you but there are some women that are that have healthy intentions do you want to find the manner of their life and you know

Claudiathere are some men that actually want to court you know girls I guess Korea and pay you know um for the first date and um and bring

Claudiaflowers and be you know so what do you think about the the guys that you know want to pay for like the traditional dinner and bring them like the flowers and all that stuff and the girls that

Claudiaare still out there and do have like healthy intentions and who still want to meet like their husband and through you know these dating apps and don't have those intentions because I know it's hard to find it yeah okay well I mean

Brian Atlasall those things you listed like paying for the first date it's not going to hurt you in any way so like the I don't actually recommend men do what I do

Brian Atlasum because not paying for the date could otherwise shut the door on what you know me personally I use it just as a screening mechanism for women who have

Brian Atlasa high interest and then uh but I'm prepared to like I'm not pressed like any one date I'm never pressed like oh I really because that's a terrible

Brian Atlasplace I think for mostly for men but also for women to be in if you're like really hoping it works out and you're really like you're a little too interested I think that's

Brian Atlastypically it tends to not work out you get in your head about it so I'm very outcome independent like I don't if it doesn't happen with any given person I honestly don't give a [ __ ] like yeah I don't care

Claudiayeah okay that yeah that makes sense well if we actually that's a healthy thing to not get attached that early but I I feel like opening the door paying for dates gifts

Brian Atlasflowers all that stuff I feel like these are things that are reserved for women who are worthy of them

Brian Atlasthat's more from a waste of money standpoint okay but um like I it's more so just until you are only seeing me and I know

Brian Atlasthis definitively I'm not gonna do the traditional Court like I'm not gonna be the traditional guy that makes sense because a lot of people are seeing multiple people I'm not gonna sit here and like spend money on a girl yeah

Brian Atlasyeah and you're [ __ ] another dude like to me that's just that's not okay you want TR you want traditional gender roles don't just go one way you can't ex can't be [ __ ] a bunch of dudes and

Brian Atlasthen expect a guy to want to be a traditional man and Court you and pay you while you're getting you're you're [ __ ] a bunch of other dudes like I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna do it yeah and I know I'm a bit blunt in my

Brian Atlaspresentation but again I don't recommend men do this because you are going to uh you are going to lose out on some women but for me it's just like a

Helen Zodit's a it's a matter of principle for measure you almost have to do it nowadays though because of how common this is and then how do you filter them out me personally let's say for what an

Helen Zodhour or 30 minutes you talk with someone and you kind of get an idea with like how your you what kind of like the filter system you're using even to go on a date with them or not so like that's the biggest thing I hate though too is

Brandonthat me personally I hate having to sit here and filter out another girl you know what I mean we hate it too like yeah like filter out what is wrong with this world like is she gonna do this not

Helen Zodabout what is wrong is like what do you have in harmony together what do you have in harmony together yeah finding a connection and then you will see okay am I aligned then I'm gonna go to the date so for example

Helen Zodif the guy tells me like couple of red flags I'm not gonna waste my time to go on a date I'm just gonna go on a date that I feel like there's potential here so I'm interested to go on a date right I agree with that I'll pay if she has

Brian Atlasthe Bill's on you I have so she has to bring that up herself yeah pass me a note at some point um I suppose I would also pay if um

Brian Atlaslike if she was like in college if she was like 20 or 21. 34. you're gonna date a call like an 18

Brian Atlasyear old well in college that could be 18 19 20 21. see here's the thing like okay yeah everyone all the girls at the table are

Brian Atlasmaking faces we got you know this is actually uh panel wise we have a

Brian AtlasOkay so it's funny a lot of people Grimace like oh Brian you would date someone who's 21 and you're 34. uh yes I would heaven forbid I did I date a woman who's at her

AmyPeak Physical attractiveness um because I look better than a lot of 21 year olds I work my ass off stop the cow you're saying that just because

Brian Atlassomeone's 21 that they look do have you seen the Obesity crisis in the U.S everyone's getting a little chunky but yeah I don't see how that's real okay so you're you are 33 correct yeah do you

Amythink you're you're better looking now than you were at 23. yeah absolutely really yeah I mean I haven't seen photos but like yeah well at 23 I was in the middle of Afghanistan with my head shaved so yeah okay but like

Brian Atlasthere are certain things that as you age for both men and women that you know your skin loses a bit of its uh taughtness I don't know if that's the right word uh you get wrinkles you know

Brian Atlastypically yeah I mean you can start getting into better shape as you get older however a lot of people start getting a little bit wait you know but um

Brian Atlasfor I think I was better looking when I was 23 or 24 than I am now at 34. I think I think men often look better as they get older yeah well I mean there is

Amysomething to be said that then in some perhaps more so than women can not all the times yeah definitely I'll say there's a lot of great looking 21 year old women and I'm not going to just feed that but I

Amyjust don't want you to generalize so much like there's a lot of me like Kim Kardashian's body is amazing

Brian Atlasher okay well you're you're telling this to the wrong guy because I I despise plastic surgery and she's had BBL she's had lipo she has fake tits she's had

Brian Atlastons of work done so I don't like women with plastic surgery so she looks amazing I mean no no no she's describe

Brian Atlasno I'm sorry maybe if she's doing it for herself plastic surgery I don't think looks good on women wait but Brian yeah actually like dating like like what do

Nikkiyou honestly have in common with like an 18 year old like are you just dating her because like she might have a big I don't know like what is your purpose like yes hold

TTS/Chaton I'll let this come in the donated 99 so the military lady lip fillers do not look I don't have any no matter where you go no lip filler you used to though didn't you a long

Brian Atlastime ago yeah it's all dissolved now but nice truck okay well first off um let me point something out I'm not like hanging out at college parties trying to pick up 18 year olds okay I'm not like however

Brian Atlaslike if also let me clarify most of the women I've dated in the past couple years have actually been around my age actually I've dated women older than me in

Brian Atlasrecency so most of women I've dated recently within a couple years of me uh dated I did the 45 year old uh like a year or two ago and then I dated uh I think someone well in any case I've

Brian Atlasdated some women older than me so it's like most the women I date typically are around my age late 20s early 30s whatever um but would I object to dating a woman who's 21 or as you if you want to use

Brian Atlasthe extreme example to try to I do try to put me in a corner here uh an 18 year old no I don't object to dating an 18 year old because you don't have to buy her a ring or pay for dinner no it's

Brian Atlasjust like I think I think 18 to 25 don't get me wrong there's women who are in their 30s even 40s that I think are very attractive women it's not like I'm hyper

Brian Atlasfocused in on like 18 to 25 year old women however don't shoot the messenger here and the vast majority of men

Psythink women between the ages of 18 to 25 are the most physically attractive well apart from the physical aspect what do you think you would have in common

Brian Atlaswith someone that yeah emotional maturity like emotionally sure well do you think that commonality is the ultimate or penultimate

Psything that men or women care about when it comes to it being attracted to somebody it's not the ultimate but it gets started like whatever relationship

Brian Atlasyou want to build it's always awesome Than Physical actually but when you when you have in common with an 18 year old what do you think in that regard I

Brian Atlashave in common with like are you talking about oh we're in the same age cohort therefore we've seen the same movies why are you shaming Brian for dating

TTS/Chatyounger women when younger women prefer much older men younger women provide fertility that older women do not older women are more argumentative combative

Brian Atlasdisagreeable and difficult to get along with that just means they don't tolerate so yeah it is interesting like women men always get shamed for their preferences

Brian Atlasstandards and boundaries men are not allowed to have preferences women they can like tall men they can like XYZ characteristics when it comes to men but the moment the man says well I'm attracted this is what I'm attracted to oh

Helen Zodwell that you're you're oh I don't like to date obese women oh my God you're you're so superficial or but you know you you you're in first

Helen Zodworld country you're in a very small bubble with the rest of the world they value a Woman based on how she looks so like in all the Middle East in Asian country they choose women based on her

Helen Zodappearance how pretty she is or like what kind of family status she comes from so but in a first world country like like Eastern Europe Europe or America is a little bit different values in opposite culture it's completely

Helen Zodopposite the women get the shame about like their choices what they want or what kind of Lifestyle they want to choose like it was completely opposite for us so for example when I say I want

Helen Zodmy the guy that I'm dating I want him to be hot they're like oh you're so shallow so it's a shallow thing for me because I'm Middle Eastern and I'm coming from the culture that I'm not allowed to say that I think the other thing Brian too is

Amylike it's like you're kind of putting women in a rock in a hard place like there's no way to to win like what do you mean like you're saying that is the mark yeah like 20 20 early 20th year old women are like the ideal but then you shame women who get like plastic surgery

Amyand things like that that are trying to basically because there's so many men out there saying younger women are hotter they look better Etc so they're when they try to like take care of themselves like you know through any kind of plastic surgery whatsoever to

Brian Atlasreverse the clock a little bit then they're shamed as well plastic surgery doesn't make you look younger it just makes you look weird at the age you are in my view I think plastic surgery do

Helen Zodyou think I'm look I look weird what have you had done like I had fat transfer in my foot I had fat transferring my face um I touched my eyebrows I I did uh plastic surgery we need to be specific here when we say plastic surgery because

Brian Atlasthere's different obviously there's different kinds of procedures typically the the more common things when I think of plastic surgery would be

Brian Atlasso breast implants BBL lipo and lip fillers those are the four those are the four that at least for me absolutely not and then also labia

Helen Zodplaysty get the [ __ ] out here don't don't do that [ __ ] I do liposuction and I do work out very very hard but like whatever I feel like oh I want to upgrade this so just like how I

Helen Zodupgrade my phone or upgrade my life style I upgrade myself too I'm like I like it this way so I'm gonna go do that for myself right yeah go ahead I'm so sorry for interrupting okay um so I have a question to

Claudiaum with the younger girls um with you and I'm not shaming you you can date whoever but um with the with that age range it girls tend to be a little bit

Claudiaum tend to be more naive they could be easily controlled they can be more easily manipulated impressed impre they and they can they're easily impressed when I hear them when I talk to them and

ClaudiaI hear them talk about what their boyfriends do for them I'm like oh my god wow like I remember being that young and being like so is that a reason why you also like to date younger besides

Claudiabeing highly sexually attractive they are they are I could never compete with a 18 year old I definitely know that but it's also that thing because to be

Claudiahonest with like when it comes to psychology compatibility is always the number one factor that when it comes to being a successful relationship so okay sure there's a answer to that question

Brian Atlassure well there's a few things there um first off I I kind of reject this it's easier to control thing I mean it's not a contr it's not a control

Brian Atlasthing always with the shaming language when it comes to men's preferences but um You could argue that women actually have quite a bit of power

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to because women are The Gatekeepers of sex the other thing I would point out is an older say a woman who's 30 who's like really like let's say the clock is tick and then

Brian Atlasshe's like I need to find a guy you could actually make the argument that the woman in their 30s is more you could more readily manipulate her because she's like really seeking out something long term

Brian Atlasnot where the younger woman has much more options younger women a younger woman like is yeah so I mean but okay what's your question what is the question I mean yeah is is one of

Brian Atlasthe reasons that 18 year olds are more besides being sexually attractive because I don't see what else you see in an 18 year old she's bangable okay so in addition to just like on an

Brian Atlasintellectual level being like okay I think women between the age of like 18 to 25 just again don't shoot the messenger a lot a lot of men think this way they might not admit it too would say like objectively like I think that's the peak age range

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to physical attractiveness absolutely um it's also just an evolutionary biological thing because it it's related to fertility younger women are more fertile so not only can you

Brian Atlasintellectualize like she actually she actually looks more physically attractive on an intellectual level younger women are more capable of bearing children so there's there's a

Brian Atlasbuilt-in evolutionary attraction trigger to prefer for men to prefer younger women because they're more fertile mm-hmm and that's a pretty large basis

Claudiaof physical attraction but what I'm asking you is the the one of the most important things is that there's also be emotional intimacy vulnerability part

Claudialike how do you connect to an 18 year old because as a 30 they were all the same age I I cannot connect to someone I also love that women are different men

Claudiaand women are different we are on we are different but I'm asking you how you connect to an 18 year old when it comes to intimacy vulnerability because

Claudiacompatibility is a very strong factor to relationship success so I'm just asking you how do you get to that intimacy part okay sure sure so

Nikkiwe're not shaming for being attracted to younger women it's just what else besides their attractiveness do you guys ask yourself besides like biological okay let him

Brian Atlasanswer well but I mean like like besides that okay the biological reasons though so it doesn't well no I didn't I didn't necess I'm I'm a little on the fence when it comes to kids I could I couldn't

Brian Atlaswe'll see how life goes I have my own dilemmas in life that may may want me Jesus I can't speak tonight um or any night for that matter uh that that may

Brian Atlaswant me to not have kids but I'm on the fence I can't I do want to have kids but we'll see how life goes um Okay so what you're saying what is the compound compatibility with someone who's younger

Brian AtlasI'll tell you this I've as someone who's dated women my age who's dated women who are even older than me into their 40s I can tell you that the same [ __ ] that you deal with in any sort of

Brian Atlasrelationship can manifest manifest itself at any age I know some Inc and I've dated some immature people who are in their 30s I'm sure some of you here

Brian Atlaswho are in your 30s late 30s early 30s I think we have year 42 correct um we have people quite a few people here in their 30s maybe some of you in

Brian Atlasyour 20s have dated people in your 30s how's their maturity level like it's not something but but like

Brian Atlasto say that dating someone your age is going to be a guarantee that there's compatibility and that there's maturity is fallacious uh

Brian Atlasin the same way that there's someone who could be 21 that's actually very compatible with you very mature and then the additional benefits low body count likely to be low body

Brian Atlascount as you the more years you've been on this planet the more people you [ __ ] you know it was Broadway what's your body it's Broadway well we'll get we can get into that later but typically like as you get older like your body

Brian Atlascount but that increases that's also false but that's I can also be false well sure you could you could be 35 and have three sexual partners and you could be 18 and have 30 sexual partners we've

Brian Atlashad girls on the show who yeah at 18 19 20 21 have had 50 60 70 100 plus sexual partners so of course it's not like

Brian Atlasbut that same person at 18 is likely to have more sexual partners by the time she reaches 28. so and certainly if I look at a 33 year

Brian Atlasold woman when she was 23 she probably had fewer sexual partners when she was 23. obviously I can't time travel and go hook up with her when when she was 23 but

Brian Atlasum so body Count's important men prefer women with low body well most men prefer women with lower body count I feel like I also want that well absolutely

Helen Zodyeah I know I guess yeah don't get me wrong like will you say this to another girl will you ask a girl why are you dating because one that is 10 years younger no yeah no actually yeah because

ClaudiaI'm the same way when you meet someone One mic guys yeah no I agree with you I completely agree with you on that but definitely I feel like it's a very

Claudiageneralized view but with the whole they're more sexually attractive I completely agree and with the same thing you can meet an immature person at 30 and you can yeah sure look don't agree

Brian Atlasand don't get me wrong it's not like I exclusively date young women like I've said I date women my age in their 30s um I find women who are in their 30s

Brian Atlasattractive however I'm not gonna like sit here and lie to you and say that if I if you like I don't know how to perfectly articulate this but women

Brian Atlasbetween the ages of say 18 to 25 me personally and I think I speak for a lot of men here now there's a question of can we get those women that's a different question but I would say those women purely speaking physical attractiveness I think

Aubrythey're the most physically attractive right and I think to both men and women physical attract physical attraction is very very important it is well and I think we're leaving one really important thing out here which is women in that

Aubryage range tend to go for men in their 30s who are established and make money and things of that nature is it the right thing to do we can all have our own opinions on that but that is what those women are seeking from 18 to 25 is

Helen Zodyou know they're going for 30 year olds right yeah I know sometime I also want to add like you meet someone like either through work or through here and there and you don't ask about how old are you how old are you like like there's a

Helen Zodchemistry you like you guys get along and then like and then oh wow we are like have an age a gap of seven years so what do you do with that or just because you're seven years older than me or younger than me I'm not gonna date you

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