Brian Gets SHAMED For His Preferences?! | Dating Talk #91

Date: 2023-08-09

Duration: 3h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CClaudia (DT91)>

BBrandon Mills (DT91)>

MMadison (DT91)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Heidi(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Helen Zod(guest)

SPEAKER_07Claudia(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brandon(guest)

SPEAKER_10Aubry(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Psy(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMadison satirically 'apologizes' for culturally appropriating German culture by wearing a WWI pickelhaube hat

“from the bottom of my heart I would like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody”

QuoteHelen Zod introduces herself — 42, multiple healthcare businesses and new podcast/radio app

“my name is Helen Zod I'm 42 years old and my occupation is I'm a business owner I own several Health healthcare companies from home health hospice Pharmacy compounding commercial buildings”

QuoteClaudia introduces herself — 34, neuropsychologist and TV personality

“my name is Claudia and I'm 34 and I am a neuropsychologist and I'm also a TV personality”

ControversyBrian defends preference for younger women (18-25) as evolutionary/biological, pushes back on 'shaming language' for male preferences after panel challenges him

“it is interesting like women men always get shamed for their preferences standards and boundaries men are not allowed to have preferences”

QuoteNikki reveals she is now waiting until marriage for sex, a standard adopted at age 27

“whether you're religious or not sex is a very powerful energy exchange ... that's as close as you're ever going to physically be with someone”

QuoteBrian summarizes relationship/marriage expectation mismatch

“men marry women with the hope they will never change Women Marry men with the hope they will change invariably they are both disappointed”

QuoteAubry confesses she cheated on her high school boyfriend before college and takes full responsibility

“I felt an extreme amount of Shame for about a week or so and after that I actually told him I told my boyfriend that I cheated on him right before we were about to move out to Hawaii together”

QuoteClaudia reads her Hinge prompt 'dating me is like dating diamonds' and explains the Twilight reference and what she brings to a relationship

“dating me is like dating diamonds it's beautiful ... I think I am a whole package”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas introduces co-host Kiki and 8 panelists: Helen Zod (42, healthcare entrepreneur), Claudia (34, neuropsychologist/TV personality), Amy (33, HR leader/Army veteran), Psy (~39, fashion designer/filmmaker), Heidi (23, unemployed), Aubry (25, Turning Point USA publicist), Nikki (28, aerospace PM), Brandon Mills (25, VFX artist). Relationship statuses covered.

Ariana Grande Infidelity News

Panel discusses Ariana Grande's affair with Ethan Slater (SpongeBob Broadway actor) while both were married. Debate over relative blame between Ariana and Slater. Claudia offers psychological analysis framing Ariana as potentially narcissistic based on behavioral pattern.

Mia Khalifa Marriage/Divorce TikTok Reaction

Panel reacts to viral Mia Khalifa TikTok about her multiple marriages and divorces. Claudia analyzes sex-worker psychology and adrenaline-seeking behavior patterns. Debate over whether it's acceptable to leave a marriage when unhappy.

Divorce Rate and Marriage Skepticism

Extended discussion on 50%+ divorce rates, marriage incentives in military, religious motivations for marriage, pros/cons of marriage for men vs women. Brian expresses skepticism about marriage for men due to legal/financial risks. Helen shares her 14-year marriage and $70k/yr child support experience.

Wedding Ring Cost and Wedding Spending

Panel goes around the table on how much a partner should spend on an engagement ring. Most women say the amount doesn't matter; they value relationship quality over ring cost. Discussion of fiscal irresponsibility of large weddings.

First Date Paying — Who Should Pay?

Debate on who should pay on a first date. TTS donation suggests Separate Checks as a filter for interest. Brian broadly agrees. Panel mixed; most women still expect men to pay.

Brian's Preference for Younger Women (Title Topic)

Nikki and Claudia challenge Brian on why he would date women aged 18-25. Brian defends age preference on evolutionary/biological (fertility) and lower body-count grounds. Panel pushes back on emotional compatibility concerns. TTS comment reads: 'men always get shamed for their preferences'.

Plastic Surgery

Helen discloses her procedures (fat transfer face/foot, brow work, liposuction). Brian states he dislikes breast implants, BBL, lipo, lip fillers, labia plasty. Discussion of double standard: women shamed for aging but also for attempting to fix it via surgery.

Women in the Workforce / STEM

Brief discussion on women entering STEM and corporate careers. Nikki and others discuss feeling sold on corporate ladder climbing that hasn't led to fulfillment. Brian expresses support for women in STEM for solving humanity's problems.

Instagram / Social Media in Relationships

Discussion on whether a boyfriend can ask his girlfriend to delete revealing Instagram photos. Nikki says she would comply willingly. Brian expresses preference for partners with minimal social media presence. Panel debates double standard for men vs women posting revealing photos.

Requirements in a Partner — Final Round

Panel goes around table on what they want in a partner. Helen: minimum 6 feet tall, intelligent, kind, emotionally intelligent, complete package. Amy: no checklist currently, open-minded. Heidi: compatibility and someone who is better than her. Aubry: in relationship. Nikki: now requires celibacy until marriage. Brian: lists physical preferences (shorter height, large labia, soft-spoken/shy).

Body Count Discussion

Panel goes around table on body count. Helen: 10+ but not answered directly. Claudia: 3 (only serious boyfriends). Psy: deflected. Heidi: 7 (stated briefly). Aubry: over 5, under 15. Nikki: not answered. Brandon: not answered.

Self-Ratings Round

Panel asked to rate their looks 1-10. Psy refuses to participate (doesn't see the value). Aubry: 7-8 (stated 'solid 7.8, seven'). Nikki: 6 (or 6.9 on a good day). Most others declined. Brian says there are no 10s at the table.

Aubry's High School Cheating Story

Aubry recounts cheating on her high school boyfriend (together since middle school) right before college at 18 with a virgin male friend. She confessed; boyfriend ended the relationship and exposed her on Twitter. She takes full responsibility.

Claudia's Hinge Dating Profile Review

Brian reviews Claudia's Hinge profile prompts on stream. Prompt: 'Dating me is like dating diamonds' (Twilight Edward reference). Claudia explains she offers peace, emotional regulation, loyalty, and good conversation.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasshow anyways without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead do we have the same age yes

Helen Zodmy name is Helen Zod I'm 42. my name is Helen Zod I'm 42 years old and my occupation is I'm a business owner I own several Health healthcare companies from

Helen Zodhome health hospice Pharmacy compounding commercial buildings and just created my own podcast and radio app that is just a new project that I'm working

Claudiaokay cool very cool my name is Claudia and I'm 34 and I am a neuropsychologist and I'm also a TV

Amypersonality all right welcome hi I'm Amy I'm 33 and I'm a human resources leader 33 you said and you used to be in the military correct yeah I was in the Army

Amyfor 16 were you enlisted or officer both oh both he started as enlisted and then uh NCO or well NCO is non-commissioned Officer so it's what you are before you can list oh sorry before you go officer

Amyroute so non-commissioned officer is the same thing as enlisted

Amyokay um so but then uh you went to college and then you like became so I joined the military when I was 17 so I did College in the military and then I went through OCS the last few

Brian Atlasyears that I was in right because in order to become like an officer you need to go to college first correct but you can actually do it while you're going to college too they have ROTC for that as well okay gotcha um what uh what was

Amyyour you were in the Army correct yeah Army okay what was your uh profession while you were in the Army so I had a couple uh 42 Alpha which is human resources 79 Tango which is recruiting

Brian Atlasand retention marketing wait did you just say HR yeah uh-oh okay no just kidding uh okay that's cool yeah what

Amyrank did you rise to uh a one a one yeah okay very cool uh anything else I mean any tours in Afghanistan from

Amy2010 to 2012. um a few other places as well how many how many tours did you do two uh in a combat zone yeah Good Times yeah good times nice

Psyhey everyone my name is Psy I'm 30 something [Laughter]

Psyall right and um I do fashion design on the side and documentary filmmaking mainly okay cool uh hi my name is uh a little closer with the mic please hi my name is

HeidiHeidi um I am 23 and I'm currently unemployed you said 23 correct okay

AubryI'm Aubry and I'm the publicist for Turning Point USA and I'm 25 years old

Brian Atlasoh oh okay I'll I'm gonna fix that really quick um just don't keep it don't put it on that angle uh quite yet but uh if everybody wants

Nikkito continue on hi I'm Nikki I just turned 28 and I'm a project manager for Aerospace

Brandonmy name is Brandon I'm 25 years old and I am a VFX artist s in this fix here

Brian Atlasyou guys want to do a little dance or something about it all right yo guys is that better is that better sir

NikkiStraight Out of Time let's go bro you guys know me that was probably so funny okay

Brian Atlasum here guys it should be one in the chat if it's fixed um we we just got this new camera so it's expected we had a little it was a very minor uh just something in OBS I

Brian Atlasforgot to check but one in the chat if uh you no longer hear the echo I'm assuming it should be fixed all right sweet sweet thank you thank you to the chat for

Brian Atlasapprising us of that issue so uh oh I have one note here so Madison um Madison there's been a lot of uh people

Brian Atlascalling you out for culturally appropriating German culture by you wearing that world war one imperial German picklehaba so Madison uh

Brian Atlaswhat do you have to uh what do you have to say for yourself

Madisonget into the camera so they can actually from the bottom of my heart I would like to take this chance

Madisonto apologize to absolutely nobody yeah [Music]

Brian Atlasa little bit later on in the show we will be asking the panel about if you would date someone who culturally appropriated on a regular basis so we will talk about that because it's somewhat related okay so we're gonna go

Brian Atlasaround the table once more uh what is your current relationship status are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polycule sex cult if you're

Helen Zodsingle how long have you been single if you're in a relationship or well if you're in a relationship how long have you been in a relationship and what's your longest relationship go ahead um I am single at the moment I am single

Helen Zodat the moment um I broke up on May and it was only like

Helen Zodalmost around seven eight months and uh longest relationship 14 years

Helen Zodand then after that uh it was way more short like one year six months two years okay um were you married for the yeah for 14

Brian Atlasyears do you have any kids or I do how many kids you have I have two kids 21 and 19. oh wow okay um so you had you had a your first kid

Helen Zodwhen you were 18 19 yeah right around there all right teenage pregnancy it was like I would like two and two one yeah she's 21. and I'm 42. so not

Brian Atlasteenage pregnancy yeah yeah another team she was 21. oh when you were 21 yeah okay and she's 21. the the math system in the U.S is not great you know so I

Brian Atlasfailed um but uh okay so what the the guy you were married to for 14 years is that the one that you had uh kids with yes

Claudiaokay got it uh what about you um I'm currently single but I am talking to someone um so I'm not really that active that I

Claudiahad um I had my tinted account pretty deleted so right um yeah so we'll see where it goes so you're single but you're talking to somebody yeah how long have you been talking to said person uh

Claudialike almost a month and it's going well so okay yeah what would you describe the current situ like would you call it the situationship what you have right now

Claudiaor um no I um I I'm a person that directly talks to them and tells them that um what their plan is um if they're looking for something

Claudiaexclusive or if I'm look what I'm looking for eventually if we feel a connection because then I don't I don't like gray areas and this and I I like to

Claudialook at their emotional maturity if the if they're the type of person that's like I'm not really feeling this or if he's not even open to talking to it and kind of ghosts me then it's like you know I don't want to waste my time but

Claudiayeah so we're we kind of know where we are at pretty much right now and it's going well sure uh what's your longest relationship you've ever had 10 years 10 years were you married

Claudiaum no it was like it was high school sweetheart and then we went to call I went to UCSB so yeah very cool welcome back okay thank you uh okay what about

Amyyou single um on and off so not like a solid chunk of time for being single like yeah oh you're currently and then on again off again no no no not like a situationship but just

Brian Atlaslike you know like sometimes I date sometimes I don't oh so are you currently no I'm single right now okay single right now okay longest relationship three years three

Psyyears and how long have you been single um just for a few months this time around a few months okay what about you

Psyum single not in a rush longest relationship about three years uh three did you say how long you've been single I did not oh how long how

Brian Atlaslong how long have you been single um I think it's about six years now six six years okay you said you're not in a rush but you're 39. yeah I know

Brian Atlasright I'm just having fun you wanna have kids no I don't oh no kids nope okay uh so not in that much of a rush then yeah uh do you have the time to myself for sure have you ever been married nope do

Heidiyou want to get married I don't know yet you don't know yet okay good good times all right what about you um

HeidiI'm currently in the talking stage um and my last relationship was 2019. talking stage how long has the talking stage been going on for you literally

Aubrydays literally days okay so a couple days uh longest relationship one year one year got it uh what about you I'm currently in a relationship and I've been dating my

Aubrycurrent boyfriend for about five years going on six this November oh all right where's that ring is he watching right now

Brian Atlasprobably we're playing Cod one of the two he's either playing Call of Duty or watching this it's okay you know do you want do you want to say it into one of

Aubrythese cameras do you want to say stop playing Cod and watch whatever come on what are you doing what are you doing Brian would it be romantic if he proposed to you in the chat oh that's so cute that's

Brian Atlascute her face I think that might be brilliant what if I told you that he actually hold on I'll wait for him to do it never mind

Brian Atlasdid I just ruin you sorry okay um sorry Rupert I didn't mean to uh throw off your game uh and is this your longest relationship uh yes this is my longest relationship okay uh what about

Nikkiyou I am currently single um last official relationship was about a year ago last guy I was constantly dating about eight months or so yeah longest relationship was five years

Brandonand you said you were most recent one was eight eight months months ago okay yeah all right uh what about you yeah I'm currently single uh my longest

Brandonrelationship was four and a half years and we've we broke up maybe about eight months ago yeah it was me yeah it was her

Brian Atlasand if you don't wreck I don't know did you when you introduced a few people recognize me yes this is Brandon this is Miss champagne Brandon champagne poppy who uh is one of our uh

Brian Atlasvery generous patrons so uh welcome to the podcast sir thank you yes appreciate it Brandon what do you put when you uh in the streamlabs thing do you put your

Brian Atlaslast name too I don't wanna I mean yeah Brandon Mills oh yeah okay I just want my full name okay and welcome welcome yeah all right sweet so uh the first thing that we're gonna talk about and we're gonna just talk we have a lot of

Brian Atlastopics to cover a lot of you sent some pre-show information the first thing really quick uh we should have hit this last show is Ariana Grande uh she I are they getting divorced in any case there

Brian Atlaswas infidelity she's with a new man she was married for uh what one or two years I don't know uh we have some photos of her new partner just

Brian Atlasto give some context here so um she's previously married to Dalton Gomez I believe it's like a realtor it's pathetic that I know these things um it's against your will so this Ariana

Brian AtlasGrande on the right there and then that's Ethan Slater who played SpongeBob on Broadway uh let's just go through some of the more photos just okay so that's her new uh you can't

Brian Atlasreally see it uh that's it's fine it's fine uh or you can just oh there you go there you go okay next buddy buddy next all right there there's okay all right

Brian Atlasnext okay all right maybe video really quick they're really doing it okay next time okay uh yeah next time

Brian Atlasokay okay all right okay yeah next one now okay here we have Mr Ethan Slater

Brian Atlaswith Ariana Grande and her eyebrowser gone I'll know what's going on there but um and then that's Ethan Slater with his

Brian Atlaswife and they just had a kid uh I think I don't know the timeline but they just had a kid it's like a baby so they were both married Ethan Slater the

Brian Atlasthe dude uh he's married with with a newborn and then Ariana Grande also married next one

Brian Atlasokay there's the love triangle I guess next I think this is the last one next one they're filming a show together is this oh that's a wife okay so in any case um

Brian AtlasAriana Grande in my opinion a little bit of a homewrecker a little home wrecker um does anyone here have any reaction to the infidelity on both sides

AmyI don't like her I do have a question though like I guess maybe you're saying it because she it's trending uh for her and her situationships but like he's also a homewrecker

Brian Atlaslike he's doing it too well the difference is is though is he has a kid [Music] but it takes two to tango she's gonna

Brian Atlaswrite it does but are you saying that he's innocent in this no I'm not saying he's innocent he I'm not saying hey he you know he [ __ ] up she didn't pork herself but it is a little like if you

Brian Atlasknow that I do think there's a little bit more blame that can be put on one party not blame in terms of the infidelity happening but who is more

Brian Atlaslike there's more like there's it's it's like a much worse look I think because it's one thing if like okay if you there's degrees to it right like let's say somebody's been with someone for a

Brian Atlasweek and you're the person that comes in and like you know interferes with the relationship I think that's less I still think it's not a good look but I

Brian Atlasthink that's less egregious than if you insert yourself into someone who's been married for 10 years and they have three kids then you're really [ __ ] up like

Brian Atlasnot just there's not the infidelity did I just infidelity component there's the you're now breaking up a family and there's kids involved so I think kind of

Amysame Lions I think they're both responsible but like in Reverse like he definitely has more of a responsibility because he does have a family and he does have a newborn and he does have a wife that he was committed to Etc to be

Amya man and to not allow anything to break his relationship with his wife and to take time away from his child I think he's got the onus of the responsibility frankly although she's not scot-free I mean she's just as guilty I'm just saying like it's if you're gonna you

Brian Atlasknow say she's a homewrecker which I'm not confirming or denyx I don't know he is yeah let me let me clarify I guess what the angle I'm coming from is absolutely like he has to take into consideration he himself has a family

Brian AtlasI'm just saying when it comes to the impact on the other relationship so him cheating with Ariana breaks up a

TTS/Chatone-year marriage Reynolds donated 100 watch Kaiser hat girl's name she looks really innocent and cute you should include her more in the conversation

Brian Atlasuh yeah she was she was more part of it uh in uh our last show but hey thank you Curtis Reynolds the the angle I'm coming from is the impact on the other relationship

Brian Atlasso what he's doing by cheating with Ariana the impact it has on Dalton Gomez they don't have kids together so that's kind of the angle I'm I'm looking at it from I read a story that they uh Dalton

Amyand Ariana broke up before any of that happened is that true I mean I don't know if any of it's true right it's all clickbait but um yeah I mean uh if if what you're I think they're both both responsible that's all okay I mean even

Brandonthen she's done this like three times because when she was with Mac Miller she ended up with Pete Davidson and then Pete Davidson and less than two months he was married to Don Gomez so she has

Nikkithis she does move on pretty fast she moves on that's like a month yeah I'm gonna get married right right right I'm not saying he should do that but go ahead so I have

Claudiasomething really quick to say so I was talking to a colleague about this and um one thing that I re that we started discussing was the fact that she actually what did end up going to

Claudiaum her house when they were going and holding the baby and like having like while she was they were already cheating so to have this like in order to have the psychology to have nowhere more

Claudiaseeing the other the wife holding the child and being able to have an affair with this man um takes a lot of almost narcissism and almost

Claudiaum yeah um I would call her like I I take it with a grain of salt because I have no idea I've never diagnosed her but almost like a narco path in order to have that

Claudiakind of like I'm holding your child I know you and I'm also [ __ ] oh I'm also screwing your husband at the same time and she does already have a behavior pattern where she does

Claudiaum um tend to break up marriages and from that we started discussing that um her mother she's a child of divorce there was emotional dysregulation from the

Claudiabeginning of a child because the divorce does impact the childhood and I have no idea if she got therapy she self-soothed most children don't get itself

TTS/Chatyou'll love your podcast you talk about such great topics I love bringing them to my friends ND having the same discussions in my life death sum queer girls with dumb perspectives you have on

Brian Atlasthe show mum I love when Maddie mocks you ha ha uh Yo Banana deep hey thank you man appreciate the TTS um Maddie's not mocking me she's just like

Brian Atlasmy uh she just copies everything I say she's she's like my mini me but a different race and gender okay um

Claudiauh so okay continue with your point yeah so that so I mean it's just like it seems like like she just has already something there that hasn't been doing

Claudiaand she just has already this Behavior pattern that might continue and she doesn't have you know because she she already knows that she can take a man from a wife so that behavior and no one

Claudiastops her she's she's a celebrity she's the one of those people that say get yes to you're doing fine who cares if you just um destroy someone's life so you know

Claudiait's just going to continue and it's kind of gross yeah it's Disturbing Behavior I'm not going to say close but yeah but the other party I agree is also hit the SpongeBob guy that's enough no

Psyyeah I don't know yeah anyone any other thoughts from anybody on the are we basing this all and we'll get on the news though like behind closed doors something else happens always a story

Psythere so it's so hard to pass judgment especially because they are in front of the camera well always anyway so very limited perspective yeah I agree with that yeah we don't know the whole story

Brian Atlaswho knows what actually happened but in any case it does seem like uh I suspect both their marriages are over and I think Ariana is going to be on to the

Brian Atlasnext guy pretty quick pretty quick so I feel like he's kind of this guy with his wife and his kid he's throwing away his marriage

Psyfor a short fling with Ariana Grande kinda sussy you're so invested in her what do you mean I don't know why is that Sassy I feel like she's single now yeah you're like you're waiting or

Brian Atlassomething she's not gonna be cute if uh

Brian AtlasI'll get with Ariana what's up my DMs are open hey wait why is it why is that sussy he's asking our feedback like so what do we think if I start dating her like what are we

NikkiI have to say the man's the head of the household you're supposed to be protecting your family from things like unwanted Intruders and sometimes you have to protect your family from

Nikkiyourself and your selfishness so is it really Ariana's fault yes well I think it's both people both both people's fault I feel like he had a little bit more of a responsibility to

Nikkisay hey no I'm SpongeBob on Broadway please Ariana Grande leave my family alone he didn't do that because would you yeah look at her thank you next well speaking of thank you next on to our

Brian Atlasnext topic we're going to talk about this Tick Tock kind of went viral recently Mia Khalifa if you can pull that one up Nick speaking of marriage too all right if you can play it for us

Video Playbackwe're comparing stuff girl doesn't know that I am Tom Brady at this game married at 18 divorced to 21. second marriage married at 25 divorced at 28.

Video Playbackthird engagement engaged at 29 ended it at 30 but I kept the ring I'm still keeping Tom Brady on his toes

Video Playbackwe should not be afraid to leave these men we are not stuck with these people marriage is not a sanctimonious thing it is it is paperwork it's something it's

Video Playbackit's it's a commitment you make to someone but if you feel like you're not getting anything from that commitment and you're trying you gotta

Video Playbackgo you gotta go you have to go I know it's difficult to fill out paperwork and to make appointments and to do all of these things but this is your [ __ ] life do you want to be stuck with

Brian Atlassomeone period do you want to be stuck what's up okay we're gonna go around the table uh your thoughts on the video If any and

Helen Zodwe'll go around well I kind of agree with the idea of like we are not supposed to be stuck with the idea of the marriage and then so if it's not

Helen Zodworking you should if one if between parties they're not aligned together I think definitely they should uh you know move apart and get separated but I'm not

Helen ZodI don't think me personally I don't think like we should jump in and get married to someone I think we should like definitely take them for a couple of years and then after five years maybe

Helen Zodif if you really want to like spend like the rest of your life which I I think is nonsense because we evolve if we grow we we are completely different people every

Helen Zodyear every five years and if that person wants to grow with us welcome let's live this journey together and if not then I'll walk on this journey on my own with

Helen Zodsomeone or with someone else hmm

Claudiaum I well I definitely think that um um being um her um I think that she does she's on the she's on the right track that you should

Claudianot stay in a marriage if you're not happy but I do believe her and this is not only inspired wait so if you're not happy you should just leave a marriage wait I have I have

Claudiaa point go ahead um I have a different perspective on marriage of course I for me I was raised with with really strict parents and a really strict Catholic upbringings I

Claudiathink for me marriages forever that's why I'm very choosy when it comes to who I'm gonna end up marrying but um with people that have worked at I just completely just I'm not being an

Claudiaunbiased opinion just from like data just say it um sex workers tend to have ignore their

Claudiaamygdalas for a long time so they Rush on survival mode so for them um their relationships tend to be

Claudiachaotic roller coastery very fun very up there so when they get into that face where that honeymoon the adrenaline the

Claudiaexcitement is over they know that they're gonna move on to something that need that gives them that same excitement if it starts to get slow and

Claudialike kind of mediocre which is a healthy relationship once that honeymoon which that once that adrenaline is gone um you should be you know working through the marriage by spicy things up

Claudiashe has a million of guys that are looking after her of course she's going to divorce them and get that excitement get those butterflies again get that roller coaster feeling again so of

Claudiacourse her marriages don't work because she needs that that like adrenaline that high that stuff again because she's

Claudiastill living off survival it's very hard for sex workers to come off um to feel to heal themselves sometimes and get themselves

Claudiaum back into um emotional regulations but

Claudiaum but it happens and it's the same thing with sex addicts too it's very hard to um because their their core like pleasure has already been bonded in their brain so like it's very hard to

Claudiafind something else that brings them that pleasure you have to be very mentally strong and have to do the work so I think that's why her marriages have been failing and that's it that's me I

Amytotally believe in marriage um I definitely want to get there one day and um I definitely think that you should be wise about who you marry you should take your time to make sure you're making the right decision because

Amyonce you enter into that with somebody I think it should mean something significant and uh you shouldn't give up so easily but at the same time some marriages are warranted to be separated

Psywell I could see that she definitely has a pattern so my question it's more of a question um should marriage be the ultimate goal of any commitment I mean

Psyit's time we talk about relationships all the time maybe there are other modes of being together that does not necessitate getting married such as

Psyforever commitment I mean it's up to the people to Define that and outside of it I thought you're talking like polyamory or something

Heidido you have experience with that I don't none nope okay all right um I think she needs to have a better discernment in choosing a partner

Aubrybecause obviously she's treating um these men as disposable okay I think that's a really great Point um I couldn't disagree more with this video I think that when it comes to the

Aubryhighs and lows of marriage you know not everything's always going to be that the butterflies and the roller coaster and things like that I think that two people are better than one and I believe that together you can really Take On The

AubryWorld a lot better as cheesy as that may sound and for what women lack in men make up in and what men uh lack in women makeup in or you know vice versa I think I might have just said the same thing

Aubrytwice but you understand what I mean um and I think that it's a very ignorant thing to say what she's saying and if she's dating Tom Brady did I hear that she is or was I what she said something about Tom Brady in the video if she's

Aubrytrying to date Tom Brady then Tom Brady can do a lot better and he should go back to his family because men need to be in the home okay I yeah I disagree with Mia Khalifa um

Nikkikind of what with you said she brought the DSM up in the DMS diagnosing and everything but nah no she's saying marriage is not a forever commitment well it is that's why I feel like a lot of people don't realize that they think

Nikkiit's gonna be some some fairy tale and it's not think of how you are as a person and how annoying and lazy and stupid you can be now you're chaining yourself to someone else who's gonna have those ups and downs so you have to

Nikkibe accepting and loving enough to realize crap they're gonna not be perfect all the time neither am I but let's still agree to give ourselves the

Nikkibest of each other and help each other grow into lovely human beings but yeah it's definitely forever should be

Brandonyeah all I would say is I would not take any sort of advice from male Khalifa for relationships why not I don't think anybody should be taking advice from her

Brandonum yeah relationships are hard work so at the end of the day I think the Merit or the goal is marriage um all I gotta say is I'd completely disagree I definitely really know what she's talking about those like couples that

Amyare like you know 40 years in getting advice from them like how do you do it I think those are the cutest stories of like how they made it work like you have to just deal with them yeah they suck sometimes and then they don't and those

Brian Atlasare the times yeah you're not gonna be happy with somebody 24 7. yeah like it doesn't matter well I mean given what

Brian Atlasshe said and granted I she's been Thrice divorced and she's the next sex worker and is very publicly out there on the

SPEAKER_01internet uh however I do think there certainly there's what's up Nick uh maybe she could turn her mic a little bit this way so it doesn't matter

Brian AtlasFacebook by the way okay um I think a lot of women actually kind of agree with her to some degree though about if you're not happy in a marriage

Brian Atlasthen you should leave but you know when you're raising kids I think your personal happiness takes a back seat amen now obviously I don't

Brian Atlasthink that you should stay in a genuinely abusive situation however you're for example uh when you start having kids maybe going out to music festivals and going to the nightclub

Brian Atlasmaybe that takes a back seat maybe you cut that out entirely maybe you previously in the previous life or when you were younger had fun doing those things but now that you have kids that I think that [ __ ] is off the table

Brian Atlaslike your focus should be your kids yeah not hoeing around at a club or bar like no so

Brian Atlasum I don't think that again like if you're in a bad situation you're being abused like yes absolutely leave but if like just I'm not happy

PsyI don't I don't think that's a valid reason to get divorced um from what I'm hearing it almost sounds like

Psybeing a woman depends entirely on being good with motherhood so do we like limit being a woman to that I know it's important yes what do you mean

Psybecause you keep saying oh but the kids the kids first the kids first what about the other aspects of being a woman like her happiness unto herself if she's not fulfilled in her marriage

Psyif she's not if she's empty what is she supposed to um supposed to pour out into loving her kids but is that her husband's responsibility to make her happy it's not that's exactly it's not her husband's

Psyresponsibility it's her responsibility to look for what makes her happy because at some point like when you give and give which is what I see I'm come from a very traditional family and I've seen my mom give and give

Psyyou take a pause and wonder um I take a pause and wonder what could have my mom been if he wasn't you know focused entirely on us and now we have options too okay I take

Psyback options I think people are kind of triggered options right but maybe there's more to being a woman than just purely motherhood

Brian Atlasand well I don't disagree with you I don't think you if you decide you do the calculus on your life and decide hey I don't want to have kids that's fine and I like there's a lot of

Brian Atlaspush I think in certain like more conservative traditional circles to be like you need to have a kid you need to have a kid you need it you need to have a kid and I look granted I do think that there is a

Brian Atlassentiment out there of like hey a lot of people are like not wanting to have kids maybe some of those people are have been misdirected or might be confused but I do think there are people out there who have actually just done a

Brian Atlasself-assessment of themselves and they're like maybe they're just really self-aware and they're like yeah I don't think I'd be a good parent therefore I don't I'm not going to have kids or some people are incapable of having kids

Brian Atlasum so if I I personally don't object to someone if they don't want to have kids I think that's fine but you know teach their own I guess what do you think are valid reasons not to have

Brian Atlaskids what are some valid reasons to not have kids like well I mean it could be a temperamental thing if temperamentally you think you would potentially like if you think you'd be a

TTS/Chatbad parent that's a bad parent how huh about uh dominated 100 yeah I saw once marriage

Amyisn't finding the right person it's becoming the right person I love that yes yeah okay yeah which is kind of just a word sounds like my next tattoo

Brian Atlasit's a new live laugh love I have no tattoos but so to answer your question what what are some reasons why someone shouldn't have kids I mean if if you just think you wouldn't

Brian Atlasbe a good parent or if you genuinely want to for example you think that having children would and there's arguments gets against what I'm about to say but if if you have some

Brian Atlasideal or goal that you're trying to pursue and you think kids would be a detriment to you achieving said goal or said achievement that could be I think that's a valid reason to not have kids of course the counter argument to that

Brian Atlasis well when you're 90 uh and you're on your deathbed or even younger let's say uh you're probably not going to be remembering all those late nights that you spent at work and like those are

Brian Atlasprobably not going to be the cherished moments that you think about but um some people are very achievement driven so that could be a reason and also here's the other thing that a lot of people say well isn't isn't life going to be lonely

Brian Atlasif you don't have kids but having kids doesn't preclude you from having a lonely life either because you could have kids and they could be I think one fear at least for me for example when it comes to having

Brian Atlaskids what if your kid's a [ __ ] up like a degenerate drug addict like you know just aren't you gonna tell them not to do drugs well I mean I think that's a good I

Brian Atlasdon't think that's effective in a lot of cases well I mean well like tell them why like it's gonna ruin your life you're probably gonna be broke do you think that's all do you think that's all it takes to ensure that the child

Brian Atlasdoesn't end up doing drugs no I I of course think growing up in like a a loving household and having uh being raised right can certainly have a very strong contributing factor to the way

Brian Atlasyou turn out however I'm sure like there's people that were raised in otherwise normal households and they still whether they're they still end up uh straying and neither you know crime

Amyor drugs or whatever it may be so you just had somebody on your Show recently I was watching an episode and there was a girl who was like you know raised in like this Christian household and you know had great family values in the whole nine yards and it sounds like she

Amywas a sex worker so you know like it doesn't matter how amazing your parents were how much structure you had sometimes it does the opposite it makes you kind of Rebel because it was so structured so yeah yeah that is true

Aubrythere's I think there's certainly that but Brian can I make a comment about the last thing you were talking about um so when it comes to you mentioned achievement I think ultimate achievement in life would be leaving a legacy that

Aubryyou are proud of not just professionally though it would be with children so to me I guess my question to you I'm sorry I forgot your name would be you mentioned you didn't want to have

Aubrychildren correct okay I guess what is the point of life to you then if you don't want to have children is it just to be here and have a grand old time and then it's all over I mean don't you want

Psyto leave some kind of a impactful legacy that will continue on for generations and generations I would not want it if my legacy is passing on a chronic illness so it's like we are talking

TTS/Chatabout this and it's all external oh hold on a date 9 donated one hundred dollars I know too many young 21 to 23 year old

TTS/Chatmoms that are clubbing hoeing around doing pills it's so sad and disgusting they care more about living their life than enjoying being the mom of their

Brian Atlaschild baby daddies are trash too it's a shame for the child's Yo Banana deep hey thank you for the TTS appreciate it uh yeah I mean there's definitely I I think for both men and women there's definitely a lot of that

Brian Atlasgoing on people uh being absentee parents are just not really giving it the appropriate Focus that it needs um so and let me just trigger this really quick and then we'll come back to you valdiv hey thank you for the 50 appreciate it if you'll want a good

Brian Atlasgiggle go watch Brittany venti's new video hard trolling that old nerd Rolo side note I once saved Brian from a ravenous flock of birds uh this is true

Aubryvaldiv did in fact save me from some Pelicans uh go ahead no so the question is uh what would what would be my legacy you're talking about an illness like passing down an illness yeah what would

Psythe purpose of your life be without leaving a legacy behind you I would go back to just finding out who I'm supposed to be the thing is we focus on the external what about going back

Psyinto the individual like in my experience I have um I have an autoimmune disease that I would not want to pass on right so obviously having kids that's definitely out of the picture because I don't want

Psysomeone else suffering like I do so I need to have a different perspective on how I would enrich my life if you don't mind me asking what is the other mean um it's Hashimoto's thyroiditis that's

Brian Atlasrelated to thyroid yes right okay do you take you take medication to treat this okay and is it it's uh heritable right it is is it like a pretty high chance of

Psypassing it down to your kids or either you pass it on you kind of die giving birth so oh you can say yes it increases your risk of mortality is it uh in childbirth it does yeah do you have

ClaudiaHashimoto's I didn't know that okay I also think that um personally I do watch she already has she's pregnant and she so I have baby fever um

Claudiamy nephew's like my best friend like I absolutely adore him would want anything and I got super baby fever and um but I feel like as a woman there's more than

Claudiagive I I do believe that women can leave a legacy like you can like um like um there's an orphanage in TJ that I that that I really it's it's not mine but I

Claudiaasked one of my ex-boyfriends if he can get it for me because they were gonna shut it down and um that's a big thing for me and also like right now like I'm I'm writing a book on domestic violence

Claudiabecause I think domestic violence is big in my community and it's gonna be in Spanish so that's something that you know if if God doesn't give me children for whatever reason

Claudiaum you know I I know that I'm going to leave something for my community because um you know a lot of them don't believe in therapy or it wasn't big and you know it just wasn't taught to them it was

Claudiajust tough it out don't cry or go to church and that's it you know and so you know there's other ways I believe that you know you can leave a legacy you know but definitely I understand that some

Amywomen you know they have that baby fever and whatever happens happens and there's so many women that can't have kids too that try that do IVF and all these other things that literally just it's not successful so I want to make sure that I honor those women that you do leave a

Aubrylegacy even if you can't have children yes most definitely and that's a great Point autoimmune diseases things of that nature you know unable to have children for some reason 100 yes but if you are of of able to have children I guess that

Aubrywould be in my mind the most important Legacy that a woman who's able to child bear could believe well is your life not worth living because you have an autoimmune disease wait what it is of course but like I

Nikkiwouldn't have to um we were talking about motherhood though yeah so I don't want to have kids you don't want to pass down exactly please well isn't your life still worth living even

Psywith your disease it is that's why I'm going out of my way to enrich my own life not having to focus on motherhood is it our life it kind of sounds like a hard issue just people don't want to have kids because they're selfish no

Helen Zodlike I want to focus on me my own story me me me yeah I don't think like we are here just because we are supposed to leave a like a legacy like how about me

Helen Zodtoday right now in the moment so my my life and my moments is not about what I'm passing to the Future maybe there's no future maybe this is it that's it we're all gonna die and it's end of the

Helen Zodworld so my life is about what is it that I'm doing today and what type of energy and vibration I'm sending out are you saying that women are selfish if they don't have kids okay I'm saying

Nikkipeople who think a good enough reason is oh what kid's gonna get in the way of me doing whatever I want to do to make myself look cool or just to live my life

Helen Zodand not have any responsibility more power to them yeah People's Choice and those people should not like I want to choose to have a kid or not have a kid like we can have

Helen Zodchoose what kind of career we want to have right okay we should be able to choose what kind of Lifestyle we want what kind of marriage we want what kind of relationship we want do we want to have kid or we don't want to have good

Brandonit should be a choice like like we all should have that okay just a quick question with all due respect so if if you didn't have the autoimmune disease would you want to

Psyhave kids um still no why because I would focus on myself I mean I could see Chad here I know yeah so and it's easy to throw around the word

Psyselfish but if you go a little bit in um let's say let's read up a little bit like I think it's worth it to know who you are as a person selfish doesn't have to be a bad thing I know exactly that's

TTS/Chatmy point it's like I applaud everyone for wanting oh sorry I found this called guy underscore in underscore Canada donated 99

TTS/Chatafter 25 years I learned the wedding is not the end of the journey but the start if you look at your partner and don't

Brian Atlassee your best friend don't get married I have a couple more points on marriage but you wanted to continue with your point

Psyokay my train of thought oh not getting not having kids even if I didn't have yeah I know what I mean disease oh okay focusing on on myself while in general focusing on individual

Psyas I was saying you know you guys I love hearing that you want to contribute to community right outwards but I feel there is Merit to getting to know who

Psyyou are as a person finding that out first before you know doing a lot of external stuff like how am I supposed to help my uh how am I supposed to help others

Aubryif I don't know who I am exactly if I don't know what I could bring to the table but don't you think you can learn a lot about yourself by being a mother but most of the mothers that I know

Aubrythey're like born-again people they are like have completely found themselves I frankly do think that it is selfish of women who are of childbearing age and are able to do so who choose not to have

Aubrychildren I do think that that's selfish not in your case I do completely understand where you're coming from but I I do think it's selfish but why am I definitely girl boss and I get it but at the same time like oh you know what I

Nikkithink we were sold this live like yeah do whatever men can do rise up the ranks in the corporate ladder and all that and I'm like why is everyone so unhappy like it doesn't really make sense yeah it creates a much bigger problem because we're facing a huge population decline

Aubrythat's absolutely rapidly declining we will not continue on as a species in the way that we have known it so far if women continue to choose to just be boss babes all the time they're not mutually

Helen Zodexclusive you can go and have a career and then have children as well you can do both things that you can do it yeah but but having a choice of being a boss babe but what it has anything to do with having a kid or not yeah it's like two

Helen Zoddifferent that's what I mean yeah you don't have to do it together let's say I'm a boss but your personal matter having a baby bringing a baby to this world is completely another like a

Amydifferent aspect of your life so it has nothing to do with like together yeah I definitely want to say like I would encourage you guys to refrain from being so General about like all women are selfish if they don't have kids because

Amythere's so many reasons selfless reasons why women don't have kids I was in the Army for 16 years as an example and so you know I did that for the bulk of my career and there's so many women flying

Amyplanes diffusing bombs you know there's a lot of examples of why a woman would choose service or a lot of other factors over having children so women are not just on the earth to be baby makers

Amyum when there's women that can't have kids that you know prefer themselves uh you know their their well-being their happiness whatever genetic things whatever you know so I think I would just encourage you to lean in there and like not generalize all women as selfish

Nikkichoose not to have kids I'm including both sexes by the way not just not just women yeah either way but also you have a good point saying like you were in the Army for 16 years that makes sense why you didn't have a kid but the essence of

Nikkibeing unselfish is you dedicating yourself to this country so it's the same idea it's not with a child but you are still giving up what you can to serve other people so actually adding

Nikkipeople to the planet is serving that's not what I said wait because you said serving other people like so you're you're putting in your time and your effort and you are serving people and

Nikkiyou chose to do it in the Army which is really great other people do that and they choose to add to society by having a child that they raise up to be like a good helpful human being yeah there's a

Amylot of women that should have that have no business having kids too no business of course there's a lot of people why are we just saying women guys there's some there's some inclusion of kids men cannot push out children but I think oh yeah I care for children the bulk of the

Amyum the conversation has been about like because you guys said that women are selfish if they don't have kids uh by choice and not women both genders okay I think I might have said that but yes it would somebody said

Claudiait that's why that's why that's why I'm reacting to it but yeah so I yeah I definitely think that um by making it like an intelligent Choice she she said I don't want to have kids and she has a

TTS/Chatreason but I think that with some women say I don't know hold on 100 personally I wouldn't want to see people forced into having and raising children

TTS/Chatwho are fully committed in doing so we have enough messed up people in this world we don't need to add more

Brian Atlasokay you have a son okay okay that was a plot twist okay so um so as I was saying um there's

Claudiadefinitely some people that some women that haven't made that like choice where they don't that where they're not financially ready mentally capable or

Claudiaeven have the empathy to be mothers and they still have children and then we have them um when I was younger they have as like

Claudiacaseworkers we they have like you know they bring these mothers in and it's chaos what the the cruelty the negligence the abandonment that these

Claudiapeople do to these kids is traumatizing even to me I don't work with children because of that reason is because I can see what these mothers do

Claudiaso I think that in order to do that I think that it should be more of an intelligent choice that some mothers should not have children that because they just can't be my proper mothers

Claudiabecause they're they have you know whatever mental illness mood disorders personality disorders or whatever and they are actually causing more being

Claudiamore um harm than they're causing good good to the children and I do have some friends that you know they decided to climb the Corp the corporate ladder and good for them I personally do want

Claudiachildren and that but that's my choice and do I think I'm capable yes I am I'm ready for kids and this is something I you know that I hope it's gonna happen to because I know how old I am now but

Claudiayou know what I mean but I definitely think that not all women should be mothers for sure not mothers because of the cruelty that they can do to these kids and it can happen

TTS/Chatin one minute and they have destroyed these children's lives and to heal from that it it maybe never inseminated 99. Oh thanks thank you our decisions a lot of

TTS/Chatkids is not always a selfish decision raising kids is extremely expensive nowadays when drinking the rising costs of living it takes longer for men to be financially stable so how can you say

Brian Atlasit's selfish you're stupid hey Alvin Sam much appreciated thank you for the TTS thank you man um I have a take on the marriage thing uh so I actually think now this is a

Brian Atlasdifferent conversation than having kids because you can have kids with someone not be married with them you can have a long-term relationship you can have a lifelong relationship with someone and not be married I don't think men should get married

AmyI'll take just wait so just women should marry each other

Amytell me more Brian as why not well let's unpack that together well okay no trauma dumping I I'm a man so I'm speaking kind of on behalf of men

Helen ZodI don't think men should get married because of the financial ramifications of divorce well that's a prenups are for yeah prenups constantly get thrown out what about women who make more money than men

Helen Zodwhen the man comes after you there's a lot of women that make more money I know lots of women financially responsible to pay demand you know a lot of women that are yeah well it is it is changing a

Brian Atlaslittle bit I have done that myself you you said you hold on let's let's talk about your situation you were married for 14 years correct uh I did not work when I was married oh zero and

Helen Zodthen two years after my divorce he opened the case for child support list and then and then uh because um I kind of have like an interesting life

Helen Zodstory and over like within a year I became like uh over a year like I had companies that they were making multi-million dollars and then when he found out that I'm making money he came after me he opened the case and then

Helen Zodquality yeah um wait it's okay uh hold on you were how long are you still paying alimony no after they were 18 years old