Candace Owens DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! | Dating Talk #98

Date: 2023-09-08

Duration: 4h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

PPixie (DT130)>

OOlivia Bentley >

CCandace Owens >

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pixie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Candace Owens(guest)

SPEAKER_07Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_08Olivia Bentley(guest)

SPEAKER_09Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_10Aelia(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteCandace Owens introduction and documentary pitch

“Candace introduces herself as 'a wife, a mother first' and political commentator. Discusses 'Convicting a Murderer' 10-part Daily Wire documentary releasing next day on X.”

ControversyCandace calls Shakshuka TikTok woman a 'selfish bitch'

“After panel reacts to viral childless-Saturday TikTok, Candace says the woman is 'a selfish bitch and men should not marry her' — the panel pushes back.”

QuoteOlivia Bentley: working body count in thousands

“Olivia: 'I'm thinking it's probably in the thousands at this point.' Did 10 clients/day at peak at Bunny Ranch; called herself 'the Energizer Bunny.'”

QuoteCandace introduces 'hoflation' concept

“Candace credits Paul Joseph Watson's 'hoflation' concept: men now work harder to obtain lower-value women, compared to grandparents' era.”

QuoteCandace's final remarks on trans identity

“Candace: 'If you are a man and having sex with a man, irrespective of how you feel or whether you've mutilated your body... two men coming together to have sex with their appendices intact is homosexual sex.'”

ControversyLexi rejects Candace's prayer offer

“Candace tells Lexi she will say a prayer for her; Lexi says on-air: 'I am rejecting your prayer.' Candace says she'll say it anyway.”

OtherCandace Owens departs mid-show

“Candace leaves at ~1:47 to catch a flight. Brian announces Madison will take her seat. Prior to leaving, she offered Lexi a prayer; Lexi rejected it on-air.”

QuoteCandace says she's 'fascinated by hoes'

“Candace: 'I am absolutely fascinated by the ho mind works, the way the ho hive works.' Addresses panel directly, says she hopes she's been respectful.”

QuoteOlivia Bentley muscle worship session description

“Olivia describes being asked to do a 'muscle worship Dom session' where she 'beat him up and licked his veins.' Shows flex in show; panel reacts.”

QuoteTara asks Brian about Andrew Tate and marriage openness

“Tara references Candace Owens' interview with Andrew Tate where he said he's now open to marriage. Asks Brian if he's similarly persuadable; Brian gives extended anti-marriage argument citing Kevin Costner prenup failure.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and guest backgrounds

Brian introduces panel; each guest states name, age, occupation. Includes Candace Owens discussing 'Convicting a Murderer' documentary releasing next day.

Relationship status and political views round

Panel goes around sharing relationship status, longest relationship, time single. Then political affiliations (liberal/progressive/conservative/moderate).

Viral 'Shakshuka' TikTok reaction

Panel reacts to viral Matt Walsh-shared video of 29yo woman celebrating childless Saturday. Candace Owens calls her a 'selfish bitch'; debate on whether the video is self-empowerment or narcissism.

Would you date a sex worker / men's standards for partners

Brian states he would not date a sex worker. Panel debates double standards. Discussion of whether subscribing to OF is equivalent to sex work.

Causes of sexual promiscuity and sex education

Pixie and Candace debate whether sex education increases or decreases promiscuity. Candace cites Thomas Sowell and 1970s data; Pixie argues abstinence-only backfires. Discussion of 'hoflation' concept (Paul Joseph Watson). Lexi defends sex work culture.

Candace Owens vs. panel on conservative values

Candace debates sex workers on LBJ / welfare state effects on dating market. Passport bro movement. How to raise daughters differently. Final questions before Candace departs at ~1:47.

Trans dating, gender identity, what is a woman

Would you date a trans person? Is it gay to date a trans woman? What defines 'woman'? Debate between Candace (binary), Pixie (spectrum), Aelia, Tara. Michigan misgendering felony bill discussed.

Olivia Bentley: sex work details and intimacy coaching

Olivia describes muscle worship Dom sessions, Bunny Ranch career, client volume (thousands). Panel questions on sleeping with unattractive clients, repeat clients, $100k client.

Brian's views on marriage and prenups

Tara asks Brian about Andrew Tate changing his mind on marriage. Brian explains opposition: divorce financial risk, alimony, prenups not ironclad (Kevin Costner example). Panel debate on whether picking right partner mitigates risk.

Supply and demand of sex work / men's role

Whether men create demand for sex work. Aelia argues men could end it via solidarity but won't. Debate on parasocial appeal of OnlyFans vs. free porn.

Partner type preferences round

Brian guesses each guest's ideal male type. Aelia: gentle gamer/nerdy. Essie: tatted, emotionally unavailable (reformed). Pixie: hipster/emo/intellectual. Lily: reformed frat boys. Madison: Cowboys/nice white guys with curly hair. Brian's type discussed: short, light eyes, alternative/colored hair.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Lexi: <10 civilian; Aelia: stopped counting at ~5; Essie: 6; Tara: declined (parents watching, answered in prior episodes); Pixie: declined; Madison: declined; Lily: not captured. Olivia: thousands (working).

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswelcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that we are coming to you live from Santa Barbara California every

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Brian Atlaswe got I'm a little uh a little befuddled there anyways uh without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves one more time so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead uh my name is aelia

LexiI'm 31 and I'm a flight attendant and content creator what kind of uh content do you Twitch streaming only fans and yeah all right what about you my name is

LexiLexi I am 22 years old and I'm a full-time sex worker okay and when you sex fork or what do you what do you mean um I do content creating like on only

Lexifans as well as stripping at strip clubs and I work as a legal cortison in Nevada

Brian Atlasa cortis legal prostitute okay so is there have you ever been to a court like not not like uh for criminal reasons but

Brian Atlaslike a have you ever no no no but like Corazon you know I mean there's there's still Kings out out there that have a court so you could like the Philippines

Brian Atlasdo they have a king do you know I don't think the Phil there's some Kings out there there's the king of Sweden king of so like an actual you know

PixieCourt cortis okay all right she's a corisan folks okay uh what about you illegal prostitute that's the term for

Pixieit okay hi my name is Pixie I'm 24 years old and I stream Politics on Twitch all right welcome

Essieback um I'm Essie I'm 24 um I have two jobs um my passion is social media management and then I do only fans as well hey there I'm Olivia Bentley and I

Olivia Bentleyam an intimacy coach I am a legal sex worker and I am an only fans content

Taracreator did you say age 46 46 okay got it hi I'm Tara I'm 22 years old and I'm

Lilyan EEG technician and research assistant in the field of clinical Neuroscience I'm Lily I'm 23 years old and I'm a couple of things I'm a student

Lilyat Belmont I'm graduating soon and I'm a personal trainer and my goal is to be a worship artist got to make money though I am Candace Owens I'm a wife I'm

Candace Owensa mother first and I also obviously have a political podcast documentary filmmaker uh and I just create a ton of content regarding what's going on in the

Brian Atlasmedia landscape sweet and you have tomorrow uh a documentary coming soon yes convicting a murderer very excited about that um what what time does it drop um you can watch it live on X

Candace Owenstomorrow night so we're super excited about that it also will be available on dailywire plus the first two episodes will be free and yeah it's jumping into kind of building on Netflix made making a murderer made it seem as if stepen ay

Candace Owenswas guilty I don't know if you guys watched that um it was very everyone was obsessed with this idea that the justice system got it wrong we kind of went in reexamined the case and created convicting a murderer which is a 10-part

Candace Owensseries first docu series I think we've ever done at the daily wire um extremely proud of it it's apolitical first and foremost and um it's you know it's been a labor of love so I'm super excited to bring it to everybody and to change

Brian Atlaspeople's minds about what they thought they originally knew about the case so yeah and you went if I you went boots on the ground in what is it men toalk

Candace OwensCounty went to stepen Avery's um the junkyard junkyard yep and yeah just I like to get my hands dirty in terms of really understanding what's going on and talking to people in the town and seeing

Candace Owenshow they are impacted because for us we scroll through our cell phones aimlessly and we comment on these cases but real lives are impacted when something goes viral and especially when something goes viral and produces the wrong answer

Candace Owenslives can be destroyed and in this particular circumstance you have a man and his nephew that are in prison and they get love letters and they got fiances and adoring fans and people writing songs about them and that's all because Netflix was able to produce a

Candace Owensdocu series and people believe that everything they watch is real and so I'm really interested in dissecting and the deceptive media narrative in a bunch of different circumstances just you know what they're feeding people what people

Candace Owensthink is the norm what people think will bring them happiness what people think is true and so that's kind of been my shtick so to speak for the last years I I remember uh seeing making a murder when it came out I think it was 2015

Brian Atlascorrect uh and then they came out with like a part two a couple years later and basically my understanding is your documentary is saying n he did that [ __ ] is that about and that's the most

Brian Atlaseloquent way to put it I mean there's obviously you go you you would go into some details and you've reanalyzed the the court footage and the documents and um yeah just showing people what they didn't want you to see essentially

Candace Owensbecause when when people decide in a narrative the media gets fully behind it it's a full court effort it's supported by the usual pundits and suspects Alec Baldwin got behind the Steven Avery inocent train nobody thought about the

Candace Owenswoman who actually was killed and murdered Trevor Noah got behind it you know I I kind of say anything that goes from Netflix to Alec Baldwin to Trevor Noah you should immediately have your radar up and just go am I hearing the truth or am I listening to propaganda

Candace Owensand I'm fascinated by the impact of propaganda I've been impacted by Propaganda you know I'm obviously a person that started with liberal tendencies I think everyone knows that part of my story I was uh left leaning

Candace Owensso to speak and now I'm super conservative so it's right on par with everything that I do and everything that I've learned in my life about you know not just accepting what the media is

Brian Atlastrying to spoon feed you what one question so and I don't know if you want to save some of this for what's in the actual documentary but uh what would you say is like the most egregious thing

Brian Atlasmaking a murderer did that they just either something that was deceptive or or something that was omitted if there's one thing that was just the mo the biggest Smoking Gun or yeah well I think I can definitely tell you this cuz this will be within the next 24 hours people

Candace Owenswill be able to see this um but just skipping over who he was before he they believed was wrongly convicted of this murder people tend to tell you who they are early on and a person that's

Candace Owenstorturing animals and cats and dogs and you know in a relationship that is you know with a minor who's crying and talking about that you know he just had

Candace Owensa very long thick packet of crimes that they decided not to mention or to entirely diminish and make it seem like oh that was nothing yeah so what he threw a cat in the fire and dowed it in gasoline the family pet not normal

Candace Owensbehavior not something that we do when we have a couple of drinks um and they I think that was kind of the most egregious thing really unpacking everything that they chose to leave out about who he was C can I make a pitch to

Brian Atlasyou and to the Daily wire for the next docu documentary can you guys look into the Tiger King could you guys maybe Matt put Matt Walsh and Michael nolles on it oh my God

Candace OwensMatt Walsh and the Tiger King needs to happen I'm I'm fully behind you on this pitch yes I will bring this to the right people who can make the right decisions please can I get like a little special thanks in the

Candace OwensU Matt Walsh and the Tiger King is irresistible yeah who is that do you think that' be Matt Walsh would be the best at the daily wire to tackle the yes okay there's just something about the fact that Matt's a cat and he always

Candace Owenskind of gives you the he doesn't want to be there and he just has to kind of lecture us all like he's like the classic dad that I just find him to be so funny even when he's not trying to be funny okay yeah nice nice cool well

Brian Atlaswe're we'll go around the table once more so what is your everybody's current relationship status so are you single are you in a talking stage situationship

Brian AtlasFriends with Benefits relationship married polycule are you in whatever maybe uh so if you're single how long have you been single and what's your longest relationship starting with you go ahead

Aeliaum I'm in a relationship I have been for about a year and a half and my longest relationship is 2 years okay I am

Lexisingle and my longest relationship was probably about four years how long have you been single um I've been single for

Pixieabout I want to say a year now okay I I'm single um my longest relationship was like around 3 to 4

Essieyears and I've been single since like February around there okay um single um I've been single for six years almost now

Brian Atlasso since you were pretty much 18 you've been single right okay gotcha did you have like a high school boyfriend or anything like that or yeah I think I dated two guys in high school

Olivia Bentleybut it was very at the same time no separately okay okay gotcha what about you so I just got out of a relationship of 6 months with a federal agent and I

Olivia Bentleyam single ready Domingo federal agent yeah CIA FBI oh Coast Guard oh wait that's not it never mind federal agent

Brian Atlasum down in Texas so yeah got it um and what's your longest relationship you've ever had um I would say seven years seven years

Tarawere were you married or I was okay gotta all right I'm currently single my longest relationship was a little over a year and I've been single for about one

Lilyyear um I just started talking to somebody a couple weeks ago but I guess I'm single and my longest relationship was about 3 years wait sorry you you just started

Lilytalking to somebody but you're I'm I've been single since February 2022 and so this this is It's really fresh I would still consider myself single it's early on okay uh Candace I'm

Candace Owensmarried I'm married third child on the way third child will be here in 10 weeks oh you're pregnant right now yes are you kidding me very pregnant right now okay it's good of you not to assume right

Brian Atlasyeah I get in trouble I don't want yeah I don't want to get into any trouble um you're how far along 30 weeks 30 oh wow okay yeah any thoughts on is it a a boy girl thoughts on whether it's a boy no I

Candace Owenshave a logical understanding that it's a boy um no I I didn't mean it that way thoughts out of it yeah it's definitively a boy and uh I have one boy

Candace Owensalready at home who's two and I have a little girl that's one so we're on the back to I basic been pregnant for three years so this is kind of my permanent State at the moment well I mean it's

Brian Atlasyeah congrats and it's certainly impressive that you still uh are you're working like crazy and uh yeah well otherwise you'll just drive yourself crazy

Brian Atlasyeah sweet um and how long have you been married for four years four years gotcha okay and you you said um earlier on that

Brian Atlasyou used to be kind of left leaning or super definitely left leaning yeah which I think no no there's no there's no old photos that are going to surface of me

Candace Owensin a [ __ ] hat screaming about aborting my children I'm safe in that regard but um I mean I would say uh I was definitely on the left held liberal perspectives which I think is actually

Candace Owensreally normal when you're young I think when you're young you kind of associate liberalism with freedom and you're like well I mean even the word sounds better to be a liberal than to be a conservative um so I I think that that's why they have that quote that if you're

Candace Owensnot a liberal when you're young you don't have a heart if you're not a conservative when you're older you don't have a brain so it turns out I had a heart and I do have a brain uh so now I'm a conservative and um but I'm I'm

Candace Owensactually happy that I used to be a liberal because I I think I understand why people gravitate toward it and it helps me better able to communicate to

Brian Atlaspeople because I can understand where they're at beond it and since uh we I feel like politics is s sort of related to dating because obviously you want I

Brian Atlasassume most people want to date and partner with someone who has shared values so let's go around the table what's everybody's politics would you consider yourself let's say liberal moderate

Aeliaconservative apolitical I mean I guess I would have liberal stances or what people would call liberal stances I don't like to call myself a liberal but that would be where I guess Progressive put me

AeliaProgressive would be a good word for it yeah

Essieokay I guess liberal okay we're liberal I consider myself a progressive okay I would say I'm as an

Essieindependent where it's like in between but kind of more so leaning right just based off of how I

Brian Atlaswas raised how were you raised super conservative super uh religious okay so so maybe moderate politically maybe are there some things you're a bit more uh

Olivia BentleyProgressive on other things are bit more conservative on okay what about you so when I started out um in my early 20s I can relate to Candace I was a little bit more um on the left and then as time has

Olivia Bentleygone on and I've I've worked real jobs and I've been out in the real world I'm more to the right I am independent and I don't like our two-party system I think

Tarait's failed um but I would say I lean more to the right okay I was raised very liberal but um found myself becoming more conservative especially over the past three years but

LilyI wouldn't fully call myself a conservative yet I would just say I'm still sent interest good place to be um same I used to be pretty liberal but I am very very

Brian Atlasconservative oh you already answered okay okay cool all right uh so I have a first question here

Brian Atlasso I'm trying to hold on I'm seen where I want to start here actually wait we had we had one chat come in I'll just read it while we have it goodness boy thank you for being on the show Candace but the world is effed can already tell from the panel that your views will not

Brian Atlaschange their Outlook Never Say Never Brian you could be an amazing scoper just saying I've had a couple accusations that this show is a scop oh my God by the CIA believe it or not I've

Brian Atlashad a couple so you have any show that is an accusation that you get have you had oh my God yeah you just fix Candace Owens Show is a sop by who though who's

Brian Atlaswho is scop okay uh but uh goodest boy thank you very much much for that and then we had a uh we had a couple we had this one seven deadly simps donated $200

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Candace Owens777777 welcome to the whatever podcast um uh so your thoughts on Proverbs 2119 I like that we just jumped right into the Bible that's awesome yeah there you

Candace Owensgo um I would say yeah you should aspire to marry the right person definitely okay without question you should aspire to marry the right person and and and part of that is making sure that when

Candace Owensyou're dating you're dating somebody of value and that also when you're considering looking for someone of value you also take a second to measure yourself and see if you are a person of value that's worthy of marrying because

Brian AtlasI think people forget that part um and I that's almost the most important part got it so recently uh a video went pretty viral on the internet and Candace you actually tweeted about it something

Brian Atlasabout Shuka I don't know if I'm saying that right um so Nick if you can pull video we're going to just have the panel react to it and then before you go full screen on that so Matt Walsh posted it and I saw this everywhere I saw it

Brian Atlasyesterday uh her life doesn't revolve around her family and kids so instead it revolves around TV shows and pop stars worst of all she's too stupid to realize how depressing this is and then Candice

Brian Atlasuh quote exit quote tweeted I don't know anymore he okay quote exit this is what this is what was future wait this is what

Brian Atlaswhat a future this is what a future sorry uh future depressions NX and wine combo nights alone looks like but hey the Shuka going to be amazing um so

Kikilet's play the video Nick if you can go full screen on it and then we'll get the penel reaction wine nights it's 10:4 Saturday I'm 29 and single and I don't have kids yet here's what your Saturday

Kikimorning looks like when you're sing at 29 and you don't have a kid running around the house I didn't rise from my bed until 10:15 every time I thought I should probably get up and do something I thought why nobody's making me and I'm

Kikinot missing out on anything I went to Beyonce last night and I didn't get home until 1:00 a.m. and I danced and drank my little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids as I did that and I woke up at Tad hung over this morning which is probably why I was in

Kikibed for so long and I was just scrolling on my phone and I saw a picture of shakshuka and I thought you know what sounds really good maybe I'm going to learn how to make make shakshuka today cuz I have no plans and I don't have kids and I don't have a husband and I

Kikidon't have errands to run I can go to the grocery store and learn how to make shakshuka so that's on my agenda today also on my agenda probably a rewatch of some Real Housewives of New York I'm also doing a rewatch of normal people on Hulu which is really spicy and I highly

Kikirecommend weirdly I'm into this documentary on Netflix about Blue Zone countries so I've got a pretty stacked day anyway I say all this to say whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married and I don't have kids

Kikiand I should be further along at 29 almost 30 I wouldn't want to do anything else this Saturday and I know that you can do all these things when you have kids and you're married and I understand

Kikibut the effortlessness and ease of my life just kind of focusing on myself and the Shak shuk I want to make or the Beyonce concert I want to go to really pays off when I'm hard on myself for not

Brian Atlasbeing where Society tells me I should be in life I thought thought it was going to be really her going sha sh sh so um what why do you guys think that

Aeliathis video went kind of crazy viral and what what's the analysis here I mean it went crazy viral because Matt Walsh tweeted it let's be real that would have just gone into the ethosphere on Tik Tok

Brian Atlasand no one would have talked about it had he not picked that up and tweeted it well was Matt I don't know if Matt was was like the first person oh was he really okay I didn't I didn't know that

Aeliabut I guess my what's interesting to me is that this woman has actually even said you know she gives herself a hard time she wants to be married she wants to have children so I don't think that it's right to demonize her and act like

Aeliashe's going to have a depressing life when she just hasn't found the right person because clearly she wants those things and she's trying to make herself feel better and other people in that Community feel better about not being that far along because like you said you

Aeliawanted people to settle down with the right person take their time figure out if that's the right person so just cuz she's 29 you're saying that it's like too late for her and she's going to be doing Xanax and drinking wine at night because she hasn't reached that point yet I didn't say that that's not my

Candace Owenstweet said that's my TW you said the future yeah because she's obviously a narcissist right so like isue first and foremost let's not let's not pretend this is one video that she made it's her brand on Tik Tok it's her brand on

Candace Owenssocial media she talks about these These are this community known as dinks we're happy and we're childless she talks about how great it is to be childless so she has developed a she's a social media influencer that talks about childlessness so let's not pretend this is one woman making a video who just

Candace Owenssaid oh I had a great Saturday there's absolutely no reason if you had a great Saturday at 29 years old and you learned to make shash Shuka and you slept in at 11: until 11:15 or 10 15 whatever she said that you need to bring up children there absolutely no reason

Candace Owensyou just say here's what I did today I laid in all day I did this I did that the fact that she has to correlate it to saying and this somehow makes me better than people that have children is the problem she started she she literally

Candace Owensgoes on to talk about not having children it wasn't necessary in this video so it's not like people are just shaming single women on the internet you could go on right now and talk about what you've done all day and there's no reason to bring up but you know having a CH having a child or not she's actually

Candace Owensdoing the shaming and now we're trying to pretend that she's the victim she's not she has a brand where she talks about childlessness and she talks about leaning into selfishness and all the things that are amazing about not having children again this is not the first

Candace Owensvideo that she's produced so the reason why and if you're a man watching this don't marry this woman she's basically telling you she's selfish she's telling you she's a narcissist everything she says is about me me me me even if you're single you don't have to make your whole

Candace Owensday revolve around you you don't have to you can get up in the morning you can go help others you can do other things you can say now that I have free time as a single woman I can go dedicate time to the church I can sing I can do this I

Candace Owenscan help people find God that particular woman that you just looked at is a selfish [ __ ] and men shouldn't should men should not marry her that's my personal opinion you wanted to come in really quick yes I wanted to answer your question real quick as to you said why

Lexiit went viral I think it went viral because it's like nowadays it's like it's relatable in our day and age

Lexiyou know what I mean like 22 23 years old I don't know how old this girl is but like 29 29 or whatever but in my day and age like it's relatable to be like

Lexihaha we don't got kids like quot [ __ ] them kids you know what I mean it's like I'm glad you're admitting that it's like that it's like a term that people use you know what I mean and it's like it's

Lexijust relatable like that's why it gets so many views is what to answer your question I think that's really honest of you to say that you wanted to come in go them kids yeah no I said I was what they say yeah but

Candace Owensyou're admitting that that so that she's starting the fight you're looking at people that are mom that are TR I don't when I when I'm with my kids I don't post videos and say F them single chicks

Candace Owenswith no kids she did the baiting okay and we responded that's it first I say hold on let's just let go ahead go the first thing I noticed about the video was that she was putting people with kids down it'd be fine if she was

Essietalking about how her day was and sporting it differently but it seemed like almost immediately from the beginning of the video that she was belittling people with kids which I think is like the part of the problem pixie go ahead yeah no I think this is like up to interpretation because

Pixiepersonally when I saw that video my interpretation was like oh she's putting herself down because she's saying like oh you know when I tell myself why am I not further along in life you know it's okay because at least I'm enjoying these things so I could definitely see like

Pixiedepending on how you're looking at it or if you have further context why you would think she's putting kids down but when I saw that video by itself I was thinking like people are kind of going a little bit overboard in the sense that she says she's being harsh on herself

Pixieshe doesn't have children and these are just the things that have made her happy today and I don't think that by itself without additional context is inherently wrong anybody Tara did you yeah did I

Tarasay it right this time yeah okay okay I mean I don't know the background of what other typ typ of content and messaging she puts out but just from that video alone I don't think I it she ever to me I never got the impression she was

Tarashaming people that did that women that were married our kids it felt like she felt bad that she wasn't already there and she was just trying to be optimistic about it and so I think it sounded more like her content was about making women

Tarawho are childless and not married yet and are approaching the end of their repr protective years to like look on the bright side but I really and I'm I'm the I all my friends know I'm like like

Taraso eager and ready for like marriage and kids but um I I really honestly just didn't get that impression from that video loan that it was she was in any way so when she was talking about I got to go to a Beyonce concert and I didn't have to pay for a babysitter you don't

Candace Owensthink that was obvious her to say that yeah she sound selfish and she was being rude and if if it was flipped and a conservative woman with children said the opposite of that to single women it blow it would blow up and they would say how Rudee of

Candace Owensyou to why are you even mentioning single women just say you had you had a good day with your kids that's fine if I I woke up my kids did that okay chill why are you correlating it to Children it doesn't you know doesn't make any sense so and like I said she's produced

Candace Owensmore content so that the context is important she's leaned into this as a brand and as an influencer so you know then you're going to expect the people that influence people to have families to respond Matt Walsh being among them

Candace Owensme being among them and I do would like to again warn men against marrying a woman who holds those sorts of perspectives because she's ultimately just selfish like I said you can have a day and you can be single you don't have

Candace Owensto dedicate your whole it's me me me me narcissist me here's what I did for me it's just not a woman that you want to marry full stop for leaving apart leave leaving the kids totally separate from it I wouldn't marry a woman like that go

Lexiahead you all saying is like it is it's sad but it's crazy that like it's a trend you know what I mean like that's why they're getting so many views on Tik Tok or Instagram or whatever they're

Lexiposting these things on it's like it's a trend and yeah you know it's crazy just show show of hands who here wants to have kids one day more yeah it's my

Brian Atlasthird but besides Candace does anyone here have kids I you got kids how many I have um a son he's 21 okay gotcha he perfect

Olivia Bentleyand I'm good okay but one thing I noticed um a trend like I agree that it's a trend and and she's doing that to Brand herself and and go viral and get a lot of attention and maybe monetize that

Olivia Bentleyum when I talk with other girls and they're younger and I'll say are you married are you are you planning on having children sometimes that's a hot button for them and it's maybe perhaps

Olivia Bentleyyou know these kind of Trends are like the re it's a rebellious thing because sometimes it's expected for for people to to get married out of the gate and have children and that kind of traditional lifestyle if it's an

Olivia Bentleyexpectation that parents have that they put on on their children and younger Generations aren't having it especially these days when it's so hard to I mean it's so expensive people are having to work a lot you know I mean that's just

Olivia Bentleyone thing I've noticed a little push back on that question even when I ask it and and I love children gotcha and did I don't recall if you had a response to Candice or I mean I was just going to

Aeliasay the opposite content does exist and I would say that it's more prevalent and usually there's more of it than there is the opposite and whatever Community she wants to represent I think that somebody is single and obviously like I said she

Aeliaclosed out the video saying I know that women that are married and have children can do all of these things as well but this is what makes me feel better because I'm not that far along and I think if she's giving comfort and Solace to women that want to be in that position and aren't quite there yet

Candace Owenswhether you took it that way or not I think that that's okay I don't think anything that she did in there was meant to be charitable it was all about her so I mean just a different inter different interpretation but I'm just happy that you were honest and admitted that it is

Candace Owensbecoming trendy to put down women like yeah yeah and but by the way speaking to what you were saying about it being an act of rebellion I used to be a feminist if you had found me you're 22 right found me at 22 I would have probably had

Candace Owensthe same perspectives as you about family it is something different and you will realize that when it's someone that's 29 years old in saying that it's not the same intention it's not I'm young I'm free I'm wild and I think I'm going to live forever um what she's

Candace Owensdoing is something different and also just recently today actually uh Emily Emma Emma Ro chowski came out with a quote about I think getting divorced before you're 30 is Chic that's

Candace Owenssomething else and that a woman at 22 a woman at 29 saying something that is appropriate when you're at 21 or 22 it's a little different and she knew what she was doing it was intentional and like I said if you look into her content this

Candace Owensis not some innocent woman that was posting just to boost herself up on the Internet she's trying to get clicks she's trying to get views and she got them for Better or For Worse I want to

Brian Atlasuh come back a little bit now to people's uh relationship status so uh or not even so much relationship status but

Olivia Bentleyperhaps it's related um so both of you do uh Court courtship sex work cortison

Olivia Bentleyctis that's um an old fashioned historical term okay back in the day cortison were able to um own property whereas the Little Miss didn't have that

Olivia Bentleyability the way the laws were written back in the day of ancient years um like the wife was tolerized and and then the cortison were able to go and attend the

Brian Atlasmeetings with the politicians and the business owners and actually State their case and be influential but okay so I'm just trying to differentiate here because

Brian Atlascortison that's when I think of it I think of people who are in the court typically there's a kingom there's a kingdom there's a monarch and there's

Brian Atlasyou know maybe some of them are are Dukes maybe or it's from that era viceo there's some Vice Roy in there there's a

Brian Atlascouple of uh I don't know some other terms uh Lords Lord Lords ladies um but okay so uh you guys work in Nevada is that correct in uh what's it what's the

Olivia Bentleyplace that you guys work at uh um there's different brothel the Bunny Ranch um I've been at the Bunny Ranch we've both been there uh we' both worked at the world famous Mustang okay um those are more normal oh so you guys

Olivia Bentleyboth don't work there or you don't work there anymore do you still work at the what is it called the Bunny Ranch or so hold on we're independent contractors so take take your time so like when when

Olivia Bentleywe're on tour we contract ourselves out you know with with whomever okay so that might change sure so I uh a couple questions here so um I don't know maybe it's changed

Brian Atlasthroughout the course of your life but how many maybe you see men you maybe you see women how many per day or per week uh do you call them clients what do you

Olivia Bentleycall them tricks clients friends no not tricks marks no no okay I don't know I don't know the terminology I'm not world I some some providers may but they're not maybe the the most respectful I I

Olivia Bentleylike to deem them friends as soon as I get to know them and um and we are like friends sometimes we're like married couples but um it can be um it depends

Olivia Bentleyanywhere from like two just three a day that's a lot um but maybe five a week okay uh what about you um so anywhere

Brian Atlasbetween 2 to three oh sorry fine anywhere between 2 to three okay um and sometimes four or five depending on sure per day yes do

Brian Atlasyou know what the most is in one day uh like was there one day this it always fluctuates okay is there ever

Olivia Bentleylike a 10 a cin I don't yes I mean it can it's can happen I don't personally do that when coming off the heels of um

Olivia BentleyDennis Hoff's cat house there were I mean Nick ni Nick hide hide hide hide hide

Brian Atlashide okay cool okay we're fine we're fine okay all right good all right welcome to the whatever podcast always something

Olivia Bentleyum where were we I was mentioning um after Dennis Hoff did his famous show um cat house on HBO he drummed up a ton of

Olivia Bentleyuh mainstream media he got one of the girls on on Oprah and whatnot there were so many people coming in those were the days where maybe you'd be seeing like 10

Brian Atlasclients 12 clients in a day okay that was that was a lot gotcha and for for you two has being involved in

Brian Atlasprostitution has it had any impact when it comes to your uh romantic prospects yeah they've I've got to be able to be I've got to be able to be

Olivia Bentleymyself and fully disclosed and I need that person to accept me for who I am bottom

Lexiline um I have had no issues doing uh being a legal prostitute um um I've had no issues being a legal prostitute just

Lexibecause I haven't been dating anybody um within this time for that year MH uh as for everything else um it's hard dating

Lexium I've ran into a lot of insecure men typically those are the ones that can't handle me doing what I do for work and um well just a point of clarification so

Brian Atlasyou've run into a lot of insecure men and are they insecure because they don't want to date you because you are currently active as a prostitute no I'm

Lexisaying I've never dated a guy while uh working at the brothel at the Bunny Ranch or the musing Ranch but I've been dating guys like between me doing camming and dancing so that's what I'm

Brian Atlastalking about but you you mentioned insecure men what what make what specifically are they doing that makes them insecure is it cuz they they're insecure about your work yes like uh

LexiI've had Exes in the past past that would cry about me going to work to dance at the strip club um I've had guys try to control like what I wear and uh

Brian Atlassay that I can't work at strip clubs or do only fans or whatever um is oh sorry was there more no and that's okay is it because they're insecure or is that just them having boundaries and standards I

Lexifeel like that's I mean you knew what I was doing before you met me right so all of them knew exactly what I was doing before they met me which brings it to yeah if

Lexiyou have a problem with what I do before you meet me maybe don't get in involved with me sure I'm very open I'm very honest person um you knew what I was doing before you met me if you don't

Olivia Bentleylike it there's the door nobody's making you stay I think too um gentlemen love the idea of dating us and then once we go to do it then it's not really

Lexirealistic right it's almost like fetish fetish fetish like you're right it's like oh it's so hot I have a girlfriend that does this that and the other and then when they're really at home and I'm

Lexilike on only fans or on a CL on a call with a client or whatever they're like no this is weird this is weird you know what I mean and that I think it's an insecurity yes because you knew where I

Brian Atlaswas coming from you knew what I was doing and you weren't okay with it then you should have have made that a point I mean I suppose you have a point that I mean if they knew going in

Brian Atlasthat you this is what you do for work you're a stripper or you're doing only fanss or you're doing sex work then I think it's a a little bit of a stretch that all of a sudden a couple

Brian Atlasweeks or months into a relationship then they start changing up but I think to diff differentiate the conversation a little bit for example like let's say and I don't know if you mentioned this when it comes to like posting perhaps

Brian Atlasrevealing photos online not intended for commercial like the they're just on Instagram they're but they're not monetizing it they're not content

Brian Atlascreators or like for example if they go to the bar club party a lot um would you consider it insecure if a guy maybe

Brian Atlasthree months into a relationship at that point he started having issues with some with uh with you or with another girl hey he started saying hey I don't I don't want you go in clubs and bars

Lexianymore I don't he already knew you're saying he already knew this well like I assume he knew yeah

Brian Atlasso if he already knew then well I guess my framing is prior to dating he had no problem with you or with another girl engaging in what he

Brian Atlasconsidered to be single Behavior at the time but once you or whoever it is started dating he wanted his partner to act in a way that he thought was more consistent with being in a relationship

Brian Atlasso perhaps it's okay to go out to me personally even if I'm single I'm not really interested in going to bars clubs and I don't post revealing photos online but uh I don't know I feel like that men don't do that too much I mean there's

Brian Atlascertainly men that post like whatever anyways um but once you get into the relationship there's expectations that certain things change well with the sex worker well

Brian Atlasyeah I mean I'm just differentiating when the when it comes to like posting revealing photos if it's not for your work uh then yeah I can separate my work identity from my personal life go ahead you wanted to come in I think I mean if

Aeliawe're talking to somebody that's not a sex worker and is posting revealing photos I think that that's something that you talk about before getting to into an a relationship with somebody because then if you're talking you know and a guy is like you know my

Aeliaexpectations for my girlfriend are XYZ I don't like these kind of revealing photos for my girlfriend I don't like her like you going out all the time and then I think from then on that's when you decide whether to make a relationship serious or not because if

Aeliashe doesn't want to restrict where she's going or what she's doing or the type of photo she's posting for him then that's her decision but I don't think that it's wrong for a partner to ask her you know hey if we're in a relationship this is

Brian Atlaswhat I expect and then you know she makes the decision yes I will do those things or no but do you do you think that so early on like say on the first date or second date that there's

Brian Atlasenough of a relationship EST estblished for a guy to have enough I don't know if Leverage is the right word but like enough pull or influence to be like Hey

Brian Atlaslisten I don't want you doing this anymore absolutely not absolutely but that's I mean she just said that you should early on you should say ear not date number one date number not date

Pixienumber one not date number two that is maybe date number wait there I think there's two things going on here I think um you can date someone and then as a relationship evolves and changes some things that you thought you were

Pixiecomfortable with you're like hey I'm not really comfortable with this anymore I think that's reasonable um but I think that's very distinct than going into relationship thinking oh I don't like the fact that she postes this types of photos I'm going to make her stop you

Pixieknow I'm going to change her basically cuz you're setting up I think everyone for disappointment you're setting up yourself her there's a difference between going into something having feelings change talking from there and intentionally trying to change before

Lilyyou even date really I have a question if you ever fell in love with somebody would you be willing to delete all of your stuff if they asked you would I be yes if you as a sex worker and everything that you do if you fell in

Lexilove and you found someone and they asked you to stop so with that being said I am currently single because of what I do for work I am very much so

Lexibusy doing my work and I'm Full Throttle like wanting to make money and capitalize off of this industry to the best my ability and make it to the point

Lexiwhere I can retire and then it's like also making this much money and doing what I do for work it puts me in a position to be able to meet the type of guys that I want to meet right um the

Lexihigher-end type of guys and maybe later on down the line not any time yet uh I would be open to it if I find everything happens for a reason you know never say

Lexinever but like if I found Prince Charming or something one day and he didn't want me doing this anymore like that or I

Lexiwouldn't be doing this anyways I want to retire from it at one point and then yeah eventually maybe and when you say high-end men what do you mean by that

Brian Atlaslike like high value men or men with a lot of money high value okay I have a question for you two here uh so both of you do only fans

Brian Atlashaving done only fans continuing to do only fans has it had any negative impacts on your dating prospects does it make it harder to date has it been maybe

Aelianot an issue at all some guys like it I've never had an issue with it dating wise no one has ever because I'm very upfront too you know first date if this is what I do if you don't like it

Aeliathis is how I make my money unless you're going to pay me the same amount of money I'm making then I'm not going to stop supporting myself um but yeah I never really ran into issues but again I don't do full pornographic content or

Aeliaanything like that so it probably is a little bit different for somebody on only fans that does do that type of content um but I personally have never ran into an issue my boyfriend at first was you know I told him and he was like

Candace Owensokay well if I'm going to date you I have to be okay with this and that was that and it's never been an issue sorry um sorry I was asking a question what kind of content do you do on only fans uh mainly topless content okay and you

Essiecurrently have a boyfriend yes I do okay just that's the extent of it yes okay what about USC um I've also never had an issue um in my dating life I don't date

Brian Atlasthat often though but uh right because you've been single for six years but but it might not necessarily be related to that you're now doing only fans yeah I also don't do um Nudes on only fans so

Brian Atlasit's just like lingerie content okay so I think that also maybe helps because I I so sure yeah okay um question here for Candice so um what are your thoughts on

Brian Atlasonly fans sex work and do you believe that uh a woman doing only fans or porn might have an impact on her future romantic prospects uh and if so how and why I can

Candace Owensrepeat any that was a lot so let me know if you need me to repeat anything um I I talk about this extensively on my show I mean the truth is that if you are going to engage in sex work you are going to probably make a lot of money especially

Candace Owensif you're young um you're on a very tight rope as you get older your value goes down and men are going to want women that are younger and available to them um I'm talking about in terms of just making the person who will subscribe to your only fans page you

Candace Owensknow obviously women it's you're you're declining as you age as and um the truth is is that high value men don't want to date women that are sex workers or even women that aren't sex workers and lean

Candace Owensinto the whole talking about how sexy and fre are freely available on the internet for other men to see what we're talking about is biological proclivity um what men are doing when they first

Candace Owenssay it sounds amazing to date a stripper or to date a prostitute or to date a sex worker is there there's this instinct to have sex it's going to be amazing when to have sex all the time but then when they realize that actually a form of

Candace Owenswanting to be in a relationship is feeling that there's a mystery to a woman that there's something that's yours there's something that's sacred there's something that's powerful and beautiful that just you share and when they realize that they have to share

Candace Owensthat with other men it completely diminishes the man um recent cultural example of that obviously is what's happening with Nina Agdal uh she's not a sex worker by any means this is she just kind of said some sexy things on the

Candace Owensinternet um about wanting [ __ ] and look at what was not expecting that from Kanas City I'm just I'm quoting her directly so this is purely academic

Candace Owensacademic purely academic and look at what happened you know now Logan has become the lot laughing stock of other men as they piece together everything that she's ever said that's overtly sexual and again she's sex worker but

Candace Owenswhat happened is her value just completely plummeted because you know there this thing that men and need to feel um and I don't want to say possession in a way that sounds bad

Candace Owensbecause it's not bad it's actually really beautiful um and I'm lucky and fortunate that I get to experience that in my marriage you know and and it's it's something that women should strive toward women that make those exchanges

Candace Owensin their youth I think that's sad and I do feel bad for me AGD doll is because she said a lot of those statements when she was really young she probably your age um and she had a camera and she said it and it lives forever and now every

Candace Owensman that she dates is going to say Dylan danis has made her available to everyone and it's it's I hope things work out between her and Logan but if you don't think that that's going to impact Logan

Candace Owensor that's not actively impacting him as a man it is um so with women it's a trade-off first thing you said was I make money this is about money it's about money but when it comes down to

Leximarrying these women men just don't want it and that's exactly why I said that in this industry I'm single until I retire I don't but it will still matter I don't plan on doing this or

Lexigetting married or finding the love of my life until I retire like truthfully and then after that you see what happen me AGD doll no no and then after that I will be honest and truthful with the person that I will be getting married to

Candace Owensor whatever and it'll be up to him to accept that right so saying natural proclivity is to not accept that because it brings them shame um men are

Candace Owensbiologically proud creatures not everybody can be like no I know I'm I'm not at I'm just telling you what is happening and why people are I'm just talking about cultural events in the egg doing and if you look at people like

Candace OwensEmily rowski she's obviously hot um but this is a woman who's now trying to make divorce Chic and I think that the understanding is in Hollywood is you know sleep with her and move on she's not marriage material um her husband

Candace Owenswhen he had her cheated on her because they didn't have that thing she was I feel like I've I've slept with the girl I've seen her naked so many times right so there's nothing special about Sebastian bear marrying her because we've all seen her naked there's nothing

Candace Owenssacred in that relationship and I I'm just speaking on telling you you know this is why women struggle to get married when they've made themselves available on only fans because other men

Candace Owensdon't want to share they don't want to share their wife they maybe will share their girlfriend they might think it's fun a day to stripper for a little bit they might think oh this means I'm going to have sex 12 times a day but then when it gets down to just their biological Instinct it's it's actually quite

Candace Owensembarrassing for them as a man because they can look up your girl and here she is you know so that's what I think is happening yeah I'm um I'm just curious about your opinion on this because I've

Pixieseen like a couple people in like red pill spaces like Tates or people similar to that talking about how they should marry a young woman would you agree or disagree that that might not be the most

Pixielike rational course of action to to to marry a young woman what do you mean by that yes that I hear a lot of men talk about how a woman inherently loses value as she gets older and that's why that they should seek out young women um well

Candace OwensI live in the south and a lot of people get married young and I think it's really beautiful and wonderful they preserve this sort of Innocence I have people that work for me that want to get married at 22 they drop out of school so I don't think there's anything wrong

Candace Owenswith marrying when you're young um I'd have to see the full context of what they're talking about because I do think obviously the longer you wait and especially in this Society that's

Candace Owenscreating this simulation that sexuality equates to Freedom when it doesn't um that what he might be suggesting is that the longer a woman runs free the more partners that she's Gathering and her her worth is being diminished and I

Candace Owensthink that there is some verocity to that um but you know if it's said in a way that sounds a little crash like seek out younger women because they're not as used and I can see why people would be offended by it but there that might be underpinned by a little bit of logic so

PixieI'd have to see the clip in its entirety yeah the reason reason why I'm asking is because in general I think um men do have a biological proc procity I can't pronounce that word proclivity um you know to see out like Youth and Beauty

Pixiebut I also think when it comes to like settle down um you want a mother who's going to be responsible and good towards your children so I think the idea that like men seek out beauty is true but I also think men seek out a level of like

Lexiresponsibility and maturity that only comes with age so I was just curious because of the other stuff I've heard from people and also it's like they sex

Lexiis just sex like it's just sex huh and just when when you have a partner you have an emotional connection with them

Lexiand so like the guy on your last podcast the he was on here a few days ago he was saying how like men for men sex is just sex and but like spending time with a

Lexiwoman and like buying her things and like going on trips with her is like different than than having sex with just random people and that's why they were like in an open uh relationship or whatever can I just

Candace Owenshave you scoot your mic that way a little bit yeah perfect I mean I definitely wouldn't say that like swapping DNA is like just sex I mean a man leaves a piece of himself inside of you but man that's the way they think

Candace Owensand like for women we get attached to them emotionally having sex with them which why it's more of a when women have a lot of Partners it's it is different

Candace Owensit's it's it is worse in a way and people don't want to admit that but because we are more emotional there is an attachment it isn't just sex for women um you know I think women are

Candace Owensdamaged by those relationships um women like to think because of the social simulation that it can just be sex it's whatever non-committal the only people that benefit from that lie are men you

Candace Owensknow it it is not great to have sex and have a man not call you back it doesn't feel good it doesn't matter if a buzzfeed article says it does I had a wonderful weekend and this is why I had sex and didn't worry about it you feel

Candace Owensused and especially I would say if you're not a sex worker and you're you just a man does that never calls you back and you don't even have money to show for it I think it diminishes your your self worth even more than your

LexiWorth to a man the reason why I say sex is your sex is because in our line of work we see it as transactional right especially when we're working and then at the end of the day they go home to

Lexitheir wives or whatever right and it's like emotionally you're emotionally being there for them and taking care of them and doing all this out or the other

Lexiso then sex clearly isn't just sex it's also emotional it can be yes it can be yes but I was saying AC according to the guy that he had on the last podcast he

Pixiesaid that for men um sex is just sex and that I kind of sorry I I disagree with the idea that sex doesn't harm or casual sex wouldn't harm a man or does harm women or that sex is just sex I think a

Pixielot of people tell themselves that but I think it can like lead to a lifestyle of just like pure Hedonism whether you're like a man or a woman and that can be like dangerous because then you're losing you know sight of other things

Pixiethat you value or other aspects of life so I don't really think like for I think for some people that can be true but I think for the majority of people like there's a reason why a lot of people are only into monogamy or why that's been like the norm for a lot of cultures and

PixieI think most people are a little bit hardwired to kind of seek out those in relationships and I'm not saying it's impossible I'm like I'm just saying I think that's how most people are where casual sex can be harmful and I think it can definitely be harmful for men I want

Candace Owensto be clear I I'm saying that it's different for men and it's different for women but I don't agree with the statement sex is SE is just sex at all and it's natural to be like attracted to a lot of different people you know what

LilyI mean so it's like but that comes with self-control I think attraction is one thing and acting on those needs or wants by sleeping with

Brian Atlasmultiple people to I just I don't understand that did you want to come in on on this I guess I don't what do you mean I don't understand why not in response to her but just the in general

Aeliayeah I mean I don't necessarily agree with the idea that sex is just sex when I was younger I definitely had a lot more you know like casual sexual relationships not one night stands or anything by that measure more like

Aeliasituationship um and as I got older you know my views on it kind of changed and you know you do feel different ly when like you were saying it doesn't feel good to hook up with somebody and not have them call you back so I actually was celibate for about 2 years before I

Aeliamet my partner um doing only fans and everything else partner yes um I wasn't sleeping with anybody I like stuck to it very hard because I just didn't really like the feeling of sleeping with somebody and then getting an emotional

Aeliaattachment to them so I I think that certain people because everybody is different I don't think that it's that black and white um but I think to some people and to some women and to some men casual sex really is just sex whether

Aeliathey're leaving DNA or not I think that there are people that do actually feel that way because I've met women that are like that but for me it is not that simple and I don't think that it's that simple for most women can I raise a

Tarapossibility just because it's something that I've sort of seen um so I do think it's possible that for some people sex may be detached from

Tararomantic emotions with that person but I do think there may always still be an underlining part an underlining psychological part there of at least an

Taraego boost at least some sort of like grab for validation some sort of grab for emotional intimacy even if you're telling yourself I'm just doing this

Tarabecause having casual sex is empowering and sex is just sex I think even in most the cases where that's where people genuinely believe they're just having sex because it's sex if they ask

Tarathemselves a a little further why am I really doing this is it just for is it perhaps just you know to Plate my ego or for some sort of male validation or for some sort of like intimacy or connection

Tarabecause I maybe am not getting it romantically otherwise um in more in a more like serious relationship I am um I would also press for that as a possibility even in those cases of

Aeliapeople who genuinely do think for themselves that it is sex is just sex well I mean I guess we can look to the people that do it profession I mean do you feel that there's some underlying male validation in your work or no I find it very meaningful I find it

Olivia Bentleymeaningful when couples come in and they want to work on something they're working on a goal maybe he's got a mental block and we're working on that um the gentleman that comes in that's having issues with rectile dysfunction

Olivia Bentleyand he's trying to troubleshoot that and we and we actually create success for him um it's it's meaningful to me wait just one point of clarification so

Olivia Bentleyyou're you're a sex therapist as as sex workers we're basically sex I me I I don't have a counseling degree I have I have a master's degree in education we have an article you

Brian Atlasrecently kind of went viral uh Nick can you pull up the article like I New York Post

Brian Atlasum uh New York Post I'm a sex therapist I sleep with clients to save marries oh my gosh I got this person I did see they

Candace OwensC did you you reacted to this or you all did but I'm here you're here now can Nick can you pull up the article really quick yeah one