HEATED DEBATE With Beret Girl, ØF Girls STORM OUT?! | Dating Talk #70

Date: 2023-05-01

Duration: 5h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLeah (Beret Girl)>

AAmanda (Never Average Chick)>

FFrankie Dutra >

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Patrice O'Neal (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_03Amanda (Never Average Chick)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Andrew Tate (clip)(audience)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Frankie Dutra(guest)

SPEAKER_07Nikki Shay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Leah (Beret Girl)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Joe(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

Key Moments

IntroLeah introduces herself as age ~25, ex-sex worker (escorting and OnlyFans), now anti-sex revolution/industry activist; still earns passively from archived OnlyFans.

IntroJulie introduces herself as 25, content creator with bodybuilding background and OnlyFans; brought her dog Bella (ESA) to the show.

IntroFrankie Dutra (21, Ritz Carlton server) introduces himself with girlfriend Madison (18, SBCC student); he red-pilled her toward conservative values.

OtherFrankie gives Madison a promise ring on camera. Plans to marry around age 21-23 and have 2-3 children.

ControversyLeah (Beret Girl) challenges Brian's show format: accuses him of bringing on uneducated/unself-aware women to make them look stupid for viral clips and chat laughs.

ControversyBrian defends the show format as long-form dating conversation; calls Leah's critique a straw man. Leah says it is a happy accident that exploitation drives his virality.

OtherLeah refuses to participate in the self-rating round, arguing rating women's looks is objectifying and antithetical to feminism.

OtherAmanda (Never Average Chick) admits she uses dating apps while married to funnel men to her OnlyFans; men are aware she is married and have autonomy.

OtherAmanda reveals she had sex with her husband on a live OnlyFans stream.

OtherSeveral guests (Joe, Nikki, and others) disengage from the feminist debate panel around 2:44, going to sit on the couch. Brian notices three empty mics and addresses them. Leah announces she is going to the couch. Brian asks them to leave (~2:48) when they continue talking behind the scenes.

ControversyBrian asks the disengaged guests to leave: "can you guys not talk behind the scenes... you can get out." They leave. Brian says he has never had to ask someone to leave before.

ControversyLeah's Twitch drama surfaced via superchats (user "Modern Life Dating" sends multiple $100 donations accusing Leah of lying/manipulation). Leah dismisses it as old drama she does not want to discuss on stream.

QuoteAndrew Tate clip played (garbage man speech): men go to work to provide for families, not to oppress women. Panel agrees it makes a valid point.

QuotePatrice O'Neal clip played: if a woman lost her vagina in a train accident, how would she keep her man? Julie says she would give oral sex; Leah objects to reducing women to sexual orifices.

QuoteLeah's closing message: women should not have casual sex, should not have sex with strangers, and should get off birth control.

OtherBrian criticizes the panel for arriving 50 minutes late, causing the show to run long. Julie thanks him and says he is doing a wonderful job.

Topics Discussed

Announcements and sponsor

Brian announces new audio/computer setup, TTS rules, Streamlabs, Twitch plug, Tiege Hanley sponsor.

Guest introductions, backgrounds, and relationship status

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation). Brian asks about relationship status, longest relationship. Leah introduces as ex-sex worker/anti-sex industry activist, still passively earning from OF. Julie: content creator/bodybuilder, first relationship. Amanda: married content creator. Joe: 20, nightclub hostess with boyfriend. Nikki Shay: 26, promotional modeling, single. Lexi: 20, Hooters new hire, recently divorced at 18. Frankie and Madison: couple, promise ring exchange.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and society

Discussion on only fans as art vs sex work, content creator finances, impact on future children, using dating apps to funnel OF customers, NBA player DMs, objectification debate begins with Leah pushing back on OF normalization.

Heated debate: feminist critique of the show and rating system

Leah challenges Brian directly on the show's purpose, accusing it of bringing on uneducated/unself-aware women for viral clips. Brian defends the format. Leah objects to the rating round. Extensive debate on whether the show exploits women. Most heated exchange of the episode.

Plastic surgery, self-ratings, and body standards

Brian asks panel about plastic surgery (breast augmentation, BBL, fillers). Self-ratings round. Leah refuses to participate on feminist grounds. Brian asks about plastic surgery preferences.

Blue check marks, athletes in DMs, and being flown out

Panel shares experiences with celebrity/athlete DMs and being flown out. RJ Barrett suspected. Promise ring moment between Frankie and Madison. Parents as friends discussion.

Body count, hypergamy, and sexual marketplace

Panel discusses whether body count matters, their own body counts. Brian makes hypergamy arguments. Leah pushes back on evolutionary biology framing. Debate on birth control, sexual revolution, and women's choices.

OF girls disengage and exit; feminist/patriarchy debate continues

Joe, Nikki, and possibly others disengage from debate (~2:44) and sit on the couch. Brian asks them to leave (~2:48). Debate continues between Brian, Leah, Amanda, Julie on patriarchy theory, feminist ideology, and systemic oppression. Remaining: Leah, Amanda, Julie, Frankie, Madison.

Twitch drama, Andrew Tate and Patrice O'Neal clips

Leah's Twitch drama briefly surfaced via superchats. Andrew Tate clip (garbage man speech) played; panel reacts. Patrice O'Neal clip on keeping a man without a vagina played; panel reacts.

Closing remarks and Twitch raid

Brian wraps up, reads final superchats, complains about guests being 50 minutes late causing the show to run long. Twitch raid to pasharo (WoW streamer).

Transcript

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Leah (Beret Girl)doing it um because they're being trafficked or because they're very down on their luck sure or because they're homeless or because they're addicted to drugs um so yeah I believe that there should be

Leah (Beret Girl)Outreach social Outreach programs for prostitutes okay how's your relationship with your parents horrible I'm basically an orphan yeah that was why I was a basically a homeless yeah you said you were homeless

Brian Atlasuh so you were like was it kicked out of the house at 18 or even before that so I was actually sent to a residential treatment center at 14.

Leah (Beret Girl)um is that where you got the Hat yes no and then when I got out I had healed I'd done all this therapy I was like a in-state custody um and then when I got out my parents

Leah (Beret Girl)were still you know my mom was still addicted to drugs my dad was still an angry drunk so then I just sort of left at about 16 and then I was kind of transient in and out of their home but

Leah (Beret Girl)mostly out of their home I lived with my high school boyfriend and then when we broke up I was on the street okay gotcha Ron yeah

Nikki Shaywhy why did she go to her car it's my car she doesn't have the keys so not sure what can you send Nick down yeah yeah all right

Brian Atlasum okay sorry we're getting a little some distractions here in the back um so just to bring it back as far as earnings go uh on average you're doing about 20K

Brian Atlasa month yeah oh I also 250k a year about yeah I was doing really good at the beginning don't know where that money went fast money comes and it goes especially when you're 18. quarter of a mill a year about yeah especially when

Leah (Beret Girl)you're 18. um but I also got into sex work because I had a criminal record so I couldn't get a job uh what was the what was your

Leah (Beret Girl)it had to do with my mom it's it's expensive America it was domestic assault though but it wasn't I didn't I didn't do it but okay and then you also said just I want to touch back on this

Brian Atlasreally quick uh you were when you said you were robbing men yeah so what part of that was you were just um you were asking for money for meetups

Brian Atlasthey would send it and then you just wouldn't meet up but would you also if you did meet up with a guy no would you rob them in person that's dangerous no okay okay so never any in-person robbing

Brian Atlasno but this was more of a finesse like I'll meet you I'll meet you yeah I was hustling yeah okay have you seen the movie Casino no okay good movie Robert De Niro just I don't know I've heard of it good anyways I'm not saying kind of

Brian Atlasunrelated okay so uh wow you've had a uh quite the path in your life um so

Brian AtlasI forgot what oh yeah how much money did you guys make on only fans and did any of you ever commending the crimes against men just

Brian Atlassaying just curious any robbery start with the first question how much do you make online friends or like your total content creation how much you make um

Julierange you can give a range if you want I do well

Joesix figures a month under that but have you ever had a six figure month no no okay what about you um I don't know an exact number but it

Joenot much I don't really care well you just started right yeah I mean I don't really care about it so I don't promote it I just have it on my link tray I don't post it gotcha what about you um I pretty much cheated it like a

Brian Atlaspart-time job making like two to five k a month okay same pretty much yeah oh into the mic just remember if I could have you scoot into the table are you getting a little cold no I was cold yeah

Nikki Shayokay we can get you a little blanket maybe too oh no it's fine okay sure okay cool um is she coming back by the way how'd

Nikki Shayyou guys know I don't she rode with us what she messaged you or what what uh

Nikki Shaythere was a comment that came up on the screen that she saw so she left wait what there was a comment s because she's on the wait why she's probably talking about her no she's

Nikki Shaytalking about her there was a comment on a user saying that her Instagram was just deleted and she freaked out and left her Instagram was deleted by a manager

Brian Atlasher old or sometimes like girls their Instagrams just get deleted because there's like that happens a lot a lot of the girls like only fans girls is it confirmed that a manager deleted it or maybe her Instagram just got nuked I

Nikki Shaymean I don't know I think there's like a lot of drama going on there so I think that there's potential that that could be a valuable reason okay all right

Brian Atlasum so okay uh here let's do some super chats here we have did we do this one yeah we did uh Madison do you want to read these or

Leah (Beret Girl)wait do you want to read you got a good speaking voice if you want to ladies looking lovely tonight Brian killing it as usual if time permits ask the ladies if they would rather date a CIS man who

Leah (Beret Girl)pushed them into an abortion or a gentleman that supported keeping the child I would never date anyone who pushed me into anything especially with my body what about it into a swimming pool yeah

Brian Atlaswell I would I like that that's that's a little goofy okay Jesus Michael with the answer sure go ahead we'll go around the table you can pick one or the other go ahead

Julieoh you already said that okay um um okay well first off there's no kids so yeah just just pick one or the other

Joesecond obviously the gentleman come on yeah okay we'll go one by one go ahead I'm just answering your question yeah of the comments yes yeah that question

Leah (Beret Girl)do you want a CIS man or a gentleman the one that's on the screen right now I don't know but I like this in this context

Nikki ShayI know what you're thinking and yes okay cool what about you also a gentleman a gentleman okay pro-life all the way

MadisonI would say a gentleman that supported keeping the child I'd much rather have um someone that supports keeping the child then someone that would make me kill it

Brian Atlasguys this medicine needs to speak a little louder or can you guys hear her okay we've had we've had some troubles with this number two microphone where like the volume on it is kind of stuff so uh Eric can you show us the chat so I

Brian Atlascan just see it uh is her I'm a little faint sorry I'll talk louder is you guys can hear her okay is the volume speak up someone says Speak Up Guys chat hello chat

Brian Atlastalk a little yeah project your voice a little louder got it all right we have uh drone videography thanks for the hundred uh never average is too cute I had the sub dmu on of once you get off

Brian Atlasthe pause okay she's not at the table sorry about that I don't know what the deal is um degeneracy um before we get this next Super Chat Eric can you pull up the twitch again

Brian Atlasokay guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow or a and or a prime sub if you have if you have one if you have Amazon Prime you link it to your Twitch quick free easy way every single month to support the show let me shout out

Brian Atlaseverybody here we have Eric can you scroll down so I'll shout out all the Primes uh I'm trying to see where the last one is okay we might miss some but Johnny acidic think for the tier one chalked thing for the prime weighing thing for

Brian Atlasthe prime I think for the prime scroll down scroll up John thing for the prime Dutch thing for the prime J Money I think for the tier one bread thing for the prime stank thing for the prime

Brian Atlasgallifry I think for the tier one Peter thanks for the follow Gomez thanks for the follow David thanks for the follow third eye gaming live thank you for the

Brian Atlasprime Excelsior simulations thing for the prime aided thank you for the tier one salty wash thing for the prime Bob Bodega thank you

Brian Atlasfor the prime appreciate it you guys uh never average girl terms and conditions apply

Amanda (Never Average Chick)my Instagram got taken down by someone um I'm not gonna name got nuked um yeah because she's just jealous she she has access to her no she doesn't she

Amanda (Never Average Chick)just couldn't react she can report it rip r.i.p's in the chat how many followers did you have on that Instagram account I just started it like three

Brian Atlasmonths ago and I had five thousand but you're fine but I have another one I wouldn't even trip yeah I wouldn't even trip about that and this super chat came in for you if you're uh Curious

Brian Atlasum yep that one okay yo cheeks think for the hundred so uh Madison do you want to read this one sure girls relationships

Madisonthey are being around have emotional damage and won't have a respectable man in the future girl in the Hat I expect you to clap back at the at these 304s properly

Madisonif not I will spending money here is nothing for me the 304 is can I say hello I'm pretty sure that's also the guy that says

Brian Atlasyo shout out to uh thib zerb thank you so much man for the uh 20 gifted on uh twitch man thank you cheeks

Brian Atlasum I think that's his his uh father's last name is cheeks it's Irish it's I think it's Gaelic yeah it's that right but he made it sound like he's beating

Brian Atlascheeks like that's that's his first name is beaten it's I think it's it's a common name in in El Salvador where bead and Cheeks is from

Brian Atlasokay uh Mike oh my God it is Mike Davis I haven't seen this guy in a minute hold on I'll read it since we have it yo Mike Davis good to see you back in the chat man let me hold on

Brian Atlasthe picture Madison can you grab the the picture it's I think no no it's it's up here it's up here on the the thing I think it's up top if you can grab uh it might

Brian Atlasbe just check for both look for a guy in a Burger King costume

Brian Atlasnice I'll have you show it um Mike Davis it's been a while Mike Davis good to see you back man um we'll

Brian Atlaswe'll pull it off the table in a sec uh what the hell is going on with all the blondes Brian you're running on audition for White Chicks three sex work is as old as Adam and Eve and will never go away plus you pay for it one way or the

Brian Atlasnext pay to play or pay for dinner to get played catch my drift that's from the legend the Burger King proprietor Mike Davis

Brian Atlasdo you guys have a response to Mike Davis hopefully sex work goes away do you guys he he took shots we wouldn't have sex work if guys didn't pay for it anything about the blonde comment you

Amanda (Never Average Chick)guys have a rebuttal I'm actually brunette brunette word okay I actually don't consider myself a sex

Leah (Beret Girl)right like I don't support my husband so I don't think that you're a sex worker it's interesting I don't know what the line is though because I think that a lot of people would say like bikini

Juliemodels are sexy so I'm not a sex worker actually I don't do porn so I'd like to not be referred as this what do you consider yourself a content creator and only fans is a subscription platform

Julieare you naked on it I am yeah yeah content sex work I think okay you can view it as I don't I'm not saying that there's any I'm not saying you're I know that no no you're labeling me of something and I have an opinion so I'm

Leah (Beret Girl)just telling you my opinion sure and I know that you're often getting called a sex worker by men like Brian who are trying to make you feel embarrassed for being a sex worker why are you dragging me into this I don't think I don't think

Leah (Beret Girl)I don't think that being a sex worker brings down does my value as a person I'm just saying that that isn't that is what you're doing is sex work people are are viewing it to get hard like that's

Leah (Beret Girl)what sex work is I mean people can look at an Instagram photo and get hard sure and that's what I said it's interesting to see what the line is and you tow it I think as like even a bikini model so wait you don't do anything nude on your

Julieof I do just topless nothing done nothing below the belt nothing none of that I don't do any

Brian Atlasall right yeah I mean the whole sex work term is to me is somewhat confusing because it's like you're lumping in someone who does escorting for example with somebody who

Brian Atlastakes tasteful lingerie like to me that's like pretty different you know it's like I get paid I also do wholesale lingerie modeling yourself you sell the lingerie no so like I'm a model for

JulieBrands and I do modeling for different brands and stuff um so basically what you would look at in a lingerie catalog it's the same thing that I'm selling on my website so all right we have Mr Cappadocia here

Brian Atlasthank you for the 50 favorite drink favorite Kink favorite smoke let's start with Madison

Madisonhuh favorite drink yeah um am I allowed to say that I'm 18. she only drinks water I only drink water

Brian Atlasbut my favorite King what what would your favorite drink be when you turn 21 like if you had to guess how it might taste

Leah (Beret Girl)sure is good to just sip on the Virgin the Virgin a virgin Moscow Mule is assuming a virgin a mocktail yeah favorite Kink

Brian Atlashuh you guys gonna share that she's 18. leave her alone leave her alone she's 18. uh I don't have a favorite Kink I don't

Brian Atlasthink but okay favorite smoke what what are we talking like methamphetamine marijuana oh marijuana heroin can you smoke heroin I don't know I'm sure you can smoke in

Frankie Dutrahere all right let's try to get through this one quick uh go ahead what about you favorite drink I don't know right now I'm on those happy dads I like those happy dads are really good I like the grape flavor go go happy Dad milk's doing a really good job with those

Frankie Dutraum favorite King we'll just go with like touching I like to I like physical touch that's not a kink it's a love language yeah if you don't have to answer if you don't

Brian Atlaswant no that's the cutest answer let him have that favorite smoke uh I don't smoke it's a good answer okay good for you by the way can you show the camera the the teeth thing can you do I don't know if they can see right here probably

Frankie Dutranot we had deltopias like a national holiday down here in Isla Vista was about a month ago so Maddie and I got some tooth gems off Amazon and we had these massaging two gems they're only supposed to last about a week for it too yeah

Frankie Dutrathese have been on for over a month so I'm just gonna roll with them until they fall off you may want to contact a dentist about you're not rocking with their brain no I don't I don't have a problem with it but

LexiI'm just saying some dentists offer it they could be 10 times damaging your teeth I don't know whatever what about you yeah it's kind of sketchy um my favorite drink is

LexiStarbucks Coffee coffee I love coffee um don't have a kink and then barbecue that's my favorite smoke okay that's a good one

Nikki Shayum my favorite drink um Margaritas yummy uh my favorite Kink um choking um but like in a nice way

Frankie Dutraum and favorite smoke uh probably weed what's your least favorite smoke cigarettes disgusting she's also with me on the tooth gym too you also have a tooth gym are those done at a dentist or

Joedid you have someone do those with I I went to somebody but my dentist does offer um I'm just gonna say water um based well I mean hydrate guys

Joeeveryone in the chat I want all of you to be drinking some water go ahead kink uh I don't know I have a few but I'm not gonna say them

JoeI'm sorry boring okay that's fine that's not the question and then favorite smoke marijuana I guess who what other answer is there to the

Leah (Beret Girl)Smoke question who's gonna be like I love smoking methods me I love it have you uh have you were you I've never poor

Amanda (Never Average Chick)took okay go ahead um my favorite drink would have to be spicy Marg but I'm also not drinking right now I haven't been drinking for

Amanda (Never Average Chick)like three months sure um I swear word and then um favorite Kink would have to be slapping

Amanda (Never Average Chick)yo that's crazy but not like you know I didn't see it was on my butt okay yeah um um and then smoke obviously weed but I

Juliedon't do that anymore so yeah good for you a little healthy life let's try to get through this one go ahead um oh sorry put me in timeout okay um my favorite well you guys took it

Julieaway so I already forgot all the dream it drink King Smoke Drink um I literally do not drink if I do rarely it's a straight tequila shot with a lime afterwards

Julieum sparkling water is my favorite drink sure and then um kink

Julieum like literally no I'm kidding um I would have to like talking dirty but I don't think that's like super kinky but I like need that my fave and then um

Julieokay

Brian Atlasum yo a b check thanks for the 20 gifted memberships man appreciate it

Julieand your favorite smoke um one eternity guys I don't smoke uh I really like Pedialyte that's my

Leah (Beret Girl)favorite drink uh what do you think about Ensure I'm not an insure Drinker no I like Pedialyte because it makes you feel so good so quick like it just makes you feel so hydrated so fast um but don't overdo it because there's a

Leah (Beret Girl)lot of there's a lot of stuff in there um and uh my kings are in nobody's business and I don't smoke rock and roll all right we got the Lomax thank you for the uh

Brian Atlas[ __ ] currency is this SGD anybody in the chat yo we got a squeaker over here Eric you hold on

Brian Atlasis it your chair can we swap this it's like Eric find one of these actually get get her the good chair let's get her the good one earlier

Brian Atlasis that one squeaker test the test all right I wonder how quickly modern women will yeah that one's a squeaker um and just leave it I guess yeah forget it forget it you could give her the I'll

Brian Atlastry not to the one that's like over there or whatever it's not your fault we just have dog [ __ ] chairs I'm in the process of getting new chairs too um yeah let's give her that chair just uh

Brian Atlasshe's gonna need a seat booster too if you can get her one with that one if you can just grab it and swap it out okay uh leather Hitler woman we'll find traditional gender roles back when AI girlfriends come to take their

Brian Atlasrevenue Source the dog smarter than the blonde corner of the panel combined um okay people are some haters do you guys have a response to the Lomax

Brian Atlasdo you like his anime waifu Avatar these are men who have never touched a woman in their life have never gotten close Lomax confirm or deny are you

Brian Atlasgonna stand for these this slander Lomax let us know also can you please tell us what currency that is I'm curious all right we have bads exe think of the 50.

MadisonMadison can you read this one question for the ladies on the panel how many of you just accepted that being a model and doing content creation is going to the highlight of your life and your only

Amanda (Never Average Chick)contribution to society your response I would I would have to say that um my content creation that I'm doing is for something later on in life like I am really big on

Amanda (Never Average Chick)um investing in like properties and doing other things so that way I can get out of that you know traditional of because I obviously don't want to be doing this my whole entire life and so I

Amanda (Never Average Chick)don't think that that's like the be-all end-all I've had eight to five jobs my whole entire career I can tell you right now they are not fun and I like making

Frankie Dutramy own money and being my own boss so I don't think that whatever they said you said you thought in the future about your real estate career have you thought about your kids about them going through school do you think kids are going to make fun of them throughout School how

Amanda (Never Average Chick)do you how do you no because I was always raised to be very open-minded and I want my kids to be raised the same way um and you know if people bully them

Leah (Beret Girl)my husband's six three and huge kids are going to find that and the internet's huge I I don't I don't think it's I don't think it's uh whether or not your kid gets like bullied or not or feels embarrassed I think I think seeing your

Leah (Beret Girl)mother in a compromising position position um adding to the way that they view women is probably a worse I I don't do you think that you'd want your daughter

Amanda (Never Average Chick)to do only fans um I don't know I haven't really to be completely honestly I never thought I was going to be that person to do it um and I also am very open-minded about

Amanda (Never Average Chick)it um I wasn't at first I used to be that girl that was like I hate like anyone that does only fans I think it's stupid like why are you doing this um and now I've like really broadened

Amanda (Never Average Chick)The Horizon the money makes it sweeter it does but I also think like when I do have kids I am not going to be probably doing like when are you gonna get out what's like the end game so you said you're not in this for a long term like

Amanda (Never Average Chick)when do you know like is it when you made enough or I think for me it's the other Investments that I have and when those are like fully on

Leah (Beret Girl)um no but my husband does and yeah this may be a personal question but did you were you affluent before only fans um no so were you struggling a little

Amanda (Never Average Chick)bit oh like money-wise I no I was not I was doing well I actually yeah I was doing well and I'm really good about saving my money um but I've always been that type person that would have like three different jobs and just trying to hustle as much

Amanda (Never Average Chick)as I possibly can yeah um and so I think that for me was like only fans I was like oh I'll do this on the side like it'll just be extra money a lot of girls in Scottsdale do it like it's kind of the norm out here in the

Amanda (Never Average Chick)west um and you know I come from like the middle of nowhere and where that's not a thing um and so I just think since it's so normal I just faces like oh it's just a

Nikki Shayside hustle and then it kind of turned in from a side hustle to like okay wow I'm making a lot of money and yeah also to add into like your question about kids for the future I think what she said about the West it has become like a lot more modernized so I think it

Nikki Shayalso might depend on like where you're gonna raise your kid if you raise your kid in La like there are so many sex workers here that I don't think that you know specifically one of ours necessarily is going to be the Talk of

Leah (Beret Girl)the Town when there's like so many plus years now going on between now and then because I think that's where it doesn't become normalized I think more I think we think that

Leah (Beret Girl)because we are living in the west um but it's not it's not normal and it shouldn't be normal I think it is I think it's pretty normal I think the media the media the media definitely I think that especially yeah and if you

Frankie Dutratalk to a lot of guys out there that are kind of normal and insane they aren't paying for pornography they are watching pornography I think that's what a lot of young men are finding like in this day and age are turning toward pornography to this day and age and they're having

Frankie Dutratrouble going out there and talking to girls in real life because the media it's so easy to pull up porn or whatever you want to see is right in front of you so why go talk to a girl yeah but it's destroying a lot of a lot of young kids

Julieand like it's sad I just think I think it depends on like like she was saying like what you would in referring to like porn is normalized

Julielike or sex work like what's your definition of sex work do you know what I'm saying because I think you're thinking like only fans and stuff like well the definition of sex work is selling

Leah (Beret Girl)yourself basically to me it's so yeah it's selling a sexual product so it's if anyone gets like aroused off of the product like I said like a Victoria's Secret magazine could be sex work like it could be

Frankie Dutratrue definition of sex but it's sex work you're not doing that disagree but you're technically putting yourself out there selling yourself sex work

Julieit's like a way of I think literally seeing a dick go in a vagina you have to you have literally using a vibrator and that's sex you have to think about why there's a market you have to think about

Leah (Beret Girl)why there's a market for what you do sex work no it's no it's art photography yeah it's photography people it's not like I'm just sitting here like but why do you think people are walking but why do you think people are watching it

Amanda (Never Average Chick)it's only one reason I mean if you have a mostly male fan base if they're paying for it that's on them it's okay but the material reality

Julieof it being porn does not change so let me ask you a question so if you're so against it I I just curious why wouldn't you delete your only fans if you I've

Amanda (Never Average Chick)already spoken about this I was big enough to wear my pornography is going to be out there so you can get it taken down very easily you can't yes you can

Leah (Beret Girl)100 you can you can yes you can I was just curious I was just curious I know okay you guys you guys have been doing this for six months too I also have lawyers that literally tell like you

Juliejust pay for it and it gets taken I was just curious if if like your super which I think it's really cool actually that you're super like not into sex work and you're because you

Julieit sounds like you've like really kind of dipped your toe in the sex work water in different areas and so I completely get where you're coming from and I think it's actually great because I know a lot of people who do the escorting and stuff

Julielike that and I think it's really toxic and actually really scary and um but out of curiosity um because it sounds like you're super passionate about it so I was just

Juliecurious if you have so much passion for it I would just assume that um you would want to just completely take off your only fans to not earn money from that to show like you really are super against it you know yeah I I

Leah (Beret Girl)do want to do that I also think that like I said I'm coming from a background of uh you know criminality I have uh basically ruined my job opportunities from being a public

Leah (Beret Girl)sex worker online there are very minimal ways to make money I haven't posted for months and my sex work is going to be out there I've been doing sex work for so long that it will just keep getting

Leah (Beret Girl)reposted it'll keep getting reposted and I want to move on I don't want to have to talk to a lawyer every week and say hey there's a new uh picture of me when I was 18 being circulated can you take it down it's on Reddit every [ __ ]

Leah (Beret Girl)week I want to be able to move on with my life and hey if you want to look and you want to pay me it's there I'm not going to post on it but there's an archive and at least it'll be sent to

Leah (Beret Girl)that I don't and you know maybe once I get well I am in the process of getting an actual job working with women at crisis centers but um until then uh and after then hopefully

Leah (Beret Girl)all that money will go towards uh sex worker Outreach programs to help those women but until then I'm sort of in a in a rock and a hard place I think that a lot of women don't realize what comes

Leah (Beret Girl)after sex work and um it's not great you don't get hired anywhere you don't get everyone has seen you naked imagine walking into a room I've been doing this for six years imagine walking into a room with a

Amanda (Never Average Chick)hundred people they've all seen you naked we all have the same thing sure but there's a very specific way in

Leah (Beret Girl)which men treat women who they've seen as sexual objects and it's not kindly so I have very limited options right now I would love to have never made any money from the sex industry that's part

Leah (Beret Girl)of my my whole platform online is that I I don't believe that this is of I don't believe that sex workers work it's not work and it shouldn't be work um but unfortunately it's just the cards I was dealt and I'm trying to get myself

Leah (Beret Girl)out of it so then you learn you live and you learn I was I was I was younger than you can you imagine going into it right now I got a really serious question for everybody here okay

Brian Atlasrelated not really related to this at all but what would you do if you went home with a guy and he had a race car bed

Brian Atlasat like our age yeah like he's 25. if it's like ironic red race car bed you down or what year is he living on his own he still alive

Brian Atlaslet's say he's got his own place this guy's own place that's hilarious

Madisonyou're just like immature still you're still a kid that's like a big red flag that you're not ready to you know what if he's doing ironically what if it was your boyfriend like let's say the first time honestly

Brian Atlasit depends on the it depends on the guy honestly yeah I got game I got game you gotta I think you should buy my game next time like you should buy it by writing a queen set up but uh what about you

Brian Atlasokay what about you that's immature it's a red flag no go no no I wouldn't be going home with anyone because I'm married well let's say

Brian Atlasyou're say you were single now you leave right so you were you were DTF but you should step into his bedroom no race car bed I'll sleep on the couch honestly honestly okay what about you if

JulieI'm DTF then I'd be like where's the race car outfit to go with it but let's [ __ ] go come correct

Brian Atlasin the Hot Wheel sheets okay all right so we have a uh chat here from Rippy through streamlabs guys reminder TTS uh it's all through

Brian Atlasstreamlabs now and if you you can also donate and we'll read it like this shout out to Leia seeing the light she dressed like she ready to fight the revolution Madison and Frankie congrats on whatever that proposal was question oh she missed

Brian Atlasit okay question for the ladies do you consider your parents friends in past and present uh just quick yes or no do you consider your parents friends

Leah (Beret Girl)your parents friends to you I assume he's asking just like yes or no just yes or no go ahead uh no worse ranged yes

Joeno yeah you're not friends with your parents I mean like they're my parents they're not my friends I'm close with them but fair enough my mom

Frankie Dutrayeah I'm pretty close with them yeah I'm close with them and open with them but friends got it super close to my parents I think your parents it's really healthy to be close with your parents I think your parents are going to be the most

Frankie Dutrahonest with you and give you the best relationship uh any any advice um life advice for you your parents should be your best friends were word okay we have let's see here we have this

Brian Atlasone uh I asked the of girl who went to Friend's Wedding did you try to seduce your friends to be husband in order to feel better about her life I'm sure you are

Brian Atlasjealous you aren't getting married and she is well I hope my statement starts making you jealous Hashi Rama sends you think for the

Brian Atlasno that doesn't really make any sense word I'm not I'm struggling to follow clarification please clarification all right we have a drone videography the

Brian Atlasthing for the 50. never average chick I saw your IG was just deleted but thankfully your of name is the same name uh it's not but it's close to it it's

Brian Atlasthere we did this one okay yo Nick Granger thank you for the hundred man um rate the girls on personality not on looks Brian writes left well before we

Brian Atlasdo that why don't we do this one by Stiffler uh Stiffler ask the radius to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten

Brian Atlasgosh so why don't we start who who do we what did you write yourself did you say I kind of changed it like I thought we were including like

Brian Atlaspersonality like but you were 10 last time I was 10. okay all right she's a 10 what about you into the mic please a 10 a 10.

Joe[Music] a ten

Juliewe just have to say the number I'm sorry I talked so much but do we just have to say no what the question is uh rate your looks I know the scale of one to ten and say why

Brian Atlassure yeah okay thank you Improvement that that's it yeah that's all you had to say you needed all that foreplay

Leah (Beret Girl)so nine okay what about you I'm gonna be super irritating and disagreeable but I don't think that encouraging women to Value give themselves a value rating on their looks as conducive with feminism

Brian Atlasso I'll have to pass I'm a complex word I get the job done we can't acknowledge that some women are

Leximore attractive than others physically sure sure if you're going to speak you got to speak I think everybody's beautiful I don't think should be like off of like looks there are certainly people who are not beautiful I just don't think that we

Leah (Beret Girl)should value I just don't think that we should value looks over other things I think that the real I mean the reality of the situation is that people are ugly and people are beautiful it's just I hate this movement like everyone is

Leah (Beret Girl)beautiful everyone is sexy there are things that you can be like being sexy being beautiful is so useless it's so useless it's pretty useful it's pretty useful yeah it's pretty useful for the

Brian Atlasfor the first half of a woman's life sure it's not very useful entire life yeah no well I mean there's obviously aging diminishes your uh attractiveness

Brian Atlasbut it's better to be an attractive 60 year old than an unattractive it does not change your value well yeah it doesn't change your value but it does certainly have an impact on how people treat you sure for

Leah (Beret Girl)socialization yeah people will treat you differently if you were yeah it doesn't it doesn't have an impact on but it doesn't have any real value well I mean if you can't I mean

Brian Atlaswhat is real value I mean if if you are it can bring value if you are so physically attractive that you can basically monetize that to the for example from for models well I'm against that

Brian Atlaswell you're you're well we're not talking necessarily about like nudity here you're you're against like proper like Magazine models like a chick who's the way they're advertising

Leah (Beret Girl)for the way that women are used as opposed as a as a yeah as opposed to men's as uh objects in for advertisement I am against yeah but you don't object

Brian Atlasto do you just you don't think that men are used in the same way no perhaps not to the same degree and I mean that's reflected in the fact that there's more women there's a different socials like Geist for women being sexualized than

Brian Atlasthere is for men why I reject that but it don't it doesn't matter if you reject it it's what's happening around you perhaps in the context of for example if we're speaking specifically about sex work

Leah (Beret Girl)sure it's everything there were there were women there were advertisements with for milk with milk all over a woman's face and that's supposed to symbolize ejaculate there's that doesn't happen with men that's not

Leah (Beret Girl)that's not good milk though it could just be milk it could just be milk there are certainly advertisements that are just milk right I'm not saying that every time a woman is on an advertisement it's sexualized but it certainly is more sexualized and the

Leah (Beret Girl)Zeitgeist is very different for women sexually than it is for men okay so but you you have an issue though with the whole objectification of female body

Leah (Beret Girl)yeah well you have an issue with the rating system yes because why why why do you object to the question

Leah (Beret Girl)because it you only ask it so that your chat can laugh and decide whether or not these women are actually tens or what they look like and I object to that you object to what part why you're

Leah (Beret Girl)asking the question so you object to me asking the question yes why because I don't I don't think you bring you bring these women on to laugh at them and for the chat to laugh at them

Brian Atlasand I object to that so wait while you're straw Manning kind of what I do it's not a straw man baby that's what you do you you're saying I bring women on to what

Leah (Beret Girl)so that they say something you bring on uneducated unself-aware women I have a master's degree fake news I'm not saying that every single woman is but that is the whole

Leah (Beret Girl)model of the show is that you bring on unselfaware women you bring on uneducated women that's not true so that you can laugh at them and so the chat can laugh didn't you message him asking to be honest yes so I could say this that that's that's all you wanted to say

Brian Atlaswell I'm sure there's more you have to say well I mean I I certainly reject your assertion there um I mean then what's the objective of the show what's the objective of this

Leah (Beret Girl)yeah why are there so many Clips going around of uh gorlock the destroyer of worlds and why there's so many clips of young blonde women saying very dumb things and very little clothing well let's not discount the brunette women who are saying dumb things too but them

Brian Atlastoo so I mean first off when it comes to the clips I would say that actually we're not clipping yeah you know what's clippable huh you know what's clippable oh I know exactly

Brian Atlaswhat's clippable a lot of these people like watch the podcast and they clip it on on our behalf so uh you you're asserting that I'm you still know they're gonna do it well you're asserting that I'm making the women look

Leah (Beret Girl)dumb however we're not you have this this measure of plausible deniability in which you can reject that you're doing that but everyone knows it's what you're doing that's what this platform is for you well that's a straw man that's not a

Brian Atlasstrum it's Strom him you're saying what's the steel man you're saying the intent of the platform is to bring women on to make them look stupid the basically the premise of the show is

Brian Atlasbring a group to laugh at the Modern Woman don't interrupt me let me actually explain my explain what the podcast is about we bring people on we bring both men and women on and we talk about

Brian Atlasmodern dating and often why modern dating sucks and we have long form conversations lasting anywhere from three to four to five hours uh and you

Brian Atlasknow oftentimes a lot of these clips and look we we make Clips too and we know you know oh she said something interesting he said something interesting so we do clip but we do as

Brian Atlasfar as The Show Goes we like I said have three four five hour long-form conversations where we get into the Nuance of various dating related topics I mean we spent 30 minutes talking about

Brian Atlasthe you know your background and how you're against sex work and you know we we got pretty deep into that and and I think I've conducted you're evil I don't think that you're doing all

Leah (Beret Girl)of this on purpose I think that that's a happy accident because those are the clips that go viral and you know that and you like it well of course I like Clips going viral that's a Badness man that makes money man yeah I like if Clips go viral sure

Leah (Beret Girl)that's that's great it brings more eyeballs to the show sure I even saw that you retweeted a a video of someone you know of someone uh some one of the

Leah (Beret Girl)hosts calling one of the girls a dumb [ __ ] and then it goes into the meta of the person watching it calling the girl a dumb [ __ ] and then it goes into the meta of someone watching and calling that a dumb [ __ ] you know what the show does you know what it is wait what did I

Brian Atlasretweet no I don't think anybody on the show has any ever called anyone a dumb [ __ ] are you talking about a cartoon yeah you're talking about the cartoons yes that is the social perception of the show wait did I even I don't know if I

Brian Atlasretweeted the are you talking about Freedom are you talking about Freedom Tunes I saw it on your your Twitter feed I'm not sure if I reposted that on my Twitter feed however if you're talking

Brian Atlasabout the freedom tunes cartoon which is satirical which was not produced by without so you don't think that anyone watches that show this show for that for what yo I really don't

Madisonthink it's that serious Brian invites girls on and ask them it is that deep yeah you know I don't think it's that deep what is that serious I

Amanda (Never Average Chick)feel like this is just a light-hearted like cash can you tell me a joke it is light-hearted but we can also get real at the same time I'm sorry if that's uncomfortable I'm I'm perfectly happy to continue talking about this please go ahead I'm perfectly happy also

Brian AtlasI think that there are other things I need ibuprofen I have a headache I'm not sure let me just address the cartoon thing a satirical cartoonist called Freedom Tunes made a

Brian Atlascartoon uh there's something about I I forgot first off that wasn't produced by whatever and that's it was taking Jabs at us and it was

Leah (Beret Girl)I mean it was in good spirit I thought it was funny no I love it yes whether or not whether or not you create degradation right whether or not you created it or you made it or you signed off on it or you liked it any of that the reality is that people watch this

Leah (Beret Girl)show and that's what they get from it and that's why it was popular right well look um certainly I would say that and you take measures with your your little and your little you know sign thing to be

Leah (Beret Girl)like we can't do anything here like what do you mean he might be mindful of be mindful of uh you know what you're saying online because you're you're writing you're giving us the rights to use this for whatever we want to use it for

Brian AtlasI'm not following you there can you clarify but what you you're talking about are Talent releases yeah you object to us having people sign Talent releases no I don't object to that I'm saying that you have you ever been part of a production at any other point in

Brian Atlasyour life well done I just answered your question I said that I don't know why bring up the talent releases don't you just leave it there

Leah (Beret Girl)no I only brought up the talent releases to to say that you know please we don't have to have this conversation now what no explain explain what you mean

Leah (Beret Girl)about the talent releases so with the talent release you're very I mean with or without the talent release you are aware that the internet is forever and that you bring on these women and sometimes you even ask them pointed questions so you sort of get

Amanda (Never Average Chick)them into a position where they say something stupid and then it gets clipped but also why are you coming on here I know you just talked about like wanting to get away from like the sex work and getting away

Amanda (Never Average Chick)from like like having that like be your I guess Mantra or whatever but you're coming on here talking about it on like a really big podcast like I feel like if

Amanda (Never Average Chick)you were trying to get away from that and you weren't on of anymore then it would make more sense but you're still making money on of and you're also coming on here saying well I mean she she's a feminist she intentionally came

Brian Atlason and I I knew as much I mean she intentionally came on because she obviously wanted to challenge me which was fine I don't mind it um so to as far as the talent releases go what is your primary gripe with the talent releases right it's not the

Leah (Beret Girl)talent release it's your awareness of what happens in the show

Leah (Beret Girl)yeah two wolves one okay one aspect of this show is that you want to get clipped and you want you know young girls to come on and make a fool of them welcome to the inner well as far as getting the getting Clips part I would

Leah (Beret Girl)say welcome to the internet yes listen we stupid we want to be successful of course you do of course you do I I want to be successful and I and but you are allowed to have that space I'm not saying that you should be platformed you're allowed to have the space and if people want to come on and be stupid and

Leah (Beret Girl)they want to be you know shout out their only fans they can do that also I'm also allowed to come on Julia Sandoval subscribe Raven I'm also allowed to come on and challenge you right sure hey Roy Roy right and then there's the second

Leah (Beret Girl)aspect of what you do use this show to say some pretty poignant things I think that you telling women that they're like sexual selectors and you telling women to I mean though your delivery is a little rocky on some of it like when you

Leah (Beret Girl)talk about a woman's body count potentially making her be of less value I think that that's a problem well I've never said that I think it's more so it's more the implication well so okay

Brian Atlasreally quick on body count I've never said that if a woman is slept with a lot of men that in terms of her value as a human that she's worth less however I have said I

Leah (Beret Girl)think that you're actually very careful with your words also I try to be you bring on other people who do and then you're like oh this is so naughty and but the implication is still there I

Brian Atlasmean I've been pretty strong on my position when it comes to body count I mean I've said that for example I think promiscuity is disgusting sure so I mean I I think I you also said that you like large labia minority because I appreciate it yes I appreciate it I'm a

Brian Atlasfan you're a female enjoyer I'm a feminist yeah a lot of people want to say Brian you're anti-feminist I am the ultimate feminist okay I think I think

Brian Atlasit's labioplasty I'm not I'm not I'm not in favor okay any women by the way who feel self-conscious about their large labia my DMs are open okay so I'm just

Brian Atlassaying I I like large labia what can I say I'm a fan of large labia I I think it's I think but but it is actually a feminist position that you know all these magazines in the 80s and 90s were showing women who had small labia

Brian Atlaswhatever boom boom boom so it set the standard of like how their body should be they feel insecure ten thousand women a year get labia places for no reason

Brian Atlasfor purely cosmetic reasons it is a tragedy and as an as a admirer of

Brian Atlasjust don't do that well I mean I'm I'm not in favor of plastic surgery to begin with sure in general neither am I my fake tits look great I'm just saying here's here's one thing I do I'll come

Brian Atlasback I will come back to address let's talk about plastic surgery later let me address the plastic surgery thing so who who here has plastic surgery [Music]

Brian Atlaslet me ask what do you guys what do you guys have fake fake boobs anything else lips Botox lip filler

Amanda (Never Average Chick)um and then anybody have a BBL no wish but honestly BBL don't get it I used to talk lips

Brian Atlaseye Botox so my position on plastic surgery is I would prefer a girl for example all of you

JulieI would think you're more attractive let's say I hope this isn't like like no you're allowed to talk about that okay tell us how you feel careful HR is watching yeah [ __ ] whatever

Brian Atlasum I would prefer all of you with however your boobs were before y'all got fake titties I would find you more attractive

Brian Atlaslike that without the fake tits and without the lips huh yeah that's an opinion everyone I genuinely like I

Frankie Dutragenuinely prefer like I can I can back you on this I think as a guy looking at a girl you went all natural yeah Daddy is all natural Maddie will never get a

Amanda (Never Average Chick)boob job Butt Lift or whatever causes more literally I think that people don't just get it just because of like they want they're insecure no not at all I

Brian Atlasthink that a lot of it also has to do with like um medical like things that they have to do what are you talking there's some women who for example have breast cancer

Amanda (Never Average Chick)and they have to have a breast removed under those circumstances where there there was not added though do you want to go around it like living your whole life after having breast cancer and just reconstructive surgery

Brian Atlasthough those are under circumstances circumstances the majority of women who get breast implants don't do so because of breast cancer they do it for purely cosmetic reasons yeah you are

Amanda (Never Average Chick)correct but are you arguing that you had the no I didn't but I also had like I also was on birth control way back in the day and

Amanda (Never Average Chick)I had really big boobs and then they immediately left and they got I it was just all skin and so a lot of people don't even think I have it and for me

Brian Atlasyes it might have been like an insecurity but at the same time um I don't think it's like all everyone I'll put it to you this way I would

Leah (Beret Girl)prefer flat or misshapen or like ones bigger than the other or like saggy this this male preference argument against plastic surgery makes me want to throw

Leah (Beret Girl)up going under the knife going under the knife to change your physical body to look more [ __ ] for men I don't think it has anything to do with it yes so we

Leah (Beret Girl)do it for ourselves men get BOTOX getting breasts and getting a BBL is much different than getting Botox but I also didn't get it I didn't get it for a man I got

Leah (Beret Girl)that's not our perception on it no one gets plastic surgery for themselves yes ever like no one gets a boob job for themselves to feel confident for yourself yeah but

Leah (Beret Girl)it's feeling confident because you feel more [ __ ]

Leah (Beret Girl)why is everything about sex literally why is everything about sex you're getting breasts are you you are adding a sexual organ to your body how is that about sex is that a joke

Leah (Beret Girl)it's part of your body yes but you are altering your body in a potentially lethal lower your voice and a potentially lower your voice thanks

Brian Atlaslower your voice you are altering your body wait hey take the top off take the top off hey let them breathe let them breathe wait yo she wants smoke from like everybody this is okay this is good

Brian Atlasreally quick let me come back to the 10 thing sure just really quick who's a 10 again just ten You Were Ten You Were Ten I think do you guys have ibuprofen seriously you're getting a little

Julieheadache no I have a migraine from is it from me who's it from that's from Hitler literally can I have the ibuprofen um can you hook her up with a little I

Brian Atlasthink it's on the table is Tylenol good you good with Tylenol by the way um this show is sponsored by Tylenol and ibuprofen

Brian Atlasfor the for the headaches that it constantly causes Okay so tens huh really huh are we not allowed to feel that way

Nikki ShayI suppose you could feel that way but don't you think it's a bit delusional I think your time I think we're just confident yeah I think confidence is a good thing to have and we shouldn't be

Nikki Shaylittle girls that are women sorry that are confident it's not really confidence is it it's not really confidence

Brian Atlaswell it's uh vain you know what the The Confident thing would be would be to say I acknowledge that I'm a six That's The

Brian AtlasConfident thing the delusional thing is to say I'm a 10. if you're not no offense listen I'm not going to rate any of you I think I'm like a six on a good like ish

Brian Atlasum I don't think there's any tense here no fence

Brian Atlasthank you the only ten I think everyone has a 10 over there but no offense no one here's foreign

Brian Atlaslike if you ask every male what their ideal 10 is yeah that's true here's a better question here's a better question if you lined up say a hundred men what would they rate you on a scale of one to

Madisonten usually I get an above and an eight when I'm when if if it ever gets gets brought up I think it ranges though like if if I were to be like rated by a hundred different men

Madisonum yeah they all have different there's like a race on them like some people say in their lives some people could say I'm an eight or nine or ten word which also brings up preference

Brian Atlasword look I guess the issue that I have with whole 10 thing is in the dating Marketplace if you have this assessment of yourself as like

Brian Atlassuper physically attractive then that's gonna happen the impact on who you're potentially going to partner with so a lot of men in today's day and age are feeling zeroed out of the dating

Brian AtlasMarketplace and we know this because they've done research and studies and their stats on this there are more men who are not having sex there are more men who are single actually Eric can you pull up there's we don't have to pull up

Brian Atlasthe infographic but I think it's something like 60 percent of women between the ages of 18 to 29 view themselves as in relationships and

Brian Atlasit's something like 20 or 30 percent of men in that same age demographic are in relationships so what's happening there either that means that the women are dating older men or what's more realistic to me is

Brian Atlasyou have women who are basically sharing the top tier of men so you have women a dude who will be dating Seven Chicks huh or women are dating each other yeah

Brian Atlaswell there's more gay men than there are lesbian women where's the sun on that cowboy I'm I'm pretty sure there's more gay men than there are I don't know this by What statistic by what measure I'm pretty

Leah (Beret Girl)sure that's I I don't have the data in front of me but I'm pretty sure because I'm pretty sure that there are more bisexual women than anyone else no but I'm talking women is what I'm saying that they are

TTS/Donationsbisexual is different than lesbians but they would be dating another woman donated 100 young women think mistakes are not respected anywhere we fly them to have

TTS/Donationsfun because they're that easy I wonder if they are proud of their body counts renting themselves and would they say what they do to people with pride

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